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#1  Edited By gago-gago
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"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."

So basically don't expect the PS4 to get BC and don't expect the next PlayStation to get BC unless there's a new exec with different feelings for BC. But do expect to pay for your old games instead.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-exec-comments-on-backwards-compatibility/1100-6450573/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b

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#2 Star67
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I just wish all the PSOne classics for PS3 were available to download and play on PS4, plus keep adding PS2 games to the store as well.

For me it's about preserving the library of great games. Eventually our old consoles will die, and our discs will decay with disc rot.

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#3 omegaMaster
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Would be costly to do this, imagine backwards compatibility for PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4. Sony would want to make big profit and BC isn't the way forward.

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#4  Edited By MonsieurX
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Aka "backward compatibility doesn't bring money in,as opposed to Playstation Now"

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#5 lrdfancypants
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"But do expect to pay for your old games instead."

What?

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#6 blueinheaven
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PS4 won't get BC but PS5 (if there is one) will have similar but more powerful hardware and operating system so BC will basically be built in.

If you want to play PS3 games why did you sell your friggin PS3? Stupid? Yes, very very stupid.

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#7 Shewgenja
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Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.

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#8 JtoThaMtoThaP
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That line of thinking is backward

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#9 loe12k
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Don't sell your PS3 and PS4 consoles, lads.

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#10  Edited By FinalFighters
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"And don't expect the next PlayStation to get BC"

then i wont be purchasing their next system, if thats the case.

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#11 lifelessablaze
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@omegamaster said:

Would be costly to do this, imagine backwards compatibility for PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4. Sony would want to make big profit and BC isn't the way forward.

Oh wow the Sony apologists are really quick

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#12 xhawk27
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@Shewgenja said:

Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.

Lame.

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#13  Edited By loe12k
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@FinalFighters said:

"And don't expect the next PlayStation to get BC"

then i wont be purchasing their next system, if thats the case.

It won't. Who's going to keep paying for Playstation now, if it's got no PS4 games.

BC is free on xbox. You have to pay if you playstation fan.

PS5 will just not play PS4 games native.

Just saying buy a Scorpio. Least you have free 360 and xbox one games you can play natively problem solved. And purchase, game pass, if you want to play a game properly on your new system!

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#14 speedfog
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No not if you ask 20 bucks for ps2 games

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#15 Shewgenja
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@xhawk27 said:
@Shewgenja said:

Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.

Lame.

From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?

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#16  Edited By lawlessx
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@Shewgenja said:
@xhawk27 said:
@Shewgenja said:

Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.

Lame.

From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?

the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.

Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.

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#17  Edited By Shewgenja
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@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
@xhawk27 said:
@Shewgenja said:

Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.

Lame.

From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?

the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.

Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.

Hold the phone. OP is an XBone fannie. 3/4s of everyone virtue signaling in this thread are XBox fannies. You want my perspective?

Switch isn't trying to be WiiU Part 2. Don't see any of ya'll putting Nintendo up in here... Why dat iz? Oh, because fuckin duh that's why. Then we'd be talking about a console that didn't even hit the shelf without a 10 right next to it. But okay, go ahead telling me how I wouldn't blah blah blah if this wasn't a Sony thing cuz.

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#18 lawlessx
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@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
@xhawk27 said:
@Shewgenja said:

Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.

Lame.

From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?

the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.

Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.

Hold the phone. OP is an XBone fannie. 3/4s of everyone virtue signaling in this thread are XBox fannies. You want my perspective?

Switch isn't trying to be WiiU Part 2. Don't see any of ya'll putting Nintendo up in here... Why dat iz? Oh, because fuckin duh that's why.

dodging again man? come on

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#19  Edited By Shewgenja
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@lawlessx said:

dodging again man? come on

Dodging what, exactly? News flash, Sony DID launch a whole generation with full BC, not this selective dingbat roody poo software emulated frame coughing bullshit you guys have a twelve foot purple hard-on for since 2014. It was the original PS3 which had the EE+RS right on the system board. Oh no, all of you same people were probably all over the internet calling it Satan. Because you can't think outside the XBox and it is what it is.

How bou dah?

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#21  Edited By Shewgenja
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@sts106mat said:

Shewgobja is at it again with hyperbole and usual verbal diarrohea.

If sony announced bc you clowns would be loving it and applauding them like crazy....

your bullshit is easier to see through than a window.

They.

Already.

Had.

A.

F-U-L-L-Y (try sticking an original XBox game in your Bone homie).

Backwards.

Compatible.

Console.

Last.

Generation.

And.

You.

Guys.

Crucified.

It.

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#22  Edited By lawlessx
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@sts106mat said:

Shewgobja is at it again with hyperbole and usual verbal diarrohea.

If sony announced bc you clowns would be loving it and applauding them like crazy....

your bullshit is easier to see through than a window.

they would have praised them and spammed the "By gamers for gamers" shit all over this board. but no..sony are charging for BC so lets just act like we don't care.

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#23  Edited By Shewgenja
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@lawlessx said:
@sts106mat said:

Shewgobja is at it again with hyperbole and usual verbal diarrohea.

If sony announced bc you clowns would be loving it and applauding them like crazy....

your bullshit is easier to see through than a window.

they would have praised them and spammed the "By gamers for gamers" shit all over this board. but no..sony are charging for BC so lets just act like we don't care.

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#24 FinalFighters
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@loe12k: yes, i plan on buying the scorpio. it will probably be my system of choice if what people are saying is true and it can up the resolution on all current gen games and full BC. just waiting for E3 to hear what the system is capable of.

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#26 lrdfancypants
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I didn't know they had games BC? That was a loooong time ago.

Were they tablet based? :)

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#27  Edited By Renegade_Fury
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@Star67 said:

I just wish all the PSOne classics for PS3 were available to download and play on PS4, plus keep adding PS2 games to the store as well.

For me it's about preserving the library of great games. Eventually our old consoles will die, and our discs will decay with disc rot.

Same, especially in regards to all of those PS1 games. BC is one of the things XBL did right over PSN.

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#28  Edited By Shewgenja
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@sts106mat said:

@Shewgenja: haha theres another ass explosion.

nope $599 and worst versions of all multiplats crucified it. Buh buh buh just wait. Personallg i dont use BC. I already played every 360 game that i wanted to.

Doesnt mean that other people dont find it useful. If it was announced tomorrow youd been riding it up and down faster than the springs on a spaniards honeymoon bed. You know it, i know it...so just admit it and cut the bullshit.

You won't believe me and that's fine.

I didn't buy a PS4 on launch day for BC. I didn't buy a Switch on launch day for BC. I didn't buy a 360 a couple months after launch for BC. I didn't buy a PS3 3 years after launch for BC. I didn't buy the WiiU for BC. I didn't buy the original XBox for BC. I used the BC on my PS2 all of four or five times. I didn't buy a PS1 for BC. I didn't buy the Genesis or SNES for any BC. I didn't buy the NES for BC. I didn't buy the Atari 2600 for BC.

It has never been a thing to me. I have PC for BC. The Infinity Gauntlet of gaming, as it were. I also hold on to my old consoles and take incredibly good care of my electronics. Long story short, you guys are the ones that didn't give a flying **** for BC before it was announced. If I can be brutally honest, you still don't, because what titles you do have BC with come from a pre-selected green-lit list from the publishers and developers which sounds schilly, fake, half-baked, and positively derptastic.

All BC is to you guys is a check on some blackboard in Fanboy Land. If you cared about old games, you wouldn't be feeding from the masters hand like a bunch of gerbils. Sorrynotsorry. What you have is fan service. If you want retro gaming, you keep your consoles. THE END.

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#29  Edited By Nonstop-Madness
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The first line is reasonable but the second line isn't lol.

"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."

"That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Jim Ryan

Fwiw, Jim Ryan is the global sales chief. He's not overseeing any sort of technical team at PlayStation.

I still think the PS5 will have BC w/ PS4. I don't see Sony hitting the hard refresh button.

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#30 loe12k
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@FinalFighters said:

@loe12k: yes, i plan on buying the scorpio. it will probably be my system of choice if what people are saying is true and it can up the resolution on all current gen games and full BC. just waiting for E3 to hear what the system is capable of.

Wise choice.

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#31 Archangel3371
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Backwards compatibility is an excellent feature to have on any system. Companies would be very wise to make it possible moving forward.

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#32  Edited By kvally
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@Shewgenja: from Evolution getting closed, to canceling Eight Days, to fangirling a 720p 27fps "pro" console with no exclusives and no 10's at metacritic you don't have Jack.

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#33 ConanTheStoner
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"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."

FVCK. THAT.

And how exactly do they know just how many peeps on their launch PS3 were playing PS2 and PS1 games. I mean surely they must know people were plenty interested in playing older titles once they started selling classics on PSN, and even went as far as to make a bullshit service like PS Now. On top of all the remasters they've churned out.

Seriously, **** those guys. Anybody who falls for that line is a moron.

BC is awesome, can't believe how quickly gamers will line up to apologize for its absence.

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#34  Edited By loe12k
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@Nonstop-Madness said:

The first line is reasonable but the second line isn't lol.

"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."

"That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Jim Ryan

Fwiw, Jim Ryan is the global sales chief. He's not overseeing any sort of technical team at PlayStation.

I still think the PS5 will have BC w/ PS4. I don't see Sony hitting the hard refresh button.

Is Sony going to give up Playstation now? For now they can get away with PS3 games. When the PS5 comes out the service will need PS4 games. And who's going to pay for PSN now, if PS4 games can be played on the new system?

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#35 kingtito
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@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:

dodging again man? come on

Dodging what, exactly? News flash, Sony DID launch a whole generation with full BC, not this selective dingbat roody poo software emulated frame coughing bullshit you guys have a twelve foot purple hard-on for since 2014. It was the original PS3 which had the EE+RS right on the system board. Oh no, all of you same people were probably all over the internet calling it Satan. Because you can't think outside the XBox and it is what it is.

How bou dah?

Did you really just use a pic and quote from that idiot above? That is exactly what's wrong with society today. We're putting people on pedestals and make them rich for being complete morons. You could have use someone else to help get your point across amigo.

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@blueinheaven said:

PS4 won't get BC but PS5 (if there is one) will have similar but more powerful hardware and operating system so BC will basically be built in.

If you want to play PS3 games why did you sell your friggin PS3? Stupid? Yes, very very stupid.

because it's better to have one thing that does multiple things rather than multiple things that each do just one thing. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?

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#37  Edited By QuadKnight
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While I agree with him that BC for PS3, PS2, and PS1 is rarely used it would be stupid to make the PS5 without allowing it to have BC with the PS4 especially considering more and more games are being bought digitally. The had a reasonable excuse to have PS4 lack BC with PS3 (Cell) but they don't have any excuses going forward. PS5 better have BC with PS4 or they'll face some backlash.

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#38 Nonstop-Madness
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@loe12k said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:

The first line is reasonable but the second line isn't lol.

"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."

"That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Jim Ryan

Fwiw, Jim Ryan is the global sales chief. He's not overseeing any sort of technical team at PlayStation.

I still think the PS5 will have BC w/ PS4. I don't see Sony hitting the hard refresh button.

Is Sony going to give up Playstation now? For now they can get away with PS3 games. When the PS5 comes out the service will need PS4 games. And who's going to pay for PSN now, if PS4 games can be played on the new system?

Support for PS3 games would still be a big one. My guess is that PS Now gets integrated into PS Plus in some degree so more users will be using it. I don't think they'll entirely discontinue the service. It's also supported on Windows so you have that. It may also be a key feature of a Vita 2 or a disc less PS4 / PS5 model. PS Now still very much has it's use cases but it's not exactly a complete replacement for BC.

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#39 gago-gago
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I just think all this stuff they said is just damage control. I wish they could just come out and admit The Cell wasn't a good choice & they messed up. But with these damage control statements why they don't support BC now, I think they're just running with it & sticking with their hard headed statement. It's just crazy how they know even their fans highly request the option. I use to hope & think the PS4 will add some kind of BC at least digitally but with this, all hope is lost. I still think the next PS will have it regardless of what this Sony tool just said. They better, or else it takes away the confidence in buying, investing & collecting a library for PS4 if it doesn't follow you on next PS hardware like the other systems.

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#40  Edited By loe12k
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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@loe12k said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:

The first line is reasonable but the second line isn't lol.

"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."

"That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Jim Ryan

Fwiw, Jim Ryan is the global sales chief. He's not overseeing any sort of technical team at PlayStation.

I still think the PS5 will have BC w/ PS4. I don't see Sony hitting the hard refresh button.

Is Sony going to give up Playstation now? For now they can get away with PS3 games. When the PS5 comes out the service will need PS4 games. And who's going to pay for PSN now, if PS4 games can be played on the new system?

Support for PS3 games would still be a big one. My guess is that PS Now gets integrated into PS Plus in some degree so more users will be using it. I don't think they'll entirely discontinue the service. It's also supported on Windows so you have that. It may also be a key feature of a Vita 2 or a disc less PS4 / PS5 model. PS Now still very much has it's use cases but it's not exactly a complete replacement for BC.

Best case scenario it will be free for PS5.. I just have my doubts it's Sony.

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#41 pyro1245
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Hahah yeah Sony sucks.... but hey we never expected them to be consumer-friendly. That would be naive.

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@lllll1lll2ll said:
@blueinheaven said:

PS4 won't get BC but PS5 (if there is one) will have similar but more powerful hardware and operating system so BC will basically be built in.

If you want to play PS3 games why did you sell your friggin PS3? Stupid? Yes, very very stupid.

because it's better to have one thing that does multiple things rather than multiple things that each do just one thing. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?

Multiple things? We're talking about 'one' thing, a PS3. Everyone (apart from you, apparently) knows the Cell was a total bitch to work with and the very enemy of compatibility with anything that came next.

If you bought a PS4 because you're somehow absolutely desperate to play PS3 games on it I'll just go back to suggesting you should have kept your PS3. If you don't have the living space to accommodate it anymore I would say videogames are pretty much the least of your problems.

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#43 mowgly1
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@FinalFighters:

But will Xbox exists then

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#44 Nike_Air
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Jim Ryan is being whipped and scolded by Andrew House , while Kaz Harai looks on from the shadows.

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#45  Edited By cainetao11
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@Shewgenja: Then we'd be talking about a console that didn't even hit the shelf without a 10 right next to it. But okay, go ahead telling me how I wouldn't blah blah blah if this wasn't a Sony thing cuz"

What on earth does a score given by gamespot have to do with it? The Witcher 3 is on X1 and it received a 10. Do the numbers other human beings give entertainment play that large a role in your life? Lol dude.

We all know why Sony may be looking to not have BC going forward. It's called Psnow. I don't blame them. I would charge people a quarter for saying my name if I could. Sony knows PS is their cash cow. Might as well maximize possible revenue.

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#46 sHaDyCuBe321
Member since 2003 • 5769 Posts

Isn't there a Crash Trilogy release happening?

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#47 Nonstop-Madness
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@loe12k said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@loe12k said:

Is Sony going to give up Playstation now? For now they can get away with PS3 games. When the PS5 comes out the service will need PS4 games. And who's going to pay for PSN now, if PS4 games can be played on the new system?

Support for PS3 games would still be a big one. My guess is that PS Now gets integrated into PS Plus in some degree so more users will be using it. I don't think they'll entirely discontinue the service. It's also supported on Windows so you have that. It may also be a key feature of a Vita 2 or a disc less PS4 / PS5 model. PS Now still very much has it's use cases but it's not exactly a complete replacement for BC.

Best case scenario it will be free for PS5.. I just have my doubts it's Sony.

It's Sony. It won't be free. Get ready for them $80 PSN+ subscriptions. lol

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#48 tormentos
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@loe12k said:

It won't. Who's going to keep paying for Playstation now, if it's got no PS4 games.

BC is free on xbox. You have to pay if you playstation fan.

PS5 will just not play PS4 games native.

Just saying buy a Scorpio. Least you have free 360 and xbox one games you can play natively problem solved. And purchase, game pass, if you want to play a game properly on your new system!

Really so tell me why can't you play Halo 1,2,3 and 4 on xbox one?

Forza 1,2,3,4?

How about COD MW 1,2 and 3.?

You can play freaking Halo spartan but not those halo why? Oh wait because MS sell you a damn collection of Broken Halo games..hahahahahaa

Most xbox backward compatibility is composed of arcade games indies and old classics that are not even xbox related in any way.

You can play Galaga but not Ghost Recon,you can play 9 sonic games 9 games,and you can't play minecraft,or unreal tournament,no crackdown,no red dead revolver,no GTA5..

So you see trying to pretend like MS is giving free backward compatibility is a joke you want to play Halo 1,2,3 and 4 buy a collections is what MS say.

Today, we’re continuing our commitment to give you more options to diversify and expand your library of games with Xbox Game Pass, a new gaming subscription service coming later this spring. Xbox Game Pass gives you unlimited access to over 100 Xbox One and backward compatible Xbox 360 games – all for $9.99 per month.Read more at

https://news.xbox.com/2017/02/28/introducing-xbox-game-pass/#I2fdqmETUjwTwyc5.99

But but but backward compatibility is free,if you pay for the services and play a 360 game you are officially paying for backward compatibility worse most games on that services are 360 games..lol

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#49 Vaidream45
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Fuckers. If its not something that ps4 users use then why do they charge for ps1,2,3 games ? Fuckers

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#50 Sam3231
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@ConanTheStoner: lol my thought exactly - how would he know?

It doesn't matter to this guy though as $ony probably lines his fat pockets.