So, the Wii is the only system that can pull off 100% backwards compatability?

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#51 -The-G-Man-
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Carmilla31"]If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Carmilla31
Lies. I'm playing Metroid Prime 2 right now. What does PS3 have to beat that?

Final Fantasy 7 PS1 Metal Gear Solid 2 PS2 Just one off the top of my head for each system backwards compatible...

Sorry, but I think Metroid Prime is a lot better than those two.

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Hey OP! So you EXPECT total BC, but don't mind the lack of online multiplayer? To me, Online multiplayer is far more important than BC. But to each his own.
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#53 -The-G-Man-
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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Carmilla31"]If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Jandurin
Lies. I'm playing Metroid Prime 2 right now. What does PS3 have to beat that?

God of war 2? oblivion?

I don't think God of War 2 works perfectly on the PS3. Oblivion is a good argument, and as I haven't played it, I will not comment. But, I suspect it isn't as good. :P

I've played Oblivion.  I prefer Metroid Prime, but that's because I like action games for than I like RPGs.

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#54 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Gears360"]by the way nintendo stole sony idea of backward compatibility, damn robbersGears360
Please tell me you are joking

sony made it first (with PS2) then nintendo copied it , whats the joke in that? did nintendo made N64 backwards compatible with Snes??? nope, they saw sony's idea and copied it

Man are you clueless. Do a 'little' research before saying something that exposes you so ignorant on the subject. Start with Atari and work your way up from there. And don't skip the handhelds. Then tell me who copied who.
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#55 mushroomscout89
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[QUOTE="mushroomscout89"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]97% backwards compatability isn't back if you ask me. You've still got thousands of PS2 games to playGears360
In a crappy, disgusting looking emulated version too!

just like the crappy disgusting emulated virtual console game huh?

You miss the point. The ps3 runs ps2 games on an emulation program, but the program sucks and it has a horrible effect on the ps2 and one games. It basically makes everything look, really really bad. So far all VC games look great though.
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#56 Gears360
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[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Gears360"]by the way nintendo stole sony idea of backward compatibility, damn robbersflazzle
Please tell me you are joking

sony made it first (with PS2) then nintendo copied it , whats the joke in that? did nintendo made N64 backwards compatible with Snes??? nope, they saw sony's idea and copied it

Man are you clueless. Do a 'little' research before saying something that exposes you so ignorant on the subject. Start with Atari and work your way up from there. And don't skip the handhelds. Then tell me who copied who.

atari, then master system converter, then what????? BC was dead , sony revived it and then nintendo copied game boy and game boy color are the same console, just like gamecube and wii, see how nintendo loves to reuse hardware and sell it to you again
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#57 Gears360
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actually , there was a Nes to Snes converter (saw it on a gamepro magazine years ago) but it was from a third party, cause nintendo never cared about BC
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#58 Gears360
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[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="mushroomscout89"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]97% backwards compatability isn't back if you ask me. You've still got thousands of PS2 games to playmushroomscout89
In a crappy, disgusting looking emulated version too!

just like the crappy disgusting emulated virtual console game huh?

You miss the point. The ps3 runs ps2 games on an emulation program, but the program sucks and it has a horrible effect on the ps2 and one games. It basically makes everything look, really really bad. So far all VC games look great though.

i heard that PS3 has the emotion engine inside, so maybe its not running on emulation??? (like PS2 slim does, it doesnt have the ps1 chipset) although the new PAL PS3 will run in emulation i heard and the bad graphics on ps2 game was fixed
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actually , there was a Nes to Snes converter (saw it on a gamepro magazine years ago) but it was from a third party, cause nintendo never cared about BCGears360
... That was years ago. You're point is irrelevant.
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#60 iwo4life
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Since the GC and the Wii are almost the same hardware it only makes sense.  It is the same thing as putting a faster processor and videocard in your pc.  Games just don't stop working when you do that.  That is in essence what Nintendo has done with the Wii.  PS3 and the 360 are completely different architecture from the last console generation.  It would be like switching from a x86 Windows PC to a PPC Mac and expecting all your old programs to work.
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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Jandurin
Lies. I'm playing Metroid Prime 2 right now. What does PS3 have to beat that?

 

God of War..............Gow of War 2.............etc........

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Carmilla31"]If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Ericvon71

Lies. I'm playing Metroid Prime 2 right now. What does PS3 have to beat that?

 

God of War..............Gow of War 2.............etc........

They work perfectly on the PS3? And, I do mean all PS3s.
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#63 -The-G-Man-
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actually , there was a Nes to Snes converter (saw it on a gamepro magazine years ago) but it was from a third party, cause nintendo never cared about BCGears360

Never cared?  All the Gameboys were backwards-compatible.

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#64 Screamteam411
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I agree wholeheartedly. Nintendo has had backwards compatibility for their game boy systems, and none of them were "97%." Nintendo took the time to make sure the old hardware was still in there so it wouldn't have to "emulate" games. While it may not make MS or Sony look "bad," it certainly makes Nintendo look better, there's no arguing that. Plus, how sad is it that MS and Sony can't manage to emulate their old games 100% of the time? I mean, they MADE the old systems...
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It should, being a Gamecube with a new controller.
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#66 darcom1
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this is because its a GAMECUBE whit a fancy control
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If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Carmilla31
True.
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Because Nintendo doesn't screw it's fanbase over on a yearly basis. Sony and MS both do something stupid at least once a year. Ninty just sits in the back doing whatever they need to.
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Technically the PC has 100% backwards compatibility too, so the Wii would be one of two systems.Jandurin
What about DOS games?

With enough proverbial arm twisting you can generally convince them to run.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Technically the PC has 100% backwards compatibility too, so the Wii would be one of two systems.Tylendal
What about DOS games?

With enough proverbial arm twisting you can generally convince them to run.

I know. But sometimes that arm twisting results in fist through monitor syndrome.
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#71 flazzle
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Because Nintendo doesn't screw it's fanbase over on a yearly basis. Sony and MS both do something stupid at least once a year. Ninty just sits in the back doing whatever they need to.fatzombiepigeon
I call sticking with Cartridge and not to disc stupid (N64). I call going with its own smaller format for a disc and not something larger like a dvd stupid (GC). I call not building true momentum and not much of a plan (with slow release of hit games) and not leveraging major characters stupid (GC). Nintendo is not flawless
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#72 nytrospawn
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Technically the PC has 100% backwards compatibility too, so the Wii would be one of two systems.Danm_999
Well, compatibility is all up to the publishers , so trying to figure the percentage of compatible games for PC's is sort of unreliable.
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[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]Because Nintendo doesn't screw it's fanbase over on a yearly basis. Sony and MS both do something stupid at least once a year. Ninty just sits in the back doing whatever they need to.flazzle
I call sticking with Cartridge and not to disc stupid (N64). I call going with its own smaller format for a disc and not something larger like a dvd stupid (GC). I call not building true momentum and not much of a plan (with slow release of hit games) and not leveraging major characters stupid (GC). Nintendo is not flawless

Let's not forget their online strategy, or lack thereof. And for a console that tries to appeal to casuals, what's with that 'wifi only' idea? Granny doesn't roll with wireless routers.
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Technically the PC has 100% backwards compatibility too, so the Wii would be one of two systems.Jandurin
What about DOS games?

With enough proverbial arm twisting you can generally convince them to run.

I know. But sometimes that arm twisting results in fist through monitor syndrome.

:lol: I just took the easy way out, and fixed my old Windows 95.
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[QUOTE="flazzle"]In fairness Wii is built directly off of the GC architecture, so as to have the advantage of GC developers to easily transition to Wii development. Nintendo did this to keep down development costs and be more attractive to 3rd party. Wii isn't exactly leaps and bounds above GC, like PS3 and 360 are compared to their predecessors. The past xbox library was much smaller audience, so i dont really blame MS for not spending forever getting it 100%. Sony on the other hand looks more like a rush job. While most people have a PS2 that are buying PS3, i can see the argument its not as important, but dang, the PS3 is so freakn huge Id have to have both hooked up. And actually, I had Star Wars II and baten kaitos freeze on me in Wii. Its happened a few times and they never crashed on my GC. Its not constant, but enough for me to want to save more often. If Wii could have PS3 graphics and sacrafice backwards compatability with GC, I'd be all for it.

This is the best post in the thread. Because Wii is built off of GC architecture, it's playing GC games rather than emulating them. On the other hand, it still sports a new chip, so the trillion posts on SW accusing the Wii's hardware of being "outdated" are inaccurate; it may be weak relative to the other consoles, but it isn't old.
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[QUOTE="Screamteam411"]I agree wholeheartedly. Nintendo has had backwards compatibility for their game boy systems, and none of them were "97%." Nintendo took the time to make sure the old hardware was still in there so it wouldn't have to "emulate" games. While it may not make MS or Sony look "bad," it certainly makes Nintendo look better, there's no arguing that. Plus, how sad is it that MS and Sony can't manage to emulate their old games 100% of the time? I mean, they MADE the old systems...

Do you even know what backwards compatibility is? The only thing the Wii is backwards compatible with are the Gamecube games. The Virtual Console is not a form of backwards compatibility. Backwards compatible means that you can use your old cartridges/DVD/CD etc and stick them onto the current system... purchasing a PORT is NOT backwards compatibility
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The worst part is that both MS and Sony don't really care much about making sure 100% of the games will work eventually. Sony went as far as to say that once consumers play PS3 games they won't even want to play old PS2 games! talk about screwing over your fanbase...
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The worst part is that both MS and Sony don't really care much about making sure 100% of the games will work eventually. Sony went as far as to say that once consumers play PS3 games they won't even want to play old PS2 games! talk about screwing over your fanbase...VideoGameGuy
Well it's not like Nintendo's letting you play every single game available for NES/SNES/N64, they only release games onto the VC that WORK. So of course they will look like they have 100% of their games working!
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I just find it rather.... dissapointing how the 360 and PS3 are the only consoles this gen that can't play all of their predecessor's past games.  The 360 only plays SELECT games, the PS3 only plays about 97% of all PS2 and PS1 games, and, yet, the Wii plays every single one of your Gamecube games.

 Isn't it rather funny how lemmings and cows constantly say that the Wii's hardware is inferior, when their consoles can't even play old Xbox games or PS2 games?

 I mean, seriously, people, backwards compatability is EXPECTED nowadays.  And it seems that since Microsoft and Sony are putting the blame for a lack of true backwards compatability on their new hardware, the Wii, due to its rather old software, is still beating Microsoft and Sony in an area that no Nintendo console has ever featured.

 Well, so much for "Amazing hardware"... Sony and Microsoft can't even manage to emulate all thier previous successes on to thier system. :(

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I guess it is the only console with 100% backward Combatibility.

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#80 Willy105
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]The worst part is that both MS and Sony don't really care much about making sure 100% of the games will work eventually. Sony went as far as to say that once consumers play PS3 games they won't even want to play old PS2 games! talk about screwing over your fanbase...mahjustin
Well it's not like Nintendo's letting you play every single game available for NES/SNES/N64, they only release games onto the VC that WORK. So of course they will look like they have 100% of their games working!

Well, they need to license their games first. It's not that the games won't work. It's that you can't just put any old ROM on Virtual Console for people to buy. They need permission from their creators to sell them.

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[QUOTE="Gears360"]by the way nintendo stole sony idea of backward compatibility, damn robbersflazzle
Please tell me you are joking

I think you will find that backward compatibility is something Nintendo have wanted to do for years, but its a bit difficult when half your machines have cartridges (which dont get enough credit in my opinion). The gameboy player add on was a step in the right direction though.

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yeah its pretty pathetic, this bloody emulator we euros have on the ps3 is absolute crap, gta vice city runs like crap and its all blurry with jags and it's says on the damn site it runs PERFECTLY, god damn... I'd expect more from so called NEXT GEN, this is the future god damnit and a simple game runs like turd.
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[QUOTE="mahjustin"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]The worst part is that both MS and Sony don't really care much about making sure 100% of the games will work eventually. Sony went as far as to say that once consumers play PS3 games they won't even want to play old PS2 games! talk about screwing over your fanbase...Willy105

Well it's not like Nintendo's letting you play every single game available for NES/SNES/N64, they only release games onto the VC that WORK. So of course they will look like they have 100% of their games working!

Well, they need to license their games first. It's not that the games won't work. It's that you can't just put any old ROM on Virtual Console for people to buy. They need permission from their creators to sell them.

fair enough, but that doesn't prove that the Wii is 100% backwards compatible. Like I said above, the Virtual Console is not the same as backwards compatibility. You're basically purchasing a port. True backwards compatibility would allow me to take all my old games and play them on the current system. Eg. I can take PS1 and PS2 CDs/DVDs to play on the PS3, or XBOX DVDs to play on the XBOX360. But I cannot use cartridges to play all the old NES/SNES/N64/etc games. So how is that backwards compatibility???
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[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]Because Nintendo doesn't screw it's fanbase over on a yearly basis. Sony and MS both do something stupid at least once a year. Ninty just sits in the back doing whatever they need to.donalbane

 I call sticking with Cartridge and not to disc stupid (N64).

 I call going with its own smaller format for a disc and not something larger like a dvd stupid (GC).

 I call not building true momentum and not much of a plan (with slow release of hit games) and not leveraging major characters stupid (GC).

Nintendo is not flawless

Let's not forget their online strategy, or lack thereof. And for a console that tries to appeal to casuals, what's with that 'wifi only' idea? Granny doesn't roll with wireless routers.

Granny won't be using the wireless features, she'll be playing Wii Sports, Big Brain Academy and Wii Music.

Besides, those things nintendo did helped them a lot.

It would be impossible to play Zelda 64 with a loading screen every few minutes.

It would be horrible playing Smash Bros. on DVD, thanks to 20 second load times. Gamecube disk load in only 3 seconds.

Actually keeping hit games at bay makes the games better. "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever" -Shigeru Miyamoto

They are not flawless, but they do think ahead.

 

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[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="mahjustin"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]The worst part is that both MS and Sony don't really care much about making sure 100% of the games will work eventually. Sony went as far as to say that once consumers play PS3 games they won't even want to play old PS2 games! talk about screwing over your fanbase...mahjustin

Well it's not like Nintendo's letting you play every single game available for NES/SNES/N64, they only release games onto the VC that WORK. So of course they will look like they have 100% of their games working!

Well, they need to license their games first. It's not that the games won't work. It's that you can't just put any old ROM on Virtual Console for people to buy. They need permission from their creators to sell them.

fair enough, but that doesn't prove that the Wii is 100% backwards compatible. Like I said above, the Virtual Console is not the same as backwards compatibility. You're basically purchasing a port. True backwards compatibility would allow me to take all my old games and play them on the current system. Eg. I can take PS1 and PS2 CDs/DVDs to play on the PS3, or XBOX DVDs to play on the XBOX360. But I cannot use cartridges to play all the old NES/SNES/N64/etc games. So how is that backwards compatibility???

Playing an old game on a new system is the definition of backwards compatibility. Doesn't matter what format they are on.

Any way you put it is backwards compatibility. It does suck that you can't play the original versions of your old cartrigate games, but at least you can still PLAY them.

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#86 Willy105
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yeah its pretty pathetic, this bloody emulator we euros have on the ps3 is absolute crap, gta vice city runs like crap and its all blurry with jags and it's says on the damn site it runs PERFECTLY, god damn... I'd expect more from so called NEXT GEN, this is the future god damnit and a simple game runs like turd.UndyingVayne

Be nice.

At least it's still playable.

 

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[QUOTE="Carmilla31"]If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Rhubarb9
True.

 and don't forget about all the PSone games........If I could find the orginal Warhawk or the first Colony Wars, its nice know that they would work on my PS3(US)..........

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[QUOTE="UndyingVayne"]yeah its pretty pathetic, this bloody emulator we euros have on the ps3 is absolute crap, gta vice city runs like crap and its all blurry with jags and it's says on the damn site it runs PERFECTLY, god damn... I'd expect more from so called NEXT GEN, this is the future god damnit and a simple game runs like turd.Willy105

Be nice.

At least it's still playable.

 

For over $800 US, it had better be more than just "playable". 

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#89 purplemidgets
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I guarantee that the Wii isn't 100% b/c.

 

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#90 Tristam22
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I guarantee that the Wii isn't 100% b/c.

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Uh, it is with the GameCube.
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#91 Lazy_Boy88
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What a ridiculous statement. Of course the Wii is best at backwards compatibility, it is directly using Gamecube architechture. Which is extremely bad since there's hardly anything on GC and using 6 year old hardware limits it terribly. They could've used low end new architechture, gotten near 360/PS3 visuals, and still sold it for $250. Instead everybody is paying more than a Gamecube cost at launch 6 years ago for the same damned hardware and a motion controller.
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#92 manicfoot
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[QUOTE="Rhubarb9"][QUOTE="Carmilla31"]If the PS3 was 50% backwards it would still have more good games then the Wii at 100%.Afrikanxl

True.

 and don't forget about all the PSone games........If I could find the orginal Warhawk or the first Colony Wars, its nice know that they would work on my PS3(US)..........


I have both of those games :P heh
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#93 flazzle
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...They could've used low end new architechture, gotten near 360/PS3 visuals, and still sold it for $250...Lazy_Boy88
They could have? Please explain.
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#94 Tristam22
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What a ridiculous statement. Of course the Wii is best at backwards compatibility, it is directly using Gamecube architechture. Which is extremely bad since there's hardly anything on GC and using 6 year old hardware limits it terribly. They could've used low end new architechture, gotten near 360/PS3 visuals, and still sold it for $250. Instead everybody is paying more than a Gamecube cost at launch 6 years ago for the same damned hardware and a motion controller.Lazy_Boy88
You realize that a big reason XBox games looked better than Cube games was the extra RAM, right? Wii has more RAM than Cube or XBox.
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#95 purplemidgets
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Uh, it is with the GameCube.Tristam22

 

Not even the PS2 was 100% b/c. The Wii may have a high % for it's b/c, but I highly doubt it's 100 

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#96 haris12121212
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Well I've read somewhere it's because the technology used in Xbox360/PS3 is very different compared to the last generations of consoles... As for Wii it has more of a technology thats similar to the GC... anyways I don't really care that much, my Ps2 works fine, and even if it didn't work the Ps3 is bound to play FF and KH games.
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#97 Samurai_Xavier
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]by the way nintendo stole sony idea of backward compatibility, damn robbersflazzle
Please tell me you are joking

LOL. GameBoy Color. 

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#98 flazzle
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[QUOTE="flazzle"][QUOTE="Gears360"]by the way nintendo stole sony idea of backward compatibility, damn robbersSamurai_Xavier

Please tell me you are joking

LOL. GameBoy Color. 

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#99 beinss
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agreed. the Wii is the only one with True backwards compatability, not only "best sellers" not everyone liked God of War Sony. What about the lesser known games that were gems? I guess they will stayed buried forever.
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#100 juanfraino
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Technically the PC has 100% backwards compatibility too, so the Wii would be one of two systems.Danm_999
Nah, some older games don't run well on xp, let a lone vista.