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#101 no-scope-AK47
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[QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

If the Wii didn't fail, there is no way in HELL  THE ONE will fail. 

Far_RockNYC

The wii had a huge price advantage and good marketing to casuals. The x1 cost the most and can't enter markets that don't have internet. Also it has major restrictions on what you can do with your games. It will also enter the market with the ps4 that is cheaper and more powerful with IMO better games. You also have psn+ that has all the features of live for less with free games and sales.

No matter how I look at it I don't see where the x1 has the advantage vs the ps4.

XBL > PSN and it isn't even close, i have both! PSN- Golden_Boy187 XBL - Golden Boy187......so don't even try to tell me otherwise. BTW XBL will start giving 2 free games a month.

Clearly Iam talking about the version on ps4 with cross game chat for example

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#102 aroxx_ab
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If the Wii didn't fail, there is no way in HELL  THE ONE will fail. 

Far_RockNYC

You own your games for Wii and you can play them anytime you want, even in future. That cant be said about Xbone "more than 10years:P)

Xbox fail at the most basic things that make a console :(

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#103 -ArchAngeL-777-
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Depends on what you mean by "fail".  If "fail" means allowing Sony to grab the console power base back, then yeah they will fail.  It wont be an Xbox vs PS2 fail though.  I dont think they will sell as many consoles as they did with 360.  Microsoft will have to learn the same lessons Sony did with PS3 on pricing and exclusive catalog.  The question is can they do it?  Can they get the price down and expand their exclusive catalog in a way we never saw them do on 360?  

 

We saw Sony do that on PS3 while adding titles like Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Last of Us, Infamous...all names that are spoken in the same sentence with the likes of God of War, MGS, and Gran Turismo.   

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#104 menes777
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I think if they change the DRM policy so that it only checks if you are connected to the 'Net via XBL, everything will calm down. Problem is, I think they'd have to make a software change. Depending on how flexible the code base is, that could be a daunting task.

StormyJoe

What difference does it make if it uses XBL? It still needs the internet to authenticate. Unless you meant something different...

What I am saying is that it would be better to not authenticate unless you are going online to play multiplayer. Essentially, an internal verison of the online pass system EA used to use. I get why they want some form of DRM, because games are ran exclusively from the HDD. But, I think there needs to be more give-and-take than what MS has originally proposed.

In other words remove the DRM from single player? Makes sense.  I still think they should either have the online check or a disc check.  Don't like discs? Connect to the internet.  Don't like the internet method?  Keep the disc in.

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#105 Krelian-co
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[QUOTE="always_explicit"] People dont like windows 8 because it was a drastic change....same reason people bash the X1...starting to spot the theme here??? Microsoft are trying to push boundaries... You dont have to buy into it...hell you dont even have to like it. But it will not stop me moving with the times.always_explicit

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Except your just being a gigantic drama queen with sand in your vagina We both know we will get our discs and play our games with ease. The difference is Microsoft are pushing the steam model and new controller interfacing. The PSbore is an upgrade, not a next gen console...all it has is Specifications. If i wanted specs I would be a PC gamer.

garbage post, no i dont have to just accept microsoft garbage policies.  And loled at the steam part, steam doesnt have the bs drm, is a one time activation and the good thing about steam is the cheap game prices, thats why it has been succesful, xbox live wont have that and will have the most stupid drm ever, so no, they are not even close. Also steam is free. 

Not to mentiong change ius not the problem here, the problem is when they are changing from consoles today to a piece of crap console made for M$ to take away consumers right, i dont see anything innovative that is GOOD FOR THE PLAYERS.

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#106 menes777
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[QUOTE="always_explicit"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

boundaries of how far people will let their rights taken away by bad marketing? there is nothing innovative about x1, its tech its even lower than ps4 yet it infringes every consumer right. So if your future is having to pay for everything and having to ask permission to corporations to play what you already paid for because they didnt sell it, only lent it to you go ahead.

Krelian-co

Except your just being a gigantic drama queen with sand in your vagina We both know we will get our discs and play our games with ease. The difference is Microsoft are pushing the steam model and new controller interfacing. The PSbore is an upgrade, not a next gen console...all it has is Specifications. If i wanted specs I would be a PC gamer.

garbage post, no i dont have to just accept microsoft garbage policies.  And loled at the steam part, steam doesnt have the bs drm, is a one time activation and the good thing about steam is the cheap game prices, thats why it has been succesful, xbox live wont have that and will have the most stupid drm ever, so no, they are not even close. Also steam is free. 

Not to mentiong change ius not the problem here, the problem is when they are changing from consoles today to a piece of crap console made for M$ to take away consumers right, i dont see anything innovative that is GOOD FOR THE PLAYERS.

Exactly, if Xbots think that MS is going to follow Steam they are deluded.  MS might tell you that to buy the console but they are never going to give you the deals that PC gamers get.  It's just not in their business model for the Xbox.  If Sony were to start offering such great deals then they would definitely follow their lead, but until then they have no incentive to do so (and no customer satisification has never been incentive enough before).  MS is doing what's good for MS period.

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Depends on what you mean by "fail".  If "fail" means allowing Sony to grab the console power base back, then yeah they will fail.  It wont be an Xbox vs PS2 fail though.  I dont think they will sell as many consoles as they did with 360.  Microsoft will have to learn the same lessons Sony did with PS3 on pricing and exclusive catalog.  The question is can they do it?  Can they get the price down and expand their exclusive catalog in a way we never saw them do on 360?  

 

We saw Sony do that on PS3 while adding titles like Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Last of Us, Infamous...all names that are spoken in the same sentence with the likes of God of War, MGS, and Gran Turismo.   

-ArchAngeL-777-

Personally after watching Sony recover from the horrible start of the ps3 in 2006, I fully expect MS to get their ass whipped. The 360 had:

1. a year lead

2. was 200 bucks cheaper

3. Had massive 3rd party support

4. Had much better online multiplayer

5. Had megaton gears

After all that the ps3 not only comes back but is dead even or maybe even passed the 360. Do you really think that Sony is going screw this up. Many people forgot about the ps1/2 that kicked major ass.

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#108 Jakandsigz
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The X1 wont fail in any sense of the word. MS have teh moneh.

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Zune.

They barely invested in that at the start.
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#109 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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Right, I am going to write something really unpopular right now.

X1 Won't fail. Part of the reason that it will not fail is the following:

1) The X1 is shunned by the "core gamers" that will be you, me and most other people on sites like this, but the sad truth is that people like us are one of the smallest minorities of the gaming consumer. IF initial sales fail, MS will simply apply dumping prices to the console, and you will have to watch as sales explode. The livingroom is by far the area which has the most revenue in the house. For any kind of 3rd Party the cost can break a company, but Box manufactors DO make profit on near everything. Also if the sub model is true, then cable companies will likely push consumers for an X1. Since most of the consumers are not like people on here (for reference look at the Wii sales), they will buy it with little or no question, most families with smaller children will opt for an x1 over a PS4 at a lower pricepoint. Kids are more expensive then anyone can imagine (except if they have kids).

2) The X1 does not really feel like it aims soley at the Gamers, basicly I thik the X1 can be quite popular and profitable as an entertainment box alone, it even felt like gamers were not the target for most of what they did with it. it is a mass consumer general entertainment box. (For us here, it is pretty much multimedia pc minus the freedom of choice, for most of the world that is appealing, and less frightening).

3) Alot of people are stupid. No I am not calling people here stupid, even those who like the X1, this is not really aimed at one group, but people in general. Buy enough adverticement on shows people watch, and spend enough money on adverts and people will consider the X1 the next comming. A huge jump in tech which the world have never seen (despite it is barely what weve had access to for the last 10 years). But the majority will be influenced enough, and not do any research into th rather draconic areas of the X1s consumer practices. Even if we all stood and yelled that no one should ever buy one, our voices would simply be drowned out, not be heard under the huge marketing machine.

4) MS always have the "Apple Route" Apple spent alot of cash on pretty much unfounded smear campaigns against all other PC brands by making false claims, and pretty much quietly taking the hits in the courtrooms in the world. How many of you still think that apple produces the most durable pieces of tech? They do not, not in PCs, in phones, or even the MP3 players. It is not more secure (infact it is quite easy to hack, there is an european hacking contest every year, and Apple tends to be one of the first to get cracked at these security contests) Nevertheless, this is not an anti apple thread (Alot of corperations do this ther eare very few ethical corperations in the world), but merely to point out something which works rather well for MS if the sales are low.

Unrelates: Since this is just for this gen, this is unrelated. But MS will not leave the livingroom area fight. Again due to the revenue one can garner. I think that MS would gladly suffer 10 years of bleeding cash on the X1, if only they can stay in the buisness, in a worst case, they can pretty much in 10 years, go on stage, and say "yeah We done goofed, but now we are doing right" and people will love them. Just Look at Sony this Gen, pretty much the exact same thing. Doing something like this, might cause an explosive following.

no-scope-AK47

So let me see if I get this right the most expensive and least powerful console with the most restrictions is the best console ??

Sorry I call bs on that. Now if the ps4 had no games then just maybe the spybox would have a shot but that is not the case. Hell if the wii u drops down to 300 and gets some games then most likely the x1 will be in last place. IMO the x1 has the least value out of the big three.

Oh make no mistake, none of the points I made were points as to how the X1 would "win" such terms do not really exist outside of sites like these.

The points I made were about the sad facts that MS has more then enough chances to get the X1 moving by truckloads.

As you might have noticed on the points they do not apply to anyone visiting sites like this on a regular basis, the people the industry like to refer to as "core gamers." I assure that if MS starts a pricedump on their consoles the image will shift fast, most people never reads small print, and so far every generation of consoles the victor have been determined on pricepoint basicly. The average Joe will speed out and pick up one of these "great deals"

If you were sharp and read through the points they are not exactly praise for MS, quite the opposite, as well as a general critique of the average consumer. I would hate to see the X1 be sucessful at any stretch, but I am not so foolish as to belive that MS will simply roll over, just wait for the hordes of soccer wives stampeding out to buy them when their favorite shows have demonstrations and hosts "up in arms of how good it is".

In truth even if we look at the much feared smear campaign that MS could pull, they need look no further then this gen to get alot of good ammo against Sony (breaking promises, huge security breach and so on).

I predict a very ugly COnsole Generation where the gloves are off,