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#101 vashkey
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]killzone 1 didnt have jumping and they added it in killzone2. how come killzone dev's arent scared to improve gameplay and gears of war fans are afraid of change?

They both changed, just in different ways. Gears doesn't need jumping. If you don't like it stop whining and go play something has jumping in it instead.

it does need jumping because im sick of having to walk down a staircase just to get to a lower level when if i had a jump i could of just jumped over the railing and got down there faster.

Then play something that lets you do it. Not every game needs to play the same.
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#102 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]killzone 1 didnt have jumping and they added it in killzone2. how come killzone dev's arent scared to improve gameplay and gears of war fans are afraid of change?

They both changed, just in different ways. Gears doesn't need jumping. If you don't like it stop whining and go play something has jumping in it instead.

it does need jumping because im sick of having to walk down a staircase just to get to a lower level when if i had a jump i could of just jumped over the railing and got down there faster.

jumping would just look stupid in gear and it plays great with out it. why not just play something else that doesn't upset you so much
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#103 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="vashkey"] They both changed, just in different ways. Gears doesn't need jumping. If you don't like it stop whining and go play something has jumping in it instead.

it does need jumping because im sick of having to walk down a staircase just to get to a lower level when if i had a jump i could of just jumped over the railing and got down there faster.

Then play something that lets you do it. Not every game needs to play the same.

if not every game needs to play the same then why does gears of war need play like winback or killswitch?
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#104 NWA90s
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it sure will get you more addicted because SP is something you play 2-3 times and thats it. MP where you can put 100+ hours to and socom 4 will be all about the MP, the sp is just a bonus for me
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#105 callofdutyzone3
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dude i grew up playing epicgame's freaking games before gears of war crap existed. They should listen to their real fanbase who actually know gameplay.
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#106 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]dude i grew up playing epicgame's freaking games before gears of war crap existed. They should listen to their real fanbase who actually know gameplay.

jumping you mean
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#107 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]dude i grew up playing epicgame's freaking games before gears of war crap existed. They should listen to their real fanbase who actually know gameplay.

jumping you mean

ive been playing shooters so long i know for a fact no jumping ruins gameplay and level design. original doom you couldnt jump and quake 1# you could jump, quake 1's level design/gameplay was about 10x better.
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#108 callofdutyzone3
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duke nukem 64 had more complex level design than goldeneye 64 or perfect dark 64 and 007 and pdz used more advanced graphics engines. the reason duke's levels were better because you could freaking jump.
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#109 krunkfu2
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op is mad because he doesn't know how to use the game mechanics to move efficiently around the map

learn to play op

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#110 Twin-Blade
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Fun > Realism. Rolling is the bomb diggity, the bees knees. Can't wait for Gears 3.

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#111 callofdutyzone3
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op is mad because he doesn't know how to use the game mechanics to move efficiently around the map

learn to play op

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i dont want to follow a linear path set by dev, i want to set my own routes around a level without jump i cant do it. you kids just havent been playing shooters long enough to realize how much no jumping ruins gameplay.
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#112 callofdutyzone3
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Fun > Realism. Rolling is the bomb diggity, the bees knees. Can't wait for Gears 3.

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sure it is. perfect dark zero xbox360 has crappy level design compared to quake 1996. The reason? quake has jumping PDZ doesnt and has rolling instead.
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#113 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="krunkfu2"]

op is mad because he doesn't know how to use the game mechanics to move efficiently around the map

learn to play op

callofdutyzone3
i dont want to follow a linear path set by dev, i want to set my own routes around a level without jump i cant do it. you kids just havent been playing shooters long enough to realize how much no jumping ruins gameplay.

im 32 and been playing the same games you have for as long as you have. and guess what... i love gears.
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#114 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="krunkfu2"]

op is mad because he doesn't know how to use the game mechanics to move efficiently around the map

learn to play op

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i dont want to follow a linear path set by dev, i want to set my own routes around a level without jump i cant do it. you kids just havent been playing shooters long enough to realize how much no jumping ruins gameplay.

im 32 and been playing the same games you have for as long as you have. and guess what... i love gears.

were you playing unreal back in 1998 on a 3dfx voodoo graphics card? if not your opinion doesnt mean much.
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dude i grew up playing epicgame's freaking games before gears of war crap existed. They should listen to their real fanbase who actually know gameplay.callofdutyzone3

Their fanbase is made up of people that bought the game...the millions of them. And the online community is still going strong, seeing that Gears 2 is still one of the most played XBL titles. The fanbase has spoken. It seems to be doing just fine without being able to jump.

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#116 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]dude i grew up playing epicgame's freaking games before gears of war crap existed. They should listen to their real fanbase who actually know gameplay.VoodooHak

Their fanbase is made up of people that bought the game...the millions of them. And the online community is still going strong, seeing that Gears 2 is still one of the most played XBL titles. The fanbase has spoken. It seems to be doing just fine without being able to jump.

without people who like me who bought epicgames game's on the computer over 10 years ago gears of war wouldnt exist. believe me gears of war need's a jump.
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#117 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"] i dont want to follow a linear path set by dev, i want to set my own routes around a level without jump i cant do it. you kids just havent been playing shooters long enough to realize how much no jumping ruins gameplay.

im 32 and been playing the same games you have for as long as you have. and guess what... i love gears.

were you playing unreal back in 1998 on a 3dfx voodoo graphics card? if not your opinion doesnt mean much.

why would it not mean much.
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#118 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"] im 32 and been playing the same games you have for as long as you have. and guess what... i love gears.

were you playing unreal back in 1998 on a 3dfx voodoo graphics card? if not your opinion doesnt mean much.

why would it not mean much.

you wouldnt understand.
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#119 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"] were you playing unreal back in 1998 on a 3dfx voodoo graphics card? if not your opinion doesnt mean much.

why would it not mean much.

you wouldnt understand.

fair enough
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#120 callofdutyzone3
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Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.
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#121 turtlethetaffer
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Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.callofdutyzone3

Not all games need a jump buttong. Some do, some don't. It's called different mechanics. next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda needs a jump button.

Also, hyping something before it's released leads to dissappointment.

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#123 Twin-Blade
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You must be a troll. A dedicated jump button would be so pointless & out of place in a Gears game. The guys look like they're wearing a car anyway, it would look ridiculous if they could jump around. Being able to haul over obstacles is perfect.

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#124 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.turtlethetaffer

Not all games need a jump buttong. Some do, some don't. It's called different mechanics. next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda needs a jump button.

Also, hyping something before it's released leads to dissappointment.

plenty of cover based shooters without jump exist like mafia . there's not enough cover based shooters with a jump button actually, there's more cover based shooters without a jump. when it comes to cover system shooters no jumping is more cliched.
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#125 callofdutyzone3
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You must be a troll. A dedicated jump button would be so pointless & out of place in a Gears game. The guys look like they're wearing a car anyway, it would look ridiculous if they could jump around. Being able to haul over obstacles is perfect.

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nope i cant even jump over a railing dude. that's proof no jumping sucks
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#126 VoodooHak
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]dude i grew up playing epicgame's freaking games before gears of war crap existed. They should listen to their real fanbase who actually know gameplay.callofdutyzone3

Their fanbase is made up of people that bought the game...the millions of them. And the online community is still going strong, seeing that Gears 2 is still one of the most played XBL titles. The fanbase has spoken. It seems to be doing just fine without being able to jump.

without people who like me who bought epicgames game's on the computer over 10 years ago gears of war wouldnt exist. believe me gears of war need's a jump.

You're not the only one who bought Epic games over ten years ago. It's not like it matters how many copies of Unreal you bought how many years ago. What matters to them is the millions of people that are playing their game now.

Epic will cater to the majority of those that are still playing the game. So no. No jump necessary. There's plenty of other things going on in the game to render jumping rather irrelevent.

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[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"] i dont want to follow a linear path set by dev, i want to set my own routes around a level without jump i cant do it. you kids just havent been playing shooters long enough to realize how much no jumping ruins gameplay.callofdutyzone3
im 32 and been playing the same games you have for as long as you have. and guess what... i love gears.

were you playing unreal back in 1998 on a 3dfx voodoo graphics card? if not your opinion doesnt mean much.

I am 100% sure you never even touched a consoles, not even a PC game. when you dislike a game just because you can't jump, your opinion means nothing, if you need to jump, your playing the game wrong, I guess you must love halo, because you can bunny hump?

99% of the time, when you are moving or shooting someone, you are not jumping...you shouldnt even be jumping while shooting

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#128 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Their fanbase is made up of people that bought the game...the millions of them. And the online community is still going strong, seeing that Gears 2 is still one of the most played XBL titles. The fanbase has spoken. It seems to be doing just fine without being able to jump.

VoodooHak

without people who like me who bought epicgames game's on the computer over 10 years ago gears of war wouldnt exist. believe me gears of war need's a jump.

You're not the only one who bought Epic games over ten years ago. It's not like it matters how many copies of Unreal you bought how many years ago. What matters to them is the millions of people that are playing their game now.

Epic will cater to the majority of those that are still playing the game. So no. No jump necessary. There's plenty of other things going on in the game to render jumping rather irrelevent.

rolling is irrelevant because it doesnt help me jump over a railing and you cant vault over a railing in gears of war. so that proves jumping is more relevant than barrell rolling.
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#129 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"] im 32 and been playing the same games you have for as long as you have. and guess what... i love gears. gamer-adam1

were you playing unreal back in 1998 on a 3dfx voodoo graphics card? if not your opinion doesnt mean much.

I am 100% sure you never even touched a consoles, not even a PC game. when you dislike a game just because you can't jump, your opinion means nothing, if you need to jump, your playing the game wrong, I guess you must love halo, because you can bunny hump?

99% of the time, when you are moving or shooting someone, you are not jumping...you shouldnt even be jumping while shooting

if you knew anything about video games you'd know u cant bunnyhop in halo.
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#130 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.callofdutyzone3

Not all games need a jump buttong. Some do, some don't. It's called different mechanics. next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda needs a jump button.

Also, hyping something before it's released leads to dissappointment.

plenty of cover based shooters without jump exist like mafia . there's not enough cover based shooters with a jump button actually, there's more cover based shooters without a jump. when it comes to cover system shooters no jumping is more cliched.

So to you, Jumping instantly makes a game better? Even when it's not necessary? Really interesting. But there's more to a game than being able to jump. Man, I can't beleive I'm typing this...

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#131 callofdutyzone3
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what's up with everyones stereotype jumping=shooting in midair/bunnyhopping socom 4 and killzone2/3 have jump and you cant jump and shoot your gun in midair. so why cant gears of war do this same ****
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#132 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Not all games need a jump buttong. Some do, some don't. It's called different mechanics. next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda needs a jump button.

Also, hyping something before it's released leads to dissappointment.

turtlethetaffer

plenty of cover based shooters without jump exist like mafia . there's not enough cover based shooters with a jump button actually, there's more cover based shooters without a jump. when it comes to cover system shooters no jumping is more cliched.

So to you, Jumping instantly makes a game better? Even when it's not necessary? Really interesting. But there's more to a game than being able to jump. Man, I can't beleive I'm typing this...

did you even grow up playing mario on nes or snes?
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#133 callofdutyzone3
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mario would be better without a jump button...rolls eyes
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#134 Blaze-Agent
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with my experiences, socom is definately the funnner game. IMO. Single player and Multiplayer wise.

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#135 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"] plenty of cover based shooters without jump exist like mafia . there's not enough cover based shooters with a jump button actually, there's more cover based shooters without a jump. when it comes to cover system shooters no jumping is more cliched.callofdutyzone3

So to you, Jumping instantly makes a game better? Even when it's not necessary? Really interesting. But there's more to a game than being able to jump. Man, I can't beleive I'm typing this...

did you even grow up playing mario on nes or snes?

You clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. Not all games need jumping to work. Some, like Mario (beleive me, I know) need jumping to work. The games is built around it, in fact. But a game like a cover based Third Person Shooter doesn't, because the cover system is good (usually). Don't twist my words so that they sound like an idiot's rambling.

Next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda should have a jump button.

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#136 Vinegar_Strokes
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mario would be better without a jump button...rolls eyes callofdutyzone3
good point
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#137 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

So to you, Jumping instantly makes a game better? Even when it's not necessary? Really interesting. But there's more to a game than being able to jump. Man, I can't beleive I'm typing this...

turtlethetaffer

did you even grow up playing mario on nes or snes?

You clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. Not all games need jumping to work. Some, like Mario (beleive me, I know) need jumping to work. The games is built around it, in fact. But a game like a cover based Third Person Shooter doesn't, because the cover system is good (usually). Don't twist my words so that they sound like an idiot's rambling.

Next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda should have a jump button.

All games actually need a jump to have some freedom. Watch this video of socom 4 i made....you cannot fire your weapon while jumping. Why would anyone be against adding this in gears of war? WTF http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ffbztk&s=7
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#138 vashkey
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Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.callofdutyzone3
With this kind of logic Pokemon should have been a Mario clone. Epic owes you nothing. For the money you spent you got Unreal. Thats the trade, they owe you nothing else. They shouldn't have to make every game cater to the same exact group of people.

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what's up with everyones stereotype jumping=shooting in midair/bunnyhopping socom 4 and killzone2/3 have jump and you cant jump and shoot your gun in midair. so why cant gears of war do this same ****callofdutyzone3

please troll harder, you can get over obstacles in gears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPC_ibBJiQ

watch at 1:20

he jumps over a obstacle

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#140 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.

With this kind of logic Pokemon should have been a Mario clone. Epic owes you nothing. You for the money you spent you Unreal. Thats the trade, they owe you nothing else. They shouldn't have to make every game cater to the same exact group of people.

jumping=doesnt bunnyhopping video proof http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ffbztk&s=7
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#141 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"] did you even grow up playing mario on nes or snes? callofdutyzone3

You clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. Not all games need jumping to work. Some, like Mario (beleive me, I know) need jumping to work. The games is built around it, in fact. But a game like a cover based Third Person Shooter doesn't, because the cover system is good (usually). Don't twist my words so that they sound like an idiot's rambling.

Next thing you'll tell me is that Zelda should have a jump button.

All games actually need a jump to have some freedom. Watch this video of socom 4 i made....you cannot fire your weapon while jumping. Why would anyone be against adding this in gears of war? WTF http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ffbztk&s=7

Not all games need it. Why is your argument based soleley on jumping? Plenty of great games don't have jumping. Are you some kind of troll?

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#142 callofdutyzone3
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http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ffbztk&s=7 if gears of war had jumping like that the gameplay and level design would be alot better that's just a fact of life.
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#143 vashkey
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mario would be better without a jump button...rolls eyes callofdutyzone3
The difference between Mario and Gears is that Mario is about jumping. Gears is not. It's not built jumping at all.
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#144 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]mario would be better without a jump button...rolls eyes vashkey
The difference between Mario and Gears is that Mario is about jumping. Gears is not. It's not built jumping at all.

Wha- Did you just use logic? How dare you!

Anyways, TC, I see there's no reasoning with you, so we're done.

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#145 callofdutyzone3
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jumping + rolling> rolling jumping>>>rolling
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#146 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]jumping + rolling> rolling jumping>>>rolling

good point
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#147 vashkey
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]Umm hello without people like me buying unreal back in 1998 on pc this stupid ass gears of war franchise wouldnt exist. gears of war need's a dedicated jump button im epicgames real fanbase not people saying it doesnt need jump.

With this kind of logic Pokemon should have been a Mario clone. Epic owes you nothing. You for the money you spent you Unreal. Thats the trade, they owe you nothing else. They shouldn't have to make every game cater to the same exact group of people.

jumping=doesnt bunnyhopping video proof http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ffbztk&s=7

This is not a couter to anything I just said. Try again.
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#148 callofdutyzone3
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the real reason gears of war 1# sold good because it was a visual benchmark for xbox360 back in 2006. So why the hell is everyone against changing gameplay when people never praised it to begin with?
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#149 callofdutyzone3
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[QUOTE="callofdutyzone3"]mario would be better without a jump button...rolls eyes vashkey
The difference between Mario and Gears is that Mario is about jumping. Gears is not. It's not built jumping at all.

you shoot stuff in mario sunshine with ur water cannon epic fail.
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#150 callofdutyzone3
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reason socom 1 sold decently? because it was one of the first online shooters for ps2. gameplay isnt reason gears of war sold good that's for damn sure.