Sony has better FIRST PARTY then Nintendo this gen (imo).

I have both a Wii and PS3, honestly, this is not hard to understand.

Main Nintendo first-parties.

2007/8:
Smash Brawl - This is Smash Bros. Melee with more characters, I highly doubt this game took THAT much money/time to make for Wii, it's not like it does monstrous new things. This is a great game, it's fun and that's what everyone wanted from Brawl, it delivered, but it's not a new IP, and it doesn't do something unique like Mario Galaxy, so where is Nintendo's work really going to?
Twilight Princess - a port of a Gamecube game, while great, it's not a Wii Zelda
Mario Kart Wii - Mario Kart 64 with better graphics, this is my opinion. I didn't like this one honestly, Mario Kart 64 had great atmosphere in each level, Mario Kart Wii felt severely dumbed down.
Mario Galaxy - complete new amazing experience, Nintendo really delivered here.
Metroid Prime 3 - I haven't played it, so I won't comment.

2009:
??? I'm hoping for a Starfox or Donkey Kong, but that's being optimistic.

Main Sony first-parties.

2007/8:
Resistance series - The first Resistance in my opinion was very generic, it wasn't that good, it was polished but it just wasn't fun for a Half Life 2 fanatic like me, but Resistance 2 however is improving on everything, and really looks great in my opinion.
Uncharted series - Another great new IP, practically everyone who got this game has enjoyed it, a lot of the gameplay mechanics are from Gears of War, but the story and characters are way better in my opinion, which makes the game funner for me (I don't care that much for multiplayer when it comes to these games)
Folklore - This game is REALLY underated in my opinion. The thing that brings it down is the constant load times and the graphics aren't that great, but the art s t y l e is incredible, it's fun, rewarding, and a nice story, I hope there's a sequel as well.
Little Big Planet - No explanation needed.
Siren: Blood Curse - Very rewarding, chilling horror franchise, it's not a new IP but it deserves to be put on the list imo.
Motorstorm series - Great new off-road racing franchise, fun and looks beautiful imo.

2009:
Infamous
Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
God of War
Gran Turismo 5 (I really doubt it, but maybe, more optimism)

What's my main point?

Sony has been cranking out more new IP's then ever. All of them look like they're turning into franchises that keep getting better. Nintendo released 2 games that I highly doubt took that much time/effort to make, 1 game that's a port, and 2 games that they worked hard on and released.

It's obviously safe to assume we'll get a new Zelda and Pikmin, but not in 2009, which begs a huge question, how could someone possibly act like Nintendo's first party trumps Sony's? Not this gen imo. By the way if I forgot any Nintendo first party games that people feel they need to include say it here and i'll edit them, but I was just talking about the "core" franchises that people expect Nintendo to succeed in.

Smash Brawl - This is Smash Bros. Melee with more characters, I highly doubt this game took THAT much money/time to make for Wii, it's not like it does monstrous new things. This is a great game, it's fun and that's what everyone wanted from Brawl, it delivered, but it's not a new IP, and it doesn't do something unique like Mario Galaxy, so where is Nintendo's work really going to?

angry_fork

I agree, that's one of the things Sony has done right this gen. All of their big games last year (except R & C) was a new IP.Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

Smash Brawl - This is Smash Bros. Melee with more characters, I highly doubt this game took THAT much money/time to make for Wii, it's not like it does monstrous new things. This is a great game, it's fun and that's what everyone wanted from Brawl, it delivered, but it's not a new IP, and it doesn't do something unique like Mario Galaxy, so where is Nintendo's work really going to?

metroidfood

In my opinion Smash Brawl is Smash Melee with more characters and modes, it doesn't upgrade the graphics, it doesn't upgrade the gameplay. This means it cost the same as a last-gen game, which isn't remotely close to something like Resistance 2.

In my opinion Smash Brawl is Smash Melee with more characters and modes, it doesn't upgrade the graphics, it doesn't upgrade the gameplay. This means it cost the same as a last-gen game, which isn't remotely close to something like Resistance 2.

angry_fork

Have you even seen the game? Besides looking far better than Melee, the game has massive amounts of content, including over 200 songs (many fully orchestrated) and an entire single player mode with CG cutscenes.

The game obviously took a massive amount of resources, time and money, as evidenced by the incredible production values and almost never-ending delays.

I agree, that's one of the things Sony has done right this gen. All of their big games last year (except R & C) was a new IP.Floppy_Jim

You agree? How.What has Sony put out so far this gen to counter TP,SMG,SSBB or MP3?I agree that their lineup looks promising,but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Oh and Insomniac,(who made R&C) are 3rd party.

Is this a joke thread? You look at the 1st Party games Nintendo has out this gen for Wii/DS and compare it to the PSP/PS3 and its pretty lopsided. At least thats the way I see it. Nintendo takes this easily.

Blackbond

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]I agree, that's one of the things Sony has done right this gen. All of their big games last year (except R & C) was a new IP.stvee101

You agree? How.What has Sony put out so far this gen to counter TP,SMG,SSBB or MP3?I agree that their lineup looks promising,but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Oh and Insomniac,(who made R&C) are 3rd party.

Well, SMG is the only one of those games I would really be interested in. Insomniac are independant but all of their games are published by Sony so I think that technically makes them 2nd party. And I think the TC was talking about both 1st and 2nd party.

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]I agree, that's one of the things Sony has done right this gen. All of their big games last year (except R & C) was a new IP.Floppy_Jim

You agree? How.What has Sony put out so far this gen to counter TP,SMG,SSBB or MP3?I agree that their lineup looks promising,but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Oh and Insomniac,(who made R&C) are 3rd party.

Well, SMG is the only one of those games I would really be interested in. Insomniac are independant but all of their games are published by Sony so I think that technically makes them 2nd party. And I think the TC was talking about both 1st and 2nd party.

Eh the point still stands,Sony's 1st/2nd part releases are not up to the standards of Nintendo so far.But with the way Nintendo are focusing their resources this gen,I'd say theres a good chance Sony could have the more impressive lineup when its over.

In my opinion Smash Brawl is Smash Melee with more characters and modes, it doesn't upgrade the graphics, it doesn't upgrade the gameplay. This means it cost the same as a last-gen game, which isn't remotely close to something like Resistance 2.

angry_fork

Mr. Bear doesn't like when fanboys think one thing but deny the fact. Fact is, Brawl is not Melee, it didn't cost the same as Melee, and the "upgrades" are quite substantial, significant and costly as always, especially with today's rising development costs, the amount of content/time/energy Brawl had put into it, and today's economy being in the shape it is today.

Brawl's got 3rd party characters that aren't Nintendo, IP and resources from those said parties that aren't theirs (more money than it would be for Nintendo to ever use just their own IP since they need to pay some deal here) and along with everything else... the soundtrack is mostly orchestrated, and ah hell.. they have the voice acters, sound designers, a larger team than Melee consisted of... there's no possible way this game costed the same as Melee, cause it uses an entirely new engine, middleware, and has to pay royalties/contracts with other people outside Nintendo.

Is this a joke thread? You look at the 1st Party games Nintendo has out this gen for Wii/DS and compare it to the PSP/PS3 and its pretty lopsided. At least thats the way I see it. Nintendo takes this easily.Blackbond

I only included the first game in the series so for the Wii Series I only included Wii Sports I didn't include its sequal.

Also TC your list didn't include

• Sin & Punishment 2
• Punch Out
• Tact of Magic
• Trace Memory Wii
• Dynamic Slash
• Spawn Smashers
• Cosmic Walk
• Fatal Frame IV
• Disaster Day of Crisis
• Endless Ocean 2

All of these games are for the Wii and all of them are atleast Published by Nintendo and all but 1 is an IP that is owned by Nintendo. All of these are for 2009.

This time I'll let reviews speak for me:

Main Nintendo first-parties.

2007/8:
Smash Brawl - 9.5

Twilight Princess - 8.8

Mario Kart Wii - 8.5

Mario Galaxy - 9.5 (and psecond highest ranked game ever)

Metroid Prime 3 - 8.5

Main Sony first-parties.

2007/8:
Resistance series - 8.6

Uncharted series - 8.0

Folklore - 8.0

Little Big Planet - No explanation needed. Yes, it is needed. It is not out, so anything could happen (it wouldn't been the first time an extremely hyped game flops)
Siren: Blood Curse - 7.0

Motorstorm series - 8.0

angry_fork

I respect your opinion, but there's no denying that in terms of sales and critical reception, the Ninty's first party games have pawned.

Even reviews aside, whcih games had more impact? Mario Kart Wii or Motostorm? Mario Galaxy or Zelda TP? Metroid Prime 3 or Folklore?

And there's are SSBB and SMG.

Nintendo, as always, won in first party.

nope, nintendo still does

i give sony credit for some new ips though

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

In my opinion Smash Brawl is Smash Melee with more characters and modes, it doesn't upgrade the graphics, it doesn't upgrade the gameplay. This means it cost the same as a last-gen game, which isn't remotely close to something like Resistance 2.

yoshi_64

Mr. Bear doesn't like when fanboys think one thing but deny the fact. Fact is, Brawl is not Melee, it didn't cost the same as Melee, and the "upgrades" are quite substantial, significant and costly as always, especially with today's rising development costs, the amount of content/time/energy Brawl had put into it, and today's economy being in the shape it is today.

Brawl's got 3rd party characters that aren't Nintendo, IP and resources from those said parties that aren't theirs (more money than it would be for Nintendo to ever use just their own IP since they need to pay some deal here) and along with everything else... the soundtrack is mostly orchestrated, and ah hell.. they have the voice acters, sound designers, a larger team than Melee consisted of... there's no possible way this game costed the same as Melee, cause it uses an entirely new engine, middleware, and has to pay royalties/contracts with other people outside Nintendo.

As always I kneel before the mighty wiseness of Mr. Bear.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Is this a joke thread? You look at the 1st Party games Nintendo has out this gen for Wii/DS and compare it to the PSP/PS3 and its pretty lopsided. At least thats the way I see it. Nintendo takes this easily.

too_much_eslim

Wouldn't matter anyways. Nintendo has put out some beast 1st Party games this gen for Wii already including a GOTY.

Is this a joke, DS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every first party game on the psp/ps3.

On a serious note has a first party game from Sony won GOTY yet in this gen, don't think so.

super mario galaxy alone is better than the PS3 games released so far IMO

as for the ones to come, we don't really know what they'll be like .. they could deliver massively, or they might not live up to the immense hype

Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Panther501

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Panther501

Do not confuse Sequel with Remake man.

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)locopatho

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Panther501

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

Sequels continue on a story. Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks.

I don't think I am confused and if you believe that SMG is a sequel to SM64 then give me a solid timeline of events.

SM64 = Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario saves Peach, the end (takes place in mushroom kingdom)

SMG = Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario saves Peach, the end (all takes place in space)

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Panther501

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

Well if you're going to go by what you prefer then why are you hounding someone else for what they prefer?

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Panther501

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

The helpless sheep with a PS2 and 360? Lol. Resistance was a generic shooter but just cos it's a new ip it's apparently automatically better than the best 3d platformer in many years, perhaps ever.

[QUOTE="Panther501"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Blackbond

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

Well if you're going to go by what you prefer then why are you hounding someone else for what they prefer?

Its called debate.

[QUOTE="Panther501"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)locopatho

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

The helpless sheep with a PS2 and 360? Lol. Resistance was a generic shooter but just cos it's a new ip it's apparently automatically better than the best 3d platformer in many years, perhaps ever.

But not a ps3 so how could you have played resistance. Don't debate things that you have no intelligence of.

Its called debate.

Panther501

You're debating soley based on opinions that have no basis other then your personal preference. Tell me who has the most critically acclaimed games this gen between Sony and Nintendo's 1st Party? How many GOTY awards has either won?

Sequels continue on a story. Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks.

I don't think I am confused and if you believe that SMG is a sequel to SM64 then give me a solid timeline of events.

SM64 = Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario saves Peach, the end (takes place in mushroom kingdom)

SMG = Bowser kidnaps Peach after the events of SM64, Mario saves Peach again, the end (all takes place in space)

Panther501

You see? Sequel :P

Besides, that statement "Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks." is false. Remakes use the same core game, not only the story.

If you had played Mario Galaxy you would know how different it is from SM64.

I have both as well but you cant really compare the future with Nintendo because they dont announce games as early as most other do. But Sony is not really doing half of what they did last gen nor is Nintendo for that matter.

MGS4 (10) > SMG (9.5)

I can't do this anymore cause I am apparently ticking off the mod for distrupive posting. I advise you do the same.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Panther501"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]Anyone who likes all of these remakes of old nes games should get over the nostalgia. Its getting reptitive. At least the Playstation has gotten a ton of new ip's (Resistance, Motorstorm, LBP, Heavenly Sword, etc.)Panther501

New gameplay with an old character, ie Mario Galaxy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>generic gameplay with a new character, ie Resistance.

says the helpless sheep. I prefer a good story with solid gameplay than a generic story with an overused character that features gameplay that isn't as good as its predessor (SM64).

The helpless sheep with a PS2 and 360? Lol. Resistance was a generic shooter but just cos it's a new ip it's apparently automatically better than the best 3d platformer in many years, perhaps ever.

But not a ps3 so how could you have played resistance. Don't debate things that you have no intelligence of.

My brother owns one ;)

Played Resistance, Motorstorm, Uncharted and MGS4.

[QUOTE="Panther501"]

Sequels continue on a story. Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks.

I don't think I am confused and if you believe that SMG is a sequel to SM64 then give me a solid timeline of events.

SM64 = Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario saves Peach, the end (takes place in mushroom kingdom)

SMG = Bowser kidnaps Peach after the events of SM64, Mario saves Peach again, the end (all takes place in space)

IronBass

You see? Sequel :P

Besides, that statement "Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks." is false. Remakes use the same core game, not only the story.

If you had played Mario Galaxy you would know how different it is from SM64.

I own the WII and SMG / N64 and SM64

And no the game never made any mention of having a before or after.

MGS4 (10) > SMG (9.5)

I can't do this anymore cause I am apparently ticking off the mod for distrupive posting. I advise you do the same.

Panther501

MGS4 is not first party :|

Selfownage.

Folklore, Resistance, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm and SSBB are not first party.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="Panther501"]

Sequels continue on a story. Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks.

I don't think I am confused and if you believe that SMG is a sequel to SM64 then give me a solid timeline of events.

SM64 = Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario saves Peach, the end (takes place in mushroom kingdom)

SMG = Bowser kidnaps Peach after the events of SM64, Mario saves Peach again, the end (all takes place in space)

Panther501

You see? Sequel :P

Besides, that statement "Remakes use the same story with minor tweaks." is false. Remakes use the same core game, not only the story.

If you had played Mario Galaxy you would know how different it is from SM64.

I own the WII and SMG / N64 and SM64

And no the game never made any mention of having a before or after.

Miyamoto did.

[QUOTE="Panther501"]

MGS4 (10) > SMG (9.5)

I can't do this anymore cause I am apparently ticking off the mod for distrupive posting. I advise you do the same.

IronBass

MGS4 is not first party :|

Selfownage.

But its exclusive and thats all that really matters.