Sony Dominating Microsoft's Goal

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''The thing is, Microsoft has stated that this generation is all about digital distribution, and stands by their word. If so, it looks as if Sony is actually about to dominate in that area also with the recent announcement that they will be releasing fully fledged games on the PSN. They already have started their digital distribution passé with Socom Confrontation, Burnout Paradise, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, and Warhawk. Right now they are two steps ahead of Microsoft in Microsoft's own vision. But also Sony has proven that it is not all about digital distribution as Blu-ray sales continue to rise and shatter records.''

I never thought of it this way..... but looking at it Microsoft, better look out.

What do you guys think?.....

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

I'm pretty sure MS and their "Xbox originals" were available before this through DD.xsubtownerx

I'm pretty sure MS and their "Xbox originals" were available before this through DD.xsubtownerx

Dominating? :lol:

Xbox Originals say hello

Sony actually announced that? I thought it was a rumor?

Dominating? :lol:

Xbox Originals say hello

LosDaddie

PS1 games were available on the PS Store before Xbox Originals were available on the Marketplace.Floppy_Jim

Microsoft is obviously pushing DD hard, because they're not about to go to Sony for a blu ray license. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 75% of gamers still prefer a retail box + disc copy.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

Sony is just fighting Microsoft on two software fronts, DD and retail.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Dominating? :lol:

Xbox Originals say hello

JLF1

It's still DD.

But it really doesn't matter. Is sony really "dominating" MS in this regard? Really?

I'm pretty sure MS and their "Xbox originals" were available before this through DD.xsubtownerx

Microsoft is obviously pushing DD hard, because they're not about to go to Sony for a blu ray license. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 75% of gamers still prefer a retail box + disc copy.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

Sony is just fighting Microsoft on two software fronts, DD and retail.

lolfaqs

here is the thing that is even funnier MS goal while good for a certain market will never take over retail.too_much_eslim

Haven't seen you post in awhile, good too see you back too_much_eslim :P

Oh and here is Microsofts quote for the digital distribution

"Our belief was that in the lifetime of the Xbox 360 we were going to move to this online world and online distribution for content outside gaming," he said. "If we didn't believe that we would have put a hi-def player in the console." He believes Microsoft is now better off putting its focus on the development of services in the digital domainas opposed to offering a Blu-ray drive. "

They were talking about movie distribution which they have delivered on.

/thread? I think so :P

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13561.cfm

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Microsoft is obviously pushing DD hard, because they're not about to go to Sony for a blu ray license. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 75% of gamers still prefer a retail box + disc copy.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

Sony is just fighting Microsoft on two software fronts, DD and retail.

SpruceCaboose

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

3picuri3

They said games would be $39.99 when released over PSN, we'll see if that holds up...

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Microsoft is obviously pushing DD hard, because they're not about to go to Sony for a blu ray license. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 75% of gamers still prefer a retail box + disc copy.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

Sony is just fighting Microsoft on two software fronts, DD and retail.

lolfaqs

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Microsoft is obviously pushing DD hard, because they're not about to go to Sony for a blu ray license. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 75% of gamers still prefer a retail box + disc copy.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

Sony is just fighting Microsoft on two software fronts, DD and retail.

lolfaqs

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

There you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]here is the thing that is even funnier MS goal while good for a certain market will never take over retail.spinecaton

Haven't seen you post in awhile, good too see you back too_much_eslim :P

Oh and here is Microsofts quote for the digital distribution

"Our belief was that in the lifetime of the Xbox 360 we were going to move to this online world and online distribution for content outside gaming," he said. "If we didn't believe that we would have put a hi-def player in the console." He believes Microsoft is now better off putting its focus on the development of services in the digital domainas opposed to offering a Blu-ray drive. "

They were talking about movie distribution which they have delivered on.

/thread? I think so :P

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13561.cfm

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Microsoft is obviously pushing DD hard, because they're not about to go to Sony for a blu ray license. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 75% of gamers still prefer a retail box + disc copy.

www.edge-online.com/news/npds-frazier-consumers-prefer-retail

Sony is just fighting Microsoft on two software fronts, DD and retail.

lolfaqs

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] But Blu-Ray discs also use MS codecs....spinecaton

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

There you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1

It's still DD.

But it really doesn't matter. Is sony really "dominating" MS in this regard? Really?

LosDaddie

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] But Blu-Ray discs also use MS codecs....SpruceCaboose

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1

Although widely considered to be Microsoft's product, there are actually fifteen companies in the VC-1 patent pool (as of August 17, 2006). As an SMPTE standard, VC-1 is open to implementation by anyone, although implementers are hypothetically required to pay licensing fees to the MPEG LA, LLC licensing body or directly to its members, who claim to hold essential patents on the format (since it is a non-exclusive licensing body).

Dominating? :lol:

Xbox Originals say hello

LosDaddie

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

They said games would be $39.99 when released over PSN, we'll see if that holds up...

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

They said games would be $39.99 when released over PSN, we'll see if that holds up...

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

lolfaqs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1

Although widely considered to be Microsoft's product, there are actually fifteen companies in the VC-1 patent pool (as of August 17, 2006). As an SMPTE standard, VC-1 is open to implementation by anyone, although implementers are hypothetically required to pay licensing fees to the MPEG LA, LLC licensing body or directly to its members, who claim to hold essential patents on the format (since it is a non-exclusive licensing body).

www.mpegla.com/news/n_06-08-17_pr.pdf

The VC-1 essential patent holders currently include DAEWOO Electronics Corporation, France Télécom,société anonyme, Fujitsu Limited, Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V., LG Electronics Inc., **** Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, NipponTelegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT), Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, SonyCorporation, Telenor ASA, Toshiba Corporation, and Victor Company of Japan, Limited (JVC).

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]I don't see how this counts as full current gen games...Tiefster

It's still DD. But MS didn't even mean games as DD. They were talking about video:

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]here is the thing that is even funnier MS goal while good for a certain market will never take over retail.spinecaton

Haven't seen you post in awhile, good too see you back too_much_eslim :P

Oh and here is Microsofts quote for the digital distribution

"Our belief was that in the lifetime of the Xbox 360 we were going to move to this online world and online distribution for content outside gaming," he said. "If we didn't believe that we would have put a hi-def player in the console." He believes Microsoft is now better off putting its focus on the development of services in the digital domain as opposed to offering a Blu-ray drive. "

They were talking about movie distribution which they have delivered on.

/thread? I think so :P

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13561.cfm

That pretty much ends this thread :)

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Do you have a source for that? Because as far as I know, Microsoft never had any part in developing blu ray.

lolfaqs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1

Although widely considered to be Microsoft's product, there are actually fifteen companies in the VC-1 patent pool (as of August 17, 2006). As an SMPTE standard, VC-1 is open to implementation by anyone, although implementers are hypothetically required to pay licensing fees to the MPEG LA, LLC licensing body or directly to its members, who claim to hold essential patents on the format (since it is a non-exclusive licensing body).

VC-1 is the informal name of the SMPTE 421M video codec standard initially developed by Microsoft. It was released on April 3, 2006 by SMPTE. It is now a supported standard for HD DVDs, Blu-ray Discs, and Windows Media Video 9.

Read the bold red text, are you really just selective reading to try and get things your way?

Edit: oh that was using the link you provided :wink:

You completely ignored the part where it says that MS developed the codec, didn't you?SpruceCaboose

And you ignored the citation that takes you to a .pdf that shows many companies hold the patent on it, including Sony, didn't you?

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Dominating? :lol:

Xbox Originals say hello

LosDaddie

It's still DD.

But it really doesn't matter. Is sony really "dominating" MS in this regard? Really?

www.mpegla.com/vc1/

MPEG LA's goal is to provide worldwide access to as much VC-1 essential intellectual property as possible; new essential patents and new Licensors may be added to the Patent Portfolio License at no additional royalty during the current license term.

www.mpegla.com/news/n_06-08-17_pr.pdf

The VC-1 essential patent holders currently include DAEWOO Electronics Corporation, France Télécom,société anonyme, Fujitsu Limited, Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V., LG Electronics Inc., **** Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, NipponTelegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT), Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, SonyCorporation, Telenor ASA, Toshiba Corporation, and Victor Company of Japan, Limited (JVC).

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
You do know that you are comparing last games to new games released this generation?EmperorSupreme

It's still DD.

But it really doesn't matter. Is sony really "dominating" MS in this regard? Really?

And again, MS was talking about movies, not games. :)

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]You completely ignored the part where it says that MS developed the codec, didn't you?lolfaqs

And you ignored the citation that takes you to a .pdf that shows many companies hold the patent on it, including Sony, didn't you?

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

www.mpegla.com/news/n_06-08-17_pr.pdf

The VC-1 essential patent holders currently include DAEWOO Electronics Corporation, France Télécom,société anonyme, Fujitsu Limited, Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V., LG Electronics Inc., **** Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, NipponTelegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT), Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, SonyCorporation, Telenor ASA, Toshiba Corporation, and Victor Company of Japan, Limited (JVC).

SpruceCaboose

And you're missing the point of the part of my post you quoted to begin with. Microsoft will not go to Sony to get a license for blu ray. Sony, however, does not have to go to Microsoft to get a license for VC 1.

And again, MS was talking about movies, not games. :)

LosDaddie

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

Chutebox

They said games would be $39.99 when released over PSN, we'll see if that holds up...

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

www.mpegla.com/news/n_06-08-17_pr.pdf

The VC-1 essential patent holders currently include DAEWOO Electronics Corporation, France Télécom,société anonyme, Fujitsu Limited, Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V., LG Electronics Inc., **** Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, NipponTelegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT), Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sharp Corporation, SonyCorporation, Telenor ASA, Toshiba Corporation, and Victor Company of Japan, Limited (JVC).

lolfaqs

And you're missing the point of the part of my post you quoted to begin with. Microsoft will not go to Sony to get a license for blu ray. Sony, however, does not have to go to Microsoft to get a license for VC 1.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

And again, MS was talking about movies, not games. :)

JLF1

For games; possibly. I'd say the x360 is still no slouch in that category.

For movies; I think MS is "dominating" as XBL Marketplace has far more content than PSN.

:)

MS and Sony are not like that. MS would use Blu-Ray. They use the Sony developed DVD and CD formats, don't they? They just lost a ton of money on the HD DVD add on and are not keen on doing that all over again, especially this late in the game.SpruceCaboose

Um, they're businesses in direct competition with each other in the console war. Of course they're like that. Sony has a BD patent. Microsoft does not. VC 1 is irrelevant, because both companies have patents in it along with other companies. Microsoft does not have the exclusive ability to grant VC 1 licenses. Sony is on the list of companies that can grant that license.

www.mpegla.com/vc1/vc1-licensors.cfm

Thus, your argument about how Microsoft developed VC 1 is irrelevant, because Sony still does not have to go to Microsoft for a license.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

Animal-Mother

They said games would be $39.99 when released over PSN, we'll see if that holds up...