Sony: Competitors 'Continue peddling add-ons to keep up with the Jones''

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

And if I want to play games on PS3 and not deal with the cost of Blu-Ray then what? Oh yeah you get yours off hand for $200 like I did thats right. Let them use you guys for their format war. I'm just in it for the games not the movies.

Blackbond

You don't get it.

Bluray isn't something additional. It's not something with a monthly fee. If you dont' want a PS3 that plays blurays you dont want a PS3 because thats the format the PS3 uses.

What if I want to play games but I don't want to pay for the DVD player in the 360? Thats the essentially the same thing. And just as ridiculous.

GOD, why did we have to switch from CDROMS to DVDs? I just care about the games!

Blu-Ray is something additoinal. Its an additional component not required to be included on a gaming machine that drives the price up. I wouldn't even own a Blu-Ray player if it wasn't for the PS3 and to be honest I have no intention of ever using it. The inclusion of the Blu-Ray player is a cost that the consumer has to absorb. DVD drives are not costing you an addtional upwards cost to your gaming machine like the Blu-Ray player does with the PS3. Hence why the PS3 is the most expensive console.

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And if I want to play games on PS3 and not deal with the cost of Blu-Ray then what? Oh yeah you get yours off hand for $200 like I did thats right. Let them use you guys for their format war. I'm just in it for the games not the movies.TheOrigin

Then the product may not be for you. Using the word "force" on a piece of hardware doesn't make any sense. If you wan't an HD product then the PS3 is going to be the best choice. Fanboys try to make sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in thier hardware just because it's not cheaper.

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

Chutebox

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And if I want to play games on PS3 and not deal with the cost of Blu-Ray then what? Oh yeah you get yours off hand for $200 like I did thats right. Let them use you guys for their format war. I'm just in it for the games not the movies.Blackbond

Then the product may not be for you. Using the word "force" on a piece of hardware doesn't make any sense. If you wan't an HD product then the PS3 is going to be the best choice. Fanboys try to make sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in thier hardware just because it's not cheaper.

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

Again, the $50 is extra. BD is included in the system. Whether it's worth it or not doesn't matter since that's all opinion...

You know what, this is just stupid lol. Let's all go back to cartridges to make everyone happy for not being forced to buy into a new format for gaming.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="TheOrigin"]

Then the product may not be for you. Using the word "force" on a piece of hardware doesn't make any sense. If you wan't an HD product then the PS3 is going to be the best choice. Fanboys try to make sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in thier hardware just because it's not cheaper.

Chutebox

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

Again, the $50 is extra. BD is included in the system. Whether it's worth it or not doesn't matter since that's all opinion...

You know what, this is just stupid lol. Let's all go back to cartridges to make everyone happy for not being forced to buy into a new format for gaming.

THAT is the best solution for gamers AND developers.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

Blackbond

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

Blackbond

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

Chutebox

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

Blackbond

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

Bluray does expand games. Bigger file sizes. ._.; Duh.

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And if I want to play games on PS3 and not deal with the cost of Blu-Ray then what? Oh yeah you get yours off hand for $200 like I did thats right. Let them use you guys for their format war. I'm just in it for the games not the movies.Blackbond

Then the product may not be for you. Using the word "force" on a piece of hardware doesn't make any sense. If you wan't an HD product then the PS3 is going to be the best choice. Fanboys try to make sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in thier hardware just because it's not cheaper.

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And if I want to play games on PS3 and not deal with the cost of Blu-Ray then what? Oh yeah you get yours off hand for $200 like I did thats right. Let them use you guys for their format war. I'm just in it for the games not the movies.Blackbond

Then the product may not be for you. Using the word "force" on a piece of hardware doesn't make any sense. If you wan't an HD product then the PS3 is going to be the best choice. Fanboys try to make sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in thier hardware just because it's not cheaper.

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]And if I want to play games on PS3 and not deal with the cost of Blu-Ray then what? Oh yeah you get yours off hand for $200 like I did thats right. Let them use you guys for their format war. I'm just in it for the games not the movies.Blackbond

Then the product may not be for you. Using the word "force" on a piece of hardware doesn't make any sense. If you wan't an HD product then the PS3 is going to be the best choice. Fanboys try to make sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in thier hardware just because it's not cheaper.

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

You should have quit before when you were ... "ahead." ._.;;

Let me explain this to you in terms you can understand.

It's not a trojan horse because it is the system. The system uses bluray for its format. It's not sneaky at all. It says it right on there. Its advertised as a bluray player.

Does MS advertise the fact that you get to help support microsoft by paying for online? No. And the fact of the matter is, they're not comparable.

Do you understand? They're not comparable.

Choice of format and internet fees are two entirely different things.

You cannot compare them.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I already own the product. And by buying that product I was forced to invest in Sony's trojan horse in Blu-Ray. How does the word force not make any sense? If I want an HD product then the PS3 is the best choice? Yay good for HD but I game in SD.

Fanboys try to make Sony seem so terrible for trying to offer great features in their hardware because its not cheaper. Yes just like the fanboys that try to make MS seem so terrible for offering an online gaming service with great features just because its not cheaper.

You both have been had and walked right into it. Thanks for playing

Dreams-Visions

Again, the $50 is extra. BD is included in the system. Whether it's worth it or not doesn't matter since that's all opinion...

You know what, this is just stupid lol. Let's all go back to cartridges to make everyone happy for not being forced to buy into a new format for gaming.

THAT is the best solution for gamers AND developers.

Again, the $50 is extra. BD is included in the system. Whether it's worth it or not doesn't matter since that's all opinion...

You know what, this is just stupid lol. Let's all go back to cartridges to make everyone happy for not being forced to buy into a new format for gaming.

Chutebox

Why do we need any format at all. Why don't we just download the 30gb games directly to our HDDs. :roll:

Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?dark-warmachine

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again with this? DVD isn't required for gaming, CDs aren't required for gaming. Where do we draw the line? It's called expanding and adding new features. If you don't like BD that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they are forcing it upon us.

Blackbond

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

More like a DVD equipped machine vs. a Bluray + DVD equipped machine.

Besides, can anyone provide proof that Bluray cannot potentially enhance gaming? Last time I checked, MGS4 was pretty big :|

Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?dark-warmachine

anyone else thinks this is a clear sign that Sony is NOT dropping the price anytime soon?.....Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

The cost of a DVD equipped gaming machine is cheaper then a Blu-Ray equipped gaming machine. Who cares about expanding new features. Expand new games please. And that goes for all platforms and devs.

Dreams-Visions

I see you don't understand. It's like blaming mercedes for adding features that the honda civic doesn't have and driving up the price. You may not want those features, but it's a useless argument to believe that no one else does. It's not a trap it's a preference. Your just forcing your opinion that every console should be more like the "civic". BTW I don't want this to turn into a honda>mercedes argument. I just wanted to point out that different products are for different people. TheOrigin

Car analogies don't ever work in SW we've gone over that in the 20+ page thread and I don't understand why people still use them.

I could have those features removed from the mercedes, buy it at a cheaper price and guess what. Its still going to do what it was built to do. And that's drive around.

Oh now we're going into I may not want those features but others may, that its preference. Yeah um well did you guys ever take the time to think that people opting to pay for XBL is also their choice and their preference?

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. If you guys are going to go on about XBL you might as well come to grips with Blu-Ray. That is the point and I'm sitting in the gufu irc wondering why you guys haven't realized that yet.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again, the $50 is extra. BD is included in the system. Whether it's worth it or not doesn't matter since that's all opinion...

You know what, this is just stupid lol. Let's all go back to cartridges to make everyone happy for not being forced to buy into a new format for gaming.

Chutebox

THAT is the best solution for gamers AND developers.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Uncharted did something using BD that isn't possible with DVD (as far as I know). Isn't that expanding gaming?Chutebox

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?Blackbond

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]anyone else thinks this is a clear sign that Sony is NOT dropping the price anytime soon?.....anshul89

You should have quit before when you were ... "ahead." ._.;;

Let me explain this to you in terms you can understand.

It's not a trojan horse because it is the system. The system uses bluray for its format. It's not sneaky at all. It says it right on there. Its advertised as a bluray player.

Does MS advertise the fact that you get to help support microsoft by paying for online? No. And the fact of the matter is, they're not comparable.

Do you understand? They're not comparable.

Choice of format and internet fees are two entirely different things.

You cannot compare them.

hakanakumono

I've been ahead, I'm always ahead, you aren't even out of the gate.

How is it not a trojan horse? Its a trojan horse implemented in every system so that Sony could win the format war. Its not sneaky at all? You don't think it was sneaky for Sony to straight gamble away their gaming division in hopes of winning the format war. Yeah okay man.

Does MS advertise the fact that you get to help support mS by paying for online? Why the hell would they need to? Any product you buy off of any company helps support them lol.

They are comparable. You complain about the price of XBL. I complain about the price of the inclusion of Blu-Ray. Hell I could complain about the price of the inclusion of Wifi too while I'm at it.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Again, the $50 is extra. BD is included in the system. Whether it's worth it or not doesn't matter since that's all opinion...

You know what, this is just stupid lol. Let's all go back to cartridges to make everyone happy for not being forced to buy into a new format for gaming.

jakarai

Why do we need any format at all. Why don't we just download the 30gb games directly to our HDDs. :roll:

Or we could have gotten the PS3 at $100 less with a DVD drive and install the games onto the HDD like we are doing anyways already :roll:

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] cartridges cost more. that's why they moved to optical media. what NEEDS to happen is everyone needs to go back to DVD, but not to have games run from the DVD drive. rather, include massive HDDs and let us install every game fully like we can now with NXE.

THAT is the best solution for gamers AND developers.

Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?Chutebox

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?Chutebox

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

Since when do you guys decided that XBL is a hidden cost ect? Yeah get off my high horse? I'm just beating you guys at your own game and enjoying it.

sure guys, blame Sony for forcing Bluray upon us...

All MS did is sell you a machine with a 'forced upon' 35% failure rate, right? I mean, what's the hidden cost in that? :|

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] it would have been possible with DVD nextGen if HDDs are standard along with installable games. :) Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

Blackbond

Since when do you guys decided that XBL is a hidden cost ect? Yeah get off my high horse? I'm just beating you guys at your own game and enjoying it.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

Blackbond

Since when do you guys decided that XBL is a hidden cost ect? Yeah get off my high horse? I'm just beating you guys at your own game and enjoying it.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I'd have no problem with that. But I like the BD drive because I love BD movies... But I have no problem installing games.Chutebox

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?Blackbond

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Oh no you don't! Answer the question(ish)!Chutebox

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]I see you don't understand. It's like blaming mercedes for adding features that the honda civic doesn't have and driving up the price. You may not want those features, but it's a useless argument to believe that no one else does. It's not a trap it's a preference. Your just forcing your opinion that every console should be more like the "civic". BTW I don't want this to turn into a honda>mercedes argument. I just wanted to point out that different products are for different people. Blackbond

Car analogies don't ever work in SW we've gone over that in the 20+ page thread and I don't understand why people still use them.

I could have those features removed from the mercedes, buy it at a cheaper price and guess what. Its still going to do what it was built to do. And that's drive around.

Oh now we're going into I may not want those features but others may, that its preference. Yeah um well did you guys ever take the time to think that people opting to pay for XBL is also their choice and their preference?

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. If you guys are going to go on about XBL you might as well come to grips with Blu-Ray. That is the point and I'm sitting in the gufu irc wondering why you guys haven't realized that yet.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Then why did you buy a ps3 if you feel so strongly about blu ray being included? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. You weren't forced to buy it or were you?:?dark-warmachine

Because I'm a gamer. Look at my webcasts and look at my multitudes of consoles and games. I spent $200 for my PS3. I feel badly for those of you who had to put up with the trojan horse blu-ray cost. A cost us gamers should have never had to pay in the first place.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I'm sorry dude but get off your high horse. Since when do you decide what's good for "us gamers"? I bought the 60GB right away and would do so again in a heart beat given the same situation. f50p90

Since when do you guys decided that XBL is a hidden cost ect? Yeah get off my high horse? I'm just beating you guys at your own game and enjoying it.

So do you want me to call all of GUFU in here to show you that people agree with me? Would that make you happy? I'm in the GUFU IRC right now. If you're only argument is that a bunch of pro-Sony posters preaching to me about Blu-Ray while getting on XBL claiming nobody is agreeing with me is your only defense then I shall gladly tear through it like tissue paper.

I'm in the GUFU IRC. The boys are only a message away.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

You should have quit before when you were ... "ahead." ._.;;

Let me explain this to you in terms you can understand.

It's not a trojan horse because it is the system. The system uses bluray for its format. It's not sneaky at all. It says it right on there. Its advertised as a bluray player.

Does MS advertise the fact that you get to help support microsoft by paying for online? No. And the fact of the matter is, they're not comparable.

Do you understand? They're not comparable.

Choice of format and internet fees are two entirely different things.

You cannot compare them.

Blackbond

I've been ahead, I'm always ahead, you aren't even out of the gate.

How is it not a trojan horse? Its a trojan horse implemented in every system so that Sony could win the format war. Its not sneaky at all? You don't think it was sneaky for Sony to straight gamble away their gaming division in hopes of winning the format war. Yeah okay man.

Does MS advertise the fact that you get to help support mS by paying for online? Why the hell would they need to? Any product you buy off of any company helps support them lol.

They are comparable. You complain about the price of XBL. I complain about the price of the inclusion of Blu-Ray. Hell I could complain about the price of the inclusion of Wifi too while I'm at it.

Mhmmm. :roll: Of course you are. Meanwhile everyone else tries to explain to you ...

Its not a trojan horse because they weren't sneaky about it. They advertised the fact that it uses bluray. ._.;

Yes they pushed for bluray with it. But they weren't sneaky about it. They were pretty blatant about the PS3 and bluray going hand in hand it to the future sony would be making.

sure guys, blame Sony for forcing Bluray upon us...

All MS did is sell you a machine with a 'forced upon' 35% failure rate, right? I mean, what's the hidden cost in that? :|

leadernator

Well it costs MS a couple billion I believe.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]I see you don't understand. It's like blaming mercedes for adding features that the honda civic doesn't have and driving up the price. You may not want those features, but it's a useless argument to believe that no one else does. It's not a trap it's a preference. Your just forcing your opinion that every console should be more like the "civic". BTW I don't want this to turn into a honda>mercedes argument. I just wanted to point out that different products are for different people. TheOrigin

Car analogies don't ever work in SW we've gone over that in the 20+ page thread and I don't understand why people still use them.

I could have those features removed from the mercedes, buy it at a cheaper price and guess what. Its still going to do what it was built to do. And that's drive around.

Oh now we're going into I may not want those features but others may, that its preference. Yeah um well did you guys ever take the time to think that people opting to pay for XBL is also their choice and their preference?

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. If you guys are going to go on about XBL you might as well come to grips with Blu-Ray. That is the point and I'm sitting in the gufu irc wondering why you guys haven't realized that yet.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] I hear you and agree. However, HDD installed games are better for both gamers and developers. HDD offers much faster read times than a BD drive or DVD drive, meaning faster loads. meaning devs can stream more things and do many more things with a game since it won't be limited by the disc media. and of course, we don't have to hear the drive spinning and everything can happen faster. I really, really hope MS or Sony moves to this solution nextGen. it really is the best direction to go in. I think MS is most likely, since NXE already does this...but I hope Sony does the same. It's the best scenario for us...and considering how cheap massive HDDs are now, it only makes sense.Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Since when do you guys decided that XBL is a hidden cost ect? Yeah get off my high horse? I'm just beating you guys at your own game and enjoying it.

Blackbond

So do you want me to call all of GUFU in here to show you that people agree with me? Would that make you happy? I'm in the GUFU IRC right now. If you're only argument is that a bunch of pro-Sony posters preaching to me about Blu-Ray while getting on XBL claiming nobody is agreeing with me is your only defense then I shall gladly tear through it like tissue paper.

I'm in the GUFU IRC. The boys are only a message away.

If these people at GUFU IRC actually use logic and comprehend such things as logical comparisons then you're free to bring up logical points.

Everyone may agree with you on that IRC, but your logic falls short in front of people who can see through it.

[QUOTE="leadernator"]

sure guys, blame Sony for forcing Bluray upon us...

All MS did is sell you a machine with a 'forced upon' 35% failure rate, right? I mean, what's the hidden cost in that? :|

Blackbond

Well it costs MS a couple billion I believe.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I'm sorry dude but get off your high horse. Since when do you decide what's good for "us gamers"? I bought the 60GB right away and would do so again in a heart beat given the same situation. f50p90

Since when do you guys decided that XBL is a hidden cost ect? Yeah get off my high horse? I'm just beating you guys at your own game and enjoying it.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Seems that would really help the life of the laser in the systems too...Something Ps2 would have really benefited from!Chutebox