Software is what will determine Nintendo NX's Future NOT HARDWARE!

That list of games is overwhelming. Nintendo is killing the competition.

@Pedro: yes because thats exactly what I was trying to argue. Congrats on your laser point focus sherlock

Calm down buddy. Did my response offend you?

That's a pretty big edit.

If you're content with Nintendo putting out this shit, more power to you. I, for myself, tend to remember a time when they did games like SMG (those games of which will be remembered for generations). Do you honestly think those you listed, good as they are, will be? They will be noted as nothing more but memorable for the system they reside on, NOT in relevance to overall gaming itself as past Nintendo games have been. There are Nintendo games that are good, and then they're Nintendo games that are so good they transcend any actual hardware to speak on the entire medium and set standards for it itself. Nothing on the U has done that, and if they have, show me a game that has.

@MirkoS77: so its gotta be a zero sum game of perfection to be worth a damn? I mean Splatoon is probably gonna mark the start of a strong IP for nintendo but that doesn't count because reasons?

Again I'll ask you do you honestly believe all those games are garbage?

Contrary to popular belief, I think the Wii U has a pretty solid collection of games and I managed to get alot of games for the system myself. I think what really hurt the Wii U was:

1. the biggest hitters they've had (Mario Kart 8, Smash 4, Splatoon), didn't come out until much later in the Wii U's lifespan.
2. Nintendo's piss poor marketing, naming, branding for the Wii U (people not knowing the Wii U exists or thinking it's a Wii add-on)
3. Nintendo's overall branding or image (ie they aren't exactly the "cool" thing like they used to be in terms of how the whole market views them)

So yeah, having a much stronger launch for the NX, as well as making sure people actually understand what the hell the NX is (and not just hardcore gamers), would really help. Wouldn't really know how to fix the third issue however. Maybe those "playing with power" ads or ither such ads Nintendo used to do were alot more important than I used to think they were...

Alright, granted. I don't think they're all garbage, that's just my frustration speaking. I'm thinking more of Federation Force, Mario Tennis, Amiibo Festival. If that's what Nintendo deems as being suitable, it's not going to work. Nintendo needs to do more if they wish to succeed better with the NX, for as much as games like Splatoon and Xeno help, they seem to be fine with putting out these other half-assed games that could be hard pressed to warrant .90$ on an app store, much less $49+.

How can they excuse these games?

@MirkoS77: fair enough you wont see me defending ultra smash or amiibo festival. Still its annoying when people just point to those as if those were the only games nintendo has made recently and nothing else

Well I wouldn't jump on Federation Force quite yet. Will it be bad? Probably. Or at the very least, mediocre. I won't lie, Nintendo hasn't been putting out many groundbreaking games recently, though I feel the fact that their basically the only ones supporting their console with big games has led to some decline in the quality of games as quotas have to be met, (no matter how small they seem, in reference to the long period droughts) games HAVE to roll out so the Wii U doesn't completely die out. Of those listed the only really abysmal game was Amiibo Festival, but that "game" was tailored with the amiibo in mind, not the base games. It's disappointing and bad, but it was to give, I suppose, amiibo a purpose to a degree. Though, Amiibo Festival is nowhere near the quality of Skylanders and Disney Infinity which offer a decent base game for you to get your money's worth with the figures. Ultra Smash isn't anything groundbreaking, but it's just a sports game pandering to a certain audience. Does that justify anything? No, not really, but these games have specific audiences in mind to get them interested in the Wii U even if they don't appeal at all to the hardcore crowd. Nintendo makes a lot of bad decisions no doubt about it, but they're trying, and to a degree, struggling to spread itself across many genres to many audiences. That can damage the overall quality as mentioned before, resources are stretched thin and lower employees are making bigger games that really aren't of the highest quality that is expected as they try to achieve that. Shovelware can be found anywhere though, and despite the bad ones, Nintendo has done a good job of still putting out games that I, at least, perceive as fun games, i.e. Smash, Mario Kart 8, 3D World, Yoshi's Woolly World, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Splatoon, Captain Toad, Bayonetta 2, (if you want to count that) Pikmin 3, Pokken Tournament, Tropical Freeze, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse (personally), Super Mario Maker, and a few others. Those are the exclusives I've seen as pretty darn solid games, some of them close to the caliber that is expected or was release last generation like Super Mario Galaxy. All publishers and developers will struggle to put out games that are the best ever, that meet the highest standards we put on them, and in Nintendo's case, they have to because there are no third parties to bail them out for any first party droughts. If Nintendo wins over the third party studios with the NX, I would like to believe that these spectacular games you expect would increase as Nintendo can relax their deadlines and resources as third parties give them much needed leeway with important games getting the time needed to make them wonderful.

Sorry, if my points got a bit incoherent sometimes, I hope I didn't completely lose you in that, but I believe I made a point. :P

@PikminWorld: Nintendo did make some great gems for the Wii U and did help make Bayonetta 2 a reality. The problem stems on their marketing for having a poor launch of software and expecting NintendoLand to be a true successor to Wii Sports from last gen. Granted the marketing blame starts from the top and with Iwata's poor decisions that helped the Wii U to become a failure. It stinks because Wii U will be remembered as an utter failure and a blunder to Iwata's legacy. Here's hoping the NX has some of Iwata's fresh ideas and help regain his long lasting legacy for the future.

nintendo wont do a 4k console. now that sony will release a 4k ps4 nintendo will really have an uphill battle selling the NX

You didn't even read the OP

i skimmed over it but what i said still stands. the console wont be successful without software they are right. only problem is third parties have completely turned their back on nintendo. nintendo cant sell the console on their games alone.

What makes you think that the PS4 will do 4K in games other than Blu-Ray?

It's actually not so much the games that bother me, it's that Nintendo believes they're acceptable. That's what concerns me.

@PikminWorld: no worries, I hear what you're saying.

I'm still waiting on @charizard1605 response.....

Not much to say. I agree (though I didn't read the OP, I agree with the gist that the NX could be as powerful as a potato with a dildo for a controller, and it would still be great if it had a great games lineup).

Maybe you should read the OP then.....

I would, but it's the length of half a Harry Potter book, and I just woke up and don't feel like reading it.

Well then, that's your problem :P

Read it from Sean Malstrom himself.

The problem is nintendo makes mediocre software no one wants.

Sadly, you nintendo fanboys can't understand this and spread lies over the internet claiming nintendo makes quality games. They don't.

If people liked nintendo's games, people would buy them. They aren't.

You need to stop being delusional. No amount of nintendo games will save the NX from flopping hard.

There is no scenario where nintendo can succeed. Nintendo loves gimmicks too much. They ignore their fanbase. They refuse to take a loss on hardware which will mean it will be underpowered. Their online is garbage.

I don't get why nintendo fanboys still have hope for this company. The writing is on the wall. Nintendos future is going 3rd party and making smart phone games.

Your hardware determines which developers want to develop for you so it still ends up being a catch 22.

@shadowchronicle: Nope, developers do not make any of the business decisions. If there is a killer title and a flock of consumers is buying the console for it, developers will follow suit.

right..... but only one of those statements applies to nintendo

Its up the the developers if they want to release that title in the first place. Pressure can be placed on them to release it onto a console but at the end of the day its the rules and system.

Disagree, it's a combination of the two.

Too bad that not everyone seems to agree with that.

I don't expect Nintendo to launch with this hypothetical pipeline--this is seeming more and more like the Wii U all over again.

Why, Yamauchi said it best, ‘People buy the box for Mario’

Iwata: In Nintendo’s past history, (Hiroshi) Yamauchi-san has said, “The hardware is just a box you buy only because you want to play Mario games.” Those were his exact words.

That's cute, but since the N64 Nintendo have had hardly ANY 3rd party support.

Their own games are (on the whole) fantastic, but so few and far between - how long have we been waiting for Zelda now?

Don't get me started on the WiiU's "unprecedented partnership" with EA, not to mention all the software promises Nintendo made regarding 3rd Parties before it launched.

Even Ubisoft gave up on Nintendo.

UBISOFT.

You say that, yet other than the Wii (thanks to the gimmick), Nintendo sales have sucked on consoles.

The Wii had pretty good sales for its generation. Can't say much for some of their other consoles.

They do really well with their portables but they're not consoles.

Well then, they had software to back up the Wii, the N64, GC, and Wii U all had low software pipelines. If you look at the handhelds, they always had an abundance of software.

@93BlackHawk93: Shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup!

That's my point. Not talking about handhelds because it's a different beast. But with consoles, they have really been terrible console sales other than the Wii (after SN).

I mean, he's right. They'll get people who want to play mario, zelda, etc no matter what. But better hardware can help bring everyone else in.

My next question is this, who wants better hardware? You? Okay that's fine, but what about everyone else outside of these forums? Are they demanding better hardware? No, they want the software that will better justify them to spend over $300 to play the games.

PS4 is winning because they have the software to justify buying a PS4 that also includes those marketing rights to Battlefront and Destiny. It also became the platform to get the best Madden and Fifa experience available. If you actually read the entire OP, that's what I was pointing at. What made you buy the Playstation over waiting for the N64? Some gamers left Nintendo because they wanted to play Final Fantasy and it became available only on Playstation.

I'm pretty sure that everyone will agree with one thing here. Nintendo needs completely new first party games, with atleast 1 of them targeting older, more mature gamers.

Also, the NX will be powerful enough to play 3rd party games without much extra effort being put forth by developers. So, as long as Nintendo gets their dev kits into the hands of the more popular third party devs sometime soon, there should be plenty of 3rd party games on their system this time around.

If NX succeeds its because of hardware. Wii U didnt tank because of its software... Hardware is the foundation

Prove it

What aspect?

Wii U did tank because of a poor launch, and confusing marketing, not because of low end hardware. Prove me how it was all about hardware for consoles to sell. You're saying that hardware sells consoles, so I say prove it.

Couldn't agree more- which is why the WiiU was such a letdown for me. Not only quantity but quality has been trending downwards for the past couple years

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/29/8861795/wii-u-failure-gamepad-nintendo-shigeru-miyamoto

Hardware is not the only aspect, but it is the foundation for the system. Marketing and Software can be changed and updated, but hardware should be permanent. The Wii U's hardware was too underwhelming and lacked the intuitive nature of the wii. Many people just didnt care for the hardware, it was too big and intimidating for casuals who jumped on the wii, but too casual for the hardcore crowd. Hardware is the biggest factor in a consoles success. Not the only one, but the largest. Good hardware then attracts other aspects like software

I bought them both.

I didn't say it was just hardware. I said it's both. There is actually much more to it then just those two things though, like advertising and other shit. So saying it's just software (or hardware) is incorrect.

I don't agree, Nintendo had the most weakest launch lineup of the other 2. There was nothing to play on the Wii U, whereas with the Wii, Wii Sports was Nintendo's killer app and the Wii had a weaker hardware. The Wii U could have gotten Destiny, but that went with Sony and Destiny is playable on the Xbox 360 whereas the Wii U was comparable to. You can say how bad Destiny is as a game in terms of reviews, but that was the reason to buy a PS4 over the Wii U and Xbox One (even though Destiny is out for it).

Software, Only On "insert console name" is what helps people to buy the hardware.

Because nobody developed games for it because the hardware was under powered and required extra effort to develop something for the gamepad. The lack of software is due to the hardware.

The wii was inciting because it had cool motion controls. You think people cared about playing golf or bowling on a video game? No, they thought the hardware was cool. Put it on ps4 and it wouldnt sell.

Disagree

No, they loved playing Wii Sports and there are sales that back up that they justify buying a Wii, not because of the hardware. The Wii U was definitely was underpowered, but there are no good games to play on it.