Software is what will determine Nintendo NX's Future NOT HARDWARE!

Hardware determines what games you get. You start with hardware. Your hardware choices inevitably determine choices in your software design. Games sell the system, but only if you have the hardware to get the games in the first place. If you don't adhere to that, you wind up with a Wii U where hardly anyone will develop for it and you miss out on a landslide of software.

Did you read my OP? Because even the PS2 was the weakest against the GC and Xbox and still got all the game sales! I wonder what title helped sparked those sales? I'll give you a hint, it's GTA and ends with a 3.

@FireEmblem_Man: Well it wasn't GTA 3. It was GTA: SA

@FireEmblem_Man: Yeeeessss, and their hardware was adequate for what it needed to do that generation. They had the hardware to get the games.

I know I'm late to the party but I really do hope Nintendo can at least convince Rockstars to bring Grand Theft Auto 6 to NX. There has never been a GTA game on a Nintendo console, it be a huge mistake to not get it for NX and this is the perfect time while GTA 6 is still in development. We all know Rockstars is making another GTA game, do whatever it takes to get it on NX and as well as Red Dead Redemption 2.

And the Playstation was weaker than the N64, other than the Cartridge vs CD's issue, Sony still managed to get a pipeline of software available.

The point is, it wasnt the PS2 that sold insanely, it was the DVD player, Final Fantasy, GTA, and GT.

People didnt buy the PS4 because its hardware, they bought it cause they know its the gateway to CoD, Madden, GTA, Uncharted, GT etc. Wanna know a main reason not many bought Vita? No Monster Hunter.

You miss his point. The PS2 was indeed weaker then GC/Xbox but not that weak. The PS2 got by was the fact that it had the built-in DVD drive when DVD's was still a thing, that's what FireEmblem meant by that.

Nintendo software doesn't matter if no one buys the console, the only place to play the software.

It's come to a situation where:

If software drives system sales, then Nintendo has failed.

If hardware drives system sales, then Nintendo has failed.

I don't see how the NX will break this trend. The launch appears, based on rumors, to be ports of Wii U games that sold poorly due to lack of hardware sales, and I doubt third parties are going to stay or board onto this ship this generation, a promise we're told every generation. Sony and Microsoft have already established online ecosystems for their communities; I don't see the reason why someone would switch to a Nintendo console and leave their established system with established community of friends to play Call of Duty on a Nintendo system instead. Again, NX will be left with first party support driving it, and if transition to HD development during the Wii U was tough, then superior hardware might be just as big of a challenge for Nintendo if they haven't ramped up team sizes.

1. Nobody likes wii sports for its game content, people it because the wii's motion controls were new and exciting. If you put wii sports on a ps4 or xbone where you use the standard controller, nobody would care about the game.
2. Lots of people enjoy the first party content on wii u and say the software library on the wii u is great. They werent enough to sell the console.
3. The only reason there was no 3rd party was because the hardware sucked

1. That's completely subjective

2. Wii U is a massive flop, it doesn't matter if you like them or that have great reviews, what matters is that the majority of people had no interest in it

3. Again, totally subjective, remember the EA/Nintendo deal? That was something more than just having an underpowered console, you need to stop going into NeoGaf ArisShadow.

I'll just say this:

If you google the nx, there is nothing but non-reputable sites or personal blogs talking about it, meaning no one finds any value in what is left of Nintendo. Hardware does matter because hardware decides what games will run on a console.

Look at Battlefield 4, it is used for benchmarking everything. Will this run on the nx? Most likely not, because Nintendo comes out with really bad hardware. Hardware, if you don't know OP, is an essential part of a system. If you have a 1mhz processor when a game requires 3ghz, you can't run it on the 1mhz processor without issues (overloading the processor, e.t.c.). It is obvious OP has no idea on why hardware is what runs these AAA titles, not software.

APIs are also important, APIs are what allow games to do what they do (I assume based on Nintendo's releases, their API is very specific to only run their games).

For information on me, I am a software/website/game dev, so I have ideas on what I am talking about. OP is very desperate, and will soon grow up and realize Nintendo has nothing to offer us in the 21st century. Nintendo will fade if they don't innovate, which they don't currently.

Innovators are winners, Nintendo just isn't an innovator.

Who buys the hardware? Consumers! Why does the Consumer buy the Hardware? The available Software! The average consumer could care less about which system runs Battlefield 4 best, what matters is which system will have all the games they like!

Nintendo needs their own Rockstar/Naughty Dog type team that is focused on creating games that appeals to the 18 - 35 yr old demographic.

One of the biggest issues with Nintendo is they are way too damn Japanese for their own good. They don't really seem to care much for western tastes at all.

Initial price, software and hardware plays a role with consumer's purchasing habits.

Both XBO and PS4 started from zero install base.

Correlation between Hardware & Software

Software is a selling point to the consumer but Hardware is a selling point to both the consumer & developer.

Developers

Power and Dev Kits are important to developers. A console that is behind is not attractive to a developer because a game's aesthetics being limited by hardware is not as attractive to the customer and not as marketable.

Would you :

1. Sell a game on a weaker console
2. Sell a game on a stronger console
3. Sell a game on a console that is easier to develop for
4. Sell a game on a console where policies are in the developer's favor (obvious example being sunset overdrive exclusive or indie developers developing on specific platforms)
5. Sell a game on a console that is selling well

Where the Wii U failed

If you've looked in the past there is always one powerful console but it was never significantly more powerful than the others in its generation.

1. Wii, Xbox 360, PS3: Wii being the weakest link but wasn't too far behind from the others, it had differences that made it competitive.
2. GC, Xbox, PS2: Xbox being the most powerful if I can recall? But again the other consoles were not far behind.
3. Wii U, Xbox One, and PS4: How on earth does the Wii U even compete with the tablet? Its like its in its own generation. You can compare things like Quantum Break or The Witcher and the Wii U falls short easy. There was no way with its hardware it was gonna play any games like that.

That just isn't attractive to a developer, how can it be competitive when it is that behind? The NX should've been there, not the Wii U. In addition to what was just stated people also thought the Wii U was a peripheral at the time of its release. A PERIPHERAL?!?!!? HOW IS THAT GOING TO HELP THE DEVELOPERS DEVELOP FOR A CONSOLE WHEN THE CONSUMERS THINK ITS A PERIPHERAL. THATS JUST SHEER APPLESAUCE.

I mean of course if you don't mind staying a generation behind with the Wii U that's a fine choice but that's not on everyone's mind when making games for a console....

I mean for argument's sake if it isn't about power maybe Nintendo should've just stopped making consoles after making the Wii? Right?

Afterthoughts

I think the software does sell the console but not acknowledging the correlation between the two is a mistake. Of course people will buy a console because: "I can only get my jrpgs on the PS4" or "Oh Halo 5 is Xbox only? I guess I have to get an Xbox One" or "Bayonetta 2 on Wii U only??!!? That's bullshit"

That still does not mean hardware isn't important.

The wii u and the x1 are both selling right now for the same price. The ps4 has a 2-1 over the x1 but the nx has a chance I think not.

90% confident the NX will flop. I don't care how many Mario games they have lined up for the NX, the majority of gamers just don't give two shits about Nintendo's current IPs.

It will flop, 100% sure on this.

It's just bad choices on nintendo's part. They dropped the wii u mid-gen after 360/ps3 and they had a huge lead already. Then the x1/ps4 dropped and again they have a massive lead plus the prices have come down. Now the wii u is dead and here comes the nx 3 years late to the party.

Pretty sure the nx will have a gimmick game pad and no blu-ray player or hard drive. Pretty sure it's will be 450 or more bucks with minimal 3rd party support and lame online gaming support. Pretty sure the nx will launch with zelda that was supposed to be a wii u exclusive. Pretty sure the same stale ip's will be on deck and look much worse graphically than x1/ps4 games.

Pretty sure sheep the vocal minority will go nuts and tell anybody that will listen that the nx is a must buy. Around this time the neo with a enhanced version of ff15 or even ff7 will be shown and blow the nx graphics into the cheap seats. Then sony will get mean and show off VR games and Nintendo will be like bbbut we got zelda (crickets).

^ Agree...was gonna right something similar...but you've done it well. :)

I'd say hardware is still a sticking point in the current industry, though. The Wii was put out at a time when the industry was still in transition to a multiplatform-centric economy, so to an extent it got away with being different. Now in the PS4/Xbone/PC era, there's far more library overlap. The Wii U is sitting there on the store shelf, having the unique downside of being the only console in the current lineup that straight-up can't have a lot of those multiplatform titles. If the NX is on-par with the other two consoles, devs can start porting their new games to it more freely as they're developed and released, and it'd have more robust third-party support as a result.

And yeah, Nintendo puts out great exclusives, but profits from third-party sales feed Nintendo's own first-party hardware and software development. They'd be able to lay off the nostalgia horse a little and focus on developing along more experimental lines again, which they haven't done as much since the GameCube era, in spite of their consoles' attempts at revolutionary controller options.

1. No its not, its objectively viewing the games content and analyzing what made it successful. I feel like you are just trying to be contrary at this point
2. But the software was good! They even got an exclusive 10/10, a new smash, and a new mario kart! Also prove it
3. No its not, they couldnt port ps4 and xbone to wii u because it was under-powered and they didnt want to because they gamepad took extra effort to develop for.

@FireEmblem_Man:

Psx is the reason for the success of ps2. Psx is also part of the reason the Dreamcast ultimately failed--people were so hyped for the psx successor that they skipped on the DC.

Funny, because the pro-"Nintendo should be third party" crowd thinks otherwise and have a view that would otherwise support destroying it.

Nintendo needs their own Rockstar? What, so they can bank on controversy like their Parker-Stone, Seth MacFarlane, Eminem and the like? Don't think so. Going the Mature route has proven to HURT Nintendo, more than help ever since they've lost Rare. Hell, the Bayonetta and Fatal Frame fandoms straight up hate Nintendo ever since the acquisition of those titles (publishing Bayonetta 2, despite SEGA still owning the IP and Nintendo co-owning Fatal Frame alongside Tecmo-Koei). On the level of this:

With some of this:

Way too Japanese? Can't blame them for trying to be a bit more supportive of their home nation struggling in the industry right now. They go all western, then Japan is truly lost, more so than Anakin Skywalker falling to the dark side. It also doesn't help that western gaming is starting to come off as... how do I put this... draconian? Tyrannical?

@FireEmblem_Man:

Dont get panicked.

Every single generation , ASIDE Wiis , the winner had as solid hardware as it could ( not necessarily the most powerful of all but still as solid as it could get for its generation ) and thats a big indicator hardware speaking.

Yes , Wii won its generation sales but did it actually did good ? Lets summarize

1) Wii sold way more than competition

2) Wii died ( life support even ) WAY faster than competition even if it sold way more

3) Wii sold for its CASUAL APPEAL , AKA CONTROLLER and its competitive price way more than SOFTWARE or HARDWARE capabilities ( caps to emphasize my points )

4) Also software proves my point above when in top 10 most sold games for Wii we got casual , motion control gimmick games like Wii sports and Wii sports resort , Wii fit , Wii fit plus and Wii play sold as much as 384 million copies when the rest of AAA Nintendo games you are reffering which are Mario Kart Wii // New mario Bros // SSBB and Galaxy sold as much as 90 Million all together .

Strong indication that wasnt the games you reffering to as of why Wii was a success rather than gimmick controls.

4) Wii died faster than anyone AND lacked serious 3rd party support because of its hardware !! So hardware doesnt matter ?

Wii is the worst example of a successful product because even if its sales were amazing , its lifespan , total library and serious lack of AAA multiplatform games begs to differ.

If NX is another Wii or Wii U , say bye to Nintendo consoles. Period

Wii sold to soccer moms, not gamers.

I'm a gamer and it sold to me.

As long as it has enough power to have good 3rd party support I'm fine with that. I'll leave this video here.

Rockstar games sell well because they are high quality games that appeal to the 18 - 35 yr old gamer. They don't sell purely on controversy. That might have been a small factor back in the PS2 days, but Rockstar is no longer seen as this super controversial company. I think we've all gotten use to that kind of content by now.

I realize you have trouble understanding this because you're such a Nintendo fan boy, but Nintendo's main IP's don't appeal to a large group of gamers. This is a problem when you have to support your console with your own games. If Nintendo can't make the kinds of games that appeals to that age demographic then the NX will fail. It's that simple.

No amount of Mario and Zelda titles can change things. Kirby won't change shit. Metroid and F-Zero won't make a dent. Star Fox is still very niche. Pokemon is pretty popular but that's more of a handheld IP. A console Pokemon game isn't going to make the NX a hit.

Simply put Nintendo needs to double down on games with more mature content. They can still make their Mario's and Kirby's, but if they want to appeal to gamers outside their dedicated fan base then they need to offer them games that cater to their tastes.

I'm pretty sure I also said Nintendo doing Mature games hasn't worked for them since the Rare sellout and I'm pretty sure I mentioned fans of a SEGA/Platinum action game and Tecmo horror series hate them, so obviously, controversy wasn't the only thing I was talking about here. So again, why should they bother if many Mature gamers hate their collective asses (and will in the future, no matter how many Mature games they publish or third parties they card)?

"Rockstar is no longer seen as this super controversial company"

If they aren't, why does the GTA series get continually targeted by the media for it's sex and violence? Not much different from the Parents Television Council continually putting Family Guy (MacFarlane) on their shitlist and part of the reason that show remains controversial to this day (hell, they also attacked Adult Swim a few years back).

"They can still make their Mario and Kirby's"

Funny, because I recall you saying that the Mario series should be killed off and think Nintendo would be fine without his mascot. Then again, I'm talking to someone anti-NX (actually anti-Nintendo hardware that isn't NES-GameCube) to the point of begging Nintendo to be third party, but yet suggest to me to wait for an NX version of Star Fox Zero.

"Mature games hasn't worked for them since the Rare sellout."

Gamecube still sold better than the Wii U and it having exclusive games like Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes, Resident Evil Remake and RE4 (Timed exclusive) definitely helped.

"If they aren't, why does the GTA series get continually targeted by the media for it's sex and violence?"

I haven't seen the media target the GTA series in years. Definitely not to the level post Hot Coffee mod back in the PS2 era.

"I recall you saying that the Mario series should be killed off."

I never said they should kill off Mario entirely, just give that IP a break. Oversaturation of an IP is never good even if we are talking spin-offs.

Under the right censorship rating, Witcher 3 has both sex scenes/adult themes and violence without end users mods. Digital interactive entrainment industry follows the non-interactive entrainment(TV/movie)'s censorship ratings.

The Parents Television Council (PTC) is a United States-based censorship advocacy group founded by conservative Catholic activist L. Brent Bozell III in 1995.

This is a silly thought? You know what precludes software? Solid hardware + developers, neither of which nintendo has done well in or forced gimmicks onto customers.

Nope

Nope

This is an equally silly thought...

Guess how software is created? Developers writing software for hardware...

Guess what nintendo has had a hard time keeping? Third parties interested in developing for their hardware. So... where is this software coming from that will distinguish NX?

I'm sorry, but did you really just say having RE4 "helped" the GameCube and the "Mature" audience? Last I checked, that game sold much better on the PlayStation 2 (the same console where the likes of GTA, God of War, and Silent Hill were based and were more popular), so utter BS to say RE4 in any way, big or small, "helped" the GameCube, especially when Capcom got similar "**** you's" to Platinum when they let Bayo 2 be published by Nintendo UP UNTIL RE4 got ported. Hell, you even added Twin Snakes and many vocal Metal Gear fans HATED that remake. Even Nintendo's own projects like Eternal Darkness bombed on them at the time, just like Bayonetta 2 did to them this gen. So no, the "Mature" audience gave little to no ****s about the GameCube (at least until 2006-onward), because like other latecomers to the system, they let those who actually had a GameCube that gen get Zerg Rushed like a burning Terran/Protoss base.

You haven't seen the media target GTA? You must've done a really fine job at avoiding any HINT of Fox News.

Really? Did you? Because I recall you saying something completely else in regards to the fate of Mario many threads back.

So you ignore supply and demand and let what "gaming gods" dictate? That's what you believe, I believe that developers DON'T dictate where their games go, they follow where the demand goes, hence why they will want to make a return for profits. The NX needs demand and to get that demand is interesting and a crap load of SOFTWARE, otherwise the NX will be the like the launch of the 3DS and Wii U.

Nintendo needs to make a modern console

1. Good hardware with blu-ray/dolby digital and a hard drive

2. Good price

3. Good 3rd party support

4. Good online gaming across most games with features

5. Good marketing

Instead of doing the bare minimum if they want to stand a chance.

That almost sounds like you want another PS3

Wii U wasn't priced correctly relative to XBO's compute power..

PS4 and PS4 NEO covers no-scope-AK47's points.

Is watching DVD/Blu-ray REALLY that damn important for a GAMES console?

Let's be real here in the current market you need to at least match if not exceed what is currently out there. Why would anybody besides sheep spend money with nintendo if I get a better deal for my money with sony/ms. Nintendo makes decent 1st party games but that alone is not enough.

If they can do these things at a good price any reasonable person would have a reason to consider the nx.

PS4 says Hi. PS4 hardware offering is currently the benchmark to beat. PS4 NEO changes the bar.

Like the great one, Sean Malstrom, said: "Nintendo's gaming roots start with the Arcade, they're not a multimedia or computer software and hardware company like Sony and Microsoft. Both Sony and MS gaming roots started with PC gaming"

PS4 Neo also doesn't have a demand when current PS4 owners outside of gaming forums are completely satisfied with what they have.