Some interesting FUN FACTS reguarding PS3 and 360 software sales
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Killzone 2's sales are all relative. Selling 2M isn't bad in general, but for a game hyped as a Halo killer and a system-seller, it clearly failed. Even if every single person who bought Killzone 2 got a PS3 on the same day, just b/c they wanted to play KZ2, that was only adding 2M to total system sales. Contrast that with the 360's big exclusives. Gears of War moved 3M in its first month when the 360's install base was around 10-11M, so about 30% of 360 owners got it. It ended up around 5M in sales, as did its sequel. No PS3 exclusive has exceeded the sales of either Gears game. Meanwhile, Halo 3 sold an astounding 10M copies. Other than GTAIV and Call of Duty 4, which were multiplats, Halo 3 is the best seller (and the best sold exclusive) this generation. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but for whatever reason, PS3 exclusives don't sell as well as 360 counterparts. Uncharted 2 hasn't hit the 2M mark yet, and looks like it'll go 4-5M in lifetime sales. That's great and amazing from an objective standpoint, but I do believe that if that game was on the 360, it would get higher sales b/c 360 owners seem more devoted to supporting 360 exclusives.masterpinky2000I actually completely agree with you. For some reason, the only thing that an average PS3 owner seems to care about is FIFA and Call of Duty... seriously. You won't find many people without CoD who have a PS3, but a ton of 360 owners have Halo 3 and thats it.
[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]Metal Gear Solid 4:Guns of The Patriots.............NEXT question;) or GT5: Prologue. Wow lemmigns are really hurting lately, the tears taste so sweet and salty at the same time.[QUOTE="Fizzman"]
Please name a single PS3 game that has over at least 5 million sales period? Go ahead ill wait...........FOREVER
rock_steady_bla
fail. GT:5P sold 3.21 million and MGS4 sold 4.28 million.
get this:
Halo 3: ODST, an overpriced expansion pack (according to cows) sold 2.5 million units is 2 weeks. that's more than killzone 2's lifetime sales. odst is currently at 3.13 million according to vgchartz (and before you bash, this is the "source" where most people get their sales numbers until the numbers are giving from the horses mouth.)
halo 3, current;y at 10.30 million lifetime sales, that's 30.3% of the overall userbase (34 million).
the 360 version of GTA4 sold 7.28 million. the ps3 version sold 5.9 million.
the 360 version of CoD: MW sold 7.87 million, the ps3 4.7 million.
360 of CoD: WaW 5.93 million, the ps3 version 3.62 million.
360 version of assassin's creed sold 4.53, the ps3 version 3.48.
gears of war: 5.92 million
gears of war 2: 5.29 million
no matter how cows look at it, or spin it, the 360 has more higher rated and better selling games. the 360 version of multiplats tend to outsell the ps3 counter part by at least 2 to 1.
and no TC, you can't just discount halo3, the gears franchise or odst just because they prove you wrong.
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="themyth01"] And because they don't hide them, I know their gaming division lost $654 million for the recent quarter. themyth01thats a quarterly lose which is likely due to the psp go and the massive slim price cut. Indeed it's only a quarter loss, imagine the annual loss. However Kaz is right, the PS3 is selling for more than it cost to manufacture, however when taking other expenses into account the PS3 is still making Sony bleed and has been doing so since its release. With such a competitive atmosphere, Sony may not make any money on the PS3 whatsoever. how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money off the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter.
This thread is such B.S., I cant even think of anything to say...........
You FAILED :|
[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] thats a quarterly lose which is likely due to the psp go and the massive slim price cut.Rza_rectahIndeed it's only a quarter loss, imagine the annual loss. However Kaz is right, the PS3 is selling for more than it cost to manufacture, however when taking other expenses into account the PS3 is still making Sony bleed and has been doing so since its release. With such a competitive atmosphere, Sony may not make any money on the PS3 whatsoever. how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money of the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter. Because summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen.
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Indeed it's only a quarter loss, imagine the annual loss. However Kaz is right, the PS3 is selling for more than it cost to manufacture, however when taking other expenses into account the PS3 is still making Sony bleed and has been doing so since its release. With such a competitive atmosphere, Sony may not make any money on the PS3 whatsoever. themyth01how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money of the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter. Because summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen.
or in otherwords, pull a MS and hope it works out next gen. :P
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Indeed it's only a quarter loss, imagine the annual loss. However Kaz is right, the PS3 is selling for more than it cost to manufacture, however when taking other expenses into account the PS3 is still making Sony bleed and has been doing so since its release. With such a competitive atmosphere, Sony may not make any money on the PS3 whatsoever. themyth01how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money of the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter. Because summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen. yeah they lost quite the amount of money but they will see a profit on the their investment over the holiday season. like I said that whole divsion that the ps3 is included in is more then just game so kaz may be right in some aspect about the ps3 as a whole seeing profit before the slim price drop.
or GT5: Prologue. Wow lemmigns are really hurting lately, the tears taste so sweet and salty at the same time.[QUOTE="rock_steady_bla"][QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"] Metal Gear Solid 4:Guns of The Patriots.............NEXT question;)
cowgriller
fail. GT:5P sold 3.21 million and MGS4 sold 4.28 million.
Funny, According to Polyphony Digital (the company that made the damn game) theyre under the impression that 3.94 Million people bought their game (Gran Turismo 5 Prologue)
And MGS4 has sold 4.75M as of SIX MONTHS AGO.
As for the other games you mentioned, those are irrelevant in this discussion. They werent left out because thel "proved me wrong".
The point of this topic was this: Lemmings say "Nobody" bought Killzone 2 or LittleBigPlanet, and their sales are "terrible".
I then showed lemmings all the other games they are claiming sold "terribly" by making these statements.
Halo and gears are completely irrelevant to this thread.
Because summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen.[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money of the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter.cowgriller
or in otherwords, pull a MS and hope it works out next gen. :P
or pull a wii and dominate the gaming industry :P.Because summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen.[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money of the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter.cowgriller
or in otherwords, pull a MS and hope it works out next gen. :P
I think as long as they don't try to force a new expensive format into the market or try to make a non-standard overpriced processor so that they don't have to charge so much for it, they will be ok. Add another cell processor, put in a new GPU and let the PS4 be BC, and it'll probably be a winner.[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] how do you know they will even have a annual loss and that division is alot more that just the ps3, ps2, ps and games combined. Thats the thing they dont have to make money of the system look at the ps2 it took that system ages to make a profit. sony knows what they are doing which is why they push for exclusive games on their system. even in the report the CEO says they are looking forward to a profit in the next quarter.Rza_rectahBecause summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen. yeah they lost quite the amount of money but they will see a profit on the their investment over the holiday season. like I said that whole divsion that the ps3 is included in is more then just game so kaz may be right in some aspect about the ps3 as a whole seeing profit before the slim price drop. What Kaz said in your link was the gross profit on the PS3 is positive, and we've known that for a while. Gross profit is simply Revenue - Manufacturing cost. But there are a lot more costs to the PS3 than that. I don't think their gaming division will be profitable for the year, nor the company as a whole. With the recent price however it's possible they may touch profitability next year, but it's very doubtful they'll make back all the money they've lost on the PS3 already.
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games sell better on the 360
that is all.
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games sell better on the 360
that is all.
RE5 Says Hi, Batman AA Says Hi, GTA4 Says Hi, FIFA 10 Says Hi, NHL 09 Says Hi, Assassins Creed Says Hi, Dead Space Says Hi, and many others Say Hi.[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Because summing quarter 1 and quarter 2 of this year they already have a loss of $1.05 billion for the gaming division. And the loss is increasing compared to last quarter, probably due to the price drop. In order for them to post a profit at all, first they have to break even for more than a billion dollars. If you take out the PS2 and PSP from that division which are profitable for Sony, the loss would be much greater. Sony made bad business decisions with the PS3 starting with the $600 price tag, they wrongly relied on their brand recognition pushing through regardless. Heads already flew but it's too late now, they have to continue to lose money and hope their PS3 debacle ends soon so they can plan a more profitable strategy next gen. themyth01yeah they lost quite the amount of money but they will see a profit on the their investment over the holiday season. like I said that whole divsion that the ps3 is included in is more then just game so kaz may be right in some aspect about the ps3 as a whole seeing profit before the slim price drop. What Kaz said in your link was the gross profit on the PS3 is positive, and we've known that for a while. Gross profit is simply Revenue - Manufacturing cost. But there are a lot more costs to the PS3 than that. I don't think their gaming division will be profitable for the year, nor the company as a whole. With the recent price however it's possible they may touch profitability next year, but it's very doubtful they'll make back all the money they've lost on the PS3 already. he wasnt saying that the ps3 profit margin was profitable he said the ps3 as a whole minus the system was profitable. but the ps3 it self was making profit off systems sold at the time.
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games sell better on the 360
that is all.
rock_steady_bla
half those games sold better on the 360 :lol:
im confused to why you would even take the time to type that post... :?
joke post?
What Kaz said in your link was the gross profit on the PS3 is positive, and we've known that for a while. Gross profit is simply Revenue - Manufacturing cost. But there are a lot more costs to the PS3 than that. I don't think their gaming division will be profitable for the year, nor the company as a whole. With the recent price however it's possible they may touch profitability next year, but it's very doubtful they'll make back all the money they've lost on the PS3 already. he wasnt saying that the ps3 profit margin was profitable he said the ps3 as a whole minus the system was profitable. but the ps3 it self was making profit off systems sold at the time. No what I read, mind providing the link again. I mean the gaming division is obviously losing money, due to expenses associated with the PS3. Gross Profit is positive, since the cost of the PS3 is less than what they're selling it for. However, operating expenses are bigger than their gross profit and thus why they're losing money. Is that what you mean?[QUOTE="rock_steady_bla"][QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"] That was funny indeed. But looking through his other threads, it's obvious how his love for Sony would cloud his judgment.
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] yeah they lost quite the amount of money but they will see a profit on the their investment over the holiday season. like I said that whole divsion that the ps3 is included in is more then just game so kaz may be right in some aspect about the ps3 as a whole seeing profit before the slim price drop.Mr_Apple_Soup
[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]
Killzone 2:2.02M out of 27M bought this game (7% of PS3 owners)
Mass Effect:2.08M out of 34M bought this game (6% of 360 owners)
LittleBigPlanet:2.50M out of 27M bought this game (9% of PS3 owners)
Left 4 Dead:2.45M out of 34M bought this game (7% of 360 owners)
Heres some funny ones:
Killzone 2 launch week: 750k (remember, this game supposedly sold "nothing" and nobody cares about it :lol: )
Forza 3 launch week: 240k
Also, heres some 360 multiplats lifetime sales (These are to be compared with the PS3 exclusives above):
Bioshock: 2.34M(LittleBigPlanet outsold this game on a smaller userbase)
Fallout 3: 2.63 m
Orange Box: 0.91 m(LittleBigPlanet outsold this game on a smaller userbase) (killzone 2 outsold this game on a smaller userbase)
Fight Night Round 3: 2.03 m(LittleBigPlanet outsold this game on a smaller userbase) (killzone 2 tied with this game on a smaller userbase)
Fight Night Round 4: 0.89 m(LittleBigPlanet outsold this game on a smaller userbase) (killzone 2 outsold this game on a smaller userbase)
Resident Evil 5: 2.37 m(LittleBigPlanet outsold this game on a smaller userbase)
Street Fighter 4: 1.27m(LittleBigPlanet outsold this game on a smaller userbase) (killzone 2 outsold this game on a smaller userbase)
Next time you talk about how poorly Killzone 2 sold, remember, you are also talking about how poorly these other games sold.
ActicEdge
Why are you playing the percentage game? Percentages are misleading. Anyway, Why are you taking multiplats and comparing them to exclusives. Their sales potential is dampened by being available on another platform. Why are you using VGchartz? You have perfectly picked out your games too, its so ridiculous. Why is there no Gears? Why is there no Halo? Why is there no COD? Why is it okay that LBP, Sony's premier title last holiday season was barely able to edge out some multiplats with less hype? Also, where are you getting this smaller userbase crap from? The PS3 and 360 have essentially equaled each other in sales each year. Hence its safe to assume that the PS3 in its first year should have been around the 360 in its first year. Orange Box and Bioshock are from 2007, that's where most their sales came from, at that time the 360 install base would have been what the PS3s was when LBP launched. Then there is demographic, why would FN4 sell more than 3? 3 was the new hot next gen version. Why are fighters that are all but dead in terms of sales potential being compared to something like LBP and the hyper popular FPS genre. No one thinks 2 million sales is bad. People think its disappointing considering the developent time and money spent on KZ2. I disagree but you are twisting the argument. Not that it matters, all your posts do this.
percentages aren't misleading they just show how a community responded to a game compared to another. 360 will always have more sales due to user base but its nice to see which percentage of a userbase bought a game.
he wasnt saying that the ps3 profit margin was profitable he said the ps3 as a whole minus the system was profitable. but the ps3 it self was making profit off systems sold at the time. No what I read, mind providing the link again. I mean the gaming division is obviously losing money, due to expenses associated with the PS3. Gross Profit is positive, since the cost of the PS3 is less than what they're selling it for. However, operating expenses are bigger than their gross profit and thus why they're losing money. Is that what you mean?yes thats relevant to now but they were selling the system at a gain 3 months ago they just werent selling to many so they were profiting but still in a lose.[QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"]
[QUOTE="rock_steady_bla"] What Kaz said in your link was the gross profit on the PS3 is positive, and we've known that for a while. Gross profit is simply Revenue - Manufacturing cost. But there are a lot more costs to the PS3 than that. I don't think their gaming division will be profitable for the year, nor the company as a whole. With the recent price however it's possible they may touch profitability next year, but it's very doubtful they'll make back all the money they've lost on the PS3 already. themyth01
Kaz on ps3 profits: With the eyes of analysts the world over watching every word, Kaz wasn't, however, going to let this one disappear into a fog of fiscal failure. The PS3, you see, as a platform has been profitable. Here's how: "I think the better indicator is to look at the business as a whole platform, to ask: are you profitable in terms of the hardware, software and peripherals. And the answer to that question is yes on a gross profit level since the last fiscal year."
http://news.spong.com/article/19015/Kaz-Hirai-PS3-Platform-Profitable-Since-Last-Year
Someone pull up Halo 3 and ODST's sales.DonPerian
But wauit TC doesn't want to count them since they destroy his latest jaded argument...
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games sell better on the 360
that is all.
RE5 Says Hi, Batman AA Says Hi, GTA4 Says Hi, FIFA 10 Says Hi, NHL 09 Says Hi, Assassins Creed Says Hi, Dead Space Says Hi, and many others Say Hi. sf4[QUOTE="cowgriller"]
[QUOTE="rock_steady_bla"] or GT5: Prologue. Wow lemmigns are really hurting lately, the tears taste so sweet and salty at the same time.TheArmyGuy48
fail. GT:5P sold 3.21 million and MGS4 sold 4.28 million.
Funny, According to Polyphony Digital (the company that made the damn game) theyre under the impression that 3.94 Million people bought their game (Gran Turismo 5 Prologue)
And MGS4 has sold 4.75M as of SIX MONTHS AGO.
As for the other games you mentioned, those are irrelevant in this discussion. They werent left out because thel "proved me wrong".
The point of this topic was this: Lemmings say "Nobody" bought Killzone 2 or LittleBigPlanet, and their sales are "terrible".
I then showed lemmings all the other games they are claiming sold "terribly" by making these statements.
Halo and gears are completely irrelevant to this thread.
those are good numbers but the OP asked for anyone to name atleast one ps3 game that sold over 5 million copies.
so even with those numbers, no ps3 exclusive has broke the 5 million barrier but the 360 has 6 games, one of which is an expansion pack that came out 1 and half months ago. the ps3 only has one games, GTA4, a multiplat title, that sold over 5 million. the 360 has 2 exclusives that sold more 5 million, halo 3 and gears 2.
well, as for your "point", selling two million copies of a game is a good thing. but for those games, for all of the hype they receive, for all of the great ratings they received, for them to not even sell to 10% of the userbase, that's a FAIL. kz2 was hyped since the infamous e3 2005 trailer and it sold slightly more than 2 million copies since march. compare this to gears of war, an unknown franchise that sold 2 million copies in 1.5 months when there where only less than 10 million xbox 360's on the market, that's an achievement. for killzone 2 to sell only 2 million in 9 months with a userbase of 27 million, that's a fail. the same goes for LBP, uncharted 1/2. MGS4 and GT5P are the only ps3 exclusives to put up good sales numbers.
for you to say that halo3 and gears are irrelevant to this thread shows how flawed this thread was from inception. they are games. they sell millions. they outsold everysingle ps3 game to date. they count, whether you want them to or not.
[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"][QUOTE="KodiakGTS"]So um...you're comparing two of the best PS3 exclusives, to a bunch of multiplats and one 360 exclusive without the North American sales counted? Good show...I guess...Luigi_The_PimpActually, I compared 2 of the lower selling PS3 Exclusives. orly cause Resistance 2 didnt hit a million I believe
It did.
Networked Products and Services" division, which includes video game hardware and software sales, reported a ¥58.8 billion (or $654 million) operating loss during the quarter.
Sales decreased 24.2% on a year to year(a 13% percent decrease on a local currency basis to ($3,918 million ) this decrease was mainly due to lower Vaio pc and game sales.
Another thread started by a PS3 fanboy that gets immedately owned and shot down.
Yet every cow that views this thread will ignore all the evidence as if it never happen. It's as if their mind has some kind of selective shielding against reasoning. It will auto block out anything that goes against their precious PS3. Tomorrow it would be as if they never saw one post in this thread. Several more threads will be created about how PS3 sells a ton more games/consoles then the xbox360. Never mind the console that is dominating or PC. It will always be about the xbox360.
It's as if the xbox360 is that bad girl that likes wearing short skirts. PS3 fanboys just can't stop talking about how inappropriate she is how she has no manners. All the while they are squeezing their pillows and secretly dreaming about her every night.
Someone pull up Halo 3 and ODST's sales.DonPerian
already did but TC doesn't like it because it proves him wrong. one more time for good measure ;)
halo 3 10 million sold
halo 3 odst sells 2.5 million in two weeks. makes killzone 2/sony cry.
gears of war 2 sells 5 million. gears franchise sells over 11 million.
Another thread started by a PS3 fanboy that gets immedately owned and shot down.
Yet every cow that views this thread will ignore all the evidence as if it never happen. It's as if their mind has some kind of selective shielding against reasoning. It will auto block out anything that goes against their precious PS3. Tomorrow it would be as if they never saw one post in this thread. Several more threads will be created about how PS3 sells a ton more games/consoles then the xbox360. Never mind the console that is dominating or PC. It will always be about the xbox360.
It's as if the xbox360 is that bad girl that likes wearing short skirts. PS3 fanboys just can't stop talking about how inappropriate she is how she has no manners. All the while they are squeezing their pillows andsecretlydreaming about her every night.
or maybe the ps3 and the 360 are more or less in direct competition more so than the wii ever consider that. yes the wii is there but that doesnt share the same games as the other consoles and if it does it usually worse in comparison except for tiger woods 2010.No what I read, mind providing the link again. I mean the gaming division is obviously losing money, due to expenses associated with the PS3. Gross Profit is positive, since the cost of the PS3 is less than what they're selling it for. However, operating expenses are bigger than their gross profit and thus why they're losing money. Is that what you mean?yes thats relevant to now but they were selling the system at a gain 3 months ago they just werent selling to many so they were profiting but still in a lose.[QUOTE="themyth01"]
[QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"] he wasnt saying that the ps3 profit margin was profitable he said the ps3 as a whole minus the system was profitable. but the ps3 it self was making profit off systems sold at the time.Rza_rectah
Kaz on ps3 profits: With the eyes of analysts the world over watching every word, Kaz wasn't, however, going to let this one disappear into a fog of fiscal failure. The PS3, you see, as a platform has been profitable. Here's how: "I think the better indicator is to look at the business as a whole platform, to ask: are you profitable in terms of the hardware, software and peripherals. And the answer to that question is yes on a gross profit level since the last fiscal year."
http://news.spong.com/article/19015/Kaz-Hirai-PS3-Platform-Profitable-Since-Last-Year
the ps3 is still losing money, the playstation franchise as a whole isn't (thanks to the ps2 and psp.) from gizmodo:
Because after a $100 price reduction, Sony exec Kaz Hirai revealed that PS3 "hardware alone" is still losing money. However, he claims that when you look at the whole PlayStation platform (from consoles to peripherals to software to avatar clothing in Home), it's reached a "gross profit" threshold.
what the "gross profit" means is that after all the money that the ps3 loses if factored out (meaning subtracted from all the money earned), the playstation franchise/platforms is profitable. but wait, recently, sony consolidated the playstation brand with their vaios and other "network" hardware. when they are factored in, sony's network division just lost $654 million this past quarter and $390 million last quarter. that's a loss of $1.044 billion in just the first half of this fiscal year (starts in march). add that to the $1.16 billion they lost last fiscal year. that's $2.204 since 2007. in 2007 they lost $2.16 because of the ps3. that's $4.364 billion since 2006.
hell the latest figure given is that sony lost $4.7 billion because of the launch of the ps3. link
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