Sony copies MS and XNA....again...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]A lot of fanboys are in damage control here. Microsoft did not invent homebrew software; but nobody is saying that they did. This is so much more than freakin' homebrew. They ship you proper development tools, for free, to make your own games from scratch easily, without a huge budget and dedicated art and programming teams. After you've made your game, you can digitally distribute it via a proper medium like xbox live, and even charge for it if you want to and think it's good enough, allowing your game to be played by millions of people. This isn't just a programme for making your own version of tetris. Has nobody seen the incredible dirt racing game that guy was making a couple of months back? It had full HDR and everything.SpruceCaboose

Also, XNA Express is not free to make content for a 360. It costs $100. And no, you cannot distribute it via XBL. That is, so far, empty promises with no realization in sight.

False. It is only $100 if you wish to distribute your games via xbox live. There are over 200 games in development. The tools only shipped a while ago. One person cannot make a game over night. The first is set to be released this autumn. 

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]A lot of fanboys are in damage control here. Microsoft did not invent homebrew software; but nobody is saying that they did. This is so much more than freakin' homebrew. They ship you proper development tools, for free, to make your own games from scratch easily, without a huge budget and dedicated art and programming teams. After you've made your game, you can digitally distribute it via a proper medium like xbox live, and even charge for it if you want to and think it's good enough, allowing your game to be played by millions of people. This isn't just a programme for making your own version of tetris. Has nobody seen the incredible dirt racing game that guy was making a couple of months back? It had full HDR and everything.Ninja-Vox

Also, XNA Express is not free to make content for a 360. It costs $100. And no, you cannot distribute it via XBL. That is, so far, empty promises with no realization in sight.

False. It is only $100 if you wish to distribute your games via xbox live. There are over 200 games in development. The tools only shipped a while ago. One person cannot make a game over night. The first is set to be released this autumn.

    Actually, the fee has nothing to do with Live. Developers can create Windows games for free with the XNA Framework, but to run their games on the Xbox 360 they will have to pay an annual fee of $99 for admission to the XNA "Creators Club".

    To make a 360 game using XNA, you need to pay $100 a year. Its only free to make games for the PC platform. 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

Rosencrantz

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

tango90101

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

No, its about gamers on consoles getting the chance to play indie games and that has been done well before the 360.  I am sure you love to add in your specific criteria even though you original post said nothing about online distribution, to try and convince yourself your right but the truth is gamers have been able to play games on their consoles made by indie companies.  Whether we get it online or via a disk, it doesnt matter the point is neither online distribution nor indie games being made for consoles is innovative.

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

tango90101

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

you can spin the thread all you want. but the bottoom line is you self owned your self with your own link. oh well im off to lunch. this thread has become a spin a thread . but we all know TC self owned him self which is always funny .

Might I remind everyone, including tango90101, of the original post?

[QUOTE="tango90101"]will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)SpruceCaboose

Notice where he says "they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering..."

No where in that statement is there mention of indie developers. It was about gamers creating the content. Now I ask again, where on the 360 is there gamer created content that is available to buy? I am not talking indie developers, I am talking gamers.

Indie means, independant. It could be one person or a whole company.... 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

Javy03

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

No, its about gamers on consoles getting the chance to play indie games and that has been done well before the 360.  I am sure you love to add in your specific criteria even though you original post said nothing about online distribution, to try and convince yourself your right but the truth is gamers have been able to play games on their consoles made by indie companies.  Whether we get it online or via a disk, it doesnt matter the point is neither online distribution nor indie games being made for consoles is innovative.

sorry you can't keep up, but ms is only giving indie games via xbox live...

that's what this was about...

but nooooooooooo....you had to go back into history to say how it's not innovative...

i've been a console player all my life, and this strategy seems innovative to me....

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

tango90101

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

NO, I report posters for blatant trolling.  I can't help it if GS looked at your behaviour and said it was a bannable offense.  I strill have the angry emails you sent me crying about how unfair it was.  I like to read them for a good laugh from time to time. 

I've been banned a few times, sometimes I think it's unfair, but I've never sent such an agry, irrational email to anyone because of it.

The fact is that, as usual, you made an incorrect claim in order to spew your irrational hatred for Sony.  You have a double standard where it's okay for MS to do something but not okay for Sony to act in the exact same way.  In this case you call it copying...something MS has built their entire fortune on.  But when you think Sony has
copied" somebody you bash them for it.

Meanwhile, when people point out that you are wrong and Sony was the first console maker to do what you accuse them of copying, then you start making up the rules.  SUddenly it's only relevant if it's online on a Saturday afternoon from 2 - 4:30.  Any other time doesn't count.  then when people call you out on this you act like they are stupid for not divining the secret meaning from your original thread.

So I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that you can't admit being wrong (no shame in it, my friend) or that you never seem capable of making a proper thread that people can properly understand.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

Rosencrantz

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

NO, I report posters for blatant trolling.  I can't help it if GS looked at your behaviour and said it was a bannable offense.  I strill have the angry emails you sent me crying about how unfair it was.  I like to read them for a good laugh from time to time. 

I've been banned a few times, sometimes I think it's unfair, but I've never sent such an agry, irrational email to anyone because of it.

The fact is that, as usual, you made an incorrect claim in order to spew your irrational hatred for Sony.  You have a double standard where it's okay for MS to do something but not okay for Sony to act in the exact same way.  In this case you call it copying...something MS has built their entire fortune on.  But when you think Sony has
copied" somebody you bash them for it.

Meanwhile, when people point out that you are wrong and Sony was the first console maker to do what you accuse them of copying, then you start making up the rules.  SUddenly it's only relevant if it's online on a Saturday afternoon from 2 - 4:30.  Any other time doesn't count.  then when people call you out on this you act like they are stupid for not divining the secret meaning from your original thread.

So I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that you can't admit being wrong (no shame in it, my friend) or that you never seem capable of making a proper thread that people can properly understand.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

tango90101

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

No, its about gamers on consoles getting the chance to play indie games and that has been done well before the 360.  I am sure you love to add in your specific criteria even though you original post said nothing about online distribution, to try and convince yourself your right but the truth is gamers have been able to play games on their consoles made by indie companies.  Whether we get it online or via a disk, it doesnt matter the point is neither online distribution nor indie games being made for consoles is innovative.

sorry you can't keep up, but ms is only giving indie games via xbox live...

that's what this was about...

but nooooooooooo....you had to go back into history to say how it's not innovative...

i've been a console player all my life, and this strategy seems innovative to me....

Great but the problem is you cant argue and condemn another console based off of what YOUR opinion of innovative is.  It has nothing to do with keeping up, it has to do with the lack of logic in your posts and your constant flip flopping. 

PC anyone?Acenso

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

Javy03

Poor HD... he doesn't even realize that the article he linked to says that Sony was the first to do this "years ago".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

Keep up the good work HD ... I can always use a laugh in the morning. :lol: 

how many user created games are on the ps3..?

yep... none..

xbox live?  marble blast is one...

yep, sony is "first"....:roll:

This is not about who had the first game available for the public.  You accused Sony of copying MS by announcing the ability for the public to make games.  It has been pointed out a number of times that SONY was the first company to offer this feature.

Now. after being made to look like an ignorant fool, you try to change the subject?  That is sad.  If want to have any credibility at all you should admit you were wrong and move on.  By trying to spin your way out of this you only make yourself look even more ridiculous.

poor rosie... try some decaff....:lol:

look we're talking about the ps3 and 360.  I assumed you cows knew it was about online distribution as no user created 360 games are coming on disk that i know of... only online distribution...

it's already been established Marble blast was first using XNA and avail for d/l...

the ps3? none

"ignorant fool"..? funny becuase you report posters for less than that...;)

No, its about gamers on consoles getting the chance to play indie games and that has been done well before the 360.  I am sure you love to add in your specific criteria even though you original post said nothing about online distribution, to try and convince yourself your right but the truth is gamers have been able to play games on their consoles made by indie companies.  Whether we get it online or via a disk, it doesnt matter the point is neither online distribution nor indie games being made for consoles is innovative.

sorry you can't keep up, but ms is only giving indie games via xbox live...

that's what this was about...

but nooooooooooo....you had to go back into history to say how it's not innovative...

i've been a console player all my life, and this strategy seems innovative to me....

Great but the problem is you cant argue and condemn another console based off of what YOUR opinion of innovative is.  It has nothing to do with keeping up, it has to do with the lack of logic in your posts and your constant flip flopping. 

the prob is:

1. cows don't realize that MS has committed to indie and user created content thru xbox live only. no mention of disk pressing.

2. sony has ALSO stated their intentions to offer indie games via PSN

3. this topic was about next gen offerings....

4. this topic was about ms being first to offer this.

5. this topic was about sony "may" (or may not) include this in PSN for future developers.

6. this topic is over the head of most bovines who like to live in the past, skewing facts to avoid the topic.

i agree i should have stated online distribution, but since it's ms only intention and sony's stated as well, it should have been understood, but can understand why it wasn't.

i often have to lead bovines thru topics to keep them on point...;)

MS is first. Sony is trying. that's the only point.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Might I remind everyone, including tango90101, of the original post?

[QUOTE="tango90101"]will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)snyper1982

Notice where he says "they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering..."

No where in that statement is there mention of indie developers. It was about gamers creating the content. Now I ask again, where on the 360 is there gamer created content that is available to buy? I am not talking indie developers, I am talking gamers.

Indie means, independant. It could be one person or a whole company.... 

In games industry Indie doesn't mean independent . Every indie dev is independent, but not every independent dev is indie. Independent simply means not owned by some other company. For example Valve and Epic are independent developers, but they sure as hell aren't indie. Indie dev is just very small indepdent developer who makes "do it yourself games" and operates in certain niche.Simply put they are "bedroom game makers' 

This thread is hilarious. TC self owning himself countless times and denying it.. I'm bookmarking this. :lol:Not-A-Stalker

Seriously, don't bother. He'll do it again tomorrow. 

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

tango90101

the prob is:

1. cows don't realize that MS has committed to indie and user created content thru xbox live only. no mention of disk pressing.

2. sony has ALSO stated their intentions to offer indie games via PSN

3. this topic was about next gen offerings....

4. this topic was about ms being first to offer this.

5. this topic was about sony "may" (or may not) include this in PSN for future developers.

6. this topic is over the head of most bovines who like to live in the past, skewing facts to avoid the topic.

i agree i should have stated online distribution, but since it's ms only intention and sony's stated as well, it should have been understood, but can understand why it wasn't.

i often have to lead bovines thru topics to keep them on point...;)

MS is first. Sony is trying. that's the only point.

Oh...so now you have changed the point of this thread to cows understanding of MS's commitment to indie content?  When have cows EVER commented at all, good or bad, towards MS's commitments?  Seriously?  When did this happen so that you felt the need to make a thread defending MS's commitment to indie content.

I have quoted your original post.  The title of this thread is "Sony copied MS and XNA...again".  Then your pirst post contains comments such as "will sony ever have an idea for themselves" and "apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering..".   You say nothing about online only delivery.  You say nothing about who will be first to deliver or who has the strongest "commitment".

Using your own words, the intent is clear.  You thought MS was the first to have the idea or allowing indie gamers/devs to makes games for their console.  People called you on it and now you are backpeddling and making excuses.  Using your own words, from your very first post...you are wrong.  The people who called you on it are right.  Sony didn't copy MS the way you claim.  Sony had the idea long before MS. 

Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3tango90101

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

M$ was the creator behind homebrews?

:lol: 

LongshotX2

\thread

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3Runningflame570

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

tango90101

Wow, you are really smart! NOT.

[QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3alfy13

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

it's funny you guys have go so far back in history to try to prove a point.

the point is; MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3tango90101

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

it's funny you guys have go so far back in history to try to prove a point.

the point is; MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

LOL....funny we go as far back in history???  I guess since the toaster was invented a long time ago I can just make myself a toaster and claim it as innovative....LOL..get real.  And so far after all the time the 360 has been out the only "indie" game you can name is a remake of a game that was innovative in 2003.  Yea thats a huge committment.  A year and a half of Live and they have one Indie game.

MS didnt create online distribution or indie games on consoles.

Is XNA available now? If no, how did a user created game was made? And I thought Flow was user created. As far as I know, it is a thesis of a college student.jsnepo

Yeah, XNA Studio is available.  Haven't heard of too many projects using it, since a) you have to pay for it b) there's no good way to distribute your work and c) nobody wants to use C# or managed code.

FlOw was originally made by a student, who I belive started his or her own small studio.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3Javy03

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

it's funny you guys have go so far back in history to try to prove a point.

the point is; MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

LOL....funny we go as far back in history???  I guess since the toaster was invented a long time ago I can just make myself a toaster and claim it as innovative....LOL..get real.  And so far after all the time the 360 has been out the only "indie" game you can name is a remake of a game that was innovative in 2003.  Yea thats a huge committment.  A year and a half of Live and they have one Indie game.

MS didnt create online distribution or indie games on consoles.

pretty lame analogy with the toaster-thing...:roll:

ms is the only one doing it this generation.

meanwhile sony milks a usercreated game from years ago.

can you name one other subscripton based online console service that did it before now?

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

[QUOTE="jsnepo"]Is XNA available now? If no, how did a user created game was made? And I thought Flow was user created. As far as I know, it is a thesis of a college student.Teufelhuhn

Yeah, XNA Studio is available. Haven't heard of too many projects using it, since a) you have to pay for it b) there's no good way to distribute your work and c) nobody wants to use C# or managed code.

FlOw was originally made by a student, who I belive started his or her own small studio.

Oh. Thanks for the information. I am actually excited about user created contents. There are a lot of people with great game design ideas. Just look at all the flash games out there.

And oh yeah, ownage approved for the TC.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3tango90101

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

it's funny you guys have go so far back in history to try to prove a point.

the point is; MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

LOL....funny we go as far back in history???  I guess since the toaster was invented a long time ago I can just make myself a toaster and claim it as innovative....LOL..get real.  And so far after all the time the 360 has been out the only "indie" game you can name is a remake of a game that was innovative in 2003.  Yea thats a huge committment.  A year and a half of Live and they have one Indie game.

MS didnt create online distribution or indie games on consoles.

pretty lame analogy with the toaster-thing...:roll:

ms is the only one doing it this generation.

meanwhile sony milks a usercreated game from years ago.

can you name one other subscripton based online console service that did it before now?

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

1. i find the toaster analogy funny. i mean he had to break it down to your lvl.

2. ms is the only what this gen? over pricing 20gig hd this gen.

3. i just dont get. you been pretty much saying sony copied ms with user created games. but then you state taht sony has been milking usercreated games for years. so which is it, sony is the first to allow user created games or MS? because in your statement just now , sounds like sony was first.

4. nope i cant name no other subscription based service for consoles or pc until MS decided to join the console word. i still think its milking for peer to peer game play. others may beg to differ.

5.

will sony ever get an idea for themselves?

http://crunchgear.com/2007/04/23/sony-says-it-may-allow-indie-developers-for-the-ps3/

apparently they want to offer their gamers the chance to create their own games on the ps3.... much like what MS is offering...

this should be interesting to see what gamers can come up with....:)

 

 

tango90101

Uh...M$ copied Sony on this one PAL. PS2 offered this already, as did PSOne. Nice try trolling there. 

HEY EVERYONE, LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!!

games: 8

Hmm...apparently you CAN get user-created games on PS2. 

HEY EVERYONE, LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!!

games: 8

Hmm...apparently you CAN get user-created games on PS2. 

Runningflame570

Sony already did this with the PS2. It was caled "Net Yaroze".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Yaroze

 

gmastersexay

oh wait!!!...hell yeah i do remember something like that!....the PS2 had some sort of hardware you could hook up to it which was called "TOOL" and you could make your own video games for the PS2. This even came out like a year or two after the PS2 was released. I'll go get a picture of it right now.....

here it is

and you fanboys trying to say Sony is trying to copy...HAH!

FlOw was originally made by a student, who I belive started his or her own small studio.

Teufelhuhn

Not exacly. He designed Cloud and then Fl0W. Then Sony bought Fl0W rights and redesigned it for PSN, the original author didn't take part in the development ,because he was hired by Maxis to work as lead on the first stage of evolution on SPORE( which will resemble Fl0W) 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3alfy13

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

it's funny you guys have go so far back in history to try to prove a point.

the point is; MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

LOL....funny we go as far back in history???  I guess since the toaster was invented a long time ago I can just make myself a toaster and claim it as innovative....LOL..get real.  And so far after all the time the 360 has been out the only "indie" game you can name is a remake of a game that was innovative in 2003.  Yea thats a huge committment.  A year and a half of Live and they have one Indie game.

MS didnt create online distribution or indie games on consoles.

pretty lame analogy with the toaster-thing...:roll:

ms is the only one doing it this generation.

meanwhile sony milks a usercreated game from years ago.

can you name one other subscripton based online console service that did it before now?

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

1. i find the toaster analogy funny. i mean he had to break it down to your lvl.

2. ms is the only what this gen? over pricing 20gig hd this gen.

3. i just dont get. you been pretty much saying sony copied ms with user created games. but then you state taht sony has been milking usercreated games for years. so which is it, sony is the first to allow user created games or MS? because in your statement just now , sounds like sony was first.

4. nope i cant name no other subscription based service for consoles or pc until MS decided to join the console word. i still think its milking for peer to peer game play. others may beg to differ.

5.

1. the toaster thing has no bearing. but not suprised you posted it.  software and hardware...great analogy...

2. we're talking about offering indie and user created content via an online service.

3. if you want go farther back sony wasn't the first.  but we're talkign about next gen consoles and services.

4. thank you. MS is first. 

whoops, probably shouldve kept my mouth shut 

 

tango90101

lmao 

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]Nonsensical stuff about user-created content on PS3tango90101

Devil Dice was a user created game that made it into retail..this was all the way back in the late 90s.

this is about indie games coming to online distribution. apparently the rest of the cows missed this point as well... as usual.

tango90101

PC was the first with user-generated online games, PS1 was the first one to offer user-generated game titles on consoles, Intellivision was the first to offer digital distribution with their PlayCable, Sega was the first to offer online console gameplay, Nintendo was the first to use rumble, Atari was the first with analog sticks..you see how insignificant the whole thing really is that Microsoft is now doing this?

but yah i your post i agree wtih 100%.

it's funny you guys have go so far back in history to try to prove a point.

the point is; MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

LOL....funny we go as far back in history???  I guess since the toaster was invented a long time ago I can just make myself a toaster and claim it as innovative....LOL..get real.  And so far after all the time the 360 has been out the only "indie" game you can name is a remake of a game that was innovative in 2003.  Yea thats a huge committment.  A year and a half of Live and they have one Indie game.

MS didnt create online distribution or indie games on consoles.

pretty lame analogy with the toaster-thing...:roll:

ms is the only one doing it this generation.

meanwhile sony milks a usercreated game from years ago.

can you name one other subscripton based online console service that did it before now?

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

1. i find the toaster analogy funny. i mean he had to break it down to your lvl.

2. ms is the only what this gen? over pricing 20gig hd this gen.

3. i just dont get. you been pretty much saying sony copied ms with user created games. but then you state taht sony has been milking usercreated games for years. so which is it, sony is the first to allow user created games or MS? because in your statement just now , sounds like sony was first.

4. nope i cant name no other subscription based service for consoles or pc until MS decided to join the console word. i still think its milking for peer to peer game play. others may beg to differ.

5.

1. the toaster thing has no bearing. but not suprised you posted it.  software and hardware...great analogy...

2. we're talking about offering indie and user created content via an online service.

3. if you want go farther back sony wasn't the first.  but we're talkign about next gen consoles and services.

4. thank you. MS is first. 

so with your logic. you are saying that MS copied Sony because they offered a DVD drive first last gen? do you know how stupid i just sounded saying that?

MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

tango90101

Which coincidentally enough PC indies have done for around a decade now. PS3 came with indie games downloadable around a month after launch, it was nearly half a year for 360 to get similar offerings. Now, PS3 obviously can't be "first" if they launch a year later and indie offerings come to 360 half a year later but on a launch comparison PS3 was once again..first.

See the problems with your post?

Btw, I'm bookmarking this too..way too funny. Too bad we can't get posters custom tags like Neogaf (where you actually would have been banned by now for trolling).

tango90101
The new Redcloak

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

tango90101

The lack of a subscription is an asset, changing the rules again? Heres the rules I'll put in place then:

1) First to do something

2) MUST BE FOR CONSOLES

3) Must not be online distro

4) Must be completely original

5) Must not be subscription-based

6) No more than 10K lines of code

7) Includes letter "X" in the title

8) Programming team limit 10 ppl

See how easy it is to make an argument unwinnable by constantly changing the rules?

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

Runningflame570

Which coincidentally enough PC indies have done for around a decade now. PS3 came with indie games downloadable around a month after launch, it was nearly half a year for 360 to get similar offerings. Now, PS3 obviously can't be "first" if they launch a year later and indie offerings come to 360 half a year later but on a launch comparison PS3 was once again..first.

See the problems with your post?

Btw, I'm bookmarking this too..way too funny. Too bad we can't get posters custom tags like Neogaf (where you actually would have been banned by now for trolling).

tango90101
The new Redcloak

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

tango90101

The lack of a subscription is an asset, changing the rules again? Heres the rules I'll put in place then:

1) First to do something

2) MUST BE FOR CONSOLES

3) Must not be online distro

4) Must be completely original

5) Must not be subscription-based

6) No more than 10K lines of code

7) Includes letter "X" in the title

8) Programming team limit 10 ppl

See how easy it is to make an argument unwinnable by constantly changing the rules?

maybe if you understood the core point, you wouldn't have gone to so much trouble.

this was about the 360 vs. ps3 offering usercreated and indie content via download.  (it's the ONLY means ms has stated for releasing indie content)

yet you and the other fanboys had to take ONE sentence out of the entire article to key in on in hopes of looking "cool".

pathetic.

come back when the ps3's PSN lives up to xbox live...;)

HDguy_basic. God I love you.-Pale

Certain fanboys just bring joy to us all with their self-ownage. 

[QUOTE="-Pale"]HDguy_basic. God I love you.Runningflame570

Certain fanboys just bring joy to us all with their self-ownage. 

especially those who can't distinquish last generation from next gneration console gaming.. eh?  ;)

[QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

MS is making a business model out of indie/user created games.

sony is talking..;)

tango90101

Which coincidentally enough PC indies have done for around a decade now. PS3 came with indie games downloadable around a month after launch, it was nearly half a year for 360 to get similar offerings. Now, PS3 obviously can't be "first" if they launch a year later and indie offerings come to 360 half a year later but on a launch comparison PS3 was once again..first.

See the problems with your post?

Btw, I'm bookmarking this too..way too funny. Too bad we can't get posters custom tags like Neogaf (where you actually would have been banned by now for trolling).

tango90101
The new Redcloak

the ps2 was not subscription based...;)

tango90101

The lack of a subscription is an asset, changing the rules again? Heres the rules I'll put in place then:

1) First to do something

2) MUST BE FOR CONSOLES

3) Must not be online distro

4) Must be completely original

5) Must not be subscription-based

6) No more than 10K lines of code

7) Includes letter "X" in the title

8) Programming team limit 10 ppl

See how easy it is to make an argument unwinnable by constantly changing the rules?

maybe if you understood the core point, you wouldn't have gone to so much trouble.

this was about the 360 vs. ps3 offering usercreated and indie content via download. (it's the ONLY means ms has stated for releasing indie content)

yet you and the other fanboys had to take ONE sentence out of the entire article to key in on in hopes of looking "cool".

pathetic.

come back when the ps3's PSN lives up to xbox live...;)

Now it is between Xbox 360 and PS3 only. I can't believe the TC is still posting.