All of the people here on damage control for sony would be on full attack if this or something remotely similar happened to microsoft. The fact is (and it is a fact) that sony has some work to do in the security department and all of this publicity is not good for them if they want to keep attracting gamers. You can sugar coat and use softer terms for the issue all you want but sony doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times security wise.
All of the people here on damage control for sony would be on full attack if this or something remotely similar happened to microsoft. The fact is (and it is a fact) that sony has some work to do in the security department and all of this publicity is not good for them if they want to keep attracting gamers. You can sugar coat and use softer terms for the issue all you want but sony doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times security wise.javafriek
There is no damage to control :|
Somebody fished a large number of user IDs of OTHER SERVICES (I.E. NOT Playstation Network) through social engineering, and then tested those IDs and Passwords to see if there were PSN IDs with the same login info. What does that have to do with Sony again?
[QUOTE="javafriek"]All of the people here on damage control for sony would be on full attack if this or something remotely similar happened to microsoft. The fact is (and it is a fact) that sony has some work to do in the security department and all of this publicity is not good for them if they want to keep attracting gamers. You can sugar coat and use softer terms for the issue all you want but sony doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times security wise.StrongDeadlift
There is no damage to control :|
Somebody fished a large number of user IDs of OTHER SERVICES (I.E. NOT Playstation Network) through social engineering, and then tested those IDs and Passwords to see if there were PSN IDs with the same login info. What does that have to do with Sony again?
I thought it was pretty apparent but I will spell it out more..damage to their reputation.
Its seems based on what Sony have posted that this is a social engineering hack and while 90,000 isnt a lot of accounts on PSN given the amount of additional accounts a lot of PSN users have (I have 4 on my console) its important that Sony does everything by the book in this matter and keeps the users updated regularly.
and before people blame sony for failing to protect security, read the article
these "hackers" took usernames and password combos from other sites which had been compromised and attempted to use all of them in a trial and error procedure to seize control of some PSN accounts. this yeilded results because some people use the same username and passwords for all sites and thus there are bound to be a good handfull of them who did the same with PSN. this has nothing to do with sony's security
Hey I guess sony has been beefing up security, only 93,000 instead of 70,000,000. LMAO!AiurProtoss
1st. these "hackers" took usernames and password combos from other sites which had been compromised and attempted to use all of them in a trial and error procedure to seize control of some PSN accounts. this yeilded results because some people use the same username and passwords for all sites and thus there are bound to be a good handfull of them who did the same with PSN. this has nothing to do with sony's security. 2nd. If you believe that sony has actually 70 million unique accounts,and tons are not from the same users who have multiple,EU accounts,Japan account.
All of the people here on damage control for sony would be on full attack if this or something remotely similar happened to microsoft. The fact is (and it is a fact) that sony has some work to do in the security department and all of this publicity is not good for them if they want to keep attracting gamers. You can sugar coat and use softer terms for the issue all you want but sony doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times security wise.javafriek
But unlike MS were people have to fight over the phone and actually alert MS of what was happening,sony actually freeze those accounts no questions ask,apparently sony is taking much more seriously now anything having to do with any hacks.
[QUOTE="sts106mat"] sounds remarkably like the story from a few weeks ago, but it was xbox live where people had been using passwords. Yep exactly the same using the methods use for XBL,knowing that people actually use the same password in many sites,at least it wasn't PSN this time,it look like sony learn their lesson.
All of the people here on damage control for sony would be on full attack if this or something remotely similar happened to microsoft. The fact is (and it is a fact) that sony has some work to do in the security department and all of this publicity is not good for them if they want to keep attracting gamers. You can sugar coat and use softer terms for the issue all you want but sony doesn't seem to be keeping up with the times security wise.javafriek
What are you talking about? The same thing (most likely) happens to Microsoft constantly, you'll just never hear about it directly
I'd give every company the benefit of the doubt if the same were to happen to Microsoft or Nintendo. Why come in here and try to gloat after not even reading the article for one thing...
What are you talking about? The same thing (most likely) happens to Microsoft constantly, you'll just never hear about it directlyI'd give every company the benefit of the doubt if the same were to happen to Microsoft or Nintendo. Why come in here and try to gloat after not even reading the article for one thing...KevinPlanet
Microsoft is investigating possible fraud on its Xbox Live online gaming service, the company said Tuesday. The investigation comes after gamers reported having their Xbox Live accounts hijacked and their credit cards used to buy "Microsoft Points," the virtual currency on Xbox Live, which has more than 6 million users. "Recently, there have been reports of fraudulent activity and account theft taking place on the Xbox Live network," a Microsoft representative said in a statement provided to CNET News.com. "Security is a top priority for Xbox Live, and we are actively investigating all reports of fraudulent behavior and theft." http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-probes-possible-Xbox-Live-fraud/2100-7349_3-6169060.html Since 2007 who knows if earlier,but xbox fans deny it because MS will deny it latter,and say is an isolated case,just like they say with RROD.
Microsoft is investigating possible fraud on its Xbox Live online gaming service, the company said Tuesday. The investigation comes after gamers reported having their Xbox Live accounts hijacked and their credit cards used to buy "Microsoft Points," the virtual currency on Xbox Live, which has more than 6 million users. "Recently, there have been reports of fraudulent activity and account theft taking place on the Xbox Live network," a Microsoft representative said in a statement provided to CNET News.com. "Security is a top priority for Xbox Live, and we are actively investigating all reports of fraudulent behavior and theft." http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-probes-possible-Xbox-Live-fraud/2100-7349_3-6169060.html Since 2007 who knows if earlier,but xbox fans deny it because MS will deny it latter,and say is an isolated case,just like they say with RROD.tormentos
[QUOTE="tormentos"]Microsoft is investigating possible fraud on its Xbox Live online gaming service, the company said Tuesday. The investigation comes after gamers reported having their Xbox Live accounts hijacked and their credit cards used to buy "Microsoft Points," the virtual currency on Xbox Live, which has more than 6 million users. "Recently, there have been reports of fraudulent activity and account theft taking place on the Xbox Live network," a Microsoft representative said in a statement provided to CNET News.com. "Security is a top priority for Xbox Live, and we are actively investigating all reports of fraudulent behavior and theft." http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-probes-possible-Xbox-Live-fraud/2100-7349_3-6169060.html Since 2007 who knows if earlier,but xbox fans deny it because MS will deny it latter,and say is an isolated case,just like they say with RROD.waltefmoney
It says "possible" fraud.
""Gamers have been reporting the incidents for some time in online forums--including on Xbox.com--and to Microsoft's Xbox help desk. Many users of the Microsoft console have been frustrated with the software giant's response to date. "My Xbox Live account was hacked and all credit card info was stolen and used to run up points...Microsoft says: 'Oh, well, better call your credit card companies, nothing we can do,'" one user wrote on the Xbox Web site last month."" Same link bro.
""Gamers have been reporting the incidents for some time in online forums--including on Xbox.com--and to Microsoft's Xbox help desk. Many users of the Microsoft console have been frustrated with the software giant's response to date. "My Xbox Live account was hacked and all credit card info was stolen and used to run up points...Microsoft says: 'Oh, well, better call your credit card companies, nothing we can do,'" one user wrote on the Xbox Web site last month."" Same link bro. tormentos
Do you have any information on how many people were affected?
XBL or PSN; which one will have the higher subscription fee next gen. since protecting against these type things do cost some bucks and Sony could use some extra bucks ya know? :twisted: :P
[QUOTE="sts106mat"] i knew you wouldn't be able to resist turning this into an anti MS bashing fest. you famously say MS always try and hide things, well i am calling BS on that statement tormentos, here is an example of a mess up by MS recently, their head of policy enforcement came and issued an apology on the Major nelson, blog, podcast and twitter page, hardly something i would consider "denying" or "hiding" . http://majornelson.com/2011/09/23/a-guest-post-from-stepto-regarding-console-suspensions/ Wow dude what is wrong with you i can't post anything on any threat without fallowing me around trying to fight me,let it go. You can all BS on anything you like MS hided RROD and dismiss it as been something under the normal 3 to 5 % fail rate,and that cases were individual,when tons of people since launch could not play on 360,worst they even dare to charge people,even that they re found the money latter,they knew there was a problem and still charge people for it. They had to return that money,just like they had to extend the warranty is was obligatory,but some of you feel like MS did it because they love 360 fans,my god sony was force to repair DRE errors,if MS did not extended the warranty and fixed the problem,the Government would have step in and make them period. Now before you start your usual comeback,see that i just quote a dude who say this has happen to MS as well,i was just confirming hes words.
[QUOTE="tormentos"]""Gamers have been reporting the incidents for some time in online forums--including on Xbox.com--and to Microsoft's Xbox help desk. Many users of the Microsoft console have been frustrated with the software giant's response to date. "My Xbox Live account was hacked and all credit card info was stolen and used to run up points...Microsoft says: 'Oh, well, better call your credit card companies, nothing we can do,'" one user wrote on the Xbox Web site last month."" Same link bro. waltefmoney
Do you have any information on how many people were affected?
No but it happen already on 360 and has been happening for long time,360 fans dismiss it as weak password breach.
[QUOTE="tormentos"]No but it happen already on 360 and has been happening for long timewaltefmoney
So you have no idea how many people actually suffered from it, but you're using it to counter 90k people having their accounts breached?
360 fans dismiss it as weak password breachtormentos
You interview 360 fans? That's nice.
No i did not use i as counter if i would want to do that i would have done this. ""The name you all should know by now, LulzSec, has just hacked Xbox Live and has exposed over 60,000 Xbox Live gamertags, passwords, and even PayPal information. The information was taken down from forums multiple times, but it keeps getting posted."" http://techmento.com/2011/06/18/xbox-live-hacked-60000-accounts-leaked/ Now what i did was back up what the dude say with a link date from 2007,so people see for how long the claims of XBL accounts been hack date back to. No i did not interview xbox fans,i took it from the excuses poster like you (not you in special) post here when something about a hack on XBL is posted here.
[QUOTE="sts106mat"] that "dude" you quoted was me! perhaps you should get your eyes checked. No you should have them check the dude i quote,in the big post you just quoted is call KevinPlanet KevinPlanet wrote: What are you talking about? The same thing (most likely) happens to Microsoft constantly, you'll just never hear about it directlyI'd give every company the benefit of the doubt if the same were to happen to Microsoft or Nintendo. Why come in here and try to gloat after not even reading the article for one thing..."" This is the dude i quote and the one i posted the info for,now you go out and have your eyes check,in fact before the post where you make a drama i actually agree with you lol..
[QUOTE="tormentos"]No i did not use i as counter if i would want to do that i would have done this. ""The name you all should know by now, LulzSec, has just hacked Xbox Live and has exposed over 60,000 Xbox Live gamertags, passwords, and even PayPal information. The information was taken down from forums multiple times, but it keeps getting posted."" http://techmento.com/2011/06/18/xbox-live-hacked-60000-accounts-leaked/ Now what i did was back up what the dude say with a link date from 2007,so people see for how long the claims of XBL accounts been hack date back to. No i did not interview xbox fans,i took it from the excuses poster like you (not you in special) post here when something about a hack on XBL is posted here.sts106mat
the difference is (as we always have to explain the same thing to you) Xbox Live has not been hacked. Xbox live user accounts have been hacked, unlike with the PSN fiasco, the XBOX Live servers were not compromised.
This particular PSN incident is the same as what has been happening with the xbox user accounts. xbox live as entity itself still has not been hacked.
PSN Fiasco.? lol I don't even have to go that far to see you flame sony,but i guess i invented that one to.
This is what they should've done last time. And according to that article, it wasn't actually a hack attempt.
deadruler08
To hack means to break into. They broke into up to 90,000 accounts. They didn't, they simply used them or attempted to use them, breaking them would mean the passwords of the accounts were brute forced or guessed which they weren't. Nothing fancy or to worry about here, change your password and move on.
like I predicted, virtually none of you are reading the article and have any clue what you are talking about
this isnt a fault of sony's firewall or a system security breach at all. this is people taking leaked usernames/passwords from unrelated sites and trying them, trial and error, to get some matches. they could easily do the same thing to XBL and they probably are doing that as we speak. not that microsoft would address such a thing considering how they ignored the rampant account phishing schemes for years.
arbitor365
Yeah, agreed. Sony's fine this time around and handled it great, even notifying people that it happened. Last time *they* were the ones having the information taken to be used on other sites - this time someone else somewhere else got hacked, and others are just testing their findings from the other sites to see if they work on SOE stuff.
You know what Sony, you need to get your **** together and fast. Sure the hackers are the ultimate blame, but come on! You need to secure your damn network and stop saying "it's not our fault" well guess what, now it kinda is. Yes the hackers are the main ones at fault here, but you Sony need to be responsible and keep things safe...
On a side note I recommend EVERYONE (even xbox live users)to change their passwords every so often just in case. Sure xbox live has never been hacked into before (and I hope it never does) but that's no guarntee it won't or that it can't be hacked (it can be, just not as easy as PSN apparently.). Just to be safe because you never know.
You know what Sony, you need to get your **** together and fast. Sure the hackers are the ultimate blame, but come on! You need to secure your damn network and stop saying "it's not our fault" well guess what, now it kinda is. Yes the hackers are the main ones at fault here, but you Sony need to be responsible and keep things safe...
On a side note I recommend EVERYONE (even xbox live users)to change their passwords every so often just in case. Sure xbox live has never been hacked into before (and I hope it never does) but that's no guarntee it won't or that it can't be hacked (it can be, just not as easy as PSN apparently.). Just to be safe because you never know.
ShadowMoses900
If you consider this occurrence a hack then YES XBL has been hacked in the same manner. The thing is it really isn't a hack.
You know what Sony, you need to get your **** together and fast. Sure the hackers are the ultimate blame, but come on! You need to secure your damn network and stop saying "it's not our fault" well guess what, now it kinda is. Yes the hackers are the main ones at fault here, but you Sony need to be responsible and keep things safe...
On a side note I recommend EVERYONE (even xbox live users)to change their passwords every so often just in case. Sure xbox live has never been hacked into before (and I hope it never does) but that's no guarntee it won't or that it can't be hacked (it can be, just not as easy as PSN apparently.). Just to be safe because you never know.
DerekLoffin
If you consider this occurrence a hack then YES XBL has been hacked in the same manner. The thing is it really isn't a hack.
I never said xbox live has been hacked, I was simply saying that you need to be safe with your information no matter what service it's on. I hope xbox live NEVER get's hacked into like PSN did, but just incase if it would ever happen (again I hope it never does and I'm not trying to scare anyone) you would need to know that your information is protected. I merely suggested that people change their passwords every now and then just to be safe.
Its seems based on what Sony have posted that this is a social engineering hack and while 90,000 isnt a lot of accounts on PSN given the amount of additional accounts a lot of PSN users have (I have 4 on my console) its important that Sony does everything by the book in this matter and keeps the users updated regularly.
ccagracing
I wouldn't exactly say its social engineering. I mean, we don't know where they got the emails/passwords. It may have been through phishing, or it may have been from actual hacking of some other service. In either case though, it was from somewhere OTHER than Sony. So Sony's security wasn't in anyway responsible or lacking.
For all we know, this is some of the people that used social engineering on Live to get emails/passwords for Live accounts over the past however many years, and said "Hey, lets see if any of these same people have PSN accounts with the same passwords!" Which would be kinda funny.
Omg, hacking ATTEMPTS were made, nobody was hacked. Hackers TRIED signing into about 90,000 accounts. Those accounts are now locked down until the real user verifies the account (with a change of password obviously).
Honestly I don't even think this is news worthy. This kinda stuff happens to every company all the time, they just don't report on it.
Its seems based on what Sony have posted that this is a social engineering hack and while 90,000 isnt a lot of accounts on PSN given the amount of additional accounts a lot of PSN users have (I have 4 on my console) its important that Sony does everything by the book in this matter and keeps the users updated regularly.
ianuilliam
I wouldn't exactly say its social engineering. I mean, we don't know where they got the emails/passwords. It may have been through phishing, or it may have been from actual hacking of some other service. In either case though, it was from somewhere OTHER than Sony. So Sony's security wasn't in anyway responsible or lacking.
For all we know, this is some of the people that used social engineering on Live to get emails/passwords for Live accounts over the past however many years, and said "Hey, lets see if any of these same people have PSN accounts with the same passwords!" Which would be kinda funny.
There are massive lists of stollen passwords gathered all the time from all different kinds of services. A few years ago people used to post massive lists of Facebook and Myspace passwords in MASS on 4 chan (I dont post there, but people on another forum I go to talked about it). This was all back when Myspace exploded with phishing scams and everyones accounts were getting phished in mass. These lists would end up on 4 chan, where people could freely log into them, and most people wouldnt even know.
Omg, hacking ATTEMPTS were made, nobody was hacked. Hackers TRIED signing into about 90,000 accounts. Those accounts are now locked down until the real user verifies the account (with a change of password obviously).
Honestly I don't even think this is news worthy. This kinda stuff happens to every company all the time, they just don't report on it.
*waits for people to blame sony for something they didnt do*campzor
Sony didn't do anything wrong in this particular case, but you really shouldn't care so much what people say about Sony, it doesn't do anything for you.
[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="campzor"]*waits for people to blame sony for something they didnt do*AncientDozer
Sony didn't do anything wrong in this particular case, but you really shouldn't care so much what people say about Sony, it doesn't do anything for you. Of course you blame sony, especially now. Apparently they learned NOTHING from the last incident. Didn't they make a new department for overseeing security? Didn't they redouble their efforts to address security concerns? No, apparently not or at least not enough because they just got dumped on.
Learned nothing? You mean like because they went public sooner than before? Or because it was an ATTEMPT rather than a "Hey we got no firewall come in anyone is welcome!!". Wow read the link first.
[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="campzor"]*waits for people to blame sony for something they didnt do*AncientDozer
Sony didn't do anything wrong in this particular case, but you really shouldn't care so much what people say about Sony, it doesn't do anything for you. Of course you blame sony, especially now. Apparently they learned NOTHING from the last incident. Didn't they make a new department for overseeing security? Didn't they redouble their efforts to address security concerns? No, apparently not or at least not enough because they just got dumped on.
And apparently you didn't learn that this was not a hack attempt against sony.
Does Sony have any brute force prevention measures? If not, its still their fault. A proper brute force program can run through the top 1000 passwords in one second. That would easily be able to get 90000 username/password pairs.
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