Sony have confirmed their "network pass" program.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="kuu2"]

First off retail is just another form of distribution and yes Gamestop is a distributor to the general public for Sony.

That lack of perceived value that you speak of had to do partially with Sony's online state, which was perceived not as good as Msofts.

Msoft will definitely talk about Sony charging used gamers for online for each game. It is in Msofts best interest to.

Sony the publisher and the game company are in separable, Sony can't publish for the PS3 without a PS3 system.

EA and THQ don't do this with all their games only select ones. EA does this with Madden specifically since there is no competition but their NBA franchise has taken a beating due to their player pass fiasco.

Personally I don't buy any EA game with the player pass garbage because I think it is totally greed based.

kuu2

The competition as far as game publishing goes, is already ahead of the curve.

Wrong NBA Jam does not have online pass (this is a sports game). Second Crysis 2 doesn't either. Lastly you did not dispute anything I said in my post so what are you getting at? I can't believe you people are fighting for companies to edge out the consumer when it comes to the used game market.

Gamestop is not the only ones that sell used games you know. Craigslist, Ebay, swapmeets, and garage sellers all sell used games.

I edited my post, I'm disputing all this nonsense you're spouting about Sony and Microsoft, and how the end is clearly nigh for the former.

As a video game publisher they're just one of many implementing policies to curtail used sales and incentivised new sales.

This has no impact as a platform holder.

I'm aware that Gamestop aren't the only used game retailer, I'm not sure what relevance that has exactly or why I should care.

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

I can't support this. It's pure greed. Sony, EA, THQ, etc have already been paid for that one copy of the game.

Like I've said before this is like a car manufacturer disabling some part of a car...say a radio when it is being re-sold, then charging a $1000 radio turn on fee. Just because they think the used car market is cutting into the new car market. If you don't pay it you don't have access to the full car.

tormentos

First off Gamestop sucks, and anyone who goes and buys a used game for $5 less than a new game is an idiot. However we are not talking about a used game fee, we are talking about an Online pass / PSN pass fee. A fee that if not paid disables a portion of the product. A fee that more than likely will never see the developer's pocket anyway. More than likely the publisher will keep it citing the cost of upkeep of the servers for the online play.

If publishers really want to take a bite out of the used game market they can price their games better. Selling a game with 6-8 hours of gameplay and broken online for $60 does nothing but encourage used game sales. If there is value in a game new, people will buy it new. If not people will rent it or buy it used. It's simple economics. A $10 fee that ticks off their customers is not going to change that.

So it's like those online passes EA does sometimes?

I hate those. >.>

I see no issue here, I can't stand game stores like EB and GameStop that sells used copies of games for $5 less than brand new copies, it's absolutely ridiculous. The way I see it is this just leads to more profits to the developers, the people who are actually making the games, which helps to solidify sequels, new ips, etc.

If publishers really want to take a bite out of the used game market they can price their games better.

coasterguy65

I think you're on to something :P .

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

I don't see why we antagonize those who trade games in the first place. Pirates are pirates; people who are unwilling to pay for products. People who trade games are those who are willing to pay. When it comes to old games, it's a little hard to buy new but these same people are those who are willing to buy a game day one if they like what they see or like what was done in a previous game should it happen to be a sequel.

PBSnipes

Furthermore, one has to consider why games are being traded-in in the first place. Maybe it's just me, but the games I do trade in at Gamestop aren't quite what I'd call masterpieces: if developers/publishers have a problem with used sales, perhaps they should focus on making games people want to keep? The fact people would take whatever paltry sum GS is offering for a game over just keeping their copy speaks volumes.

I agree whole heartedly with this I would never dream of trading certain games, Don't make crap games and we won't resell them and dont rip us off by making a 8 hour game then selling it for $60

We will see how well it works for you when the online community for the game you bought dies a year after it is released. Used games contribute to the long term success of an online game on a console. Sony is just experimenting with this until next gen when they start charging for their online multiplayer.

kuu2

First Capcom, and now Sony. I don't like where this is going. Companies trying to profit by further screwing their customers. themyth01

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well that's a buyer they lost then.blue_hazy_basic

This is what people don't get. Used game buyers aren't their customers, so what do they have to lose by instituting the passes?

They have a lot to gain, and anyone not buying the game because of it wouldn't be buying new anyway.

in my eyes sony got the best onlines games, so ima pay for their online network pass for whatever they want to charge me. also in my eyes sony got the best single player games so people who dont want to pay sony online pass they still have bunches of awesome single player sony games gyeah

This is the only industry who could make BS like this looks good and nobody can do anything about it.

I hate this new policy in games. Not all of us buy our games used. My brother and I share a console and games as there's no point in buying multiple copies for one system. I wasn't interested in Resistance 3 anyway but I hope developers stop with this crap. I had to put up with Bad Company 2 and having no VIP Pass because it was registered to my brother. I'm getting penalized because publishers want even more money as if they don't get enough from selling overpriced DLC.erdny

This is the only industry who could make BS like this looks good and nobody can do anything about it.

HAZE-Unit

Ok I haven't read anything yet but...

What the hell is a network pass?

Isn't that the crap people who choose used over new games have to use in order to play online? I don't see the problem here.

Ok I haven't read anything yet but...

What the hell is a network pass?

Isn't that the crap people who choose used over new games have to use in order to play online? I don't see the problem here.

ChubbyGuy40

Yeah that's exactly what it is.

All those people who said " i won't support this and that", wait till activions starts doing on-line pass.

as long as i get to enjoy my single player campaign, then i don't carenarutosup

First Capcom, and now Sony. I don't like where this is going. Companies trying to profit by further screwing their customers. themyth01

Thats what we get when idiots buy used games from Gamestop just because they think they can save $5.

Kashiwaba

I agree whole heartedly with this I would never dream of trading certain games, Don't make crap games and we won't resell them and dont rip us off by making a 8 hour game then selling it for $60musalala

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Thats what we get when idiots buy used games from Gamestop just because they think they can save $5.

TheEroica

When I buy a used game I can sometimes get a deal, like buy 2 get one free or buy one get the second half price, so I can save a lot of money. If the games companies are this antsy then they should go full digital.

I think , I'll sell those passes for games I don't play online ... :)

All those people who said " i won't support this and that", wait till activions starts doing on-line pass.

DISSESHOWEDO

They won't, their games sells 20M there is basically no effect.

Another person who confuses the consumer with Gamestop. Used games are not just sold by faceless corporations there are many more people that sell used games besides Gamestop. Also BFBC is the exception not the rule and their online community is small compared to COD, and Halo. In the end the consumer will win out and and this is a trial by Sony not something they will necessarily keep. Sony is more than likely stemming the tide till they launch a pay service to go up against Msoft. No one has answered my question of why this is good for the gamer? Why was this not announced at E3 if it is good? Who does this ultimately help other than Sony? If this is good why isn't Sony bragging about it?kuu2

Thats what we get when idiots buy used games from Gamestop just because they think they can save $5.

Kashiwaba

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] how is this stupid? i rather pay 55 bucks then 60, it ain't alot but when you take into account also tax it still makes sense for me to go for the cheap option. if game devs want me to buy their games new, give me a great game that has replay value, not a 6 hour adventure and then thats it. Yakuza 4 is a great example of something i would buy full price because the game is chock full of content. So i don't think its stupid when someone is trying to save a couple of bucks, sorry we're not all loaded with cash like you are.

InfinityMugen

Well that's a buyer they lost then.kuraimen

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Thats what we get when idiots buy used games from Gamestop just because they think they can save $5.

TheEroica

They won't, their games sells 20M there is basically no effect.HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="kuu2"]Another person who confuses the consumer with Gamestop. Used games are not just sold by faceless corporations there are many more people that sell used games besides Gamestop. Also BFBC is the exception not the rule and their online community is small compared to COD, and Halo. In the end the consumer will win out and and this is a trial by Sony not something they will necessarily keep. Sony is more than likely stemming the tide till they launch a pay service to go up against Msoft. No one has answered my question of why this is good for the gamer? Why was this not announced at E3 if it is good? Who does this ultimately help other than Sony? If this is good why isn't Sony bragging about it?tormentos

[QUOTE="DISSESHOWEDO"]

All those people who said " i won't support this and that", wait till activions starts doing on-line pass.

HAZE-Unit

They won't, their games sells 20M there is basically no effect.

Wait for it to be cheaper and get it new...easy as that really this isn't against the consumer, it is against GamestopGiancar

well. looks like ill just have to start importing all my games now.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]With how much hostility this forum gets agianst pirate, you would think SW would understand why this is the current trend.. Used game industry takes a huge chunk of profits and its actually FAR more measurable than anythign coming close to piracy. Especially when places like Gamestop are literally only selling used versions of the game for $5 cheaper often times than the new one.PurpleMan5000

In what way? With piracy, only one (sometimes none) copy of a game is purchased and then distributed thousands of times. With used games, each game is purchased. The impact on the industry by used games is negligible at best.

Are you kidding me? :| Some of these games go through half a dozen owners.. AND WE CAN ACTUALLY keep TRACK OF THEM.. At best the game is bought once and another perosn buys it used.. Thatsa 50% hit to their profits for a single copy based on this.. And yet agian unlike piracy, its not some phantom numberthat people pull out of their ass.. This is easily trackable and is a multi billion dollar industry..

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]With how much hostility this forum gets agianst pirate, you would think SW would understand why this is the current trend.. Used game industry takes a huge chunk of profits and its actually FAR more measurable than anythign coming close to piracy. Especially when places like Gamestop are literally only selling used versions of the game for $5 cheaper often times than the new one.sSubZerOo

In what way? With piracy, only one (sometimes none) copy of a game is purchased and then distributed thousands of times. With used games, each game is purchased. The impact on the industry by used games is negligible at best.

Are you kidding me? :| Some of these games go through half a dozen owners.. AND WE CAN ACTUALLY keep TRACK OF THEM.. At best the game is bought once and another perosn buys it used.. Thatsa 50% hit to their profits for a single copy based on this.. And yet agian unlike piracy, its not some phantom numberthat people pull out of their ass.. This is easily trackable and is a multi billion dollar industry..

Are you kidding me? :| Some of these games go through half a dozen owners.. AND WE CAN ACTUALLY keep TRACK OF THEM.. At best the game is bought once and another perosn buys it used.. Thatsa 50% hit to their profits for a single copy based on this.. And yet agian unlike piracy, its not some phantom numberthat people pull out of their ass.. This is easily trackable and is a multi billion dollar industry..sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Are you kidding me? :| Some of these games go through half a dozen owners.. AND WE CAN ACTUALLY keep TRACK OF THEM.. At best the game is bought once and another perosn buys it used.. Thatsa 50% hit to their profits for a single copy based on this.. And yet agian unlike piracy, its not some phantom numberthat people pull out of their ass.. This is easily trackable and is a multi billion dollar industry..tormentos

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"]

In what way? With piracy, only one (sometimes none) copy of a game is purchased and then distributed thousands of times. With used games, each game is purchased. The impact on the industry by used games is negligible at best.

PurpleMan5000

Are you kidding me? :| Some of these games go through half a dozen owners.. AND WE CAN ACTUALLY keep TRACK OF THEM.. At best the game is bought once and another perosn buys it used.. Thatsa 50% hit to their profits for a single copy based on this.. And yet agian unlike piracy, its not some phantom numberthat people pull out of their ass.. This is easily trackable and is a multi billion dollar industry..

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Are you kidding me? :| Some of these games go through half a dozen owners.. AND WE CAN ACTUALLY keep TRACK OF THEM.. At best the game is bought once and another perosn buys it used.. Thatsa 50% hit to their profits for a single copy based on this.. And yet agian unlike piracy, its not some phantom numberthat people pull out of their ass.. This is easily trackable and is a multi billion dollar industry..

tormentos

How do you expect the store to stay open if they don't charge more for used games than they are willing to pay you?