Sony deserves applause for pulling off the biggest con in gaming history

Oh and didn't it work so well!

Sony focused heavily on the new Bluray technology knowing it had a strong gaming brand and a market full of early adopters. It used this leverage, along with a large hit to its bottom line, to knock off it's rival HD-DVD even though they had the cheaper product both in terms of players/media and included features.

I think they deliberately slowed the release of games at launch so that people would utilise the Bluray function thus allowing the market see that Bluray movie sales were steadily climbing. This is conjecture though as i'm willing to admit.

What is not conjecture is that they were willing to lie about the power of the machine, lie about the necessity of Bluray for its games, risk losing their gaming audience by overpricing the console and producing a weak line up of games for it's first year. I don't think any rational person can deny that the launch of the PS3 was not about games but about establishing the next-gen movie format.

For further proof of how little they cared about gamers just see their battle with Immersion technologies over rumble. They took a well liked and established feature of controllers and threw it out of the window to avoid having to pay Immersion for illegally using rumble on the PS2. Seeing as rumble isn't needed for movies they felt the best bet was to tack on some basic feature *cough* Sixaxis *cough* and tell their consumers that they didn't want rumble as motion was the way forward.

Clearly it wasn't the way forward. When it was obvious motion control as Sony had implimented it was pretty much a gimmick, and after massive backlash, they gave in and forced anyone wanting a new rumble controller, that had already bought their other version, the chance to pay even more for their new one.

If, like me, you bought their console early on the promise of ground breaking graphics and a 'new level of gaming' then I apologise to you on behalf of Sony, as they clearly never will. Still, credit where credit is due, they did manage to pull the wool over a few million customers eyes, just enough to win their battle.

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

Yeah Sony has made some silly mistakes but I don't consider Blu-ray to be one of them, kep in mind Blu-ray is used for games as well not just movies. Nintendo went arrogant in the N64 era and Sony did it this gen, good thig they noticed before it's too late because I held of buying a PS3 for too long and next week I'll finally have one. Sony's attitude has changed drastically this year and before this year is over everything will go right for the PS3, rumble will be available WW along with ingame XMB, Home, lots of quality titles.

I guess when your at the top theres no way to go but down, it happened to Nintendo and now it happened to Sony.

Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... Hype_Status

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... Hype_Status

you are wrong...

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

SpruceCaboose

Yeah, you're right.. deliberately deceiving people and physically forcing people to buy something are totally different... in principal only, mind you. Its still a pretty crappy thing to do. And no, Microsoft nor Nintendo did anything close to this.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

WillieBeamish

No, you're right.. deliberately deceiving people and physically forcing people to buy something are totally different, in principal only, mind you.

Have you been living under a rock? This has been going on for ages.

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... fishfake

you are wrong...

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... exiledsnake

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26422776&msg_id=302130889#302130889

[QUOTE="fishfake"]

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... Hype_Status

you are wrong...

Have you been hit? Naw, buy Xbox 360 and smile instead! You know that I'm right and I bet you look at your PlayStation 3 with billions of tears falling down your face.

and do you want a ban ?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

WillieBeamish

No, you're right.. deliberately deceiving people and physically forcing people to buy something are totally different, in principal only, mind you.

Same as Microsoft? How about Nintendo? Nope, you are right. No other company in the world exaggerates abut their products. What am I thinking...

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"][QUOTE="fishfake"]

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... fishfake

you are wrong...

Have you been hit? Naw, buy Xbox 360 and smile instead! You know that I'm right and I bet you look at your PlayStation 3 with billions of tears falling down your face.

and do you want a ban ?

so, if you wanna stay, you lie?!?!

Yeah Sony has made some silly mistakes but I don't consider Blu-ray to be one of them, kep in mind Blu-ray is used for games as well not just movies.

Solid_Tekken

Yep, they use blu-ray in games all the time.. It helps keep the load times crawling to the point where every game is going to wind up having mandatory installations that can take up to 25% of your HDD depending on which PS3 model you own. Wow, such an awesome advantage.

Oh and all those sprawling worlds they promised could never fit on a DVD.. you know, like Oblivion, GTAIV, etc.. Yup, sounds like Sony is leading you by your leash if you still believe Blu-ray is anything but a gimmick for gaming.

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... exiledsnake

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

rofl ridiculous

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

exiledsnake

No, you're right.. deliberately deceiving people and physically forcing people to buy something are totally different, in principal only, mind you.

Have you been living under a rock? This has been going on for ages.

When did Microsoft say, "We are including a proprietary piece of hardware that has a purpose for something other than gaming, yet we are touting it as some kind of gaming break-through that will destroy the competition"?

The only thing Nintendo ever touted that was nonstandard was the wiimote, and if you hadn't noticed, that DID destroy the competition.

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... Ukapx

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

rofl ridiculous

those hype guy is also trolling in 3 other threads. he must be very angry about something that he made a new account:lol:

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... exiledsnake

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

What? No, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots won't be more successful than Grand Theft Auto IV in terms of scores and sales, and Halo 3's sales will apparently kill these, at least day one in the USA!

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... exiledsnake

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

lol For real.

Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... Hype_Status

Ignoring the many AAA and AAAA scores I see ;).

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... TREAL_Since

Ignoring the many AAA and AAAA scores I see ;).

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

WillieBeamish

Yeah, you're right.. deliberately deceiving people and physically forcing people to buy something are totally different... in principal only, mind you. Its still a pretty crappy thing to do. And no, Microsoft nor Nintendo did anything close to this.

Microsoft didnt "spin" or, well, flat out lie about saying the 360's failure rate was "well within industry standards of 3 to 5 percent"?

I can tell you I was much more dissapointed with my RROD'd 360 than I was when I realized Resistance wasnt 120 FPS.

I'm not excusing Sony, I'm just not going to sit here and excuse Microsoft either. They are both spin kings.

When did Microsoft say, "We are including a proprietary piece of hardware that has a purpose for something other than gaming, yet we are touting it as some kind of gaming break-through that will destroy the competition"?

The only thing Nintendo ever touted that was nonstandard was the wiimote, and if you hadn't noticed, that DID destroy the competition.

WillieBeamish

And Sony was also the first company to introduce DVD as a gaming format while people said the exact same things you are about CDs, ie that there was no need to switch to DVD.

Sony had dual motives for the Blu-Ray drive, obviously, but the added storage apace on the disc is a benefit as well.

Sony deserves applause for selling a dumbed down 360 to Cows for 600 dollars

The very fact that there are people out there who'd buy one is hilarious, but what is more hilarious is that Sony managed to find these people and sell their crap to them

[QUOTE="Ukapx"][QUOTE="exiledsnake"]

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]Frankly, I think that PlayStation 3 is one of the worst consoles ever made. I mean, where do we have the games? Haze flopped extremely badly - it fell with a thud. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 8/10 by Eurogamer and Edge, I mean, come on! This is laughable! When are you going to realize that Killzone 2 won't stand a chance? Gears of War 2 is going to curb stomp it and no one is looking forward to Killzone 2! Poor PlayStation 3 owners, get a real console and smile... fishfake

tell me you're joking right? ignore all the other scores why don't you.

rofl ridiculous

those hype guy is also trolling in 3 other threads. he must be very angry about something that he made a new account:lol:

And 8/10 is still good what ever way you try to spin it lol.

Sony deserves applause for selling a dumbed down 360 to Cows for 600 dollars

vicmackey39

Few faults. The PS3 is much cheaper than that now, and not everyone who buys a PS3 is a cow.

Few faults. The PS3 is much cheaper than that now, and not everyone who buys a PS3 is a cow.

SpruceCaboose

they still sold a few for 600. As for PS3 owners if they're not cows or HD movie enthusiasts there's something seriously wrong with them and they should consult a doctor

This game will fail in terms of scores and sales! All hail Grand Theft Auto IV!Hype_Status

Sony deserves applause for selling a dumbed down 360 to Cows for 600 dollars

The very fact that there are people out there who'd buy one is hilarious, but what is more hilarious is that Sony managed to find these people and sell their crap to them

vicmackey39

A dumbed down 360? I thought it was the 360 that had an HD DVD add on, WiFi adapter, and HDMI port?

Vic, you obviously dont have one, so why dont you quit acting like you know so much about it? Seriously, all you do is bash the PS3, which would be fine if you actually had one, but you dont. Most people would agree they are having a good time with their PS3, and in my case, a better time with my PS3 than I am my 360.

What is hilarious is that people will go out of their way to bash a product they dont even own on a forum as if they have a personal beef to settle.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Few faults. The PS3 is much cheaper than that now, and not everyone who buys a PS3 is a cow.

vicmackey39

they still sold a few for 600. As for PS3 owners if they're not cows or HD movie enthusiasts there's something seriously wrong with them and they should consult a doctor

i dont think doctors will give them 600$ for the ps3 :D

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Few faults. The PS3 is much cheaper than that now, and not everyone who buys a PS3 is a cow.

vicmackey39

they still sold a few for 600. As for PS3 owners if they're not cows or HD movie enthusiasts there's something seriously wrong with them and they should consult a doctor

For buying a game system? I know plenty of people who would need to see a doctor then.

But I guess you are right. Selfishly spending $250 or more on a hunk of electronics and plastic with the current state of the economy is a bit symptomatic of disease, and gaming is completely without any redeaming entertainment value.

[QUOTE="Hype_Status"]This game will fail in terms of scores and sales! All hail Grand Theft Auto IV!angelkimne

DVD-9 cannot hold an HD film.

:lol: Funny read.

Sony HAD to put the blu-ray into the PS3 to give it an edge. Why did it need that edge? Because MS' crap deal with hardware makers fell through and they wrre trying to get into this gen early to catch a quick lead.

And MS did just that.

Do you deny the huge mountain PS3 had to climb last year?

And then you make the worst statements of all.

"Seeing as rumble isn't needed for movies they felt the best bet was to tack on some basic feature *cough* Sixaxis *cough* and tell their consumers that they didn't want rumble as motion was the way forward."

:lol: This is classic! You're saying they removed the rumble because it didn't have anything to do with movies. But they added the six-axis, which does have to do with movies? :lol:

Oh, the BS flows heavy near Stonin.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="Hype_Status"]This game will fail in terms of scores and sales! All hail Grand Theft Auto IV!SpruceCaboose

DVD-9 cannot hold an HD film.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="Hype_Status"]This game will fail in terms of scores and sales! All hail Grand Theft Auto IV!angelkimne

DVD-9 cannot hold an HD film.

It lacks the space on disc and the bit-rate.

Oh and didn't it work so well!

Sony focused heavily on the new Bluray technology knowing it had a strong gaming brand and a market full of early adopters. It used this leverage, along with a large hit to its bottom line, to knock off it's rival HD-DVD even though they had the cheaper product both in terms of players/media and included features.

I think they deliberately slowed the release of games at launch so that people would utilise the Bluray function thus allowing the market see that Bluray movie sales were steadily climbing. This is conjecture though as i'm willing to admit.

What is not conjecture is that they were willing to lie about the power of the machine, lie about the necessity of Bluray for its games, risk losing their gaming audience by overpricing the console and producing a weak line up of games for it's first year. I don't think any rational person can deny that the launch of the PS3 was not about games but about establishing the next-gen movie format.

For further proof of how little they cared about gamers just see their battle with Immersion technologies over rumble. They took a well liked and established feature of controllers and threw it out of the window to avoid having to pay Immersion for illegally using rumble on the PS2. Seeing as rumble isn't needed for movies they felt the best bet was to tack on some basic feature *cough* Sixaxis *cough* and tell their consumers that they didn't want rumble as motion was the way forward.

Clearly it wasn't the way forward. When it was obvious motion control as Sony had implimented it was pretty much a gimmick, and after massive backlash, they gave in and forced anyone wanting a new rumble controller, that had already bought their other version, the chance to pay even more for their new one.

If, like me, you bought their console early on the promise of ground breaking graphics and a 'new level of gaming' then I apologise to you on behalf of Sony, as they clearly never will. Still, credit where credit is due, they did manage to pull the wool over a few million customers eyes, just enough to win their battle.

Stonin

I am sorry to inform you that you have broken the law. I'm here from the conspiracy agency and you have violated conspiracy law. You must mention little green aliens at least 3 times and/or an evil government bent on the destruction of human kind for no particular reason.

All of the gaming companies made their bets on what the best moves would be for making a great console. Sony decided having Blu Ray would be a good idea. Personaly, I kinda like it. I also like the fact that all PS3s have a hard drive (not the case with the Xbox 360). Personaly, I've been pretty happy with my PS3 as have many other people. If you were expecting the second coming, you're expectations are too high. Every console maker over hypes their machines including Microsoft. That's what companies do. I mean, when was the last time you saw an advertisement for ANY product proclaiming that it's a good but not revolutionary product? Every company says their product is absolutely unbelievable and NONE of them are.

TC,

Sony's system isn't overpriced, it is actually underpriced. It is expensive, but it isn't overpriced.

The Wii, however, is overpriced. The technology in the system is inferior by today's standards and I remember an article claiming that the cost to make a Wii was under $200 somewhere in the 160-180 range, yet they charge $250 for it.

The 360 came out with faulty hardware that they are still trying to fix to this day.

All three companies have made their false promises and lies and spins to get you, the consumer, to buy their product.

People need to wake up and realize that this is a business and it is a big business so companies aren't going to buckle for a few people with complaints, when the majority of their consumers really don't care about these issues at all!

Oh and didn't it work so well!

Sony focused heavily on the new Bluray technology knowing it had a strong gaming brand and a market full of early adopters. It used this leverage, along with a large hit to its bottom line, to knock off it's rival HD-DVD even though they had the cheaper product both in terms of players/media and included features.

I think they deliberately slowed the release of games at launch so that people would utilise the Bluray function thus allowing the market see that Bluray movie sales were steadily climbing. This is conjecture though as i'm willing to admit.

What is not conjecture is that they were willing to lie about the power of the machine, lie about the necessity of Bluray for its games, risk losing their gaming audience by overpricing the console and producing a weak line up of games for it's first year. I don't think any rational person can deny that the launch of the PS3 was not about games but about establishing the next-gen movie format.

For further proof of how little they cared about gamers just see their battle with Immersion technologies over rumble. They took a well liked and established feature of controllers and threw it out of the window to avoid having to pay Immersion for illegally using rumble on the PS2. Seeing as rumble isn't needed for movies they felt the best bet was to tack on some basic feature *cough* Sixaxis *cough* and tell their consumers that they didn't want rumble as motion was the way forward.

Clearly it wasn't the way forward. When it was obvious motion control as Sony had implimented it was pretty much a gimmick, and after massive backlash, they gave in and forced anyone wanting a new rumble controller, that had already bought their other version, the chance to pay even more for their new one.

If, like me, you bought their console early on the promise of ground breaking graphics and a 'new level of gaming' then I apologise to you on behalf of Sony, as they clearly never will. Still, credit where credit is due, they did manage to pull the wool over a few million customers eyes, just enough to win their battle.

Stonin

Metacritic links:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

SpruceCaboose

TC,

Sony's system isn't overpriced, it is actually underpriced. It is expensive, but it isn't overpriced.

The Wii, however, is overpriced. The technology in the system is inferior by today's standards and I remember an article claiming that the cost to make a Wii was under $200 somewhere in the 160-180 range, yet they charge $250 for it.

The 360 came out with faulty hardware that they are still trying to fix to this day.

All three companies have made their false promises and lies and spins to get you, the consumer, to buy their product.

People need to wake up and realize that this is a business and it is a big business so companies aren't going to buckle for a few people with complaints, when the majority of their consumers really don't care about these issues at all!

CajunShooter

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

TC,

Sony's system isn't overpriced, it is actually underpriced. It is expensive, but it isn't overpriced.

The Wii, however, is overpriced. The technology in the system is inferior by today's standards and I remember an article claiming that the cost to make a Wii was under $200 somewhere in the 160-180 range, yet they charge $250 for it.

The 360 came out with faulty hardware that they are still trying to fix to this day.

All three companies have made their false promises and lies and spins to get you, the consumer, to buy their product.

People need to wake up and realize that this is a business and it is a big business so companies aren't going to buckle for a few people with complaints, when the majority of their consumers really don't care about these issues at all!

insanewolfninja

Yeah, they do about that, but other things on the system people don't care about. Probably a bad example for the 360.

But the fact is, most people buy a system and spend very little time caring about all the other little additonal things the system could offer if you know about them.

[QUOTE="insanewolfninja"][QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

TC,

Sony's system isn't overpriced, it is actually underpriced. It is expensive, but it isn't overpriced.

The Wii, however, is overpriced. The technology in the system is inferior by today's standards and I remember an article claiming that the cost to make a Wii was under $200 somewhere in the 160-180 range, yet they charge $250 for it.

The 360 came out with faulty hardware that they are still trying to fix to this day.

All three companies have made their false promises and lies and spins to get you, the consumer, to buy their product.

People need to wake up and realize that this is a business and it is a big business so companies aren't going to buckle for a few people with complaints, when the majority of their consumers really don't care about these issues at all!

CajunShooter

Yeah, they do about that, but other things on the system people don't care about. Probably a bad example for the 360.

But the fact is, most people buy a system and spend very little time caring about all the other little additonal things the system could offer if you know about them.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Hey, every company has PR and spin. Microsoft does it, Nintendo does it, its a business fact of life.

And no one forced anyone to buy a PS3 or Blu-Ray movies.

insanewolfninja