So there have been 13 pokemon games in 15 years...

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="BPoole96"] So what are the "C" versions for then? Do they have all the Pokemon that were found in the A and B versions?starfox15

I was gonna say, unless you're deeply troubled or spoiled, you don't buy EVERY copy of every generation of pokemon games. 

Yellow/Red/Blue/Firered/Leafgreen: Gen 1

Gold/Silver/Crystal/Heartgold/Soulsilver: Gen 2

Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald: Gen 3

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum: Gen 4

Black/White: Gen 5

(I'll even give you Black/White 2 as a separate count here): Gen 5.5

Unless you're damaged, you didn't buy every single copy of the games that were released. You either bought one of the original games or waited for the inevitable 3rd game to come out. 

The games within each generation are in my mind counted as a single game because they were identical aside from the remakes and the different pokemon present within the games. If you really want to count every canon title as a different, unique title and compare it to a series like COD I guess that's your prerogative. 

nope those are all separate games nad most brough one of the first two then brought the "Full" versions which is also usually the "Most" different game. So most WILL end up with two, and all 3 are different games.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I WANT MOAR!!!Eddie-Murphy48

I said off the top of my head. There is of course, more.

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Lol your average CoD has what?  5-7 maps in total?  Playing the same maps thousands of times over hardly amounts to more content.  But yeah, let's not forget overpriced DLC map packs..  That's totally not milking right?   Mindlessly grinding your prestige levels just so you can put your clan logo on the back of your gun?  Whoopied frikkin doo.  So very rewarding and fulfilling and not a waste of time at all.

el3m2tigre

COD has closer to 20 maps each game as well as Zombies/SpecOps and a Campaign with (gasp!) VOICE ACTING.

Call Of Duty may be milked, but at least they don't release two versions of the game at the same time.

And what's wrong with this, exactly?

Everything.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

COD has closer to 20 maps each game as well as Zombies/SpecOps and a Campaign with (gasp!) VOICE ACTING.

Call Of Duty may be milked, but at least they don't release two versions of the game at the same time.

Obviously_Right

And what's wrong with this, exactly?

Everything.

You only need 1 version.

EDIT: Never mind, you explain this on the first page

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum Pokemon Black/White Pokemon Black 2/White 2 I count six games. If we throw in the remakes, we get eight, with the ninth one coming in this year.DropsofJupiter

If you are not on medication you would count 14 or so, and would expect  another 40+ added to that.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

COD has closer to 20 maps each game as well as Zombies/SpecOps and a Campaign with (gasp!) VOICE ACTING.

Call Of Duty may be milked, but at least they don't release two versions of the game at the same time.

Obviously_Right

And what's wrong with this, exactly?

Everything.

Feel free to elaborate.

In this scenario, I will say at least Pokemon does enough to differentiate itself with each release. Other franchises like Madden and Call of Duty do not.DropsofJupiter

all the mystery dungeon games are very similar.

you have 3 games that may be different fomr the last 3 games, but those 3 games paly nearly exactly the same.

Pokepark

Both pokemon stadium games play the same.

While there are a couple of differences, the gameplay in both XD and collosium is nealry the same exact thing.

everything else yeah.

In this scenario, I will say at least Pokemon does enough to differentiate itself with each release. Other franchises like Madden and Call of Duty do not.DropsofJupiter

[QUOTE="starfox15"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] expansions, just like a crapton of other games. you don't need the original either, you know the expansion is coming, and if it bothers you so much, you can just wait and get it. i never bought any of them though, but have one copy of each gen. so to me, as with most normal people, there have been 5 pokemon games (7 counting the two remade gens).Eddie-Murphy48

I was gonna say, unless you're deeply troubled or spoiled, you don't buy EVERY copy of every generation of pokemon games. 

Yellow/Red/Blue/Firered/Leafgreen: Gen 1

Gold/Silver/Crystal/Heartgold/Soulsilver: Gen 2

Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald: Gen 3

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum: Gen 4

Black/White: Gen 5

(I'll even give you Black/White 2 as a separate count here): Gen 5.5

Unless you're damaged, you didn't buy every single copy of the games that were released. You either bought one of the original games or waited for the inevitable 3rd game to come out. 

The games within each generation are in my mind counted as a single game because they were identical aside from the remakes and the different pokemon present within the games. If you really want to count every canon title as a different, unique title and compare it to a series like COD I guess that's your prerogative. 

nope those are all separate games nad most brough one of the first two then brought the "Full" versions which is also usually the "Most" different game. So most WILL end up with two, and all 3 are different games.

Wut?

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

And what's wrong with this, exactly?

el3m2tigre

Everything.

Feel free to elaborate.

It kills hype for the franchise. Look a SFII and look at SFIII which was barely exitent because of it., SFII made ritself big and Cpacom though they could slap the name on everything, that backfired and eneded up hurting the third game in their series, and started hurting some of their other SF games as well all the way until 4 came out,.

In this scenario, I will say at least Pokemon does enough to differentiate itself with each release. Other franchises like Madden and Call of Duty do not.DropsofJupiter

:roll:

A LOT of Nintendo hate on these forums lately...the9thinning

You call it milking, I call it giving fans what they want.

You call it milking, I call it giving fans what they want.

Pete-B

Hald that 40+ games milk doesn't even sell.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Everything.

Eddie-Murphy48

Feel free to elaborate.

It kills hype for the franchise. Look a SFII and look at SFIII which was barely exitent because of it., SFII made ritself big and Cpacom though they could slap the name on everything, that backfired and eneded up hurting the third game in their series, and started hurting some of their other SF games as well all the way until 4 came out,.

Clearly it's an entirely different scenario for pokemon.

Nintendo gets a "free pass"

Pokemon Platinum - 8.0 / Modern Warfare 2 - 9.0

Pokemon HGSS - 8.0 / Black Ops - 9.0

Pokemon BW - 7.5 / Modern Warfare 3 - 8.5

Pokemon BW2 - 6.5 / Black Ops 2 - 8.0

[QUOTE="Eddie-Murphy48"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Feel free to elaborate.

el3m2tigre

It kills hype for the franchise. Look a SFII and look at SFIII which was barely exitent because of it., SFII made ritself big and Cpacom though they could slap the name on everything, that backfired and eneded up hurting the third game in their series, and started hurting some of their other SF games as well all the way until 4 came out,.

Clearly it's an entirely different scenario for pokemon.

Not really, most pokemon games don't do well. Only usually the split version series does well.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Murphy48"]

It kills hype for the franchise. Look a SFII and look at SFIII which was barely exitent because of it., SFII made ritself big and Cpacom though they could slap the name on everything, that backfired and eneded up hurting the third game in their series, and started hurting some of their other SF games as well all the way until 4 came out,.

Eddie-Murphy48

Clearly it's an entirely different scenario for pokemon.

Not really, most pokemon games don't do well. Only usually the split version series does well.

The spin offs? Nintendo barely markets them as much as they do their main pokemon games.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="BPoole96"] I haven't played Pokemon since the Red/Blue, but isn't the main premise still catching Pokemon, beating gyms, collecting badges, and beating the final four? BPoole96

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="timmy00"]

Nothing wrong with milk. :l

timmy00

Though to be fair, I just don't feel franchise fatigue like most people here.

Nintendo gets a "free pass"

Pokemon Platinum - 8.0 / Modern Warfare 2 - 9.0

Pokemon HGSS - 8.0 / Black Ops - 9.0

Pokemon BW - 7.5 / Modern Warfare 3 - 8.5

Pokemon BW2 - 6.5 / Black Ops 2 - 8.0

metroidfood

Good job comparing a stagnant franchise that's been going on for the past 15 years to a franchise that got its Modern setting mojo in 2007. :lol:

Sheep gonna sheep!! #ChooChoo 

I'm glad someone is kicking Pokemon off of its high horse. Gets too much of a free pass... Then again, so does Nintendo as a whole. Brilliant to see them being hit like this. Hopefully we might actually see change now.... Who am I kidding. :lol:

Pokemon games last longer than those copy and paste FPSs you like TC.

Pokemon games last longer than those copy and paste FPSs you like TC.

HaloPimp978

Good thing only a select few titles in the series are actually unique games and not just the same thing with a different color or letter assigned to it. 

I'll ask the same question fans of Call of Duty or fans of other 'milked' games get when their franchise is called out for being milked: 

Why does it matter? More importantly, why does it matter to people who don't play the games? :|

I'd say theres a lot more effort put into an 80+ hour JRPG with huge amounts of depth than another 5 hour generic copy/paste FPS with multiplayer.  So on that note, it's justifiable.

Crossel777

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] and with every first person shooter you buy, you know you'll be aligning your crosshairs at things and then pressing LMB (or RT or R1/2) for 10 hours. and in dungeon crawlers, you click on stuff until they die, then click on more stuff. your point?BrunoBRS

So the gym leaders don't consist of a fire based one, a water based, one, an electric based one, etc? I mean it doesn't really matter who they are since all the pre battle dialogue consists of "I will crush you! HA HA HA!"

Why does Yellow exist then if it is essentially the same game? Iirc the only ifference between the Yellow and Red/Blue was that you started with Pikachu in the beginning. That is a prime example of milking, and to a 8-9 year old at the time, how the hell was I supposed to know it was a rehash and not an actual sequel?

In regard to fighting games, they have never really been my thing, and any game that get yearly releases with little improvements such as CoD, Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed, Madden, etc quickly lose my interest and I move onto more interesting games.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="BPoole96"] That's from a gameplay only perspective. In Pokemon you already know both the gameplay and the story and how every event will unfold. I don't understand where all of this enjoyment is coming from when you know 95% of the Pokemon in each new game, several of the moves are the same just with a new animation, same elemental weaknesses (fire hurts ice and vice versa), you know the gym leaders, you know the end game, and so on. What is it about these games that has young adults in their 20s creaming themselves over this series when they already know nearly everything about the game before it even releases? I played Red/Blue for dozens of hours as an 8-9 year old and by the time Yellow came out I played that and knew I was done with the series. BPoole96

So the gym leaders don't consist of a fire based one, a water based, one, an electric based one, etc? I mean it doesn't really matter who they are since all the pre battle dialogue consists of "I will crush you! HA HA HA!"

Why does Yellow exist then if it is essentially the same game? Iirc the only ifference between the Yellow and Red/Blue was that you started with Pikachu in the beginning. That is a prime example of milking, and to a 8-9 year old at the time, how the hell was I supposed to know it was a rehash and not an actual sequel?

In regard to fighting games, they have never really been my thing, and any game that get yearly releases with little improvements such as CoD, Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed, Madden, etc quickly lose my interest and I move onto more interesting games.

That's from a gameplay only perspective. In Pokemon you already know both the gameplay and the story and how every event will unfold. I don't understand where all of this enjoyment is coming from when you know 95% of the Pokemon in each new game, several of the moves are the same just with a new animation, same elemental weaknesses (fire hurts ice and vice versa), you know the gym leaders, you know the end game, and so on. What is it about these games that has young adults in their 20s creaming themselves over this series when they already know nearly everything about the game before it even releases? I played Red/Blue for dozens of hours as an 8-9 year old and by the time Yellow came out I played that and knew I was done with the series. BPoole96

2: 2 new types, held items
3: abilities, double battles
4: moves are physical/special based on move, not type, online battling/trading
5: triple battles, rotation battles

Really gen 5 is the only thing that didn't make a huge change to the gameplay.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] you don't really know the gym leaders, or the entire world for that matter. there are new pokemon, with new moves, new abilities, new rules, and new places to explore. new teams to form up, new strategies to use, and a lot to learn. each new game is essentially like an adventure. you set out only with the knowledge you acquired from previous games, and then you have to learn all this new stuff. of course, you are treating yellow like some kind of sequel. you played essentially the same game a second time, thinking it was a new one, and then assumed that the pattern repeated for every game. you seem to have an extremely limited, and wrong, view of what the pokemon games are. "i played the first one, therefore i assume they're all copies, because when i played the expansion, surprise surprise, it was the same game with some added sh!t rather than a brand new game". that's like holding fault for super street fighter IV being like SF4 vanilla. or actually, that's like complaining the street fighter series is all the same, because you still do quarter circles to pull hadoukens, and a lot of the cast is repeated, and the objective is still the same. now that i think about it, you must really hate fighting games... or any game with a sequel.BrunoBRS

So the gym leaders don't consist of a fire based one, a water based, one, an electric based one, etc? I mean it doesn't really matter who they are since all the pre battle dialogue consists of "I will crush you! HA HA HA!"

Why does Yellow exist then if it is essentially the same game? Iirc the only ifference between the Yellow and Red/Blue was that you started with Pikachu in the beginning. That is a prime example of milking, and to a 8-9 year old at the time, how the hell was I supposed to know it was a rehash and not an actual sequel?

In regard to fighting games, they have never really been my thing, and any game that get yearly releases with little improvements such as CoD, Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed, Madden, etc quickly lose my interest and I move onto more interesting games.

Yellow came out after Red/Blue so my 8 year old self figured it would be a new game with new content, not the same game with Pikachu as a starter.

Good job comparing a stagnant franchise that's been going on for the past 15 years to a franchise that got its Modern setting mojo in 2007. :lol:

Sheep gonna sheep!! #ChooChoo 

I'm glad someone is kicking Pokemon off of its high horse. Gets too much of a free pass... Then again, so does Nintendo as a whole. Brilliant to see them being hit like this. Hopefully we might actually see change now.... Who am I kidding. :lol:

sanim02

So a 6.5 is what's considered a free pass around here? #swag #YOLO

Pokemon games last longer than those copy and paste FPSs you like TC.

HaloPimp978

Who said I like those "copy and paste" FPS? (Oh the irony when trying to defend pokemon).

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

Good job comparing a stagnant franchise that's been going on for the past 15 years to a franchise that got its Modern setting mojo in 2007. :lol:

Sheep gonna sheep!! #ChooChoo 

I'm glad someone is kicking Pokemon off of its high horse. Gets too much of a free pass... Then again, so does Nintendo as a whole. Brilliant to see them being hit like this. Hopefully we might actually see change now.... Who am I kidding. :lol:

metroidfood

So a 6.5 is what's considered a free pass around here? #swag #YOLO

Ignoring that score it sits at 80 on meta.. so yes they get a free pass.

[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

Pokemon games last longer than those copy and paste FPSs you like TC.

GD1551

Who said I like those "copy and paste" FPS? (Oh the irony when trying to defend pokemon).

Pokemon is full of it!

there has actually been more than 13 pokemon games, much more.campzor

13 Pokemon games, and not a single one on consoles that was a full-fledged journey. I know the reason why, but you would think Nintendo would give it a chance.

GAMEBOY 1996 - Pokemon Red and Blue GAMEBOY COLOR 1998 - Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition (remake of Pokemon Red and Blue) 1999 - Pokemon Gold and Silver 2000 - Pokemon Crystal (remake of Gold and Silver) GAMEBOY ADVANCED 2002 - Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire 2004 - Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen (remake of Pokemon Red and Blue) 2004 - Pokemon Emerald (remake of Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire) NINTENDO DS 2006 - Pokemon Diamond and Pearl 2008 - Pokemon Platinum (remake of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl) 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver (remake of Pokemon Gold Silver) 2010 - Pokemon Black and White 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 NINTENDO 3DS 2013 - Pokemon X and Y

GAMEBOY 1996 - Pokemon Red and Blue GAMEBOY COLOR 1998 - Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition (remake of Pokemon Red and Blue) 1999 - Pokemon Gold and Silver 2000 - Pokemon Crystal (remake of Gold and Silver) GAMEBOY ADVANCED 2002 - Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire 2004 - Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen (remake of Pokemon Red and Blue) 2004 - Pokemon Emerald (remake of Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire) NINTENDO DS 2006 - Pokemon Diamond and Pearl 2008 - Pokemon Platinum (remake of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl) 2009 - Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver (remake of Pokemon Gold Silver) 2010 - Pokemon Black and White 2012 - Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 NINTENDO 3DS 2013 - Pokemon X and Y

That's not even counting the spin offs... Damn. Still buying Pokemon Y though.Ghost120x

Nintendo milks their franchises.

But so far they do not milk their games.