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#51 Pices
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[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

Honestly, I stopped paying attention to the Wii a long time ago. It's opened up an entirely new market and hasn't had an AAAE in how long? Over a year or something?

But the Wii makes it up with its big amount of AA games
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#52 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

Pices

Honestly, I stopped paying attention to the Wii a long time ago. It's opened up an entirely new market and hasn't had an AAAE in how long? Over a year or something?

But the Wii makes it up with its big amount of AA games

This is System Wars. In system wars an 8.9 is the same as a 1.0

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#53 delta3074
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What about Greenberg and Major Nelson's arrogrant attitudes for MS? Why are people so mum about MS attitudes but lash out at Sony's the first chance they get.

Publishers complained about how their 3rd party games dont sell on the Wii long before Sony made this comment. This is why you dont see games like AC 2, Batman, GTA, and many more on the Wii. The Wii does sell the most hardware and software thanks to Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario,and many other casual games such as Carnival Games or Wii Play.

IMO the Gamecube/N64 were much better than the Wii gaming wise. I could care less about sales because I dont get nothing out of it. If the Wii is selling this much then how the heck does Sony the one in last place manages to get more 3rd party support and the games of 3rd parties sell better on it despite a lower userbase?

I could care less about how much money Sony is losing on the PS3 or that it is in last place as long as they supply great games ranging from Infamous to LBP to UC2 to MGS4 to Heavy Rain to GoW 3 and 3rd parties are even icing on the cake with Just Cause 2, Batman 2, FF 13, and many more.

On the other hand the Wii is selling huge with the lowest quality software that I have no interest in. If the Wii was more like the Cube/64 and selling terrible but has incredible games behind it I would have one.

The 18 dollars Sony loses on a PS3 is made up by people buying a single game, accessory, or perhaps even a BluRay film. What will the haters say when they finally start to make a profit on it?

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i don't pay attention to those two guys either, BUT MS are not in last place pretending to still be in first place are they, MS are also arrogant, but SONY take arrogance to an entirely greater level,lol, it amazes me that people are so taken in by the PR BS, i could facepalm both company's execs for the stupid things they come out with all the time, especially one comment from MS about making games that would destroy Ps3 exclusives in the graphics department, don't get me wrong, i prefer the 360, but thats because of the library, the Ps3 definitly has a slight edge in the graphics dept
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#54 Parasomniac
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They're first place in good exclusives.

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#55 Cerberus_Legion
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This reminds me of Sony's "The next generation doesn't begin until we say it does," or something along those lines. Good time, good times. :lol:

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#56 Pixel-Pirate
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They're first place in good exclusives.

Parasomniac

Thats opinion based.

In gaming theres really only one true first place and thats sales. Yes we don't "play sales numbers" but just because a game is loved by one person doesn't mean another will enjoy it.

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#57 iKINGBOBi
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[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="farnham"] so you are claiming that the PS3 will win this gen..? they will end up dead last or maybe crawl up to second place.. no matter which scenario they will get outsold by the wii by a shi tload and i dont need to mention the DSdelta3074
We can talk when this gen is over. I didn't say lol PS3 will outsell teh wii, however I am positive they have a shot on 2nd place.

not impossible, but highly improbable, it's taken them 4 years to cut the gap by 2.8 million, 5.2 million to go

Um PS3 just became price competitive as of Sep '09, nice try though

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#58 furomaster_99
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]and they both deserved it, but you used the right word OPINION the ps3 is in last place in hardware sales= FACT the ps3 has had the best games for the last 2 years =OPINION quality is subjective, sales numbers are factualdelta3074

Ps3 gained 3 million WW on the 360 last year alone=FACT. Ps3 has had GOTY for two years in a row=FACT. Wow. Facts are fun. ;)

so the gamecube won last gen then? that got 2 GOTY's 2 years in a row, and so what if they gained 3 million, the gap is still 5 million so the PS3 is still in last place=FACT, try and spin it anyway you like, last place is last place

And this gen is over already? I'm sure lems would like it to be:P. 3rd place and gaining ground =/= 2nd place and losing ground. I'm sure all of the MS executives would care less how the 360 is currently selling WW as long as the total lifetime sales are higher:roll:.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Sollet"] We can talk when this gen is over. I didn't say lol PS3 will outsell teh wii, however I am positive they have a shot on 2nd place.iKINGBOBi

not impossible, but highly improbable, it's taken them 4 years to cut the gap by 2.8 million, 5.2 million to go

Um PS3 just became price competitive as of Sep '09, nice try though

and yet despite that was outsold november '09 and january '10 nice try though.
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#60 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Sollet"] We can talk when this gen is over. I didn't say lol PS3 will outsell teh wii, however I am positive they have a shot on 2nd place.iKINGBOBi

not impossible, but highly improbable, it's taken them 4 years to cut the gap by 2.8 million, 5.2 million to go

Um PS3 just became price competitive as of Sep '09, nice try though

not here in blighty it didn't, i can still get an elite 60- 70 quid cheaper than the cheapest Ps3 sku,lol, and i said not impossible, so i wasn't even trying to say the Ps3 would never catch up to the 360, it is unlikely though, reading comprehension FTW
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#61 furomaster_99
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[QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]not impossible, but highly improbable, it's taken them 4 years to cut the gap by 2.8 million, 5.2 million to gosonny2dap

Um PS3 just became price competitive as of Sep '09, nice try though

and yet despite that was outsold november '09 and january '10 nice try though.

And only in USA.....Nice try to make it appear to be WW though.:D

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#62 sonny2dap
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"][QUOTE="iKINGBOBi"]

Um PS3 just became price competitive as of Sep '09, nice try though

and yet despite that was outsold november '09 and january '10 nice try though.

And only in USA.....Nice try to make it appear to be WW though.:D

Yeh my bad I should of clarified only in the biggest gaming market in the world.
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#63 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

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owned by one persons opinion of "best"? his opinion ranks up there with super rub-a-dub with me
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#64 PAL360
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What is saving Sony this gen is their incredible hype machine!!! Nice job :roll:

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#65 shinrabanshou
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I was wondering how long it would take before more of Dyer's stupid PR baiting would end up on here. Not long I guess.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

KaoSXFACTOR

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

The Wii doesn't prove that launching first and building an install base lead isn't an inherent advantage towards having a larger lifetime install base. It just shows that sometimes a headstart isn't enough. The headstart so far, has been enough to keep Microsoft in second place, for the here and now at least.

Comparisons to the PS2 don't fit. The PS2 didn't just build a headstart prior to launch, it continued to grow that lead year on year until it was basically an unstoppable market force. Microsoft hasn't been able to do the same, to the Wii, nor after the price cuts the PS3.

It really doesn't matter if they are 6 million behind or 1 unit behind. They are still dead last.

Pixel-Pirate

That's a pretty dumb assertion, unless you really thing that a 4.3% and 0.0000007% marketshare difference are equal in significance.

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#66 shinrabanshou
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Also setting aside the fact that it's said in the language of marketing PR douchery, and has subsequent provoked incensed outrage from all quarters that a Sony employee dare say something negative about the Wii, or dare "tell Microsoft how to run it's business," several of the things that Dyer have said are actually perfectly sensible and/or factual.

Publishers aren't seeing the returns they expected and wanted from the Wii and are disengaging from it.

Sony does have a strong first-party development portfolio.

Microsoft should devote more resources to their first-parties, as this would be better overall for gamers, imo.

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#67 swamplord666
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Dead last means they are dreamcast numbers... which isn't the case.

PS3 will remain 3rd throughout this generation. But it doesn't mean they're out of the race! They're still pumping out games which is all I need. Got heavy rain and GOW3 just this and next month.

Also what do you expect a multinational company to say? We know we're not doing as well as the competitors but we will try our best? Regardless of the company, if they want to sell consoles and games, they will say that their console is the best on the market! Otherwise you're basically saying that you've given up and investors will run away like rats on a sinking ship.

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#68 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

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#69 swamplord666
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"] and yet despite that was outsold november '09 and january '10 nice try though.sonny2dap

And only in USA.....Nice try to make it appear to be WW though.:D

Yeh my bad I should of clarified only in the biggest gaming market in the world.

Link? because as far as i remember Japan was a massive one and Europe is on par with the US

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[QUOTE="sonny2dap"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]And only in USA.....Nice try to make it appear to be WW though.:D

swamplord666

Yeh my bad I should of clarified only in the biggest gaming market in the world.

Link? because as far as i remember Japan was a massive one and Europe is on par with the US

Off the top of my head I recall, the US makes up about 40%, Japan about 10% and everywhere else the remaining 50%. Unified the European market does probably match the US market though.

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They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

ZIMdoom

Correction: 3 generations.

"As of October 2, 2008, Nintendo has sold over 470 million hardware units and 2.7 billion software units"

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#72 delta3074
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I was wondering how long it would take before more of Dyer's stupid PR baiting would end up on here. Not long I guess.

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

shinrabanshou

The Wii doesn't prove that launching first and building an install base lead isn't an inherent advantage towards having a larger lifetime install base. It just shows that sometimes a headstart isn't enough. The headstart so far, has been enough to keep Microsoft in second place, for the here and now at least.

Comparisons to the PS2 don't fit. The PS2 didn't just build a headstart prior to launch, it continued to grow that lead year on year until it was basically an unstoppable market force. Microsoft hasn't been able to do the same, to the Wii, nor after the price cuts the PS3.

It really doesn't matter if they are 6 million behind or 1 unit behind. They are still dead last.

Pixel-Pirate

That's a pretty dumb assertion, unless you really thing that a 4.3% and 0.0000007% marketshare difference are equal in significance.

so being last in hardware sales meaning they are in last place is a dumb assertion? buddy, last is last, the Ps3 is LAST in hardware sales, therefore it is in LAST place, significance has nothing to do with it, and there is no margin of error 0.99 is still less than 1, you can't say they are not in last place because they are only a small number behind, that's just plain stupid
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#73 delta3074
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[QUOTE="sonny2dap"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]And only in USA.....Nice try to make it appear to be WW though.:D

swamplord666

Yeh my bad I should of clarified only in the biggest gaming market in the world.

Link? because as far as i remember Japan was a massive one and Europe is on par with the US

complete BS, US is number 1 market, the UK is the second largest gaming region in the world, both are MS strongholds http://www.joystiq.com/2009/02/10/uk-game-industry-beats-japan-takes-second-place/
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#74 delta3074
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They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

ZIMdoom
you know nintendo where making consoles 2 generations before SONY even thought about it,lol
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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

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Sony and MS are business, having critically acclaimed games may give your business a good rep with consumers but in the end it's SALES that matter, and MS has better SALES on all fronts. hardly owned.
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First... last... who cares? We aren't shareholders here, people. Let's just be glad the install base warrants a steady flow of games.
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#77 Pixel-Pirate
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I was wondering how long it would take before more of Dyer's stupid PR baiting would end up on here. Not long I guess.

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Yeah... Too bad the Wii cancels this excuse.... :roll:

I guess the only reason the PS2 won is because it was released a couple of years before the Xbox and Gamecube right? Give me a break.

shinrabanshou

The Wii doesn't prove that launching first and building an install base lead isn't an inherent advantage towards having a larger lifetime install base. It just shows that sometimes a headstart isn't enough. The headstart so far, has been enough to keep Microsoft in second place, for the here and now at least.

Comparisons to the PS2 don't fit. The PS2 didn't just build a headstart prior to launch, it continued to grow that lead year on year until it was basically an unstoppable market force. Microsoft hasn't been able to do the same, to the Wii, nor after the price cuts the PS3.

It really doesn't matter if they are 6 million behind or 1 unit behind. They are still dead last.

Pixel-Pirate

That's a pretty dumb assertion, unless you really thing that a 4.3% and 0.0000007% marketshare difference are equal in significance.

In terms of determing where they stand and how well they are doing, yes, it really is the same. In a race if you finish in last but only got beaten by a nose, it's still last place. You do not get some consolation prize or honorary second place or what have you. It's still last place.

Plus my comment was responding to someone spining that because they are only 6 million units behind they arn't really in last.

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#78 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It really doesn't matter if they are 6 million behind or 1 unit behind. They are still dead last.

delta3074

That's a pretty dumb assertion, unless you really thing that a 4.3% and 0.0000007% marketshare difference are equal in significance.

so being last in hardware sales meaning they are in last place is a dumb assertion? buddy, last is last, the Ps3 is LAST in hardware sales, therefore it is in LAST place, significance has nothing to do with it, and there is no margin of error 0.99 is still less than 1, you can't say they are not in last place because they are only a small number behind, that's just plain stupid

Notice I bolded a certain part of what I quoted.

Saying it's last isn't a dumb assertion. It is factually last. Saying it doesn't matter at all how much something loses by is a dumb assertion, though, since there are degrees of loss and varying implications that derive from them. A Dreamcast buries a company.

If the PS2, GC and XBOX had sold respectively 140 million, 139.99 million and 139.98 million, it would be a completely different situation in the grand scheme compared to what really happened with the sixth gen consoles.

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ps3 got GOTY 2 times in a row = FACT

ps3 is in the Last Place = FACT

ps3 still losing money for the hardware they sell = FACT

ps3 outselliing xbox360 in December = FACT but still in the last place = FACT

yes FACT is fun

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#80 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]That's a pretty dumb assertion, unless you really thing that a 4.3% and 0.0000007% marketshare difference are equal in significance.

shinrabanshou

so being last in hardware sales meaning they are in last place is a dumb assertion? buddy, last is last, the Ps3 is LAST in hardware sales, therefore it is in LAST place, significance has nothing to do with it, and there is no margin of error 0.99 is still less than 1, you can't say they are not in last place because they are only a small number behind, that's just plain stupid

Notice I bolded a certain part of what I quoted.

Saying it's last isn't a dumb assertion. It is factually last. Saying it doesn't matter at all how much something loses by is a dumb assertion, though, since there are degrees of loss and varying implications that derive from them. A Dreamcast buries a company.

If the PS2, GC and XBOX had sold respectively 140 million, 139.99 million and 139.98 million, it would be a completely different situation in the grand scheme compared to what really happened with the sixth gen consoles.

But in judging which place something came in, it doesn't matter if the Xbox sold 139.98 million and the PS2 sold 139.99 million. The xbox still loses, there is no special "almost second/first place!" title. Obviously when it comes to sales to the company there is a difference. But when arguing what place something is in, like the person I was responding to, it doesn't matter if something is "just a little behind". It is behind.

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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

joel_c17

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Halo Reach will Probly sell more then

God of War 3

Heavy Rain

Uncharted2

Killzone2

Sells Combine so who got Owned

and in case you mention Nintendo wiiSports that sells because it comes whit the Consol like all PS3 fans do when we mention halo

by the way Halo3 probly alredy sold more then all of thos combine we have to wait and see ANDON A LAST NOTE BOTH PS3 and 360 HAVE GOOD GAMES I LIKE EM BOTH I JUST SAY THIS TO RUTURN THE FAVOR

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#82 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]That's a pretty dumb assertion, unless you really thing that a 4.3% and 0.0000007% marketshare difference are equal in significance.

shinrabanshou

so being last in hardware sales meaning they are in last place is a dumb assertion? buddy, last is last, the Ps3 is LAST in hardware sales, therefore it is in LAST place, significance has nothing to do with it, and there is no margin of error 0.99 is still less than 1, you can't say they are not in last place because they are only a small number behind, that's just plain stupid

Notice I bolded a certain part of what I quoted.

Saying it's last isn't a dumb assertion. It is factually last. Saying it doesn't matter at all how much something loses by is a dumb assertion, though, since there are degrees of loss and varying implications that derive from them. A Dreamcast buries a company.

it really doesn't matter how much something or somebody lose's or wins by,not in this dabate anyroad, you either win or you lose, there are no 'degree's' of winning or losing in this dabate, the degrees of loss and varying implications are a different story, and a different debate, this thread is about how SONY are swanning around as if they are still no1 even though they are in last place in hardware sales
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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

Thunderdrone

Correction: 3 generations.

"As of October 2, 2008, Nintendo has sold over 470 million hardware units and 2.7 billion software units"

Well, I wasn't including the Wii or PS3 because clearly things have changed this gen. I meant up until this point. And does that include handhelds?

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#84 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]so being last in hardware sales meaning they are in last place is a dumb assertion? buddy, last is last, the Ps3 is LAST in hardware sales, therefore it is in LAST place, significance has nothing to do with it, and there is no margin of error 0.99 is still less than 1, you can't say they are not in last place because they are only a small number behind, that's just plain stupidPixel-Pirate

Notice I bolded a certain part of what I quoted.

Saying it's last isn't a dumb assertion. It is factually last. Saying it doesn't matter at all how much something loses by is a dumb assertion, though, since there are degrees of loss and varying implications that derive from them. A Dreamcast buries a company.

If the PS2, GC and XBOX had sold respectively 140 million, 139.99 million and 139.98 million, it would be a completely different situation in the grand scheme compared to what really happened with the sixth gen consoles.

But in judging which place something came in, it doesn't matter if the Xbox sold 139.98 million and the PS2 sold 139.99 million. The xbox still loses, there is no special "almost second/first place!" title. Obviously when it comes to sales to the company there is a difference. But when arguing what place something is in, like the person I was responding to, it doesn't matter if something is "just a little behind". It is behind.

I read your comment with broader connotations. But if all your doing is assigning places then sure. Although companies measure in thousands and millions and marketshare, and while I realise you exaggerate with your example (as do I) I don't think anything short of maybe 250,000 units will let people ascribe any real placement considering the generation will probably reach around 250 million consoles and companies will only every be able to give unit shipments as indicative of install bases.

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[QUOTE="joel_c17"][QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

marcos27pr

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Halo Reach will Probly sell more then

God of War 3

Heavy Rain

Uncharted2

Killzone2

Sells Combine so who got Owned

and in case you mention Nintendo wiiSports that sells because it comes whit the Consol like all PS3 fans do when we mention halo

by the way Halo3 probly alredy sold more then all of thos combine we have to wait and see ANDON A LAST NOTE BOTH PS3 and 360 HAVE GOOD GAMES I LIKE EM BOTH I JUST SAY THIS TO RUTURN THE FAVOR

maybe Halo Reach will sell more than Uncharted 2 alone, but if Uncharted 2 combine with God Of War, Heavy Rain & Killzone 2 i doubt Halo Reach will outsell them

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#86 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

delta3074

you know nintendo where making consoles 2 generations before SONY even thought about it,lol

Yes I do and I fail to see your point. My comment stands. The total sales of PS1 and PS2 are greater than all Nintendo and Sega consoles sold combined (before this recent gen).

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#87 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

ZIMdoom

you know nintendo where making consoles 2 generations before SONY even thought about it,lol

Yes I do and I fail to see your point. My comment stands. The total sales of PS1 and PS2 are greater than all Nintendo and Sega consoles sold combined (before this recent gen).

Nintendo has been dominating in handheld consoles for over two decades...

Combined with the GC, N64, NES and the SNES as well as Sega, I don't think the Playstation line even comes close. :\

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#88 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

ZIMdoom

Correction: 3 generations.

"As of October 2, 2008, Nintendo has sold over 470 million hardware units and 2.7 billion software units"

Well, I wasn't including the Wii or PS3 because clearly things have changed this gen. I meant up until this point. And does that include handhelds?

nintendo where producing games consoles 2 generations before SONY, SONY has only been at this 3 generations and we are on the 7th generation of consoles, it's not a blow to SONY if nintendo have sold more hardware, they have bben in the game longer, same as MS have sold more software than SONY has, they started making MS flight simulator in the 70's, they have been publishing games a lot longer than SONY has
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#89 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="joel_c17"][QUOTE="urdead18"]

When you say dead last, you mean 5 or 6 million behind a console that launched over a year ahead of them?

Please, they've released the best games in the past two years and are continuing with Heavy Rain and God of War 3.

marcos27pr

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Halo Reach will Probly sell more then

God of War 3

Heavy Rain

Uncharted2

Killzone2

Sells Combine so who got Owned

and in case you mention Nintendo wiiSports that sells because it comes whit the Consol like all PS3 fans do when we mention halo

by the way Halo3 probly alredy sold more then all of thos combine we have to wait and see ANDON A LAST NOTE BOTH PS3 and 360 HAVE GOOD GAMES I LIKE EM BOTH I JUST SAY THIS TO RUTURN THE FAVOR

Wiiplay, wiifit, mariokart all also sell very very well and do NOT come with the console. Also NSMB Wii.

And I really doubt Halo reach will outsell all those combined. It will undoubtably beat each individually but I doubt it'll outsell all of them combined.

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#90 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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Nintendo has been dominating in handheld consoles for over two decades...

Combined with the GC, N64, NES and the SNES as well as Sega, I don't think the Playstation line even comes close. :\

shinrabanshou

I consider that irrelevant because handhelds don't compete with consoles, and Nintendo has pretty much had a monopoly on the handheld market for ever. I will concede that Nintendo is the handheld king. EASY. But since most people would consider home consoles as the "industry"...Sony is the king.

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#91 farnham
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

They are the industry king. They just aren't the generation king. You don't sell 300 million consoles in two gens and NOT get to be the king. They have sold more consoles than ALL OTHER console makers EVER combined.

ZIMdoom

you know nintendo where making consoles 2 generations before SONY even thought about it,lol

Yes I do and I fail to see your point. My comment stands. The total sales of PS1 and PS2 are greater than all Nintendo and Sega consoles sold combined (before this recent gen).

wth is that before this recent gen thing.. lol
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Lol, Sony PR. Always a good laugh, you gotta love 'em.

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... This isn't a race.. Each one is making enough profit to continue supporting their product....
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#94 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Well, I wasn't including the Wii or PS3 because clearly things have changed this gen. I meant up until this point. And does that include handhelds?

delta3074

nintendo where producing games consoles 2 generations before SONY, SONY has only been at this 3 generations and we are on the 7th generation of consoles, it's not a blow to SONY if nintendo have sold more hardware, they have bben in the game longer, same as MS have sold more software than SONY has, they started making MS flight simulator in the 70's, they have been publishing games a lot longer than SONY has

We are talking about whether or not Sony deserves to "think" they are the industry king. I take that to mean the console industry. Not ALL gaming for all time and all history. Not handhelds. Not PC. Consoles. Isn't that where the idea comes from? Isn't that the basis of the very quotes in the first post that started this thread?

Based on consoles, Sony's PS1 and PS2 have sold almost 300 million world wide. That is more than the NES, SNES, N64, GC, Master System, Genesis, Saturn and DC Combined.

In two gens, Sony single handedly brought videogames into the mainstream and changed the way people view consoles.

So I ask...how does that NOT make them the king? I'm not saying they will forever be the king, as they are currently losing this gen and who know what will happen next gen. But I think their record speaks for themselves.

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#95 farnham
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Nintendo has been dominating in handheld consoles for over two decades...

Combined with the GC, N64, NES and the SNES as well as Sega, I don't think the Playstation line even comes close. :\

ZIMdoom

I consider that irrelevant because handhelds don't compete with consoles, and Nintendo has pretty much had a monopoly on the handheld market for ever. I will concede that Nintendo is the handheld king. EASY. But since most people would consider home consoles as the "industry"...Sony is the king.

have you missed all the claims that nintendo is now dead because sony came in with the PSP... and how is sony the king even in the console market when the PS3 is dead last they were the industry king in the past but now they are clearly not
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... This isn't a race.. Each one is making enough profit to continue supporting their product.... sSubZerOo
No, they aren't. If it weren't Sony/Ms's other ventures they'd both be bankrupt YEARS and YEARS ago.
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#98 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]you know nintendo where making consoles 2 generations before SONY even thought about it,lolfarnham

Yes I do and I fail to see your point. My comment stands. The total sales of PS1 and PS2 are greater than all Nintendo and Sega consoles sold combined (before this recent gen).

wth is that before this recent gen thing.. lol

Well, for one, this gen isn't over yet. Two, since Sega is dead in the console business, Sony's PS brand has EASILY outsold every Nintendo console combined including the Wii.

So if your rebuttal is that Sony can't possibly be the king because their two gens of unprecedented domination don't count because Nintendo's wii has made a fad-like comebak...that is pretty much weak sauce.

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#99 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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PS1 and PS2 shipped about 240 Million combined.. and why are they not kings anymore.. simple because their recent platform flopped..

by your logic Nintendo was industry king back in the N64 days because NES and SNES sold well..

farnham

Yes, I agree that Nintendo was industry king when the N64 came out. By then end of that gen it was clear that Nintendo was damaged and had no easy fix. I would say that it wasn't until the GC was clearly not going to save Nintendo, and the PS2 was crushing, thatNintendo was no longer the king and Sony had taken the crown.

So yes. I stand by that logic. This isn't a single elimination tournament we are talking about where the crown changes hands day-to-day. We are talking about industry domination and Sony is still holding the crown. They are slipping and losing, no doubt, but the way I see it until this gen is clearly over and we see what happens next gen...we can't honestly declare a new "king". Only winners and losers.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]... This isn't a race.. Each one is making enough profit to continue supporting their product.... VideoGameGuy
No, they aren't. If it weren't Sony/Ms's other ventures they'd both be bankrupt YEARS and YEARS ago.

:| Both are given profits for it to the point to give incentive to continue on.. What you are suggesting as there is no benefit for these companies in doing this, and they are doing it for more or less charity..