Sony is dead last. But thinks they are industry King

Regarding Nintendo

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-benefiting-from-wii-publisher-backlash/

"What publishers have said is they're not going to spend the resources on Wii... In my job, we compete against Microsoft and Nintendo, and we're competing for resources. So when I walk into a publisher, I ask, 'Where are you guys pushing your resources?' In the past, it was 'Look how hot the Wii is,' or 'Look how hot the DS is,' and 'We should put resources there.' They did that and realized, 'You know what, third-party product just doesn't sell on that platform.' So now they're taking those resources, coming back to us and saying, 'Sony we're going to be able to provide you with that exclusive content,' or 'We're going to put more engineers on it and figure out to maximize the Blu-ray and get more out of PS3.' That's what we're seeing now," he stated.

Dyer continued, "And I don't even have to fight for their hearts and minds; I just show them the TRST data with regards to how many top 10 titles are third-party titles on the Wii, or how many top 10 titles are third-party titles on the DS. Not many. It's not a hard story to sell, and they get that. Unless they've got a particular franchise that's worked well on the Wii, you don't see a lot of innovative new IP coming out on that platform."

Quite frankly, we feel this is a real problem for Nintendo. Even if what Dyer is saying is viewed as more "Sony PR," that doesn't eliminate the fact that third parties are still experiencing difficulties on Wii after four full holiday seasons on the market. Nintendo should be working on its own publisher relations, and we'd love to hear from them on this subject, but so far Nintendo has been quite resistant to inquiries from IndustryGamers. It's like the company is an ostrich with its head stuck in a hole in the ground - get out there and be pro-active Nintendo!

Regarding MS

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ps3-better-serves-publishers-than-360-says-sony/1/

"I've been on the road literally non-stop since the beginning of the year with every top 15 publisher, and there's been nary a word of discouragement. Having been in Japan, and here with EA and Activision and Ubisoft, and everyone else, it's good to walk in there right now versus, say a year ago when it wasn't so easy [to win support]. The $299 price point has resonated and it has a huge impact when you're sold out in so many locations, but the better news is that it's translating into software sales.When I walk into an EA, they're telling me that for Madden, the one platform they're seeing year-on-year growth is the PS3, or when I walk into Activision and they tell me the same thing for Guitar Hero. Those are big statements, given what has transpired with those franchises," he began.

For Dyer, the game sales of PS3 software SKUs have been impressive considering the difference in installed bases between Xbox 360 and PS3. Ultimately, he says the statistics show that PS3 is now a better performer for publishers.

"They had a year's head start against us, so we've been playing catch-up ball. Before the price cut, they had a two-to-one advantage; if you were a third-party publisher looking at the index, you should have been selling twice the number of units on the 360 as you would on the PS3. So what we did when following a particular title was see if we over or under-indexed against that. So anything below 2, we over-indexed, meaning we did better, and above 2 meant it was under-indexing. What it shows you is that as our installed base has been growing, we're now down to a 1.6 to 1.0, and what we've been finding is that outside of the shooter category we literally over-index every single category – sports, fighting, action/adventure, music, etc. We do better for our publishing community than 360 does," Dyer stated. "As our installed base starts catching up and gaining on 360, you're going to see the publisher side much quicker get to par than even if we had the same number of [360 hardware] units. So for instance, with a title like Madden, I think the index was 1.4 to 1.0, which meant we way oversold on PS3 versus 360, given the installed base. That's only going to get better and better as the installed base continues to grow."

In Short Sony is dead last. Yet they are still arrogant as ever. In the PSone PStwo days they were allowed to be arrogant. But now they are dead last and still think they are top dog.. LOL

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

urdead18

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

urdead18

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

urdead18

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

KaoSXFACTOR

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

joel_c17

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]Must be fun to work in sony's PR division [QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

urdead18

You cared enough to reply to someone who is clearly talking about sales....with hardware numbers.

Make up your mind

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

joel_c17

it still got outsold by enter the matrix on the PS2. and for the gaming industry that was the more important title

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="joel_c17"] OwnedSollet

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

KaoSXFACTOR

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

Coming into this gen SONY was on top. There are 2 things that changed that. Launch price and 1 year after MS launch. I dont know how much $$ Sony is losing BUT I do know I have read tons of threads about MS losing $$$ with all the supposed "repairs" and replacements they have done. With the horrible hardwear issues this gen "other than NIN" everyone is losing money, including the consumers.

Cows are working in the what if now, the maybe.

Im going to continue to work in the what is.

FACT: the ps3 is in 2nd-3rd behind the 360 in all most every single area.

what if's and maybe's dont change this.

How about GS's opinion? Sollet

Counts as much as anyone else's.

Really, why do people talk about games to prove anything besides personal preference?

Its all very sujective, why bother?

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

urdead18

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="delta3074"]how did he get owned? they have released the best games in the last 2 years is opinion, not fact, 360 exclusives have scored just as high, and they are in dead last, last place is last place, 5 million behind is still 5 million BEHIND, the 360 has games that have scored just as high a s KZ2 and UC 2 in the last year alone, Halo ODST 9.0 = KZ2 9.0, forza 3 9.5=UC2 9.5, so you just owned yourself really, do yourself a favour, don't try to claim ownage on somebody elses OPINIONfarnham

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="joel_c17"] OwnedSollet

Wow Sony sounds just like their fanboys, pretty sad coming from a major corporation. :?

PR talk = fanboy bible they believe every word like a die hard Christian and in the same way cause you dont believe their ways/words your going to hell :o

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Sollet"] Is this gen over?Sollet

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Sollet"] How about GS's opinion? PS3 gets goty 2 years in a row? Sollet

Yah keep the dream alive, cows will be saying this until the day before the new console launches, then what will they say. Uh the gen is not over until sony says LOL.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="delta3074"]how did he get owned? they have released the best games in the last 2 years is opinion, not fact, 360 exclusives have scored just as high, and they are in dead last, last place is last place, 5 million behind is still 5 million BEHIND, the 360 has games that have scored just as high a s KZ2 and UC 2 in the last year alone, Halo ODST 9.0 = KZ2 9.0, forza 3 9.5=UC2 9.5, so you just owned yourself really, do yourself a favour, don't try to claim ownage on somebody elses OPINIONdelta3074

PR talk = fanboy bible they believe every word like a die hard Christian and in the same way cause you dont believe their ways/words your going to hell :o

razgriz_101

It's just PR. Every company does it. It would be a very poor business move for them to just lie back and accept defeat.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="farnham"] Gamecube got 2 GOTYs in a row.. does that make Gamecube the winner of last gen..?Ultra_Combo

Yah keep the dream alive, cows will be saying this until the day before the new console launches, then what will they say. Uh the gen is not over until sony says LOL.

The Sony propaganda machine can never cease, for the day it does is the day Sony dies.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

PR talk = fanboy bible they believe every word like a die hard Christian and in the same way cause you dont believe their ways/words your going to hell :o

delta3074

xD its true tho its like your some no beleiver when you point out something its like eh??? what you talkin bout fool?!

i'll be sitting with a nice beer in hell least its warm there :P

Wow Sony sounds just like their fanboys, pretty sad coming from a major corporation. :?

Ultra_Combo

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Sollet"] Is this gen over?Sollet

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Sollet"] How about GS's opinion? PS3 gets goty 2 years in a row? Sollet

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="farnham"] so you are claiming that the PS3 will win this gen..? they will end up dead last or maybe crawl up to second place.. no matter which scenario they will get outsold by the wii by a shi tload and i dont need to mention the DSfarnham

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"] Is this gen over?Sollet

Yah keep the dream alive, cows will be saying this until the day before the new console launches, then what will they say. Uh the gen is not over until sony says LOL.

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Sollet"] We can talk when this gen is over. I didn't say lol PS3 will outsell teh wii, however I am positive they have a shot on 2nd place.Sollet

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="farnham"] so what 2nd place is nothing to gush over like that guy did.. especially when 2nd place means that you got outsold 1 to 2 by the leaderfarnham

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

joel_c17

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Sollet"] Well maybe you should've quoted him and not me :PSollet

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="farnham"]its a thread about this guy not youfarnham

I am sure that Miyamoto will mention your devotion in his upcomming Zelda game :roll:

It's just an opinion, can't handle it? Too bad for you.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="delta3074"]how did he get owned? they have released the best games in the last 2 years is opinion, not fact, 360 exclusives have scored just as high, and they are in dead last, last place is last place, 5 million behind is still 5 million BEHIND, the 360 has games that have scored just as high a s KZ2 and UC 2 in the last year alone, Halo ODST 9.0 = KZ2 9.0, forza 3 9.5=UC2 9.5, so you just owned yourself really, do yourself a favour, don't try to claim ownage on somebody elses OPINIONdelta3074

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

urdead18

It really doesn't matter if they are 6 million behind or 1 unit behind. They are still dead last.

And I know cows try to spin that dead last is the new first place, but it isn't.

It's last.

What about Greenberg and Major Nelson's arrogrant attitudes for MS? Why are people so mum about MS attitudes but lash out at Sony's the first chance they get.

Publishers complained about how their 3rd party games dont sell on the Wii long before Sony made this comment. This is why you dont see games like AC 2, Batman, GTA, and many more on the Wii. The Wii does sell the most hardware and software thanks to Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario,and many other casual games such as Carnival Games or Wii Play.

IMO the Gamecube/N64 were much better than the Wii gaming wise. I could care less about sales because I dont get nothing out of it. If the Wii is selling this much then how the heck does Sony the one in last place manages to get more 3rd party support and the games of 3rd parties sell better on it despite a lower userbase?

I could care less about how much money Sony is losing on the PS3 or that it is in last place as long as they supply great games ranging from Infamous to LBP to UC2 to MGS4 to Heavy Rain to GoW 3 and 3rd parties are even icing on the cake with Just Cause 2, Batman 2, FF 13, and many more.

On the other hand the Wii is selling huge with the lowest quality software that I have no interest in. If the Wii was more like the Cube/64 and selling terrible but has incredible games behind it I would have one.

The 18 dollars Sony loses on a PS3 is made up by people buying a single game, accessory, or perhaps even a BluRay film. What will the haters say when they finally start to make a profit on it?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Sollet"] How about GS's opinion? PS3 gets goty 2 years in a row? furomaster_99