Sony discovers Cell+RSX rendering technique

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

[QUOTE="thinicer"]Redfingers, that's all well and good, but nobody is disputing the power of the PS3. PS3 games look good and will continue to look fantastic in future titles. But as we have seen in previous generations, raw power and graphics is not going to win you a console war. Price and content, two things the PS3 is having real trouble with right now, will do that for you.muscleserge

Except people are disputing the power of the PS3. There are still people under the delusion that the 360 is more powerful because of some badly optimzed ports. Theare are people on this forum that are under the delusion that a 7900gtx can outperform the PS3 on anything and everything( sorry only on badly optimized pc ports).

max? no sorry on high yes, not the high end of high either....crysis is built to maxed on pc's that aren't even out yet the devs keep saying...u fail.

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]any pic's? :O
Btw i'm never going to post good ps3 news on sw,again.
Teufelhuhn

Is there any chance that you could explain this new rendering technique that the TC was talking about in a language that us mere mortals would understand? :D

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

[QUOTE="thinicer"]Redfingers, that's all well and good, but nobody is disputing the power of the PS3. PS3 games look good and will continue to look fantastic in future titles. But as we have seen in previous generations, raw power and graphics is not going to win you a console war. Price and content, two things the PS3 is having real trouble with right now, will do that for you.-wii60-

Except people are disputing the power of the PS3. There are still people under the delusion that the 360 is more powerful because of some badly optimzed ports. Theare are people on this forum that are under the delusion that a 7900gtx can outperform the PS3 on anything and everything( sorry only on badly optimized pc ports).

I think most of us are simply waiting for some tangible proof of the PS3's so-called graphical superiority, because there hasn't been any.

You obviously dont own both consoles do you? Go play Heavenly sword and then come tell me anything on the 360 is even in the same league. No game on the 360 has that quality of visuals with 1000+ enemies on screen at at time sorry thats a fact.

tahts right kameo too... i guess that guy doesn't have 2systems...bt wi never liked kameo tho, i still ike Hs better then kameo...and dea rising more so then HS.

psu, the site that faked the interview with Valve :lol:Burnout_Player0

I wouldn't call ME2:TW units low poly, However take into account the 7900GTX has 2x the vid bandwith and Vram of the PS3, also PC has a huge Ram advantage, as well as a CPU advantage. I can predict that UT3 will run better on that rig, it will run on high @ at least 1280x1024 maybe even higher. I am not putting down HS it is good, but technically many PC games are more impressive.muscleserge

A CPU advantage? Please The cell processor stomps that duel core by a fair margin I for sure do not see a cpu advantage for that pc. As for the vid bandwith the PS3 uses 2 memory busses not one hence the reason it only has a 128bit bus. But honestly I think HS is the most technically impressive game currently available. There will be better come out this year but right now its the king.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

[QUOTE="thinicer"]Redfingers, that's all well and good, but nobody is disputing the power of the PS3. PS3 games look good and will continue to look fantastic in future titles. But as we have seen in previous generations, raw power and graphics is not going to win you a console war. Price and content, two things the PS3 is having real trouble with right now, will do that for you.LibertySaint

Except people are disputing the power of the PS3. There are still people under the delusion that the 360 is more powerful because of some badly optimzed ports. Theare are people on this forum that are under the delusion that a 7900gtx can outperform the PS3 on anything and everything( sorry only on badly optimized pc ports).

I think most of us are simply waiting for some tangible proof of the PS3's so-called graphical superiority, because there hasn't been any.

You obviously dont own both consoles do you? Go play Heavenly sword and then come tell me anything on the 360 is even in the same league. No game on the 360 has that quality of visuals with 1000+ enemies on screen at at time sorry thats a fact.

tahts right kameo too... i guess that guy doesn't have 2systems...bt wi never liked kameo tho, i still ike Hs better then kameo...and dea rising more so then HS.

To bad I have played Kameo and I own Dead Rising Gamertag(TheSterls) look it up for yourself yes I do own 2 systems. And if you played both games you would know kameo is not even close to the same level of visual quality as heavenly sword. The textures are lower res the characters are low poly and that scene with 1000 trolls on screen at a time has all the trolls looking exactly the same. The same goes with DR eventhough it has tons of enemies its visual quality pails in comparison to HS.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

[QUOTE="thinicer"]Redfingers, that's all well and good, but nobody is disputing the power of the PS3. PS3 games look good and will continue to look fantastic in future titles. But as we have seen in previous generations, raw power and graphics is not going to win you a console war. Price and content, two things the PS3 is having real trouble with right now, will do that for you.Polaris_choice

Except people are disputing the power of the PS3. There are still people under the delusion that the 360 is more powerful because of some badly optimzed ports. Theare are people on this forum that are under the delusion that a 7900gtx can outperform the PS3 on anything and everything( sorry only on badly optimized pc ports).

I think most of us are simply waiting for some tangible proof of the PS3's so-called graphical superiority, because there hasn't been any.

You obviously dont own both consoles do you? Go play Heavenly sword and then come tell me anything on the 360 is even in the same league. No game on the 360 has that quality of visuals with 1000+ enemies on screen at at time sorry thats a fact.

tahts right kameo too... i guess that guy doesn't have 2systems...bt wi never liked kameo tho, i still ike Hs better then kameo...and dea rising more so then HS.

To bad I have played Kameo and I own Dead Rising Gamertag(TheSterls) look it up for yourself yes I do own 2 systems. And if you played both games you would know kameo is not even close to the same level of visual quality as heavenly sword. The textures are lower res the characters are low poly and that scene with 1000 trolls on screen at a time has all the trolls looking exactly the same. The same goes with DR eventhough it has tons of enemies its visual quality pails in comparison to HS.

i guess its a matter of opion then, cause i think dead rising wins in graphics period, not things on screen and hs wins in character modeling and kameo wins in things on screen.

Is there any chance that you could explain this new rendering technique that the TC was talking about in a language that us mere mortals would understand? :D

stvee101

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Is there any chance that you could explain this new rendering technique that the TC was talking about in a language that us mere mortals would understand? :D

Teufelhuhn

Appreciate the response,thanx.:) Two quick questions.So in your opinion,do you think that this technique could be put into practice when developing actual games for the PS3?and do you think some people are overestimating or underestimating the cell's potential in working with the RSX and doing some of the calculations normally associated with the GPU?

Good news, but we wanna see it in real time.bad82man82

We want to see it in some games. EA probably could have used this technique for Madden 08. ;)

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Is there any chance that you could explain this new rendering technique that the TC was talking about in a language that us mere mortals would understand? :D

Teufelhuhn

"The
shading computation ran at up to 85 Hz at HDTV 720p
resolution on 5 SPEs and generated 30.72 gigaops of
performance. This is comparable to the performance of the
algorithm running on a state of the art high end GPU. These
results indicate that the Cell/B.E. can effectively enhance the
throughput of a GPU in this hybrid system by alleviating the
pixel shading bottleneck."

The procedure itself is carried out by the CPU and the GPU simultaneously...but if you read the quote from the actual PDF you can see that the benchmark itself ONLY refers to the Cell processor. Specifically, only 5 SPEs on the Cell processor. Not the PPE, not all 7 SPEs, not the RSX. 5 SPEs. It's very specific. It names the number of SPEs it's referring to...

It also never actually enumerates the 8800. It just says that the 5 SPEs performed the algorithm comparable to a "state of the art high end GPU" which I took to mean an 8800/2900.

Sorry but ur ps3 will never beat my PC with QuadCore processor and a Two Nvidia 8800 Ultra in SLI.-wii60-

I would really hope not.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]Sorry but ur ps3 will never beat my PC with QuadCore processor and a Two Nvidia 8800 Ultra in SLI.Redfingers

I would really hope not.

Perhaps more significant: "We have explored the potential of Cell/B.E. for accelerating graphical operations in the Playstation 3 computer entertainment system. This system combined the Cell/B.E. with a state of the art GPU in a unified memory architecture. In this architecture both devices share access to system memory and to graphics memory. As a result they can share data and processing tasks."

Let it be known that in this particular experiment, these tasks were performed....admirably. Carmack be damned. Apparently we were all wrong.

Redfingers

Wow that is huge.

Achievement Unlocked - Discover teh powers - 15G :Dclub-sandwich

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Is there any chance that you could explain this new rendering technique that the TC was talking about in a language that us mere mortals would understand? :D

Teufelhuhn

okay, but how much power does the Cell have leftover do to it's job as a CPU? if it's going to be contributing to 8800-quality visuals, will it have enough wind in its sails to do AI and physics?

Appreciate the response,thanx.:) Two quick questions.So in your opinion,do you think that this technique could be put into practice when developing actual games for the PS3?and do you think some people are overestimating or underestimating the cell's potential in working with the RSX and doing some of the calculations normally associated with the GPU?

stvee101

okay, but how much power does the Cell have leftover do to it's job as a CPU? if it's going to be contributing to 8800-quality visuals, will it have enough wind in its sails to do AI and physics?

Mordred19

Don't the Cell have 7 spe's and 1 for "redundency" whatever that means. wich is a total of 8?ButnMashr

Each Cell in the PS3 has 7 working SPE's, but 1 of them is reserved by the OS and can't be used. So game's really have 6 to work with.

Don't the Cell have 7 spe's and 1 for "redundency" whatever that means. wich is a total of 8?ButnMashr

Yeah it has 8.But 1 is reserved for the OS and 1 is disabled, so it basically has only 6 that can be programmed for games related purposes if I'm not mistaken.

psu, the site that faked the interview with Valve :lol:Burnout_Player0

debunked, it's real