So what doesn't make LBP kiddy? (POLL now added)

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#51 air_wolf_cubed
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[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]air_wolf_cubed, I think that mario galaxy is kiddy.jack_russel
u are entitled to ur opinion but its definitelly not kiddy

It definitelly is. Way to many colors, not enough violence.

a game doesnt have to be black and white and violent to be not kiddy
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#52 E_x_i_l_e
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Simply. The amount of depth.
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#53 jack_russel
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]air_wolf_cubed, I think that mario galaxy is kiddy.air_wolf_cubed
u are entitled to ur opinion but its definitelly not kiddy

It definitelly is. Way to many colors, not enough violence.

a game doesnt have to be black and white and violent to be not kiddy

true, but If it does have a really cartoony look and doesn't have any "bad" content, then it's kiddy. Just like mario galaxy.
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[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]air_wolf_cubed, I think that mario galaxy is kiddy.jack_russel
u are entitled to ur opinion but its definitelly not kiddy

It definitelly is. Way to many colors, not enough violence.

a game doesnt have to be black and white and violent to be not kiddy

true, but If it does have a really cartoony look and doesn't have any "bad" content, then it's kiddy. Just like mario galaxy.

no then its a game for everyone to play not just kids. games that talk real cutesie and make 4 year olds learn are kiddie games. go play elmo and see how it sinks up to mario galaxy and u will say that theyre the same but the complete opposite will be in ur mind
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]air_wolf_cubed, I think that mario galaxy is kiddy.air_wolf_cubed
u are entitled to ur opinion but its definitelly not kiddy

It definitelly is. Way to many colors, not enough violence.

a game doesnt have to be black and white and violent to be not kiddy

true, but If it does have a really cartoony look and doesn't have any "bad" content, then it's kiddy. Just like mario galaxy.

no then its a game for everyone to play not just kids. games that talk real cutesie and make 4 year olds learn are kiddie games. go play elmo and see how it sinks up to mario galaxy and u will say that theyre the same but the complete opposite will be in ur mind

Both of those games would be kiddy, elmo would just be much more so. And I don't think theres a such thing as a "game for everyone" because there are always going to be people that it doesn't appeal to.
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#56 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]air_wolf_cubed, I think that mario galaxy is kiddy.jack_russel
u are entitled to ur opinion but its definitelly not kiddy

It definitelly is. Way to many colors, not enough violence.

Would difficulty rank a game as not kiddy? That seems to be a tie-in for games, the lack of depth or appeal to "hardcore" gamers is what generally makes a game kiddy, and from the mouth of the team themselves, Miyamoto has pushed them to make SMG difficult, and they are even worried the game itself would be difficult for the casual audience. many reports tell me it's difficult on the websites too. So in all honesty, from the sounds of it, it's less kiddy. Colors mean nothing, why does a Mario game need gore or strong violence?
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#57 no_submission
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[QUOTE="springz300"]

even if ps3 does get a few kiddie games,

it still has games for everyone.

nintendos kiddy games overshadow its non-kiddie games.

hell, what non-kiddie games does nintendo have?

i mean they had eternal darkness for gamecube.

wii has?

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Metroid zelda, RE, No more heroes, Manhunt 2, Bully, Disaster.

Go on...

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#58 Shift05
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people only think mario is kiddy cause its cartoony. i guess that means family guy and robot chicken are for little kids too thenair_wolf_cubed

I think Mario can be considered kiddy because it's storyline doesn't have much depth, it mainly consists of princess peach being kidnaped, and Mario has to save her. The story is very simple and is able to be understood by younger audiences. With more mature games you will find the story to have more depth and will require you to be older to understand what is happening.

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#59 Mil-m5
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With LBP, your mind is the only limitation, you may create adult themes in there if you like. Pokemon just grabs you by the hand and treats you like the kid you are.
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#60 tegovoltio
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Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.
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#61 jack_russel
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]air_wolf_cubed, I think that mario galaxy is kiddy.yoshi_64
u are entitled to ur opinion but its definitelly not kiddy

It definitelly is. Way to many colors, not enough violence.

Would difficulty rank a game as not kiddy? That seems to be a tie-in for games, the lack of depth or appeal to "hardcore" gamers is what generally makes a game kiddy, and from the mouth of the team themselves, Miyamoto has pushed them to make SMG difficult, and they are even worried the game itself would be difficult for the casual audience. many reports tell me it's difficult on the websites too. So in all honesty, from the sounds of it, it's less kiddy. Colors mean nothing, why does a Mario game need gore or strong violence?

I don't think a game's kiddyness has anything to do with it's difficulty. It's a much more superficial thing than that. It's mainly based on graphics and a lack of "mature" content. And to answer your question at the end, mario doesn't need violence, it's perfectly fine the way it is.
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Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.tegovoltio
As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.
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#63 yoshi_64
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I don't think a game's kiddyness has anything to do with it's difficulty. It's a much more superficial thing than that. It's mainly based on graphics and a lack of "mature" content. And to answer your question at the end, mario doesn't need violence, it's perfectly fine the way it is.jack_russel
Well I believe a game is "kiddy" if not by it's graphics and style, but truly the content in it being very kid-oriented. I mean, come on, you know a game like Hannah Montana, Horsez, hell even Nintendogs are more aimed that the children. Where as a game like Mario has the "everyone" view. I know you mentioned it doesn't really qualify cause not "everyone" will like it, however Mario isn't the kind of icon that puts off the older audiences. Older people still play mario, and know Mario for what he is. Mario is also safe bet for all the young kids who have never played before, and anyone in between. His appeal doesn't off-set many of the people in this world. Hell you find him from anywhere in kids clothing to Hot Topic and other more "older targeting" places.

I also think difficulty makes a game more "kiddy" or not sometimes, cause generally a kiddy game is very easy going and lacks any real depth or spark, or creation.

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#64 tegovoltio
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[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.jack_russel
As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.

And you compare the hype/reputation for that couple of games as the same of Nintendo's main and most produced type of games? Again it doesn't really matter.

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[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.jack_russel
As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.

Ratchet and Clank is NOT kiddie,

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#66 kittykatz5k
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Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONE
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#67 furtherfan
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why all the insecure babble about kiddie?...... aren't you just thrilled to play this game?
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#68 jack_russel
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I can see what you're saying, But I still disagree. Just because some older people like mario doesn't stop it from being kiddy overall. There are some older people that enjoy hannah montana, that doesn't change the fact that it's still kiddy. Same with mario. And I don't think that Difficulty plays into it because there are games that are really really easiy (okami comes to mind) but aren't appropiate for kids. Also that would insinuate that the gameplay is somehow at fault for a games kiddyness, which I believe its not. I think it's purely a title given to a game based on it's graphics and mature content or lack there of.
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.tegovoltio

As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.

And you compare the hype/reputation for that couple of games as the same of Nintendo's main and most produced type of games? Again it doesn't really matter.

yea I compare it to nintendo's games, and yea you're right, It doesn't really matter.
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.no_submission

As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.

Ratchet and Clank is NOT kiddie,

I consider it kiddy. Bright colorful graphics, cartoony characters, no content a soccer mom would gasp at.
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Sure it looks kiddy, but whats wrong with that? Its not like the adults who bought PS3s are going to play it. This game is for their children who are only allowed to play it once their rooms are clean and they've eaten all their vegetables.
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Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEkittykatz5k
this is for everyone?
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#73 springz300
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even tho the playstation brand DOES carry tons of kiddie games,

it still has more for the hardcore. basically EVERYONE can enjoy the system unlike nintendo, where 85% of games are kiddy.

ps1 and ps2 didnt sell 215million consoles for nothin ya know.

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[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.jack_russel

As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.

And you compare the hype/reputation for that couple of games as the same of Nintendo's main and most produced type of games? Again it doesn't really matter.

yea I compare it to nintendo's games, and yea you're right, It doesn't really matter.

Then you should know that it's a weak comparison.

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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Yes it's kiddy. It really doesn't matter. The difference here between that and the anti-nintendo argument is that LBP is just one game.tegovoltio

As is Ratchet and Clank. And Sly Cooper. And Ape Escape. And the whole Hot Shots series. And Locoroco.

And you compare the hype/reputation for that couple of games as the same of Nintendo's main and most produced type of games? Again it doesn't really matter.

yea I compare it to nintendo's games, and yea you're right, It doesn't really matter.

Then you should know that it's a weak comparison.

you should know that it's perfectly valid. locoroco is just as kiddy and as mario, if not more so.
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEjack_russel
this is for everyone?

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense... That game is N for no one anyways, I can't even see little kids having fun with how bad that gmae sucks.

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#77 tegovoltio
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you should know that it's perfectly valid. locoroco is just as kiddy and as mario, if not more so. jack_russel

Yea but Mario is Nintendo's main name, a game labeled as kiddy, and you named those games and name a few more if you want but it's not the same against nintendo's ''arsenal'' of those.

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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEkittykatz5k

this is for everyone?

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense...

the common sense is that it doesn't make sense. It's a dumb rule.
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cause in LBP you can add all the porn and graphic stuff you want in to the level.
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#80 funnymario
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LBP is kiddy? Well, put me in grade 3 and call me Timmy! That game looks awesome!
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"] you should know that it's perfectly valid. locoroco is just as kiddy and as mario, if not more so. tegovoltio

Yea but Mario is Nintendo's main name, a game labeled as kiddy, and you named those games and name a few more if you want but it's not the same against nintendo's ''arsenal'' of those.

I don't see how being the main franchise makes the game any more kiddy. Is Halo more kiddy than killzone because it's microsofts main franchise? What does being a main franchise have to do with how kiddy something is? nintendo's "arsenal" of kiddy games is about the same as sony's.
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEjack_russel

this is for everyone?

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense...

the common sense is that it doesn't make sense. It's a dumb rule.

I suppose you have a better way to define the word kiddy? Lemme guess, everything that isn't blood fps #20,032, right?

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#83 springz300
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cause in LBP you can add all the porn and graphic stuff you want in to the level. Ragashahs
never thought of that, but this is true
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEkittykatz5k

this is for everyone?

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense...

the common sense is that it doesn't make sense. It's a dumb rule.

I suppose you have a better way to define the word kiddy? Lemme guess, everything that isn't blood fps #20,032, right?

cartoony graphics, no "mature" content.
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#85 springz300
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little big planet just wouldnt work on Wii reasons: advanced physics level sharing in game community (wii=virtually no online) upload items from HDD
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[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"] you should know that it's perfectly valid. locoroco is just as kiddy and as mario, if not more so. jack_russel

Yea but Mario is Nintendo's main name, a game labeled as kiddy, and you named those games and name a few more if you want but it's not the same against nintendo's ''arsenal'' of those.

I don't see how being the main franchise makes the game any more kiddy. Is Halo more kiddy than killzone because it's microsofts main franchise? What does being a main franchise have to do with how kiddy something is? nintendo's "arsenal" of kiddy games is about the same as sony's.

I'm not talking about being the main franchise being making it more kiddy but it's attached to their image.

And It's about the same amount? You sure? And not only that but you also have the who has more ''non kiddy'' games to put in the comparison as well.

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#87 jack_russel
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"] you should know that it's perfectly valid. locoroco is just as kiddy and as mario, if not more so. tegovoltio

Yea but Mario is Nintendo's main name, a game labeled as kiddy, and you named those games and name a few more if you want but it's not the same against nintendo's ''arsenal'' of those.

I don't see how being the main franchise makes the game any more kiddy. Is Halo more kiddy than killzone because it's microsofts main franchise? What does being a main franchise have to do with how kiddy something is? nintendo's "arsenal" of kiddy games is about the same as sony's.

I'm not talking about being the main franchise being making it more kiddy but it's attached to their image.

And It's about the same amount? You sure? And not only that but you also have the who has more ''non kiddy'' games to put in the comparison as well.

okay, but I still don't see how that makes the sony's kiddy games anyless kiddy than nintendo's. As an overall image, I agree, Nintendo has the kiddy image more so than sony.
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#88 tegovoltio
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okay, but I still don't see how that makes the sony's kiddy games anyless kiddy than nintendo's. As an overall image, I agree, Nintendo has the kiddy image more so than sony.jack_russel

It doesn't make it any less. I never said that. In my original post I was referring mostly to quantity.

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#89 springz300
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[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"] you should know that it's perfectly valid. locoroco is just as kiddy and as mario, if not more so. jack_russel

Yea but Mario is Nintendo's main name, a game labeled as kiddy, and you named those games and name a few more if you want but it's not the same against nintendo's ''arsenal'' of those.

I don't see how being the main franchise makes the game any more kiddy. Is Halo more kiddy than killzone because it's microsofts main franchise? What does being a main franchise have to do with how kiddy something is? nintendo's "arsenal" of kiddy games is about the same as sony's.

even tho the playstation brand DOES carry tons of kiddie games, it still has more for the hardcore. basically EVERYONE can enjoy the system unlike nintendo, where 85% of games are kiddy. ps1 and ps2 didnt sell 215million consoles for nothin ya know.
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I mean its not exactly what we'd call a "mature" game but its definitely unfair to compare it to friggin' Pokemon...I know a lot of you guys play that game, but there's absolutely no denying that between the games, TV show, and trading cards it's aimed squarely at the 6-12 market.
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#91 kittykatz5k
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[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEjack_russel

this is for everyone?

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense...

the common sense is that it doesn't make sense. It's a dumb rule.

I suppose you have a better way to define the word kiddy? Lemme guess, everything that isn't blood fps #20,032, right?

cartoony graphics, no "mature" content.

This can be defined as a hell of a lot of games poeple of all ages enjoy... I see kiddy as stuff like seseme street and such, things built for the yougest of audiences. There must be some huge gap between my defenition of kiddy and yours.

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#92 kittykatz5k
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I mean its not exactly what we'd call a "mature" game but its definitely unfair to compare it to friggin' Pokemon...I know a lot of you guys play that game, but there's absolutely no denying that between the games, TV show, and trading cards it's aimed squarely at the 6-12 market.
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The cards, the show,all thatmerchendise not made by nintendo, sure. Those are definetly the 10-12 market. The games however carry a rather large ammount of depth to them and are quite fun. A whole lot to these games, espessially stuff I couldn't see my yougner cousin understanding or anything.

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#93 jack_russel
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[QUOTE="jack_russel"]okay, but I still don't see how that makes the sony's kiddy games anyless kiddy than nintendo's. As an overall image, I agree, Nintendo has the kiddy image more so than sony.tegovoltio

It doesn't make it any less. I never said that. In my original post I was referring mostly to quantity.

does nintendo have more? theres mario, pikmin, animal crossing, starfox, pokemon... I Know I'm missing some.
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#94 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I mean its not exactly what we'd call a "mature" game but its definitely unfair to compare it to friggin' Pokemon...I know a lot of you guys play that game, but there's absolutely no denying that between the games, TV show, and trading cards it's aimed squarely at the 6-12 market.
kittykatz5k

The cards, the show,all thatmerchendise not made by nintendo, sure. Those are definetly the 10-12 market. The games however carry a rather large ammount of depth to them and are quite fun. A whole lot to these games, espessially stuff I couldn't see my yougner cousin understanding or anything.



I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
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#96 kittykatz5k
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I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
Teufelhuhn

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

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#97 Lazy_Boy88
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LBP does have a slightly kiddy image. But just like any game it doesn't prevent it from being fun.... and LBP will certainly be that.

Difference here is LBP is one game on a mature system. With Nintendo everything they produce except Metroid is completely kiddy. So the image of the entire system is kiddy.

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#98 jack_russel
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
kittykatz5k

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

Once again:  I feel pretty alienated.
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#99 tegovoltio
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[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]okay, but I still don't see how that makes the sony's kiddy games anyless kiddy than nintendo's. As an overall image, I agree, Nintendo has the kiddy image more so than sony.jack_russel

It doesn't make it any less. I never said that. In my original post I was referring mostly to quantity.

does nintendo have more? there mario, pikmin, animal crossing, starfox, pokemon... I Know I'm missing some.

Well some of the games you listed weren't Sony's but whatever. But you also got Kirby, DK, wario, maybe not that one but the numerous spin offs said franchises have, would animal crossing count too?

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#100 ofx360
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Nobuo, everytime i see your ps3 head shaking avatar i know something dumb is gonna be right next to it. Anywho, yes i think LBP is kiddy but its arguable. Most wii games on the other hand aren't, there either super kiddy or not kiddy at all