So when Xbox One fails miserably...

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

I don´t know if there is any corporation that can afford to lose money indefinitely. I mean, in some moment, teh money will be cut off by shareholders.

2Chalupas

In terms of money MS is a giant.  They have revenue sources from Windows, Office, Servers, DB engines, services, .... So many that they are can afford to have one that is unprofitable just to retain some market share of that area.

Except nobody is going to do that. Eventually they would just change their business model or do something different. No company is just going to purposely keep losing money in a division just because "other divisions make money". That's rediculous. Eventually they would change their business plan. Look at how radical of change Sony has gone through since about 2009, that was directly in response to the early struggles of the PS3. 

My guess is early on they will just throw money at it like crazy to advertise. So it is basically a battle of advertising $$$ having an effect on sheeples vs. knowledge customers that will more likely stay away until they change policy. I think definitely if they throw enough money at it, it won't be like Wii-U and just sit there on shelves. They proved with Kinect 1.0 that even total garbage can get some sales with a $500 Million ad budget. However I'm not sure that even a massive ad budget is going to overcome some glaring issues with this product, and they probably have to spend so much in adds that it will make the division a money loser... until they change their strategy that is...

Oh yeah I see them throwing huge amounts of money into advertising it, although you are right, it might not make any bit of difference.  They will lose money till they think that they can't pull it back and then they will change.  Something MS is not very good at doing.  They are used to just steam rolling the competition through money.  Not something that works very well in the console or gaming marketplace.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="always_explicit"] People dont like windows 8 because it was a drastic change....same reason people bash the X1...starting to spot the theme here??? Microsoft are trying to push boundaries... You dont have to buy into it...hell you dont even have to like it. But it will not stop me moving with the times.StormyJoe

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Why is it, then, that every online outlet selling XB1 reports strong sales?

You cows are pathetic.

More Proof that I am Cow, hear me Moo.

Honestly, after the console is released, you can just packet sniff to see what is being sent to MS. Pretty sure you will not find any audio/video streams being sent without you're knowledge. People's fears of X1 are greatly exagerated due to the recent NSA crap in the news. X1 will do just fine in the market and after its out i think the featuers will take off.  Sony will end up adding some of the features to PS4 before this generation is out, mark my words!

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="always_explicit"] People dont like windows 8 because it was a drastic change....same reason people bash the X1...starting to spot the theme here??? Microsoft are trying to push boundaries... You dont have to buy into it...hell you dont even have to like it. But it will not stop me moving with the times.StormyJoe

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Why is it, then, that every online outlet selling XB1 reports strong sales?

You cows are pathetic.

this is amazon no some random blockbuster that i didnt even have idea they were still alive.

Shall not forget that MS will release Kinnekt on PC, too. So I consider that move as a sign that MS may consider PC as a retreat platform if X1 sales aren´t enough. I mean, why would you release Kinnect on PC if you don´t plan to release Kinnect games on PC ?

Another suspicious move is Sony´s. I heard rumors that Sony plans to release their new controller on PC as well. To release oficially, like xbox360 usb controller,

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

So when the PS4 fails miserably...Motokid6

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Krelian-co

Why is it, then, that every online outlet selling XB1 reports strong sales?

You cows are pathetic.

this is amazon no some random blockbuster that i didnt even have idea they were still alive.

Nothing but Sony fanboys voting many times to add to the PS4 numbers. It you look at pre-order numbers its only 3x1 aginst the Xbox One. 

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Why is it, then, that every online outlet selling XB1 reports strong sales?

You cows are pathetic.

xhawk27

this is amazon no some random blockbuster that i didnt even have idea they were still alive.

Nothing but Sony fanboys voting many times to add to the PS4 numbers. It you look at pre-order numbers its only 3x1 aginst the Xbox One. 

[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

XboxStache

Making a mole into a Mountain. Give it a rest the DRM isn't as bad as you guys claim it is. Buying an Online system that needs Internet to work is not a draconian rule. Anyone that is brain dead is you Fanboys. 

They'll be set back behind everyone else, I'm sure they'll still be doing alright; at least enough to sustain them.

It's not like MS relies on the console to stay in buisness, they have other ways.

[QUOTE="XboxStache"][QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

xhawk27

Making a mole into a Mountain. Give it a rest the DRM isn't as bad as you guys claim it is. Buying an Online system that needs Internet to work is not a draconian rule. Anyone that is brain dead is you Fanboys. 

[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

Krelian-co

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

LOL windows 8 sold for 100 million copies and vista is 180 million try again cow 

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

nyzma23

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

LOL windows 8 sold for 100 million copies and vista is 180 million try again cow 

there is very little competitions on the OS business, Windows pretty much have the monopoly on that industry.

The gaming console on the other hand is an entirely different field.

[QUOTE="always_explicit"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

just like vista and 8, along with toher fails, because it is teh microsoft right? xD

Krelian-co

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="XboxStache"] ...And brain dead consumers who don't mind their privacy invaded or draconian rules that never existed in gaming. Amirite?superclocked

Making a mole into a Mountain. Give it a rest the DRM isn't as bad as you guys claim it is. Buying an Online system that needs Internet to work is not a draconian rule. Anyone that is brain dead is you Fanboys. 

Most people are intelligent outside of these forums, so it should do just fine.

Xbox One failing? Ohhh the memories. I'm getting so nostalgic like its 2006 again. lol Wonderful times.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Krelian-co

Why is it, then, that every online outlet selling XB1 reports strong sales?

You cows are pathetic.

this is amazon no some random blockbuster that i didnt even have idea they were still alive.

 "We offer more value than you Sony"

As long as no more GFWL, im good.

I dont think XBOX1 will fail, MS aint stupid so they can always change/adjust their current policies in order to win back gamers...

From what I understand the xbox is a small of the microsoft revenue stream any way so even if microsoft "fail miserably" it wont affect them much. Plus at the price they are selling the XB1 it woulkd seem that the ratio could be 100 millions ps4s sold to 40 million x1s and they may come out even or a small profit money wise. Plus if they dont start selling well out the gate they could bundle a game and extra controller or whatever and keep the price the same. Basically selling consoles to me are about value more then anything else... even die hard cows would pick up a x1 if it was cheap enough

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

always_explicit

yes its all about the moneez

They wont fail miserably because MS has a bottomless pit of money for advertising. They will reach millions of people who have no idea about any of the negative things about the XB1. Moms, dads, grandparents, new games, or gamers that dont travel in our circles. Sony just does not have the raw cash anymore to be able to do a scorch the earth campaign like MS can.

 

MS showed up at bestbuy stores during nintendos big unveiling of new games to ambush people coming http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/microsoft-employees-ambush-wii-u-best-buy-events-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

And they are setting up xbox one stores inside a bunch of bestbuy stores http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/14/microsoft-opening-stores-inside-600-best-buy-outlets-to-promote-xbox-one/

 

Thats only the start.

 

Only way they will feel anything is if the real gamers reach more non gamers to let them know about the XB1 and why it is very anti customer base and to contact publishers/developers to let them know they will support the PS4.

Gargus

Yeah because the endless millions saved the xbox from failure.:roll:

Xbox One failing? Ohhh the memories. I'm getting so nostalgic like its 2006 again. lol Wonderful times.

jimmypsn

Really so was the xbox 360 out pre-orders in every retailers by the PS3.?

They did not even arrive the same year.

Is official the PS4 is badly outselling the xbox one on US and UK MS only good markets,i don't even want to know how badly it will be outsold in mainland EU and japan that are Sony land places.

Don't be surprice to see the PS4 a few million units ahead of the xbox one by early next year.

[QUOTE="always_explicit"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

menes777

Sony poured quite a bit of money into the PS3.  One of the biggest mistakes they made was being the highest priced console out there.  Now MS is making that same mistake and is not making it very attractive either.  All the advertising money in the world can't break angst caused by the internet.  If MS were smart it would retract many of it's unpopular features while they still can rather than just trying to force customers into excepting it (on top of a price drop).

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

Sagemode87

LOL joke thread my ass. Have you been living under a rock this past month? It's so cute how you guys think MS can just throw ad money at it and make it a success. For you to even want them to win by taking advantage of ignorant shoppers instead of changing their shit policies goes to show how deranged lems are. Are you guys even gamers? Or paid MS shills? No gamer should want what MS is enforcing. Fanboy or not. Pathetic.

Considering evey pre-order outlet that has mentioned pre-orders has said the XB1 is selling well, I say again "joke thread". Will it outsell the PS4? I don't know, honestly. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it will be a "failure".

"So when Xbox One fails miserably..." LOL. Joke thread...

X1 wont fail. If it has a bad launch i expect alot of management in the xbox division will be replaced and once some sane individuals get in there they will probably start doing some aggressive price cutting and walking back some of the DRM policies to finish the gen strong.

X1 wont fail. If it has a bad launch i expect alot of management in the xbox division will be replaced and once some sane individuals get in there they will probably start doing some aggressive price cutting and walking back some of the DRM policies to finish the gen strong.

BeardMaster

i agree alot of jobs are at risk because of the PR diaster. Its a great console, but clarity is needed. i think the DRM policies might stay, but they can make it very attracted. They definitely will be behind out of the gate but that can change extremely fast. The have alot of thigns going f or them still despite all we have heard.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

X1 wont fail. If it has a bad launch i expect alot of management in the xbox division will be replaced and once some sane individuals get in there they will probably start doing some aggressive price cutting and walking back some of the DRM policies to finish the gen strong.

Mr720fan

i agree alot of jobs are at risk because of the PR diaster. Its a great console, but clarity is needed. i think the DRM policies might stay, but they can make it very attracted. They definitely will be behind out of the gate but that can change extremely fast. The have alot of thigns going f or them still despite all we have heard.

I think if they change the DRM policy so that it only checks if you are connected to the 'Net via XBL, everything will calm down. Problem is, I think they'd have to make a software change. Depending on how flexible the code base is, that could be a daunting task.

[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

jhonMalcovich

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

I hope it fails but you can never underestimate the powah of stupidity in the average man.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

X1 wont fail. If it has a bad launch i expect alot of management in the xbox division will be replaced and once some sane individuals get in there they will probably start doing some aggressive price cutting and walking back some of the DRM policies to finish the gen strong.

StormyJoe

i agree alot of jobs are at risk because of the PR diaster. Its a great console, but clarity is needed. i think the DRM policies might stay, but they can make it very attracted. They definitely will be behind out of the gate but that can change extremely fast. The have alot of thigns going f or them still despite all we have heard.

I think if they change the DRM policy so that it only checks if you are connected to the 'Net via XBL, everything will calm down. Problem is, I think they'd have to make a software change. Depending on how flexible the code base is, that could be a daunting task.

i agree cant do that, too much work, what they have to do is explain why DRM is going to benefit the consumer. Say outright we will have deals no other console will offer, discounts, make it tangible to the customer, maybe modify some of the used games policy, they are going to have to be creative for sure, just cant be taking the route they are taking. They need new people if they are just going to stonewall the public on this, negative PR can kill anything and it has that buzz about it. Shame since its a spectacular system that i think truly will be appreciated when its actually in someones livingroom. problem is that is a long time away..... They have time, i hope they use it and get some clarity going on out there.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

X1 wont fail. If it has a bad launch i expect alot of management in the xbox division will be replaced and once some sane individuals get in there they will probably start doing some aggressive price cutting and walking back some of the DRM policies to finish the gen strong.

StormyJoe

i agree alot of jobs are at risk because of the PR diaster. Its a great console, but clarity is needed. i think the DRM policies might stay, but they can make it very attracted. They definitely will be behind out of the gate but that can change extremely fast. The have alot of thigns going f or them still despite all we have heard.

I think if they change the DRM policy so that it only checks if you are connected to the 'Net via XBL, everything will calm down. Problem is, I think they'd have to make a software change. Depending on how flexible the code base is, that could be a daunting task.

What difference does it make if it uses XBL?  It still needs the internet to authenticate.  Unless you meant something different...

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="always_explicit"]

The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

clone01

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

WiiU is still struggling. After 8 month, it sold like 4M units worldwide. Fanboy love is not enough to make a console successful. If all lems buy X1, it won´t be enough. People just don´t understand, SW is not equal real to world. In all polls, X1 loses miserably vs PS4.

But I believe you don´t care about X1, but about my WiiU example. Well, but this is true. WiiU will keep struggling despite even MS´s fail. WiiU has its own big problems as a console. 

Right, I am going to write something really unpopular right now.

X1 Won't fail. Part of the reason that it will not fail is the following:

1) The X1 is shunned by the "core gamers" that will be you, me and most other people on sites like this, but the sad truth is that people like us are one of the smallest minorities of the gaming consumer. IF initial sales fail, MS will simply apply dumping prices to the console, and you will have to watch as sales explode. The livingroom is by far the area which has the most revenue in the house. For any kind of 3rd Party the cost can break a company, but Box manufactors DO make profit on near everything. Also if the sub model is true, then cable companies will likely push consumers for an X1. Since most of the consumers are not like people on here (for reference look at the Wii sales), they will buy it with little or no question, most families with smaller children will opt for an x1 over a PS4 at a lower pricepoint. Kids are more expensive then anyone can imagine (except if they have kids).

2) The X1 does not really feel like it aims soley at the Gamers, basicly I thik the X1 can be quite popular and profitable as an entertainment box alone, it even felt like gamers were not the target for most of what they did with it. it is a mass consumer general entertainment box. (For us here, it is pretty much multimedia pc minus the freedom of choice, for most of the world that is appealing, and less frightening).

3) Alot of people are stupid. No I am not calling people here stupid, even those who like the X1, this is not really aimed at one group, but people in general. Buy enough adverticement on shows people watch, and spend enough money on adverts and people will consider the X1 the next comming. A huge jump in tech which the world have never seen (despite it is barely what weve had access to for the last 10 years). But the majority will be influenced enough, and not do any research into th rather draconic areas of the X1s consumer practices. Even if we all stood and yelled that no one should ever buy one, our voices would simply be drowned out, not be heard under the huge marketing machine.

4) MS always have the "Apple Route" Apple spent alot of cash on pretty much unfounded smear campaigns against all other PC brands by making false claims, and pretty much quietly taking the hits in the courtrooms in the world. How many of you still think that apple produces the most durable pieces of tech? They do not, not in PCs, in phones, or even the MP3 players. It is not more secure (infact it is quite easy to hack, there is an european hacking contest every year, and Apple tends to be one of the first to get cracked at these security contests) Nevertheless, this is not an anti apple thread (Alot of corperations do this ther eare very few ethical corperations in the world), but merely to point out something which works rather well for MS if the sales are low.

Unrelates: Since this is just for this gen, this is unrelated. But MS will not leave the livingroom area fight. Again due to the revenue one can garner. I think that MS would gladly suffer 10 years of bleeding cash on the X1, if only they can stay in the buisness, in a worst case, they can pretty much in 10 years, go on stage, and say "yeah We done goofed, but now we are doing right" and people will love them. Just Look at Sony this Gen, pretty much the exact same thing. Doing something like this, might cause an explosive following.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

i agree alot of jobs are at risk because of the PR diaster. Its a great console, but clarity is needed. i think the DRM policies might stay, but they can make it very attracted. They definitely will be behind out of the gate but that can change extremely fast. The have alot of thigns going f or them still despite all we have heard.

menes777

I think if they change the DRM policy so that it only checks if you are connected to the 'Net via XBL, everything will calm down. Problem is, I think they'd have to make a software change. Depending on how flexible the code base is, that could be a daunting task.

What difference does it make if it uses XBL? It still needs the internet to authenticate. Unless you meant something different...

What I am saying is that it would be better to not authenticate unless you are going online to play multiplayer. Essentially, an internal verison of the online pass system EA used to use. I get why they want some form of DRM, because games are ran exclusively from the HDD. But, I think there needs to be more give-and-take than what MS has originally proposed.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

X1 vs PS4 POLLS show the opposite. X1 won´t be saved by xbox fans in the same how WiiU wasn´t saved by nintendo fans. 

jhonMalcovich

WiiU is still struggling. After 8 month, it sold like 4M units worldwide. Fanboy love is not enough to make a console successful. If all lems buy X1, it won´t be enough. People just don´t understand, SW is not equal real to world. In all polls, X1 loses miserably vs PS4.

But I believe you don´t care about X1, but about my WiiU example. Well, but this is true. WiiU will keep struggling despite even MS´s fail. WiiU has its own big problems as a console. 

What MS will do ? What is your scenario ?

I think it certainly will benefit PC gamers because MS will suddenly remember that it has a second child.

Will MS release all X1 exclusives on PC ? Will MS start developing games for Windows again ?

Or it will set itself in denial mode and will continue to pour money into a failed experiment ?

How many copies X1 needs to sell so as not to be considered a total flop, to be considered a niche console ?

10 M units ? 20 ?

Will PC become even stronger if MS turns toward it again ?

jhonMalcovich

If the Wii didn't fail, there is no way in HELL  THE ONE will fail. 

Right, I am going to write something really unpopular right now.

X1 Won't fail. Part of the reason that it will not fail is the following:

1) The X1 is shunned by the "core gamers" that will be you, me and most other people on sites like this, but the sad truth is that people like us are one of the smallest minorities of the gaming consumer. IF initial sales fail, MS will simply apply dumping prices to the console, and you will have to watch as sales explode. The livingroom is by far the area which has the most revenue in the house. For any kind of 3rd Party the cost can break a company, but Box manufactors DO make profit on near everything. Also if the sub model is true, then cable companies will likely push consumers for an X1. Since most of the consumers are not like people on here (for reference look at the Wii sales), they will buy it with little or no question, most families with smaller children will opt for an x1 over a PS4 at a lower pricepoint. Kids are more expensive then anyone can imagine (except if they have kids).

2) The X1 does not really feel like it aims soley at the Gamers, basicly I thik the X1 can be quite popular and profitable as an entertainment box alone, it even felt like gamers were not the target for most of what they did with it. it is a mass consumer general entertainment box. (For us here, it is pretty much multimedia pc minus the freedom of choice, for most of the world that is appealing, and less frightening).

3) Alot of people are stupid. No I am not calling people here stupid, even those who like the X1, this is not really aimed at one group, but people in general. Buy enough adverticement on shows people watch, and spend enough money on adverts and people will consider the X1 the next comming. A huge jump in tech which the world have never seen (despite it is barely what weve had access to for the last 10 years). But the majority will be influenced enough, and not do any research into th rather draconic areas of the X1s consumer practices. Even if we all stood and yelled that no one should ever buy one, our voices would simply be drowned out, not be heard under the huge marketing machine.

4) MS always have the "Apple Route" Apple spent alot of cash on pretty much unfounded smear campaigns against all other PC brands by making false claims, and pretty much quietly taking the hits in the courtrooms in the world. How many of you still think that apple produces the most durable pieces of tech? They do not, not in PCs, in phones, or even the MP3 players. It is not more secure (infact it is quite easy to hack, there is an european hacking contest every year, and Apple tends to be one of the first to get cracked at these security contests) Nevertheless, this is not an anti apple thread (Alot of corperations do this ther eare very few ethical corperations in the world), but merely to point out something which works rather well for MS if the sales are low.

 

Unrelates: Since this is just for this gen, this is unrelated. But MS will not leave the livingroom area fight. Again due to the revenue one can garner. I think that MS would gladly suffer 10 years of bleeding cash on the X1, if only they can stay in the buisness, in a worst case, they can pretty much in 10 years, go on stage, and say "yeah We done goofed, but now we are doing right" and people will love them. Just Look at Sony this Gen, pretty much the exact same thing. Doing something like this, might cause an explosive following.

Maddie_Larkin

So let me see if I get this right the most expensive and least powerful console with the most restrictions is the best console ??

Sorry I call bs on that. Now if the ps4 had no games then just maybe the spybox would have a shot but that is not the case. Hell if the wii u drops down to 300 and gets some games then most likely the x1 will be in last place. IMO the x1 has the least value out of the big three.

Right, I am going to write something really unpopular right now.

X1 Won't fail. Part of the reason that it will not fail is the following:

1) The X1 is shunned by the "core gamers" that will be you, me and most other people on sites like this, but the sad truth is that people like us are one of the smallest minorities of the gaming consumer. IF initial sales fail, MS will simply apply dumping prices to the console, and you will have to watch as sales explode. The livingroom is by far the area which has the most revenue in the house. For any kind of 3rd Party the cost can break a company, but Box manufactors DO make profit on near everything. Also if the sub model is true, then cable companies will likely push consumers for an X1. Since most of the consumers are not like people on here (for reference look at the Wii sales), they will buy it with little or no question, most families with smaller children will opt for an x1 over a PS4 at a lower pricepoint. Kids are more expensive then anyone can imagine (except if they have kids).

2) The X1 does not really feel like it aims soley at the Gamers, basicly I thik the X1 can be quite popular and profitable as an entertainment box alone, it even felt like gamers were not the target for most of what they did with it. it is a mass consumer general entertainment box. (For us here, it is pretty much multimedia pc minus the freedom of choice, for most of the world that is appealing, and less frightening).

3) Alot of people are stupid. No I am not calling people here stupid, even those who like the X1, this is not really aimed at one group, but people in general. Buy enough adverticement on shows people watch, and spend enough money on adverts and people will consider the X1 the next comming. A huge jump in tech which the world have never seen (despite it is barely what weve had access to for the last 10 years). But the majority will be influenced enough, and not do any research into th rather draconic areas of the X1s consumer practices. Even if we all stood and yelled that no one should ever buy one, our voices would simply be drowned out, not be heard under the huge marketing machine.

4) MS always have the "Apple Route" Apple spent alot of cash on pretty much unfounded smear campaigns against all other PC brands by making false claims, and pretty much quietly taking the hits in the courtrooms in the world. How many of you still think that apple produces the most durable pieces of tech? They do not, not in PCs, in phones, or even the MP3 players. It is not more secure (infact it is quite easy to hack, there is an european hacking contest every year, and Apple tends to be one of the first to get cracked at these security contests) Nevertheless, this is not an anti apple thread (Alot of corperations do this ther eare very few ethical corperations in the world), but merely to point out something which works rather well for MS if the sales are low.

 

Unrelates: Since this is just for this gen, this is unrelated. But MS will not leave the livingroom area fight. Again due to the revenue one can garner. I think that MS would gladly suffer 10 years of bleeding cash on the X1, if only they can stay in the buisness, in a worst case, they can pretty much in 10 years, go on stage, and say "yeah We done goofed, but now we are doing right" and people will love them. Just Look at Sony this Gen, pretty much the exact same thing. Doing something like this, might cause an explosive following.

Maddie_Larkin

One reason why X1 will fail.

The USA is only 26th. Only a few states have 600KBps of download speed (6-8 mbps). And for cloud gaming and streaming is necesary at least 10 mbps or 1024 KBps of download speed.

If the Wii didn't fail, there is no way in HELL  THE ONE will fail. 

Far_RockNYC

No matter how I look at it I don't see where the x1 has the advantage vs the ps4.

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If the Wii didn't fail, there is no way in HELL  THE ONE will fail. 

no-scope-AK47

No matter how I look at it I don't see where the x1 has the advantage vs the ps4.

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Right, I am going to write something really unpopular right now.

X1 Won't fail. Part of the reason that it will not fail is the following:

1) The X1 is shunned by the "core gamers" that will be you, me and most other people on sites like this, but the sad truth is that people like us are one of the smallest minorities of the gaming consumer. IF initial sales fail, MS will simply apply dumping prices to the console, and you will have to watch as sales explode. The livingroom is by far the area which has the most revenue in the house. For any kind of 3rd Party the cost can break a company, but Box manufactors DO make profit on near everything. Also if the sub model is true, then cable companies will likely push consumers for an X1. Since most of the consumers are not like people on here (for reference look at the Wii sales), they will buy it with little or no question, most families with smaller children will opt for an x1 over a PS4 at a lower pricepoint. Kids are more expensive then anyone can imagine (except if they have kids).

2) The X1 does not really feel like it aims soley at the Gamers, basicly I thik the X1 can be quite popular and profitable as an entertainment box alone, it even felt like gamers were not the target for most of what they did with it. it is a mass consumer general entertainment box. (For us here, it is pretty much multimedia pc minus the freedom of choice, for most of the world that is appealing, and less frightening).

3) Alot of people are stupid. No I am not calling people here stupid, even those who like the X1, this is not really aimed at one group, but people in general. Buy enough adverticement on shows people watch, and spend enough money on adverts and people will consider the X1 the next comming. A huge jump in tech which the world have never seen (despite it is barely what weve had access to for the last 10 years). But the majority will be influenced enough, and not do any research into th rather draconic areas of the X1s consumer practices. Even if we all stood and yelled that no one should ever buy one, our voices would simply be drowned out, not be heard under the huge marketing machine.

4) MS always have the "Apple Route" Apple spent alot of cash on pretty much unfounded smear campaigns against all other PC brands by making false claims, and pretty much quietly taking the hits in the courtrooms in the world. How many of you still think that apple produces the most durable pieces of tech? They do not, not in PCs, in phones, or even the MP3 players. It is not more secure (infact it is quite easy to hack, there is an european hacking contest every year, and Apple tends to be one of the first to get cracked at these security contests) Nevertheless, this is not an anti apple thread (Alot of corperations do this ther eare very few ethical corperations in the world), but merely to point out something which works rather well for MS if the sales are low.

Unrelates: Since this is just for this gen, this is unrelated. But MS will not leave the livingroom area fight. Again due to the revenue one can garner. I think that MS would gladly suffer 10 years of bleeding cash on the X1, if only they can stay in the buisness, in a worst case, they can pretty much in 10 years, go on stage, and say "yeah We done goofed, but now we are doing right" and people will love them. Just Look at Sony this Gen, pretty much the exact same thing. Doing something like this, might cause an explosive following.

jhonMalcovich

One reason why X1 will fail.

But... MS requires that speed to play games online, not to authenticate.

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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

X1 wont fail. If it has a bad launch i expect alot of management in the xbox division will be replaced and once some sane individuals get in there they will probably start doing some aggressive price cutting and walking back some of the DRM policies to finish the gen strong.

StormyJoe

i agree alot of jobs are at risk because of the PR diaster. Its a great console, but clarity is needed. i think the DRM policies might stay, but they can make it very attracted. They definitely will be behind out of the gate but that can change extremely fast. The have alot of thigns going f or them still despite all we have heard.

I think if they change the DRM policy so that it only checks if you are connected to the 'Net via XBL, everything will calm down. Problem is, I think they'd have to make a software change. Depending on how flexible the code base is, that could be a daunting task.