So the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?

Apparently this thread is full of technical experts and programming wizards. Start listing the game's you've made. Know how we will know which system is more powerful? By waiting until the end of the generation and then comparing the games.

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="sethman410"]Yup PS3 is far more powerful.sethman410

When you look at games made only on PS3 vs games only made on 360 the PS3 games have greater detail, things going on at once on the screen, and better textures than the ones on the 360.

[QUOTE="sethman410"][QUOTE="XanderZane"] Sony must have you brainwashed. lol!! Sorry, but the reality of it is they are both equally powerful. Most developers who has worked on both will tell you this. vaderhater

If PS3 was truly more powerful than the 360, most of the multiplats would be on par with the 360 (or some even better than 360). Plus they wouldn't have to keep suffering from many problems like Screen Tearing & Framerate Drops.

So your saying unified ran that's slower is more powerful than faster split ram? Uhh no, it's only easier to develop for PS3 GPU < 360 GPU slighty. PS3 CPU >>>>> 360 CPU ans more than makes up for the GPU. People who say that multiplats look better on the 360 and that it's therefore more powerful don't realize that devs generally develop in the 360 and then port it to the PS3 without optimmizing it.

Twig978

Even if games were the leading platform for PS3, or if games were ported from PS3 to 360, they'll still come out running & looking better on 360.

When you look at games made only on PS3 vs games only made on 360 the PS3 games have greater detail, things going on at once on the screen, and better textures than the ones on the 360.

patriots7672

This is why MGS4 won best graphics of 2008. I'm sure Uncharted 2 will win it for 2009, and GT 5 or God of War 3 will win it for 2010.

Yes, far more powerful in CPU power and a little more in GPU power.djsifer01

This is why MGS4 won best graphics of 2008. I'm sure Uncharted 2 will win it for 2009, and GT 5 or God of War 3 will win it for 2010.

patriots7672

If PS3 was truly more powerful than the 360, most of the multiplats would be on par with the 360 (or some even better than 360). Plus they wouldn't have to keep suffering from many problems like Screen Tearing & Framerate Drops.

garland51

Are you sure it's a problem with how much power the PS3 has and not something to do with the architecture of the PS3. Because that's what devs have been saying all along has been the problem with making multi-plats identical on each system. For about 9 months now they've been making them equal and thus each version has been getting the same review scores. Games made only on PS3 look really great to astonishing like MGS 4, GT 5, and Uncharted 1 & 2.

I currently rented Uncharted 1 again for the 2nd time, it looks REALLY good for a 2007 game and its so well written, plus I wanted to refresh my memory before Uncharted 2 comes out.

the difference is negligible. They are virtually equal.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

If PS3 was truly more powerful than the 360, most of the multiplats would be on par with the 360 (or some even better than 360). Plus they wouldn't have to keep suffering from many problems like Screen Tearing & Framerate Drops.

patriots7672

Are you sure it's a problem with how much power the PS3 has and not something to do with the architecture of the PS3. Because that's what devs have been saying all along has been the problem with making multi-plats identical on each system. For about 9 months now they've been making them equal and thus each version has been getting the same review scores. Games made only on PS3 look really great to astonishing like MGS 4, GT 5, and Uncharted 1 & 2.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"] Nope you guys are brainwashed, PS3 is alot more powerful than you think.sethman410

the difference is negligible. They are virtually equal.

ActicEdge

Not true! Graphical power to show off calculating power with the ps3 would require greater memory and a greater GPU. Without it all the PS3 can do is more onscreen at once, more players at once like MAGs 256 players and R2s 68 players. Some have figured out tactics to programming on the PS3 that enhance the GPU through the processing power and Bluray drive and that's why MGS 4, Uncharted, GT 5, God of War 3, Killzone 2 etc have had graphical exceptionalisms compared to other games and multi-plats.

I also believe, if given the chance, that the PS3 exclusive games would look better on the 360 in less development time & money. It took Sony what, 4-5 years & $60 million for Killzone 2?

Combining the CELL and the 7 SPEs and the GPU of the PS3 it does 51 billion dot operations per second. The 360 with its 3 processors and GPU does 33.6 dot operations per second.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

Console specifications are a lot like statistics in that you can really change perceptions by paying special attention in selecting what you measure and how you go about measuring it. Microsoft may have been the first manufacturer to announce its next-generation console, but in order to gain that advantage Microsoft also had to reveal its console specs first--giving a fat target-list for Sony's marketing team. Do you really think that Sony would have even mentioned the 51-billion-dot-product-operations per second number during the PS3 press conference if Microsoft hadn't boasted that the Xbox 360 could do 9-billion-dot-product-operations per second? What if we told you that Sony combined the CPU and GPU performance numbers to come up with the 51-billion number while Microsoft only reported its CPU performance number? The Xbox 360 actually has 33.6-billion-dot-product-operations per second if you also include GPU performance.

We're not saying to ignore specifications altogether--most of them are relevant in some way or another. And we're going to talk about the specifications that really jumped out at us at first glance. Let's start with the processor. Sony has announced that the PlayStation 3 will have a 3.2GHz Cell processor that consists of a PowerPC-based core with seven synergistic processing units. The PS3 spec-sheet says that there's an eighth SPE reserved for redundancy--whatever that means. The Xbox 360, in comparison, has a multicore PowerPC processor that has three dual-threaded cores that can handle six total threads at a time. You might be able to call the Cell's SPEs overgrown math units, but we think Sony's Cell processor wins from a brute power perspective.

Combining the CELL and the 7 SPEs and the GPU of the PS3 it does 51 billion dot operations per second. The 360 with its 3 processors and GPU does 33.6 dot operations per second.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

Console specifications are a lot like statistics in that you can really change perceptions by paying special attention in selecting what you measure and how you go about measuring it. Microsoft may have been the first manufacturer to announce its next-generation console, but in order to gain that advantage Microsoft also had to reveal its console specs first--giving a fat target-list for Sony's marketing team. Do you really think that Sony would have even mentioned the 51-billion-dot-product-operations per second number during the PS3 press conference if Microsoft hadn't boasted that the Xbox 360 could do 9-billion-dot-product-operations per second? What if we told you that Sony combined the CPU and GPU performance numbers to come up with the 51-billion number while Microsoft only reported its CPU performance number? The Xbox 360 actually has 33.6-billion-dot-product-operations per second if you also include GPU performance.

We're not saying to ignore specifications altogether--most of them are relevant in some way or another. And we're going to talk about the specifications that really jumped out at us at first glance. Let's start with the processor. Sony has announced that the PlayStation 3 will have a 3.2GHz Cell processor that consists of a PowerPC-based core with seven synergistic processing units. The PS3 spec-sheet says that there's an eighth SPE reserved for redundancy--whatever that means. The Xbox 360, in comparison, has a multicore PowerPC processor that has three dual-threaded cores that can handle six total threads at a time. You might be able to call the Cell's SPEs overgrown math units, but we think Sony's Cell processor wins from a brute power perspective.

patriots7672

Combining the CELL and the 7 SPEs and the GPU of the PS3 it does 51 billion dot operations per second. The 360 with its 3 processors and GPU does 33.6 dot operations per second.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6125087/index.html?type=tech

Console specifications are a lot like statistics in that you can really change perceptions by paying special attention in selecting what you measure and how you go about measuring it. Microsoft may have been the first manufacturer to announce its next-generation console, but in order to gain that advantage Microsoft also had to reveal its console specs first--giving a fat target-list for Sony's marketing team. Do you really think that Sony would have even mentioned the 51-billion-dot-product-operations per second number during the PS3 press conference if Microsoft hadn't boasted that the Xbox 360 could do 9-billion-dot-product-operations per second? What if we told you that Sony combined the CPU and GPU performance numbers to come up with the 51-billion number while Microsoft only reported its CPU performance number? The Xbox 360 actually has 33.6-billion-dot-product-operations per second if you also include GPU performance.

We're not saying to ignore specifications altogether--most of them are relevant in some way or another. And we're going to talk about the specifications that really jumped out at us at first glance. Let's start with the processor. Sony has announced that the PlayStation 3 will have a 3.2GHz Cell processor that consists of a PowerPC-based core with seven synergistic processing units. The PS3 spec-sheet says that there's an eighth SPE reserved for redundancy--whatever that means. The Xbox 360, in comparison, has a multicore PowerPC processor that has three dual-threaded cores that can handle six total threads at a time. You might be able to call the Cell's SPEs overgrown math units, but we think Sony's Cell processor wins from a brute power perspective.

patriots7672

NO crysis 2 and RAGE are the best looking console games and they run better on the 360Nisim19

They cant even fit rage onto one Xbox disc. In an interview with game informer, ID software said that they are having a difficult time bringing the game to the Xbox 360 due to the lack of processing power and disc space.

PS3 yes indeed has a far better processor but i still dont get why people dont understand that what it matters most when comes to gaming is the GPU. 360 has a more powerfull GPU due to unified shader architecture as opposed to pixel and vertex shaders in ps3. Both systems are pretty much equal performance wise 360 has a slightly more powerfull gpu which matters more in gaming but ps3 has a more powerfull cpu( but which is also more difficult to program for) adamosmaki

Exactly! The architecture of the PS3 is to blame for the first 2 year's multiplats being sketchy on the PS3 versions and also because some multi-plats were made for 360 first and later made for PS3. For about the last 9-11 months multiplats have been equal and score equally in reviews. Games made specifically for PS3 are great because the dev focuses all it's time and attention to learning how to make it for the PS3.

It's simple PS3 a advantage in overall processing power.

The 360 a slightadvantage in Graphics processing power.

Some devs have found ways to use the processing power and Bluray drive like as in Uncharted to enhance the graphics and visual effects to very high levels.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

the difference is negligible. They are virtually equal.

patriots7672

Not true! Graphical power to show off calculating power with the ps3 would require greater memory and a greater GPU. Without it all the PS3 can do is more onscreen at once, more players at once like MAGs 256 players and R2s 68 players. Some have figured out tactics to programming on the PS3 that enhance the GPU through the processing power and Bluray drive and that's why MGS 4, Uncharted, GT 5, God of War 3, Killzone 2 etc have had graphical exceptionalisms compared to other games and multi-plats.

I'm not arguing with you on the BS specs. Please. they are virtually equal in terms of power, the developers say so and the quality of the games say so.

ps3 was a rushed console, the were gonna have 2 cell processors one for graphics one for doing central processing. but it turned out cell wasnt as good for graphics as anticipated thus they ran to nvidia and used the best chip nvidia had at the time. Microsoft's console went through much better planning. it's overall the better gaming machine john carmack has stated that many times.doubleblahzors2

Then explain all the hardware failures like HDD failure, discdrive failures, RRoD etc at an alarming rate of over half of all 360 bought as stated in the latest issue of Game Informer.

[QUOTE="doubleblahzors2"]ps3 was a rushed console, the were gonna have 2 cell processors one for graphics one for doing central processing. but it turned out cell wasnt as good for graphics as anticipated thus they ran to nvidia and used the best chip nvidia had at the time. Microsoft's console went through much better planning. it's overall the better gaming machine john carmack has stated that many times.patriots7672

Then explain all the hardware failures like HDD failure, discdrive failures, RRoD etc at an alarming rate of over half of all 360 bought as stated in the latest issue of Game Informer.

[QUOTE="doubleblahzors2"]ps3 was a rushed console, the were gonna have 2 cell processors one for graphics one for doing central processing. but it turned out cell wasnt as good for graphics as anticipated thus they ran to nvidia and used the best chip nvidia had at the time. Microsoft's console went through much better planning. it's overall the better gaming machine john carmack has stated that many times.patriots7672

Then explain all the hardware failures like HDD failure, discdrive failures, RRoD etc at an alarming rate of over half of all 360 bought as stated in the latest issue of Game Informer.

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

[QUOTE="doubleblahzors2"]ps3 was a rushed console, the were gonna have 2 cell processors one for graphics one for doing central processing. but it turned out cell wasnt as good for graphics as anticipated thus they ran to nvidia and used the best chip nvidia had at the time. Microsoft's console went through much better planning. it's overall the better gaming machine john carmack has stated that many times.doubleblahzors2

Then explain all the hardware failures like HDD failure, discdrive failures, RRoD etc at an alarming rate of over half of all 360 bought as stated in the latest issue of Game Informer.

And this caused the HDD failure in my 360 and my brother in laws? What about his discdrive faiure where the discs scratched and the drive got stuck and wouldn't open? There's a list of 16 common failures of the 360 and most have nothing to do with overheating.

[QUOTE="doubleblahzors2"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Then explain all the hardware failures like HDD failure, discdrive failures, RRoD etc at an alarming rate of over half of all 360 bought as stated in the latest issue of Game Informer.

patriots7672

And this caused the HDD failure in my 360 and my brother in laws? What about his discdrive faiure where the discs scratched and the drive got stuck and wouldn't open? There's a list of 16 common failures of the 360 and most have nothing to do with overheating.

It's more problems than just overheating and heatsinks. If it were that simple it wouldn't have taken them 4 years to solve it.

The Xbox 360video game console is subject to a number of technical problems that can render it unusable. Many of the issues can be identified by a series of red lights flashing on the face of the console; the three flashing red lights (nicknamed the "Red Ring of Death"[1]) being the most infamous. There are other issues that arise with the console, such as discs becoming scratched in the drive and "bricking" of consoles due to dashboard updates. Since its release on November 22, 2005, many articles have appeared in the media portraying the Xbox 360's relatively high failure rates,[2][3][4] , some estimates indicate a failure rate of over 54%[5]. There has been legal action taken attempting to hold Microsoft responsible for the failure rate among the Xbox 360 and provide reasonable compensation for those affected.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

It's more problems than just overheating and heatsinks. If it were that simple it wouldn't have taken them 4 years to solve it.

The Xbox 360 video game console is subject to a number of technical problems that can render it unusable. Many of the issues can be identified by a series of red lights flashing on the face of the console; the three flashing red lights (nicknamed the "Red Ring of Death"[1]) being the most infamous. There are other issues that arise with the console, such as discs becoming scratched in the drive and "bricking" of consoles due to dashboard updates. Since its release on November 22, 2005, many articles have appeared in the media portraying the Xbox 360's relatively high failure rates,[2][3][4] , some estimates indicate a failure rate of over 54%[5]. There has been legal action taken attempting to hold Microsoft responsible for the failure rate among the Xbox 360 and provide reasonable compensation for those affected.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

patriots7672

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

[QUOTE="doubleblahzors2"] They didnt use good enough heatsinks/enough fans to keep xbox360's cpu/gpu cool enough.doubleblahzors2

And this caused the HDD failure in my 360 and my brother in laws? What about his discdrive faiure where the discs scratched and the drive got stuck and wouldn't open? There's a list of 16 common failures of the 360 and most have nothing to do with overheating.

MS HDDs are theirs. You can't buy any other ones as they're shaped only to fit the 360. And the HDDs fail from the 360s poor design of communication and accessing the HDD in improper fashion, mishandling of file allocations in the HDD and keeping the clusters in good working fashion as things are written to and erased from the HDD etc. I think 15% of HDDs failing on 360s in the first 4 years is a sign of poor quality with the 360 itself along with all the other failures associated with it. Discdrives of the 360 scratch discs and get jammed in the console and wont come out.

Well I guess one thing is true...Hatred is more powerful than both of them combined. It makes people blindly spew out BS facts and % claims.

The problem is MS was a Software company and most all the parts of the origional Xbox were made by other companies and then assembled by MS and is why it didn't have failure problems. With the 360 they took on the design of the whole system so they could make more profits and control all the hardware used with it ie.. HDDs, controllers, themes HD movie add-on, WiFi add on, rechargable battery packs for controllers etc. Well they didn't pull it off and Sony and Nintendo already had been making their own hardware and consoles for years so they pulled it off fine with under 8% hardware failure while MSs 360 was having hardware failures with over 54% of all 360s sold.

Well I guess one thing is true...Hatred is more powerful than both of them combined. It makes people blindly spew out BS facts and % claims

Well I guess one thing is true...Hatred is more powerful than both of them combined. It makes people blindly spew out BS facts and % claims.

vaderhater

Have you seen the latest issue of Game Informer? It show the 360 having a 54% failure rate, the PS3 a 10% failure rate, and the WII a 8% failure rate. My 360 failed twice.. a failed HDD then RRoD. I E-bayed the replacement because it was freezing every 10-15 mins. I told the kid who bought it and said he could send it in when it fails again. My brother in law has had 5 360s fail of different issues and 5 360 controllers. A guy that works at my local Game Crazy has has 7 fail, but he says he likes it too much to switch to PS3. Which I think is what most people's case is.

Hatred for a company that knowlingly released this hardware out to the public knowing it would fail so they could beat theor competitors and get it out before X-mas. These are facts, like them or not!

if u put a ps3 and a 360 in a cage they would fight ps3 qould when cuase it has more hp { crash rate } does more damage { better grapiches and a faster harddrive } ok in the 1st round and i am no fan boy of the ps3 cuase i play on my freiends 360 got confuesed with the controller and all good games that the 360 has r mindless shooters halo and gears of war .yea the ps3 my have some mindless shooters. but thats all that the 360 has to offer halo and gears of war only good games i hear from my friend with the 360

[QUOTE="doubleblahzors2"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

And this caused the HDD failure in my 360 and my brother in laws? What about his discdrive faiure where the discs scratched and the drive got stuck and wouldn't open? There's a list of 16 common failures of the 360 and most have nothing to do with overheating.

patriots7672

MS HDDs are theirs. You can't buy any other ones as they're shaped only to fit the 360. And the HDDs fail from the 360s poor design of communication and accessing the HDD in improper fashion, mishandling of file allocations in the HDD and keeping the clusters in good working fashion as things are written to and erased from the HDD etc. I think 15% of HDDs failing on 360s in the first 4 years is a sign of poor quality with the 360 itself along with all the other failures associated with it. Discdrives of the 360 scratch discs and get jammed in the console and wont come out.

The PS3 is the more powerful when they build a game from the ground up using the cell architecture, right?

brandontwb

err yeah I guess, althgough when playing 360 games like Nuts and Bolts and Gears 2 it is tbh a bit hard to tell the difference. (imo Nuts and BOlts still has the best graphics this gen.) but technically yeah PS3 is more powerful, and it is said so with games like killzone 2.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

Well I guess one thing is true...Hatred is more powerful than both of them combined. It makes people blindly spew out BS facts and % claims.

patriots7672

Have you seen the latest issue of Game Informer? It show the 360 having a 54% failure rate, the PS3 a 10% failure rate, and the WII a 8% failure rate. My 360 failed twice.. a failed HDD then RRoD. I E-bayed the replacement because it was freezing every 10-15 mins. I told the kid who bought it and said he could send it in when it fails again. My brother in law has had 5 360s fail of different issues and 5 360 controllers. A guy that works at my local Game Crazy has has 7 fail, but he says he likes it too much to switch to PS3. Which I think is what most people's case is.

Hatred for a company that knowlingly released this hardware out to the public knowing it would fail so they could beat theor competitors and get it out before X-mas. These are facts, like them or not!