So there have been 13 pokemon games in 15 years...

Lol your average CoD has what?  5-7 maps in total?  Playing the same maps thousands of times over hardly amounts to more content.  But yeah, let's not forget overpriced DLC map packs..  That's totally not milking right?   Mindlessly grinding your prestige levels just so you can put your clan logo on the back of your gun?  Whoopied frikkin doo.  So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

Crossel777

No one is arguing that COD is not milked, get that straight.

I don't know if this was accidental or deliberate but everything you just said applies to pokemon.

The entirety of the game can be summed up as mindlessly grinding your way to the end.

So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

Jeez Rockman, at least attempt to pretend you know what you're talking aboutBlabadon

That's just the main line. Count the Mystery Dungeon, console and other handheld spin-offs and watch the number explode. Nintendo are the kings are milking period and no one will EVER come close unless Nintendo goes out of business..FlamesOfGrey

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]That's just the main line. Count the Mystery Dungeon, console and other handheld spin-offs and watch the number explode. Nintendo are the kings are milking period and no one will EVER come close unless Nintendo goes out of business..hiphops_savior

They should be. 

Yup, no doubt it's one of the most milked franchises in gaming. Can't wait for X/Y.

I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/BlueBPoole96

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]That's just the main line. Count the Mystery Dungeon, console and other handheld spin-offs and watch the number explode. Nintendo are the kings are milking period and no one will EVER come close unless Nintendo goes out of business..hiphops_savior

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

GD1551

People [on here] use the term milk/milking in such a negative light so often that they do not want the negativity from the word to be associated with the games they like. That's probably why the double standard exists. Contrary to the popular opinion here, milking does not automatically equal bad, immoral, or wrong. A game can release often and still be good. It's usually only bad when the fans start seeing a decline of some kind in a game series that may lead to its quick end (e.g., the late Guitar Hero). Someone shouldn't avoid playing a good game just because they feel the series releases games too often for that individual.

-

If you think Nintendo is bad with milking, check out Ubisoft and company:

• Imagine My Restaurant (2009)
• Imagine Fashion Party (January 20, 2009)
• Imagine: Cheerleader (February 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Ice Champions (March 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Family Doctor (March 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Makeup Artist (May 12, 2009)
• Imagine Music Fest (May 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Boutique Owner (June 2, 2009)
• Imagine Soccer Captain (August 11, 2009)
• Imagine Teacher: Class Trip (August 25, 2009)
• Imagine Detective (September 8, 2009)
• Imagine Party Planner (September 24, 2009)
• Imagine Salon Stylist (September 29, 2009) (known as Imagine Beauty Stylist in Europe)
• Imagine Reporter (September 30, 2009) (known as Imagine Journalist in Europe)
• Imagine Zookeeper (October 6, 2009)
• Imagine Artist (October 13, 2009)
• Imagine Fashion Designer World Tour (October 20, 2009)
• Imagine Babyz Fashion (November 3, 2009)
• Imagine Resort Owner (2009) (known as Imagine Dream Resort in Europe)

All in one year.

I'm so glad someone is calling out Pokemon, it's about time really, tired of that game series getting a free pass, and what's with all the damn remakes?

I don't disagree that Nintendo milks their franchises, but what I give them credit for is that at least when you buy a Nintendo game you're getting a complete product.

Other companies actually plan DLC from the earliest stage of development for a game, so you end up buying a game for $60, and then if you want to complete the game you can only do so with an additional $20-$30 in purchases. That's just lame.

Almost anything that is highly successful will be "milked" and its not always a bad thing either.

When will SW figure this out?

Nintendo does it.  Sony does it.  Microsoft does it.  Plenty of 3rd parties do it as well.

In some cases its just milking a character or brand name.  In some cases its milking the same old gameplay over and over again.  Sometimes its fine like that.  Sometimes it gets increasingly stale and dies out.

But if people want to buy more of a product then you sell them more of a product.  WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO FIGURE OUT?

Each gen = 1 game to me. No reason to buy more than 1 version. I honestly don't care if a game gets milked, as long as it's fun.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I wish we got MOAR Pokemon!!! Bring it! X and Y will demolish the Vita.Michael0134567

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

Valiant_Rebel

People [on here] use the term milk/milking in such a negative light so often that they do not want the negativity from the word to be associated with the games they like. That's probably why the double standard exists. Contrary to the popular opinion here, milking does not automatically equal bad, immoral, or wrong. A game can release often and still be good. It's usually only bad when the fans start seeing a decline of some kind in a game series that may lead to its quick end (e.g., the late Guitar Hero). Someone shouldn't avoid playing a good game just because they feel the series releases games too often for that individual.

-

If you think Nintendo is bad with milking, check out Ubisoft and company:

• Imagine My Restaurant (2009)
• Imagine Fashion Party (January 20, 2009)
• Imagine: Cheerleader (February 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Ice Champions (March 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Family Doctor (March 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Makeup Artist (May 12, 2009)
• Imagine Music Fest (May 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Boutique Owner (June 2, 2009)
• Imagine Soccer Captain (August 11, 2009)
• Imagine Teacher: Class Trip (August 25, 2009)
• Imagine Detective (September 8, 2009)
• Imagine Party Planner (September 24, 2009)
• Imagine Salon Stylist (September 29, 2009) (known as Imagine Beauty Stylist in Europe)
• Imagine Reporter (September 30, 2009) (known as Imagine Journalist in Europe)
• Imagine Zookeeper (October 6, 2009)
• Imagine Artist (October 13, 2009)
• Imagine Fashion Designer World Tour (October 20, 2009)
• Imagine Babyz Fashion (November 3, 2009)
• Imagine Resort Owner (2009) (known as Imagine Dream Resort in Europe)

All in one year.

/thread

I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/Blue, but isn't the main premise still catching Pokemon, beating gyms, collecting badges, and beating the final four? BPoole96

[QUOTE="BPoole96"] I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/Blue, but isn't the main premise still catching Pokemon, beating gyms, collecting badges, and beating the final four? BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]I would have counted all of them individually if I did this thread bc having 2 versions each time one releases is its own form of milk age and having a "C" version just perpetuates the milking.BPoole96

And also I don't get the milking complaint. Who cares if they make a bunch of games in a series, a good game is a good game.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

Of course this is an obvious double standard.

What's worst is that you'll just see people respond with generic cop outs like "but the gameplay is good."

That same line of thought can be applied to literally every COD, Madden, Dynasty Warriors, Assassins Creed and other games that get bashed to death for being milked.

13 games in 15 years though....

That's f*cking insane!

:lol:

Rockman999

Its more like 6-8 games btw. The TC is counting both A and B releases for each game. That's like saying Nintendogs has had 6 installments when only two games are in the series.

Is that you? lmao... Man, that is one of the funniest sigs I have ever seen. props. Dude is jettin... :P

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="BPoole96"] I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/Blue, but isn't the main premise still catching Pokemon, beating gyms, collecting badges, and beating the final four? RyanShazam

[QUOTE="BPoole96"] I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/BlueBlabadon

wut does that ?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

Valiant_Rebel

People [on here] use the term milk/milking in such a negative light so often that they do not want the negativity from the word to be associated with the games they like. That's probably why the double standard exists. Contrary to the popular opinion here, milking does not automatically equal bad, immoral, or wrong. A game can release often and still be good. It's usually only bad when the fans start seeing a decline of some kind in a game series that may lead to its quick end (e.g., the late Guitar Hero). Someone shouldn't avoid playing a good game just because they feel the series releases games too often for that individual.

-

If you think Nintendo is bad with milking, check out Ubisoft and company:

• Imagine My Restaurant (2009)
• Imagine Fashion Party (January 20, 2009)
• Imagine: Cheerleader (February 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Ice Champions (March 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Family Doctor (March 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Makeup Artist (May 12, 2009)
• Imagine Music Fest (May 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Boutique Owner (June 2, 2009)
• Imagine Soccer Captain (August 11, 2009)
• Imagine Teacher: Class Trip (August 25, 2009)
• Imagine Detective (September 8, 2009)
• Imagine Party Planner (September 24, 2009)
• Imagine Salon Stylist (September 29, 2009) (known as Imagine Beauty Stylist in Europe)
• Imagine Reporter (September 30, 2009) (known as Imagine Journalist in Europe)
• Imagine Zookeeper (October 6, 2009)
• Imagine Artist (October 13, 2009)
• Imagine Fashion Designer World Tour (October 20, 2009)
• Imagine Babyz Fashion (November 3, 2009)
• Imagine Resort Owner (2009) (known as Imagine Dream Resort in Europe)

All in one year.

Yikes.. but at least ubi doesn't do this super often from what I recall, then again I don't really know what their shovelware is.

Comparing the depth of cod to that of pokemon? You've got to be joking.

but at least ubi doesn't do this super often from what I recallGD1551

[QUOTE="GD1551"]but at least ubi doesn't do this super often from what I recallBrunoBRS

Yeah but the Tom Clancy games, Farcry, Prince of Persia etc are treated much differently. Either way nothing comes on the level of mario for milk.

I'm so glad someone is calling out Pokemon, it's about time really, tired of that game series getting a free pass, and what's with all the damn remakes?

mitu123

Comparing the depth of cod to that of pokemon? You've got to be joking.

mysticstryk

Why do people keep saying Nintendo makes you buy both versions? They encourage you to buy ONE version and to trade for the other Pokemon you can't get. 

I do agree that both versions should have more than just a handful of version specific Pokemon.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

nintendoboy16

People [on here] use the term milk/milking in such a negative light so often that they do not want the negativity from the word to be associated with the games they like. That's probably why the double standard exists. Contrary to the popular opinion here, milking does not automatically equal bad, immoral, or wrong. A game can release often and still be good. It's usually only bad when the fans start seeing a decline of some kind in a game series that may lead to its quick end (e.g., the late Guitar Hero). Someone shouldn't avoid playing a good game just because they feel the series releases games too often for that individual.

-

If you think Nintendo is bad with milking, check out Ubisoft and company:

• Imagine My Restaurant (2009)
• Imagine Fashion Party (January 20, 2009)
• Imagine: Cheerleader (February 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Ice Champions (March 3, 2009)
• Imagine: Family Doctor (March 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Makeup Artist (May 12, 2009)
• Imagine Music Fest (May 26, 2009)
• Imagine: Boutique Owner (June 2, 2009)
• Imagine Soccer Captain (August 11, 2009)
• Imagine Teacher: Class Trip (August 25, 2009)
• Imagine Detective (September 8, 2009)
• Imagine Party Planner (September 24, 2009)
• Imagine Salon Stylist (September 29, 2009) (known as Imagine Beauty Stylist in Europe)
• Imagine Reporter (September 30, 2009) (known as Imagine Journalist in Europe)
• Imagine Zookeeper (October 6, 2009)
• Imagine Artist (October 13, 2009)
• Imagine Fashion Designer World Tour (October 20, 2009)
• Imagine Babyz Fashion (November 3, 2009)
• Imagine Resort Owner (2009) (known as Imagine Dream Resort in Europe)

All in one year.

/thread

Shouldn't "core" titles be compared amongst other "core" games?

Because really the only message you guys are sending with that is that Pokemon is on the same level as shovelware.

can you even imagine the outcry if anyone else made two versions of the exact same  game them put a half dozen collectibles in two different versions and marketed it as gotta collect em all?

people would be livid. over at the poke conglomerate that shyt is business as usual.

can you even imagine the outcry if anyone else made two versions of the exact same  game them put a half dozen collectibles in two different versions and marketed it as gotta collect em all?

people would be livid. over at the poke conglomerate that shyt is business as usual.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

I'm so glad someone is calling out Pokemon, it's about time really, tired of that game series getting a free pass, and what's with all the damn remakes?

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="BPoole96"] I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/Blue, but isn't the main premise still catching Pokemon, beating gyms, collecting badges, and beating the final four? BrunoBRS

Although I don't disagree with his post I do find it odd how he's bringing up shovelware as if shovelware isn't meant to be thrown out there with no regard.

Shouldn't "core" titles be compared amongst other "core" games?

Because really the only message you guys are sending with that is that Pokemon is on the same level as shovelware.

Rockman999

The idea of the thread is to talk about how frequently a game in a franchise comes out, not the quality of said games. I used that list because I think it accurately defines what milking really is, core franchise or not. I could have easily just as well used a list of Guitar Hero games, with about 4-6 games coming out each year since 2007 - 2008 up until its end, unless we decide to consider that shovelware too.

[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

Comparing the depth of cod to that of pokemon? You've got to be joking.

Crossel777

Implying that cod has very little depth.

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

GD1551

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

1.Pokemon Red

2.Pokemon Blue

3.Pokemon Yellow

4.Pokemon TCG

5.Pokemon TCG 2

6.POkemon Gold

7.Pokemon Silver

8.Pokemon Crystal

9.Pokemon Stadium

10.Pokemon Stadium 2

11.Pokemon Ruby

12.Pokemon Sapphire

13.Pokemon Emerald

14.Pokemon Snap

15.Pokemon Fire Red

16.Pokemon Leaf Green

17.Pokemon Diamond

18.Pokemon Pearl

19.Pokemon Platnium

20.Pokemon Pinball

21.Pokemon Pinball 2

22.Pokemon Heart Gold

23.Pokemon Soul Silver

24.Pokemon B&W

25.Pokemon B&W 2

26.Pokemon Ranger

27.Pokemon Ranger 2

28.Pokemon Ranger 3

29.Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red Resue Team

30.Blue Rescue Team

31.Collosium

32.XD gale of darkness

33.Battle Revolution

34.Conquest

35.Hey you pikachu

36.Puzzle LEague

37.Dash

38.pokemon Ranch

39.Pokepark

40.Pokepark 2

and this is off the top of my head and some games I heard of, I know there are more, I remember a learning DD game announced a couple years back, and a few Wii titles I haven't mentioned, and probably EVEN MORE.

Lol your average CoD has what?  5-7 maps in total?  Playing the same maps thousands of times over hardly amounts to more content.  But yeah, let's not forget overpriced DLC map packs..  That's totally not milking right?   Mindlessly grinding your prestige levels just so you can put your clan logo on the back of your gun?  Whoopied frikkin doo.  So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

Crossel777

COD has closer to 20 maps each game as well as Zombies/SpecOps and a Campaign with (gasp!) VOICE ACTING.

Call Of Duty may be milked, but at least they don't release two versions of the game at the same time.

can you even imagine the outcry if anyone else made two versions of the exact same  game them put a half dozen collectibles in two different versions and marketed it as gotta collect em all?

people would be livid. over at the poke conglomerate that shyt is business as usual.

Riverwolf007

Megaman did it.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

Eddie-Murphy48

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

1.Pokemon Red

2.Pokemon Blue

3.Pokemon Yellow

4.Pokemon TCG

5.Pokemon TCG 2

6.POkemon Gold

7.Pokemon Silver

8.Pokemon Crystal

9.Pokemon Stadium

10.Pokemon Stadium 2

11.Pokemon Ruby

12.Pokemon Sapphire

13.Pokemon Emerald

14.Pokemon Snap

15.Pokemon Fire Red

16.Pokemon Leaf Green

17.Pokemon Diamond

18.Pokemon Pearl

19.Pokemon Platnium

20.Pokemon Pinball

21.Pokemon Pinball 2

22.Pokemon Heart Gold

23.Pokemon Soul Silver

24.Pokemon B&W

25.Pokemon B&W 2

26.Pokemon Ranger

27.Pokemon Ranger 2

28.Pokemon Ranger 3

29.Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red Resue Team

30.Blue Rescue Team

31.Collosium

32.XD gale of darkness

33.Battle Revolution

34.Conquest

35.Hey you pikachu

36.Puzzle LEague

37.Dash

38.pokemon Ranch

39.Pokepark

40.Pokepark 2

and this is off the top of my head and some games I heard of, I know there are more, I remember a learning DD game announced a couple years back, and a few Wii titles I haven't mentioned, and probably EVEN MORE.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Murphy48"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why do people overlook this and complain about EA and Activision's year releases? It seems there's a humongous double standard when it comes to these practices. Anyone agree or disagree? I actually didn't realize until I saw that X/Y thread and decided to look it up, nintendo are seriously the worst when it comes to milking.

RyanShazam

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

1.Pokemon Red

2.Pokemon Blue

3.Pokemon Yellow

4.Pokemon TCG

5.Pokemon TCG 2

6.POkemon Gold

7.Pokemon Silver

8.Pokemon Crystal

9.Pokemon Stadium

10.Pokemon Stadium 2

11.Pokemon Ruby

12.Pokemon Sapphire

13.Pokemon Emerald

14.Pokemon Snap

15.Pokemon Fire Red

16.Pokemon Leaf Green

17.Pokemon Diamond

18.Pokemon Pearl

19.Pokemon Platnium

20.Pokemon Pinball

21.Pokemon Pinball 2

22.Pokemon Heart Gold

23.Pokemon Soul Silver

24.Pokemon B&W

25.Pokemon B&W 2

26.Pokemon Ranger

27.Pokemon Ranger 2

28.Pokemon Ranger 3

29.Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red Resue Team

30.Blue Rescue Team

31.Collosium

32.XD gale of darkness

33.Battle Revolution

34.Conquest

35.Hey you pikachu

36.Puzzle LEague

37.Dash

38.pokemon Ranch

39.Pokepark

40.Pokepark 2

and this is off the top of my head and some games I heard of, I know there are more, I remember a learning DD game announced a couple years back, and a few Wii titles I haven't mentioned, and probably EVEN MORE.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

can you even imagine the outcry if anyone else made two versions of the exact same  game them put a half dozen collectibles in two different versions and marketed it as gotta collect em all?

people would be livid. over at the poke conglomerate that shyt is business as usual.

RyanShazam

For 4 games.

And 3 of those five games yes, they did complain.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="cain006"]It's meant to promote trading. There's no reason to buy two versions at all.

BrunoBRS

I was gonna say, unless you're deeply troubled or spoiled, you don't buy EVERY copy of every generation of pokemon games. 

Yellow/Red/Blue/Firered/Leafgreen: Gen 1

Gold/Silver/Crystal/Heartgold/Soulsilver: Gen 2

Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald: Gen 3

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum: Gen 4

Black/White: Gen 5

(I'll even give you Black/White 2 as a separate count here): Gen 5.5

Unless you're damaged, you didn't buy every single copy of the games that were released. You either bought one of the original games or waited for the inevitable 3rd game to come out. 

The games within each generation are in my mind counted as a single game because they were identical aside from the remakes and the different pokemon present within the games. If you really want to count every canon title as a different, unique title and compare it to a series like COD I guess that's your prerogative. 

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Lol your average CoD has what?  5-7 maps in total?  Playing the same maps thousands of times over hardly amounts to more content.  But yeah, let's not forget overpriced DLC map packs..  That's totally not milking right?   Mindlessly grinding your prestige levels just so you can put your clan logo on the back of your gun?  Whoopied frikkin doo.  So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

Obviously_Right

COD has closer to 20 maps each game as well as Zombies/SpecOps and a Campaign with (gasp!) VOICE ACTING.

Call Of Duty may be milked, but at least they don't release two versions of the game at the same time.

And what's wrong with this, exactly?

Nothing wrong with milk. :l

Nothing wrong with milk. :l

timmy00

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

Nothing wrong with milk. :l

mitu123

Though to be fair, I just don't feel franchise fatigue like most people here.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="Eddie-Murphy48"]

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

1.Pokemon Red

2.Pokemon Blue

3.Pokemon Yellow

4.Pokemon TCG

5.Pokemon TCG 2

6.POkemon Gold

7.Pokemon Silver

8.Pokemon Crystal

9.Pokemon Stadium

10.Pokemon Stadium 2

11.Pokemon Ruby

12.Pokemon Sapphire

13.Pokemon Emerald

14.Pokemon Snap

15.Pokemon Fire Red

16.Pokemon Leaf Green

17.Pokemon Diamond

18.Pokemon Pearl

19.Pokemon Platnium

20.Pokemon Pinball

21.Pokemon Pinball 2

22.Pokemon Heart Gold

23.Pokemon Soul Silver

24.Pokemon B&W

25.Pokemon B&W 2

26.Pokemon Ranger

27.Pokemon Ranger 2

28.Pokemon Ranger 3

29.Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red Resue Team

30.Blue Rescue Team

31.Collosium

32.XD gale of darkness

33.Battle Revolution

34.Conquest

35.Hey you pikachu

36.Puzzle LEague

37.Dash

38.pokemon Ranch

39.Pokepark

40.Pokepark 2

 

 

and this is off the top of my head and some games I heard of, I know there are more, I remember a learning DD game announced a couple years back, and a few Wii titles I haven't mentioned, and probably EVEN MORE.

 

Michael0134567

I said off the top of my head. There is of course, more.