So what doesn't make LBP kiddy? (POLL now added)

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]okay, but I still don't see how that makes the sony's kiddy games anyless kiddy than nintendo's. As an overall image, I agree, Nintendo has the kiddy image more so than sony.tegovoltio

It doesn't make it any less. I never said that. In my original post I was referring mostly to quantity.

Well some of the games you listed weren't Sony's but whatever. But you also got Kirby, DDK, wario, maybe not that one but the numerous spin offs said franchises have, would animal crossing count too?

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
jack_russel

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

Accept that game did alienate an audience, it alienated it down to fans of the childrens toy.

Nobuo, everytime i see your ps3 head shaking avatar i know something dumb is gonna be right next to it. Anywho, yes i think LBP is kiddy but its arguable. Most wii games on the other hand aren't, there either super kiddy or not kiddy at all

ofx360

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
kittykatz5k

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

Accept that game did alienate an audience, it alienated it down to fans of the childrens toy.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
jack_russel

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

Accept that game did alienate an audience, it alienated it down to fans of the childrens toy.

The game was spesifically licenssed to buy in on popularity of a toy made for little girls, use common sense. I don't see pokemon or mario alienating any markets in their reach ot yougner groups.

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

NobuoMusicMaker

Super Paper Mario isn't complex? Trauma Center isn't complex? Twilight Princess isn't complex?

Please elaborate on what makes this so.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEkittykatz5k

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense... That game is N for no one anyways, I can't even see little kids having fun with how bad that gmae sucks.

Hey jack bring up hanna montana one of the best selling games on ds i believe it has an E rating

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
jack_russel

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

OH GAWD, I have a dirty mind:cry:

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

Tylendal

Super Paper Mario isn't complex? Trauma Center isn't complex? Twilight Princess isn't complex?

Please elaborate on what makes this so.

trauma center is not kiddy omg no neither is twilight but almost every other game on the wii is

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
kittykatz5k

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

Accept that game did alienate an audience, it alienated it down to fans of the childrens toy.

The game was spesifically licenssed to buy in on popularity of a toy made for little girls, use common sense. I don't see pokemon or mario alienating any markets in their reach ot yougner groups.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEofx360

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense... That game is N for no one anyways, I can't even see little kids having fun with how bad that gmae sucks.

Hey jack bring up hanna montana one of the best selling games on ds i believe it has an E rating

[QUOTE="ofx360"]

Nobuo, everytime i see your ps3 head shaking avatar i know something dumb is gonna be right next to it. Anywho, yes i think LBP is kiddy but its arguable. Most wii games on the other hand aren't, there either super kiddy or not kiddy at all

jack_russel

lmao

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure they do have depth and they're obviously enjoyable to a lot of people here, I would just argue that the younger crowd is still the primary target for those games.
no_submission

Primary target is anyone, that's how games are naturally marketed. Just because there's a clear branch to bring in another audience doesn't mean it makes the game anymore alienated to everyone else.

OH GAWD, I have a dirty mind:cry:

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Same thing that doesn't make mario adn such kiddy, the fact that E for everyone MEANS E for EVERYONEjack_russel

No because it's a game based on a product with an "ages3 and up" tag... this rule on E for everyone games has to be taken with an extent of common sense... That game is N for no one anyways, I can't even see little kids having fun with how bad that gmae sucks.

Hey jack bring up hanna montana one of the best selling games on ds i believe it has an E rating

OMG its so bright.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

ofx360

Super Paper Mario isn't complex? Trauma Center isn't complex? Twilight Princess isn't complex?

Please elaborate on what makes this so.

trauma center is not kiddy omg no neither is twilight but almost every other game on the wii is

Super Paper Mario is kiddy? It might be kid friendly, but as Mario games go, it's incredibly dark, and also has some rather rude moments. And define a kiddy game. Is RE4 kiddy. What about Project H.A.M.M.E.R., Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, and Medal of Honor.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

Tylendal

Super Paper Mario isn't complex? Trauma Center isn't complex? Twilight Princess isn't complex?

Please elaborate on what makes this so.

trauma center is not kiddy omg no neither is twilight but almost every other game on the wii is

Super Paper Mario is kiddy? It might be kid friendly, but as Mario games go, it's incredibly dark, and also has some rather rude moments. And define a kiddy game. Is RE4 kiddy. What about Project H.A.M.M.E.R., Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, and Medal of Honor.

Have you ever seen the show Zachbell which use to be on cartoonnetwork well its a pretty dark show, that doesnt make it NOT KIDDY. The characters are made to be kiddy, the fighting...YOU GET A GIANT HAMMER its hilarious for kids. OH and if havent gotten the memo Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancel the rest of those games are fine and dandy but like a an 1/8 of the wii library MP3 isnt even out yet.

I see you're a sheep so you wouldn't know what kiddy is(But but the wii isn't kiddy)

Kiddy isn't just about how the game looks,it is also how easy it is to play.Most games on the Wii/GC where really easy to learn,anyone under of 10 could play the game with and be really good at it.Yes,how the game looks does factor into if the game is Kiddy,but its not as important as how hard the game is.I don't think you will see any 8 year olds making Good LBP maps.

Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.jack_russel

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

NobuoMusicMaker

Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.jack_russel

DING DING DING AND THERE IT IS FOLKS THE ANSWER TO TODAYS QUESTION. WOOT WOOT

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

ofx360

Super Paper Mario isn't complex? Trauma Center isn't complex? Twilight Princess isn't complex?

Please elaborate on what makes this so.

trauma center is not kiddy omg no neither is twilight but almost every other game on the wii is

Super Paper Mario is kiddy? It might be kid friendly, but as Mario games go, it's incredibly dark, and also has some rather rude moments. And define a kiddy game. Is RE4 kiddy. What about Project H.A.M.M.E.R., Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, and Medal of Honor.

Have you ever seen the show Zachbell which use to be on cartoonnetwork well its a pretty dark show, that doesnt make it NOT KIDDY. The characters are made to be kiddy, the fighting...YOU GET A GIANT HAMMER its hilarious for kids. OH and if havent gotten the memo Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancel the rest of those games are fine and dandy but like a an 1/8 of the wii library MP3 isnt even out yet.

Not only is it not confirmed that Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancelled, you're really stretching it if you're trying to call it kiddy. A giant wooden mallet might be kiddy. A cyborg with a battle-hammer isn't. Also, what console hasn't had most of its library as mediocre trash.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.Tylendal

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

Full Metal omg you used that as an example they had a dogs guts and blood splattered all overr the wall it was sick. LBP i believe is kiddy. And ok? the simpsons do have episodes where its ok for kids to watch(well the do influence stupidity). The latest zelda didnt have kiddy graphic more of a gritty type so not so much kiddy

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.ofx360

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

Full Metal omg you used that as an example they had a dogs guts and blood splattered all overr the wall it was sick. LBP i believe is kiddy. And ok? the simpsons do have episodes where its ok for kids to watch(well the do influence stupidity). The latest zelda didnt have kiddy graphic more of a gritty type so not so much kiddy

Basically, I think the true argument here is whether we're talking about kiddy, or kid friendly. Kid friendly is like certain episodes of FMA or Simpsons, or finding Nemo or Mario. An adult could enjoy them, but it wouldn't shock a child. Kiddy is Telletubbies.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.Tylendal

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

It all comes down to graphics, which in this case LBP>>>>>>>>>>> all Wii games.no_submission

Sesame Street is live action. :|

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.jack_russel

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

Some do, some don't. The distinction is very blurred, which is the point I'm trying to make. Just because something can be kid friendly sometimes, doesn't make it kiddy.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Watch the E3 Game of the Show. "Simple, yet can be very complex"

If Nintendo had anything remotely complex, I would acknowledge it. Like Ouendan is quite complex. But really, those kiddy Mario and Zelda games are laughable.

The complex design of LBP blow them away.

Tylendal

Super Paper Mario isn't complex? Trauma Center isn't complex? Twilight Princess isn't complex?

Please elaborate on what makes this so.

trauma center is not kiddy omg no neither is twilight but almost every other game on the wii is

Super Paper Mario is kiddy? It might be kid friendly, but as Mario games go, it's incredibly dark, and also has some rather rude moments. And define a kiddy game. Is RE4 kiddy. What about Project H.A.M.M.E.R., Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, and Medal of Honor.

Have you ever seen the show Zachbell which use to be on cartoonnetwork well its a pretty dark show, that doesnt make it NOT KIDDY. The characters are made to be kiddy, the fighting...YOU GET A GIANT HAMMER its hilarious for kids. OH and if havent gotten the memo Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancel the rest of those games are fine and dandy but like a an 1/8 of the wii library MP3 isnt even out yet.

Not only is it not confirmed that Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancelled, you're really stretching it if you're trying to call it kiddy. A giant wooden mallet might be kiddy. A cyborg with a battle-hammer isn't. Also, what console hasn't had most of its library as mediocre trash.

hey if u look at the Project H.A.M.M.E.R. sentance carefully you might see something...do ya see it......no? Ok then cause i didnt even say Project H.A.M.M.E.R. was kiddy is said is was CANCELLED (the game looked stupid anyway). *But anyway* this is what Nintendo does i pumps out kiddy games to the masses, there are very few "mature" games on Nintendo platforms but a lot on the other ones

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[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.Tylendal

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

Full Metal omg you used that as an example they had a dogs guts and blood splattered all overr the wall it was sick. LBP i believe is kiddy. And ok? the simpsons do have episodes where its ok for kids to watch(well the do influence stupidity). The latest zelda didnt have kiddy graphic more of a gritty type so not so much kiddy

Basically, I think the true argument here is whether we're talking about kiddy, or kid friendly. Kid friendly is like certain episodes of FMA or Simpsons, or finding Nemo or Mario. An adult could enjoy them, but it wouldn't shock a child. Kiddy is Telletubbies.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Tylendal, I say kiddyness is based on cartoony graphics and a lack of "mature(read: offensive)" content.Tylendal

Full Metal Alchemist (about half the episodes), LBP, manys Simpsons episodes, and the entire Zelda series could be described that way.

Full Metal omg you used that as an example they had a dogs guts and blood splattered all overr the wall it was sick. LBP i believe is kiddy. And ok? the simpsons do have episodes where its ok for kids to watch(well the do influence stupidity). The latest zelda didnt have kiddy graphic more of a gritty type so not so much kiddy

Basically, I think the true argument here is whether we're talking about kiddy, or kid friendly. Kid friendly is like certain episodes of FMA or Simpsons, or finding Nemo or Mario. An adult could enjoy them, but it wouldn't shock a child. Kiddy is Telletubbies.

An adult can enjoy a hanna montana,(I got to say though that new hanna guitar game coming looks sick) any game can be enjoyed by anyone it does mean its not meant for kids i.e. loco roco

any game can be enjoyed by anyone it does mean its not meant for kids i.e. loco rocoofx360

I think we're starting to see eye to eye :)

[QUOTE="ofx360"]any game can be enjoyed by anyone it doesnt mean its not meant for kids i.e. loco rocoTylendal

I think we're starting to see eye to eye :)

fixed and you left out my hanna piece:cry:

Ok tell me why mario isnt kiddyofx360

[QUOTE="ofx360"]Ok tell me why mario isnt kiddyair_wolf_cubed

*Cough* loco roco *Cough* excuse me

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="ofx360"]Ok tell me why mario isnt kiddyofx360

*Cough* loco roco *Cough* excuse me

Now give me a real reason

Nothing. It looks just as kiddy as Ninty games, and I love all the hypocritical people that bashed Ninty games but praise LBP. BioShockOwnz

whenever i've said Nintendo games are kiddy i don't just mean the visual aesthetics, i mostly mean the rudimentary gameplay mechanics. It's just soooooooooo annoyingly simplistic sometimes, all that wii sports dewy's adventure, and mario party 8 crud.

you want to be challenged in a more complex way. Obviously we all already know how intricate LBP is going to play.Gameplay wise that game is endless.

Visually i still wouldnt call LBP kiddy, it's has cute characters but there something about the colour pallette and the fact that you can customize them soooo much that makes it stand apart from nintendo.Nintendo characters usually are designed to have a high level of one colouron parts of them, LBP characters have changeable textures that look like fabrics.

The characters remind ofthose highly collectible toys that are very popular in japan,there's thousands of them and each have their own personalities because of their expressions,clothing, colours etc...but these toys are sought after mostly from 17-40yr olds.

they're the kind of toys you'd find in a comic book storeand could have those weird mature comic book stories about them.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Nothing. It looks just as kiddy as Ninty games, and I love all the hypocritical people that bashed Ninty games but praise LBP. Korrigan777

whenever i've said Nintendo games are kiddy i don't just mean the visual aesthetics, i mostly mean the rudimentary gameplay mechanics. It's just soooooooooo annoyingly simplistic sometimes, all that wii sports dewy's adventure, and mario party 8 crud.

you want to be challenged in a more complex way. Obviously we all already know how intricate LBP is going to play.Gameplaywise that game is endless.

Visually i still wouldnt call LBP kiddy, it's has cute characters but there something about the colour pallette and the fact that you can customize them soooo much that makes it stand apart from nintendo.Nintendo charactersusually are designed tohave a high level of one colouron parts ofthem, LBP characters have changeable textures that look like fabrics.

The characters remind ofthosehighly collectible toys thatare very popular in japan,there's thousands of them and eachhave their ownpersonalities because of theirexpressions,clothing, coloursetc...but these toys are sought after mostly from 17-40yr olds.

they're the kind of toys you'd find in a comic book storeand could have those weird mature comic book stories about them.

:| :o :) :D

WOW i think where done here

"So what doesn't make LBP kiddy?"

The player actually has to think.