"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."
So basically don't expect the PS4 to get BC and don't expect the next PlayStation to get BC unless there's a new exec with different feelings for BC. But do expect to pay for your old games instead.
That's nothing new, Sony is one of those companies who wants their customer to re-purchase content with each run-time platform changes. Sony has gall to fuk up PC's CD audio ripping capability with a stealth driver install.
PS4 is Sony controlled box and their ultimate goals are full filled.
It won't. Who's going to keep paying for Playstation now, if it's got no PS4 games.
BC is free on xbox. You have to pay if you playstation fan.
PS5 will just not play PS4 games native.
Just saying buy a Scorpio. Least you have free 360 and xbox one games you can play natively problem solved. And purchase, game pass, if you want to play a game properly on your new system!
Really so tell me why can't you play Halo 1,2,3 and 4 on xbox one?
Forza 1,2,3,4?
How about COD MW 1,2 and 3.?
You can play freaking Halo spartan but not those halo why? Oh wait because MS sell you a damn collection of Broken Halo games..hahahahahaa
Most xbox backward compatibility is composed of arcade games indies and old classics that are not even xbox related in any way.
You can play Galaga but not Ghost Recon,you can play 9 sonic games 9 games,and you can't play minecraft,or unreal tournament,no crackdown,no red dead revolver,no GTA5..
So you see trying to pretend like MS is giving free backward compatibility is a joke you want to play Halo 1,2,3 and 4 buy a collections is what MS say.
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But but but backward compatibility is free,if you pay for the services and play a 360 game you are officially paying for backward compatibility worse most games on that services are 360 games..lol
@Shewgenja: Then we'd be talking about a console that didn't even hit the shelf without a 10 right next to it. But okay, go ahead telling me how I wouldn't blah blah blah if this wasn't a Sony thing cuz"
What on earth does a score given by gamespot have to do with it? The Witcher 3 is on X1 and it received a 10. Do the numbers other human beings give entertainment play that large a role in your life? Lol dude.
We all know why Sony may be looking to not have BC going forward. It's called Psnow. I don't blame them. I would charge people a quarter for saying my name if I could. Sony knows PS is their cash cow. Might as well maximize possible revenue.
Well, it's not like the console is moving past Gen 6 numbers so must-have exclusives must count for something.
I never used BC, I prefer remasters/remakes because they usually look better and perform better. Honestly if devs released bundles of classic games like Syphon filter 1-3 or onimusha 1-3 or the entire spyro collection I'd handover my wallet.
I prefer to have one system that can play all my games and BC brings me closer to this goal. Anyone stating rubbish along the lines of "just connect the old console" is corporate pandering. Don't be tools guys. BC is a good thing and look no further than PC gaming.
Thank goodness I bought an 8th gen console to play 8th gen games. Man, I'd be so mad if my expectation was different. So very very mad.
Lame.
From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?
the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.
Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.
This is very much a /thread line right there, if Sony's stance were the opposite they would applaud it, if it were as it is against it they would also applaud it.
They bend to the will of their master and rationalize what is dictated to them no matter what.
"Not actually used much". How the **** would they know that? It's "much requested". That's all that should matter to them. And they could deliver. Why bother though when you can milk PSNow?
"That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"
Oh, they just know better and they can decide what the fans want. Got it.
From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?
the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.
Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.
This is very much a /thread line right there, if Sony's stance were the opposite they would applaud it, if it were as it is against it they would also applaud it.
They bend to the will of their master and rationalize what is dictated to them no matter what.
So, where is your original PS3 at? XBox fanboys seem to have a serious case of amnesia in this thread if they think they reinvented the wheel with limited, corporate sponsored, frame chewing software based BC. /thread dah
"Not actually used much". How the **** would they know that?
It's "much requested". That's all that should matter to them. And they could deliver. Why bother though when you can milk PSNow?
"That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"
Oh, they just know better and they can decide what the fans want. Got it.
Or, you know, they had 7 years of previous experience when they launched a true fully BC console last gen...
From Scalebound being canceled to daily fangirling for a console with no 10-rated exclusives, how lame is it exactly?
the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.
Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.
This is very much a /thread line right there, if Sony's stance were the opposite they would applaud it, if it were as it is against it they would also applaud it.
They bend to the will of their master and rationalize what is dictated to them no matter what.
So, where is your original PS3 at? XBox fanboys seem to have a serious case of amnesia in this thread if they think they reinvented the wheel with limited, corporate sponsored, frame chewing software based BC. /thread dah
My original PS3 is sitting 8 feet away from me, it's a great asset. You're literally harping on something that is only built of positivity and trying to make it appear negative due to it being stated by your authoritarian figure.
Make no mistake, Sony disregarding backward compatibility going forward is not only a mistake they could easily avoid, it's a negative for their consumer audience.
the fact you actually had to bring up the xboxone here is very sad.
Fact of the matter is this..if sony's stance was different yours would also be.
This is very much a /thread line right there, if Sony's stance were the opposite they would applaud it, if it were as it is against it they would also applaud it.
They bend to the will of their master and rationalize what is dictated to them no matter what.
So, where is your original PS3 at? XBox fanboys seem to have a serious case of amnesia in this thread if they think they reinvented the wheel with limited, corporate sponsored, frame chewing software based BC. /thread dah
My original PS3 is sitting 8 feet away from me, it's a great asset. You're literally harping on something that is only built of positivity and trying to make it appear negative due to it being stated by your authoritarian figure.
Make no mistake, Sony disregarding backward compatibility going forward is not only a mistake they could easily avoid, it's a negative for their consumer audience.
While 30 million of you play the world's smallest violin for a feature you have in name only, Sony is talking about Japanese developers coming back to console development from mobile. While you guys insist on banging the gong for something that Sony had to shed out of its console design last-gen in order to gain back marketshare, you still have to line up for the publisher of these games to give you the green light to play the games you already have (supposedly).
This is the game over. Ya'll have had dick else to talk about for years so this BC nonsense gets dredged up as much as possible. No one is pitching their PS4 out a window any time soon. Not to play XBox 360 games. Please be excited. Don Mattrick called, he said you have an XBox 360 for that. Get over it.
@Shewgenja: Well, contradiction is a sign of ignorance, I mean look at this statement:
"It is one of those features that is much requested,but not actually used much."
Wtf srsly lol
The PS3 could play PS2 and PS1 games. The XBone only has limited BC to the previous gen. Hell, maybe if MS could bring ya'll some current gen games you wouldn't be so hard up about this, either.
@Shewgenja: Well, contradiction is a sign of ignorance, I mean look at this statement:
"It is one of those features that is much requested,but not actually used much."
Wtf srsly lol
The PS3 could play PS2 and PS1 games. The XBone only has limited BC to the previous gen. Hell, maybe if MS could bring ya'll some current gen games you wouldn't be so hard up about this, either.
Well, isn't that a good thing? I mean how having the option to play older games is a bad thing?
This is very much a /thread line right there, if Sony's stance were the opposite they would applaud it, if it were as it is against it they would also applaud it.
They bend to the will of their master and rationalize what is dictated to them no matter what.
So, where is your original PS3 at? XBox fanboys seem to have a serious case of amnesia in this thread if they think they reinvented the wheel with limited, corporate sponsored, frame chewing software based BC. /thread dah
My original PS3 is sitting 8 feet away from me, it's a great asset. You're literally harping on something that is only built of positivity and trying to make it appear negative due to it being stated by your authoritarian figure.
Make no mistake, Sony disregarding backward compatibility going forward is not only a mistake they could easily avoid, it's a negative for their consumer audience.
While 30 million of you play the world's smallest violin for a feature you have in name only, Sony is talking about Japanese developers coming back to console development from mobile. While you guys insist on banging the gong for something that Sony had to shed out of its console design last-gen in order to gain back marketshare, you still have to line up for the publisher of these games to give you the green light to play the games you already have (supposedly).
This is the game over. Ya'll have had dick else to talk about for years so this BC nonsense gets dredged up as much as possible. No one is pitching their PS4 out a window any time soon. Not to play XBox 360 games. Please be excited. Don Mattrick called, he said you have an XBox 360 for that. Get over it.
This is some of the most ideologically absurd jumping in logic I've seen in a long time, it doesn't matter what is going on, how many things a system is getting, its level of support from developers or any other random factor you decide to throw into the equation as a rationalization for total irrationality.
Backward compatibility in any capacity is something positive for a consumer as long as it's implemented properly without cost influx, there's no negative way to spin it, what you're trying to do and might I add failing miserably at is making something which is inherently good look bad.
Sony decided to shove physical PlayStation 2 hardware into the PlayStation 3, that is why the cost was exuberant, given the x86 architecture the PlayStation 4 is designed from and what a successor will undoubtedly be designed from as well, there's no reason it could not be a fundamental part of the system with absolutely no need for additional hardware.
"It is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much."
So basically don't expect the PS4 to get BC and don't expect the next PlayStation to get BC unless there's a new exec with different feelings for BC. But do expect to pay for your old games instead.
"First, we doubled the GPU size by essentially placing it next to a mirrored version of itself, sort of like the wings of a butterfly. That gives us an extremely clean way to support the existing 700 titles," Cerny explains, detailing how the Pro switches into its 'base' compatibility mode. "We just turn off half the GPU and run it at something quite close to the original GPU."
Mirror 18 CU was a requirement for PS4 Pro's BC with PS4.
"Old school" hit-the-metal programming model has a downside.
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Xbox Scorpio doesn't require mirror CU design with XBO BC and it's already has two SKUs i.e. Scorpio with 40 CU (6 TFLOPS) and another Scorpio with 44 CU (6.6 TFLOPS).
PS5's lack of BC with PS4/PS4 Pro has business, technical and skill set issues.
MS has superior experience with designing software ecosystems with BC and hardware scaling e.g. Windows gaming PC.
All this whole old Gran Turismo games would be outdated excuse is just an excuse. I mean Xbox could improve old ass games here and there, so they're telling you Sony aren't capable and/or doesn't have the capability to do the same and improve old games like Xbox can? And even they don't want to improve the graphics, that's ok because people still like retro games or retro looking games. I recently bought The Orange Box & Left 4 Dead games for cheap from the recent huge BC sale they had, and these gems are still gems no matter how old they are and how outdated they look, they're still fun. And it's funny too because they tell you why they don't support BC excuse as they continue to sell you these "Classics" lol.
Man, you can tell it is killing people inside that Sony has sold over 50 million PS4s since MS announced the BC in the XBone. BC didnt save the PS3. BC didn't save the XBone. But oh lort, don't let these people in on the big secret lol
I prefer to have one system that can play all my games and BC brings me closer to this goal. Anyone stating rubbish along the lines of "just connect the old console" is corporate pandering. Don't be tools guys. BC is a good thing and look no further than PC gaming.
Dude, I kept my Windows 95 PC, my Windows 98SE PC, my Windows ME PC, my Windows 2000 PC, my Windows Vista PC, my Windows 7 PC and my Windows 8 PC to play older games along side my Windows 10 PC. I would rather have all those PC's instead of playing all my favorites on just one.
Sony fans are off the charts pissed that the Xbox is doing better than ever, and offers more games an features than the PS4.
They already have working PS1 & PS2 emulators on PS4, and they have people with PS3 purchases of PS1/PS2 classics, I see no reason why there couldn't have been any attempt to help customers retain rights to their PS1/PS2 classics, I understand the difficulty of PS3 BC and probably the streaming service and remasters are really the only available avenue there, but I fail to see their rational to not including more PS1/PS2 BC, and most importantly the benefit of helping customers retain rights to games they already purchased. IMO they tried to make a bigger buck by re-releasing games on the PS4 store, with the upped resolution and achievements and charging more money for them.
I can see a reluctance on part of the consumers to jump on board, after all if they basically just said all your old rights are useless then why would you jump on what they're offering next? Furthermore, they had a robust library of great PS1/PS2 classics on the PS3's store, the PS4 store started from scratch and didn't have anything as quality as what the PS3 store offered.
Also, when you look at what Microsoft did, they had to slowly go out and get publishers to agree to offering those games on the XB1 platform, I'd understand if Sony had to do the same thing and couldn't offer gamers blanket access to their old PS1/PS2 classics they had on PS3 on PS4, but even if it takes time they can rebuild that library. Looking at the XB1 BC library now they've added a lot of quality titles since introducing BC, and they'll likely keep at it. If Sony made an honest effort to expand PS1/PS2 BC on PS4 in a fashion that rebuilds people's PS1/PS2 classics they had on PS3, as well as build on top of that, I think that PS4's backwards compatibility would have broader support.
Man, you can tell it is killing people inside that Sony has sold over 50 million PS4s since MS announced the BC in the XBone. BC didnt save the PS3. BC didn't save the XBone. But oh lort, don't let these people in on the big secret lol
Its cute that you are trying so hard to hide the pain of no BC. Its ok. Maybe next time Sony would throw you a bone for good measure.
All this whole old Gran Turismo games would be outdated excuse is just an excuse. I mean Xbox could improve old ass games here and there, so they're telling you Sony aren't capable and/or doesn't have the capability to do the same and improve old games like Xbox can? And even they don't want to improve the graphics, that's ok because people still like retro games or retro looking games. I recently bought The Orange Box & Left 4 Dead games for cheap from the recent huge BC sale they had, and these gems are still gems no matter how old they are and how outdated they look, they're still fun. And it's funny too because they tell you why they don't support BC excuse as they continue to sell you these "Classics" lol.
MS has superior experience with designing software ecosystems with BC and hardware scaling e.g. Windows gaming PC.
Xbox = small CPU:big GPU ratio near legacy free DirectX box within a given price target i.e. MS's disagreement with major PC OEMs and Intel.
Resource tracking APIs has to be designed to scale e.g. if a particular resource arrived unexpected on faster hardware, it can cause BC problems. Windows PC gaming software ecosystem was designed to scale.
@Shewgenja said:
Man, you can tell it is killing people inside that Sony has sold over 50 million PS4s since MS announced the BC in the XBone. BC didnt save the PS3. BC didn't save the XBone. But oh lort, don't let these people in on the big secret lol
NVIDIA itself attributes its success in the third quarter to sales of its Pascal-based products — the GeForce GTX 1060, 1070 and 1080 as well as their mobile brethren
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For the three-quarters so far in 2016, NVIDIA has sold approximately 25 million of desktop discrete GPUs.
There's a large market for GTX 1060 level GPU i.e. greater than PS4 Pro level hardware covered Xbox One's install base within three-quarters in year 2016.
Windows has BC and hardware scaling.
Xbox = small CPU:big GPU ratio near legacy free DirectX box within a given price target and MS's disagreements with major PC OEMs and Intel.
Eh, I don't see Jim Ryan deciding the future of BC. His dismissive comments about PS1 and PS2 games sound like damage control. His own company is churning out PS2 remasters, so his comments conflict with their apparent effort to revive PS2 games. I wouldn't read too much into what this means for the PS5.
That's a pretty ridiculous statement to hear from sony.
BC is a fantastic feature and even it's limited version on the Xbox One gets tons of use. I'm fairly certain they've already estimated how much time has been spent on it some months back.
And to Shewninja, stop acting like the 600 dollar original ps3 was a great BC machine. It was out for all of a few months with a huge price tag and I believe it had overheating issues.
I wouldn't mind having bc on the ps4 for ps1/2 games, that should be pretty easy actually and kinda bs for not including it. For ps3 games I can understand why as it would be nearly impossible on the ps4
Honestly while I agree with the general notion that BC is mostly irrelevant, them charging for PS1, PS2, and PS3 game makes them just look like a bunch of hypocrites.
I don't need it that's for sure. Can't even recall a single 7th gen game that i've played or wanted to play on an 8th gen system. BC was only added to the Xbone so MS would have something to brag about. Without it, a yearly Forza is all we hear from them.
I wouldn't mind having bc on the ps4 for ps1/2 games, that should be pretty easy actually and kinda bs for not including it. For ps3 games I can understand why as it would be nearly impossible on the ps4
PS3 games that lightly used CELL's SPEs can be emulated on PS4, but NVIDIA could charge additional IP cost for RSX just like XBox 360's NV2A IGP software support.
Unlike open source projects, a proper business can't blindly emulating somebody's IP.
If downloading an entire game to your hd from a limited list of games is "bc" then so is playstation now. Makes about as much sense.
The bottom line is that they don't care.
Its really not that limited of a list lmao. They have tons of major titles on there, with at least 2 major games added a month for GWG, usually. And its all up to the developer/publisher saying yes. I think its at around 350 or 360 right now, with more added every week or other week. Thats loads better than the paid PsNow you're likely referring to.
I remember during the start of last gen that Xbox fans created the PS3 has no games meme while the PS3 was the first console too ever have full BC over two generations. Now that the Xbox One has not even full BC over one gen they're acting very hypocritically.
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