Sony Dominating Microsoft's Goal

Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

lolfaqs

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Why not? Businesses are about money. More Windows copies is more money for MS, especially since Windows makes MS piles and piles more money than the 360 ever could hope to make for MS.SpruceCaboose

Well, if you really want to believe that Microsoft will take money in exchange for making the PS3 a better console at the expense of the 360, be my guest...

Do you also think that there are no Windows PCs in Sony's company?

First of all, MIcrosoft isn't in the business of manufacturing PCs. They are, however, very much in the business of manufacturing consoles. So while they would love to take more money for licenses to use Windows on PC or Mac, they're definitely not going to grant a license to allow for Windows on other consoles when their own console doesn't have that feature.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]Okay seriously guys this is getting way off topic, this is about digital distribution not who owns what.lolfaqs

And part of DD is that Microsoft is pushing hard for DD, because they will not go to Sony for a BD license.

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Sony's gaming devision can't stop at a thing if the rest of Sony want a deal with MS for BR.lolfaqs

It would be up to the BDA as a whole anyway, not just Sony, so MS would more than likely get a license if they wanted.

Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

Are you aware of exactly how many companies make up the BDA? It's more than likely that both Sony and Apple would be heavily outvoted if it came to it. There's too much money involved.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They don't need to grant themselves a license. Sony makes money (as do the BDA) when they grant a license. In what world do you live that companies avert themselves to money?lolfaqs

Then why did you even bring up the ridiculous argument that Microsoft could get on that list if they wanted to?

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Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

SpruceCaboose

You negated your argument in the same post. They are competitors. Apple has rare seat on the Board of Directors of BDA. Microsoft does not. Apple is not about to vote to let Microsoft jump on board.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]Okay seriously guys this is getting way off topic, this is about digital distribution not who owns what.lolfaqs

And part of DD is that Microsoft is pushing hard for DD, because they will not go to Sony for a BD license.

You don't know what they have planned, how do you know they won't go for BD licensing next xbox? Provide a link because as of right now, there isn't. Provide a link saying MS isn't going for BD because of Sony. MS just said they aren't interesting in a Blu ray drive for xbox 360 and that is all they said. Your statement is just a fanboy assumption. What if they whole-heartily don't want a blu ray in the xbox 360(which is what we know as of now). Until you can provide a link saying that MS isn't going to use Blu ray because they don't want to go with Sony for licensing, we have to go with what MS has said regarding the issue. The rest is just fanboy nonsens. PERIOD!

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]They don't need to grant themselves a license. Sony makes money (as do the BDA) when they grant a license. In what world do you live that companies avert themselves to money?SpruceCaboose

Then why did you even bring up the ridiculous argument that Microsoft could get on that list if they wanted to?

$50,000 is the annual dues. If you're talking about buying votes, Microsoft will have to bribe enough of those 18 companies to get whatever constitutes a passing majority vote.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

lolfaqs

You negated your argument in the same post. They are competitors. Apple has rare seat on the Board of Directors of BDA. Microsoft does not. Apple is not about to vote to let Microsoft jump on board.

You don't know what they have planned, how do you know they won't go for BD licensing next xbox? Provide a link because as of right now, there isn't. Provide a link saying MS isn't going for BD because of Sony. MS just said they aren't interesting in a Blu ray drive for xbox 360 and that is all they said. Your statement is just a fanboy assumption. What if they whole-heartily don't want a blu ray in the xbox 360(which is what we know as of now). Until you can provide a link saying that MS isn't going to use Blu ray because they don't want to go with Sony for licensing, we have to go with what MS has said regarding the issue. The rest is just fanboy nonsens. PERIOD!

spinecaton

This is about this generation in case you hadn't noticed, specifically, the 360.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

lolfaqs

You negated your argument in the same post. They are competitors. Apple has rare seat on the Board of Directors of BDA. Microsoft does not. Apple is not about to vote to let Microsoft jump on board.

$50,000 is the annual dues. If you're talking about buying votes, Microsoft will have to bribe enough of those 18 companies to get whatever constitutes a passing majority vote.

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

Then why did you even bring up the ridiculous argument that Microsoft could get on that list if they wanted to?

lolfaqs

$50,000 is the annual dues. If you're talking about buying votes, Microsoft will have to bribe enough of those 18 companies to get whatever constitutes a passing majority vote.

This thread is hilarious. :lol:

And wrong in so many ways...:cry:

Why would Apple vote down MS?JLF1

Why would Apple vote in favor of letting one of its biggest competitors have an equal footing in the BDA? And if you're going to say money, there's more to business than just money.

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Why would Apple vote down MS?lolfaqs

Why would Apple vote in favor of letting one of its biggest competitors have an equal footing in the BDA? And if you're going to say money, there's more to business than just money.

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Why would Apple vote down MS?lolfaqs

Why would Apple vote in favor of letting one of its biggest competitors have an equal footing in the BDA? And if you're going to say money, there's more to business than just money.

Wait, I agree actually. The most important part of business is pleasing your customer and not teaming up with the enemy!

All MS has to do it turn up and say they want to support BR.JLF1

That's nice, they get a vote just like every other company that comes along and says the same unless you mean they just want to be a member. If it's the latter, MS can pay their annual $3,000 in fees and get to sit in on seminars and get information about BD just like all of the other members.

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You don't know what they have planned, how do you know they won't go for BD licensing next xbox? Provide a link because as of right now, there isn't. Provide a link saying MS isn't going for BD because of Sony. MS just said they aren't interesting in a Blu ray drive for xbox 360 and that is all they said. Your statement is just a fanboy assumption. What if they whole-heartily don't want a blu ray in the xbox 360(which is what we know as of now). Until you can provide a link saying that MS isn't going to use Blu ray because they don't want to go with Sony for licensing, we have to go with what MS has said regarding the issue. The rest is just fanboy nonsens. PERIOD!

lolfaqs

This is about this generation in case you hadn't noticed, specifically, the 360.

Thanks for missing the rest of my post and only reading MY FIRST SENTENCE!

Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

You negated your argument in the same post. They are competitors. Apple has rare seat on the Board of Directors of BDA. Microsoft does not. Apple is not about to vote to let Microsoft jump on board.

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Why would Apple vote down MS?lolfaqs

Why would Apple vote in favor of letting one of its biggest competitors have an equal footing in the BDA? And if you're going to say money, there's more to business than just money.

Wait, I agree actually. The most important part of business is pleasing your customer and not teaming up with the enemy!

Aljosa23

It's called strategic positioning. How much do you think a seat on BDA is worth to a company?

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Wait, I agree actually. The most important part of business is pleasing your customer and not teaming up with the enemy!

lolfaqs

It's called strategic positioning. How much do you think a seat on BDA is worth to a company?

Not likely when one of the most influential companies on the BDA is Sony and other members include people like Apple, two companies that fellow board members aren't going to want to piss off.

You negated your argument in the same post. They are competitors. Apple has rare seat on the Board of Directors of BDA. Microsoft does not. Apple is not about to vote to let Microsoft jump on board.

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Wait, I agree actually. The most important part of business is pleasing your customer and not teaming up with the enemy!

lolfaqs

It's called strategic positioning. How much do you think a seat on BDA is worth to a company?

What is more to business than money? And again, please keep in mind that many Apple and MS products have shown that the two companies value money more than rivalry. SpruceCaboose

First of all, I said there is more to business than just money, so again you're twisting my words. But to respond, there's much more to business than just money such as.

1. Influence. I.e., If everyone has to come to you for your vote on something.

2. Monopoly. For example, why do you think it is that Microsoft will never reveal the source code for Windows? Do you think they would sell the Windows Source Code to Apple?

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All MS has to do it turn up and say they want to support BR.lolfaqs

That's nice, they get a vote just like every other company that comes along and says the same unless you mean they just want to be a member. If it's the latter, MS can pay their annual $3,000 in fees and get to sit in on seminars and get information about BD just like all of the other members.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Wait, I agree actually. The most important part of business is pleasing your customer and not teaming up with the enemy!

SpruceCaboose

It's called strategic positioning. How much do you think a seat on BDA is worth to a company?

I didn't realize I agreed with anything.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]What is more to business than money? And again, please keep in mind that many Apple and MS products have shown that the two companies value money more than rivalry. lolfaqs

First of all, I said there is more to business than just money, so again you're twisting my words. But to respond, there's much more to business than just money such as.

1. Influence. I.e., If everyone has to come to you for your vote on something.

2. Monopoly. For example, why do you think it is that Microsoft will never reveal the source code for Windows? Do you think they would sell the Windows Source Code to Apple?

If MS would support BR it would mean that the BR format would become incredible stronger and would generate more money for the owners than any fee they can give MS.

That is why they would let MS have BR.JLF1

BD is already on track to be incredibly strong with or without microsoft. There are already BD drives for PC, standalone BD players, etc. And many of the board members of BDA are companies that make these products. What do they need Microsoft for?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]What is more to business than money? And again, please keep in mind that many Apple and MS products have shown that the two companies value money more than rivalry. lolfaqs

First of all, I said there is more to business than just money, so again you're twisting my words. But to respond, there's much more to business than just money such as.

1. Influence. I.e., If everyone has to come to you for your vote on something.

2. Monopoly. For example, why do you think it is that Microsoft will never reveal the source code for Windows? Do you think they would sell the Windows Source Code to Apple?

the european union has already forced microsoft to reveal it's source code

The Windows source code is miles away from a BD license. I cannot believe you actually compared the two and thought that they were comparable.SpruceCaboose

It's to illustrate a point. Not everything can be bought. Not everything is worth being sold. Additionally, another important factor of business is good working relationships. Microsoft is known for being difficult to work with.

"Microsoft and Toshiba are more than welcome to join the Blu-ray camp and would be valuable additions if they did. That's what the Blu-ray Disc Association's spokesperson, Frank Simonis, said when he spoke to TechRadar from Japan this afternoon.

"Of course we have always said that Toshiba and Microsoft, and any other company, is more than welcome to join the Blu-ray Disc Association. We are an open organisation, with an open disc standard. If Toshiba decides to drop HD DVD we would extend the hand of friendship to them, they are always welcome to join," he said."

Your move counselor.

"Microsoft and Toshiba are more than welcome to join the Blu-ray camp and would be valuable additions if they did. That's what the Blu-ray Disc Association's spokesperson, Frank Simonis, said when he spoke to TechRadar from Japan this afternoon. "Of course we have always said that Toshiba and Microsoft, and any other company, is more than welcome to join the Blu-ray Disc Association. We are an open organisation, with an open disc standard. If Toshiba decides to drop HD DVD we would extend the hand of friendship to them, they are always welcome to join," he said."SpruceCaboose

the european union has already forced microsoft to reveal it's source code

fake_mobile

I haven't heard of that, not that I'm saying you're wrong. The only thing I've heard is that the EU is suing Microsoft to force it to include other web browsers with Windows. But if what you say is true, all I can say is good luck, Microsoft would never do that, especially not for free.

"Microsoft and Toshiba are more than welcome to join the Blu-ray camp and would be valuable additions if they did. That's what the Blu-ray Disc Association's spokesperson, Frank Simonis, said when he spoke to TechRadar from Japan this afternoon.

"Of course we have always said that Toshiba and Microsoft, and any other company, is more than welcome to join the Blu-ray Disc Association. We are an open organisation, with an open disc standard. If Toshiba decides to drop HD DVD we would extend the hand of friendship to them, they are always welcome to join," he said."

Your move counselor.

SpruceCaboose

Link? Also, blu ray camp =/= a seat on the board of directors.

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the european union has already forced microsoft to reveal it's source code

lolfaqs

I haven't heard of that, not that I'm saying you're wrong. The only thing I've heard is that the EU is suing Microsoft to force it to include other web browsers with Windows. But if what you say is true, all I can say is good luck, Microsoft would never do that, especially not for free.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"Microsoft and Toshiba are more than welcome to join the Blu-ray camp and would be valuable additions if they did. That's what the Blu-ray Disc Association's spokesperson, Frank Simonis, said when he spoke to TechRadar from Japan this afternoon.

"Of course we have always said that Toshiba and Microsoft, and any other company, is more than welcome to join the Blu-ray Disc Association. We are an open organisation, with an open disc standard. If Toshiba decides to drop HD DVD we would extend the hand of friendship to them, they are always welcome to join," he said."

Your move counselor.

lolfaqs

Link? Also, blu ray camp =/= a seat on the board of directors.

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If MS would support BR it would mean that the BR format would become incredible stronger and would generate more money for the owners than any fee they can give MS.

That is why they would let MS have BR.lolfaqs

BD is already on track to be incredibly strong with or without microsoft. There are already BD drives for PC, standalone BD players, etc. And many of the board members of BDA are companies that make these products. What do they need Microsoft for?

"The announcement covers the source code behind the communication protocols for Windows Workgroup Server and Windows Desktop."

Hardly the same thing as the actual source code for Windows itself.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"Microsoft and Toshiba are more than welcome to join the Blu-ray camp and would be valuable additions if they did. That's what the Blu-ray Disc Association's spokesperson, Frank Simonis, said when he spoke to TechRadar from Japan this afternoon.

"Of course we have always said that Toshiba and Microsoft, and any other company, is more than welcome to join the Blu-ray Disc Association. We are an open organisation, with an open disc standard. If Toshiba decides to drop HD DVD we would extend the hand of friendship to them, they are always welcome to join," he said."

Your move counselor.

SpruceCaboose

Link? Also, blu ray camp =/= a seat on the board of directors.

It also says "more than welcome to join the Blu-ray Disc Association", so he's even more wrong.

More $$$

It's the reason Sony released the PS3, PSP and PSN.

Why would Sony release these platforms when they already had money?JLF1

Again, why do they need Microsoft to make more money from BD? BDA's board member companies can make BD drives for PC. They can make BD players for PS3 and standalone players. They can make the discs. They can make the content to put on those discs. So they need MS for what again?

"The announcement covers the source code behind the communication protocols for Windows Workgroup Server and Windows Desktop."

Hardly the same thing as the actual source code for Windows itself.

lolfaqs

correct me if im wrong but i thought MS was referring to movies for DD. personally hate the idea of full fledged games on a live service.

a) they're never cheaper

b) you have no hard product to sell or trade in when you're done with it

c) can't lend it to a friend or vice-versa

i'll start giving two ***** about DD when it makes games far cheaper.

3picuri3

MS isn't going for BD this gen because there is no financial point in doing so. They chose to make their system based on DVD9 and offer an add-on HDDVD drive for movies only. However, they only sold a small amount of add-on drives. Further, even though BD defeated HD-DVD there has not been a huge groundswell demand for BD in general, let alone BD in a games machine. To offer a BD drive would require an investment in R&D and then upfront manufacturing cost. Meanwhile, MS has dropped their price and placed more emphasis on their arcade model....emphasizing entry level value. And meanwhile, stand-alone BD players have come way down in price, greatly diminishing the gap between a standalone unit vs an add-on device for the 360. Ergo, there is not much point in pursing a BD add-on drive where their seems little profit in doing so.

Regarding licensing of BD for future needs. Of course they (MS) would do so if they felt that was appropriate for the marketplace at that time. And there is nothing that Sony could do about it, even if they wanted to, as that would amount to a violation of competition law....e.g. they can't stop MS from paying for the licensing rights like anyone else, and they cannot treat MS different than anyone else.

And why wouldn't MS license Windows for the PS3? Of course they would. Why wouldn't Sony choose Windows? Cost, that's why.

The bottomline is that you aren't going to help your competitor or partial competitor out if there is a viable alternative, especially a cheaper one....but likewise, you don't torpedo your own business model and/or ignore consumer demand because you are unwilling to eat a little crow.

PS1 games were available on the PS Store before Xbox Originals were available on the Marketplace.Floppy_Jim

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"The announcement covers the source code behind the communication protocols for Windows Workgroup Server and Windows Desktop."

Hardly the same thing as the actual source code for Windows itself.

SpruceCaboose

If you want to surrender, that's cool, But the communication protocols for Windows Workgroup server and Windows Desktop =/= the source code for Windows itself, which is MS' prized possession.