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#1 fistoflight
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Well SO4 will officially be on three disc whats your thoughts on this? Any comments on blu ray is useless now?

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/12/06/xbox-360-star-ocean-needs-3-dvds-why-microsoft-needs-blu-ray/

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#2 njean777
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still will buy it dont care
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#3 BumFluff122
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Who cares? It's not like you're going to have to get up and change the disks every few minutes. More than likely it is going to be 1/3 of the story or 1/3 os the world which is where you are going to have to change disks.
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#4 Ringx55
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Lol, disc swapping sucks....
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#5 yoshi_64
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Don't know how that really affects my enjoyment personally. If the price is still $60 bucks then what does it matter?
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#6 PS3Breeder
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Are you goping to make thread about Last remnant being on two disc, infiniteundiscovery on 2 disc, Lost opdyssey on 4 disc. are you going to make a thread about those ?

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#7 Shafftehr
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Well SO4 will officially be on three disc whats your thoughts on this? Any comments on blu ray is useless now?

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/12/06/xbox-360-star-ocean-needs-3-dvds-why-microsoft-needs-blu-ray/

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The fact that it is appearing on a non-Blu-Ray system and working perfectly fine pretty much confirms that blu-ray is useless. That's my comment.
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#8 Nike_Air
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How much more does it really cost to go 3 discs over blu-ray though ? Anyone have any clue ?

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#9 fistoflight
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Are you goping to make thread about Last remnant being on two disc, infiniteundiscovery on 2 disc, Lost opdyssey on 4 disc. are you going to make a thread about those ?

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Only when the blu ray is useless comments stops :P jk Just wanted to see waht everyone thinks about it.

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#10 jeezers
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[QUOTE="Ringx55"]Lol, disc swapping sucks.... [/QUOTE you think that bad i used to play legend of dragoon on ps1 6 disks....... but i loved that fu**ing game
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#11 BumFluff122
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How much more does it really cost to go 3 discs over blu-ray though ? Anyone have any clue ?

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Probably about 10 to 50 cents. Blank disks aren't that expensive when bought in bulk.
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#12 ahmedkandil
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beats sitting through an install time.
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#13 Blue-Sky
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I can't believe people are seriously trying to debate with the TC.

You people must be really bored, because mutli-disc RPGs have been releasing on the 360 for quite some time now.

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#14 BumFluff122
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I can't believe people are seriously trying to debate with the TC.

You people must be really bored, because mutli-disc RPGs have been releasing on the 360 for quite some time now.

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Debating is what SW is made for.
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#15 dotWithShoes
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I can't believe people are seriously trying to debate with the TC.

You people must be really bored, because mutli-disc RPGs have been releasing on the 360 for quite some time now.

Blue-Sky
Multidisc RPG's have been releasing for consoles for a really long time now.
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#16 II_Seraphim_II
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I have nothing against switching discs, its just the prospect of losing or scratching one disc that really annoys me. nothing is more frustrating than losing a single disc and then searching for it for ever. You cant exactly justify buying the game again because it would feel like a waste, but at the same time you cant find the one disc you need. The horror! :cry:
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#17 Nike_Air
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

How much more does it really cost to go 3 discs over blu-ray though ? Anyone have any clue ?

BumFluff122

Probably about 10 to 50 cents. Blank disks aren't that expensive when bought in bulk.

Do they have to pay Microsoft royalties for every disc they need to produce or is that just sku based ?

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#18 MrGrimFandango
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3rd one was on 2 discs, I liked it, I could care less.
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#19 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

How much more does it really cost to go 3 discs over blu-ray though ? Anyone have any clue ?

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Probably about 10 to 50 cents. Blank disks aren't that expensive when bought in bulk.

Do they have to pay Microsoft royalties for every disc they need to produce or is that just sku based ?

I have no idea. I was merely stating that blank DVDs bought in bulk are very very cheap which is probably the reason why games for PC and such haven't began releasing on blu-ray becacuse it's so much more expensive. And yes there are blu-ray drives though they cost an arm and a leg.
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#20 WatchmenWatchUs
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I need to upgrade my HDD I'm done with Lost Odyssey anyway. I"ll delete that off my HDD if I haven't upgraded by then
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#21 jasonharris48
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I can care less one blu-ray disc or 3 DVD 9 disc. The big question is it going to be anything like SO3? I hope not
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#22 jakarai
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

How much more does it really cost to go 3 discs over blu-ray though ? Anyone have any clue ?

Nike_Air

Probably about 10 to 50 cents. Blank disks aren't that expensive when bought in bulk.

Do they have to pay Microsoft royalties for every disc they need to produce or is that just sku based ?

Yup I know you remember John Carmack complaining about that?
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#23 Pripyat
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The good thing about multiple discs is that you can lend the game to a friend without finishing the whole thing first.
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#24 Puckhog04
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How do more discs impact gameplay? Who cares, honestly.
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#25 jakarai
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The good thing about multiple discs is that you can lend the game to a friend without finishing the whole thing first.Pripyat
The bad thing is if your friend looses one of the disc you will never be able to play that game again from start to finish.(without buying a new copy) Happened to me once. :?
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#26 FirstDiscovery
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Multiple discs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandatory installs Yes Blu-Ray has only held back the PS3 so far:|
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#27 Toriko42
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I'm definately going to get it anyways, disc swapping never hurt me. I did it for many gens before.
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#28 world69star69
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

How much more does it really cost to go 3 discs over blu-ray though ? Anyone have any clue ?

Nike_Air

Probably about 10 to 50 cents. Blank disks aren't that expensive when bought in bulk.

Do they have to pay Microsoft royalties for every disc they need to produce or is that just sku based ?

Yes this type of licensing was confirmed by John Carmack, Rage will only be on 2 discs on 360 when it needs 3, but the licensing is too high, so instead they are decreasing the texture quality and sound quality in the xbox version. The ps3 version will use full textures and full sound... The only games that don't get licensing fees from M$ are games published by M$ like lost odyseey ...but m$ did payoff se so who knows?
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#29 FirstDiscovery
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[QUOTE="Pripyat"]The good thing about multiple discs is that you can lend the game to a friend without finishing the whole thing first.jakarai
The bad thing is if your friend looses one of the disc you will never be able to play that game again from start to finish.(without buying a new copy) Happened to me once. :?

And if you lose one disc on a one disc game then you cant play anything:|
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#30 Colt45fool
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I'll still buy it :)
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#31 planbfreak4eva
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have fun swapping disks ppl...wait till forza 3 and it is on 2 disks if u ppl didnt know
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#32 FirstDiscovery
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have fun swapping disks ppl...wait till forza 3 and it is on 2 disks if u ppl didnt knowplanbfreak4eva
Well have fun playing the game;)
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#33 GranReyUno
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Swapping disk is not a big deal and is not rare when it comes to RPGs on consoles. The only bad affect that multiple disk have on game play is when one of the disk gets lost or damaged the game becomes pretty useless.
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#34 planbfreak4eva
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[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]have fun swapping disks ppl...wait till forza 3 and it is on 2 disks if u ppl didnt knowFirstDiscovery
Well have fun playing the game;)

i dont own 360 and if i did, i wouldnt get it.coz its cr*p
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#35 FirstDiscovery
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]have fun swapping disks ppl...wait till forza 3 and it is on 2 disks if u ppl didnt knowplanbfreak4eva
Well have fun playing the game;)

i dont own 360 and if i did, i wouldnt get it.coz its cr*p

Right offcourse it is:lol:
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#36 Salt_The_Fries
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i dont own 360 and if i did, i wouldnt get it.coz its cr*pplanbfreak4eva
That was uncalled-for.
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#37 bethwo
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I don't know why but if this was on PS3 I have a feeling that there is a 50/50 chance that you have to take 5 minutes to install the game at 3 periods during the course of the game, like in MGS4.

Blu Ray might save you having to get up, but I would rather do that than wait 5 minutes.

Who knows? Maybe the PS3 wouldn't need to install it multiple times....

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#38 blue663544
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Well the idea that you can lose or damage a single disk and the entire game becomes unplayable isn't fun. I lost the first disk of Metal Gear Solid so I can't play it. I don't want to buy it again because I had an original MGS and I don't want some greatest hits one. Also, what do I do with the second disk? Sell it on ebay with the case? Having one disk just make it easier. Especially with games that have 3 or 4 disks like Final Fantasy 7 and 8(games I own).

Also I think the idea of multi-disks games are kinda of thought of as in the past. I can't recall either the PS2 or Xbox having multi-disks games, don't know about gamecube. This is just me trying to remember off the top of my head. But going back to something that happened 2 generations ago seems like a a step backwards. Not hating on the topic, just saying that's how some people may feel.

If multi-disk games are a problem, and mandatory installs are a problem, I have a idea! Use cartridges! They load faster then disks, and the way storage is going, you could probably fit a lot on cartridges. My little usb stick can hold 8 gigs and it's as big as my thumb! Imagine what a cartridge the size of dvd could hold! That's a lot of gigs! Plus they're harder to break! Ok I'm done.

Guess the sarcasm...

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#39 IshmaelSonata
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this is good news, 3 disks = long game with good cineamtics.
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#40 DigitalDecay77
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No problem with multiple disks myself. Would definatley buy it...if I could :(.

i dont own 360 and if i did, i wouldnt get it.coz its cr*pplanbfreak4eva


Disregard that. I don't own a 360, this game is going to be terrible.

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#41 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]The good thing about multiple discs is that you can lend the game to a friend without finishing the whole thing first.FirstDiscovery
The bad thing is if your friend looses one of the disc you will never be able to play that game again from start to finish.(without buying a new copy) Happened to me once. :?

And if you lose one disc on a one disc game then you cant play anything:|

yeah but atleast you just buy the new game right there and then. With multiple discs, undecisiveness comes in...Should i buy the game again? Will i ever find that 1 lost disc? what should I do!? :cry: :P
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#42 ReaperV7
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ya make an article saying how M$ needs blu-ray :roll: .....its not gonna happen.....maybe with xbox 720...but not this gen.
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#43 FirstDiscovery
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="jakarai"] The bad thing is if your friend looses one of the disc you will never be able to play that game again from start to finish.(without buying a new copy) Happened to me once. :?

And if you lose one disc on a one disc game then you cant play anything:|

yeah but atleast you just buy the new game right there and then. With multiple discs, undecisiveness comes in...Should i buy the game again? Will i ever find that 1 lost disc? what should I do!? :cry: :P

Ask for a disc replacement, costs you far less than buying the game again:P
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#44 WilliamRLBaker
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So many people oh but what if you scratch a disc?!.......um yeah if you have a problem of so sevrely scratching a disc then thats not the least of your problems.....Its not hard to take a disc from the case by the sides then put it in your system...then take it from your system and put it back in the case. P.S: nearly all companies have replacement disc plans like 10 dollars to replace the disc...
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#45 WatchmenWatchUs
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Installs and multiple disc both suck Stop arguing about it shut up. Enjoy the game. Neither is better then the other
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#46 Supabul
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Japanese RGP developers need to learn some compressing techniques, they should try asking Bethesda, Rockstar or Udisoft. How the hell was lost Odyssey on 4 discs when epic games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, GTA4 and Assassins Creed fit on one.
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#47 jg4xchamp
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I will enjoy it... Lost Odyssey was on 4 discs.... and it was fun...
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#48 GranReyUno
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Japanese RGP developers need to learn some compressing techniques, they should try asking Bethesda, Rockstar or Udisoft. How the hell was lost Odyssey on 4 discs when epic games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, GTA4 and Assassins Creed fit on one. paul265
You forget how many long cut scenes are in RPGs. I like games that do not use compression. You get a better build with the sound and visual quality.
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#49 InfinityMugen
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still will buy it dont carenjean777
Agreed.
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#50 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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The only reason it's on 3 discs - the same reason for Blue Dragon, Lost Odessey and Last Remnant being on multiple discs - is that Japanese developers haven't let go of their dependance on CGI video for cut scenes. This is an outdated method that is unnecessary today when in-game graphics engines are more than capable of beautifully depicting the cinematics in story telling. Just look at WRPGs like Mass Effect, Oblivion, and Fallout 3, that are loaded with hours of gameplay, and still fit on a single DVD9.

Now I can already see the counter-argument. "Adobe, you're complaining about CGI video being outdated and unnecessary with better alternatives available. Can't the same be said of DVD9 today when there's a better alternative in BluRay?" The difference is, Blu Ray costs the gamer more in money, whereas the implementation of in-game cinematics rendering over CGI costs us nothing, and still allows games to fit on 1 disc. Plus Blu Ray being in it's early stages of technical development still carries hinderances to gaming, mainly in the form of slower drive speeds to DVD.