Sony is done

WOW - What a fanboy.

I admit I had my doubts for a while and I am the first to say that 2007 is Microsofts year and that they have the best lineup of games maybe of any console ever in 2007,

But clearly Sony knows what it is doing. The fact stands that while they haven't sold as many consoles as M$ and Ninty they are selling them at a much higher price point. Even at that much higher price point they are getting decent sales. The 2008 software lineup for Sony was proven to be phenomenal at this E3 and i think it will be hard to beat next year when the PS3 will be hopefully nearer a $300 price point.

The variety of gameplay that you see on the PS3 is starting to show too. I just think that ultimately Sony will win out. The 360 which I love (defects and all) simply appeals to to narrow a band of consumer (HardCore PLayers) and as long as that is the case they will have limited market penetration.

Clearly what the Wii has taught us is that this market is driven by casuals and not the Hardcore. But since the Hardcore purchase so much and the developers are able to make so much on them it is the console that delivers the best balance that usually wins. This E3 showed me that the company to od that once again in Sony.

Don't get the impression I actually believe Sony will pull out. They are too proud of their past accomplishments to do that. My post was to point out that for a gamer who's been around long enough to at least speak properly about an issue (something a number of people in this thread haven't yet achieved), I am extremely disappointed with the severe drop in quality of Sony's console division since the PS2 era. I mean, they have no chance.

Sushbag88

Quality isnt gonna come the first year of its life cycle...oh cmon you wanna tell me the Xbox360 was the greatest thing even in its launch, look im not bashing the 360 or anyhting(i do it enough on the Wii) nor do i want to, but i just simply cannot agree on how you belive Sony is out.

They have put out the most powerful hardware in any console, and you cant deny that the lack of initial quiality in its first year (as same with the 360 and its predesessor). Developers had also admitted some of the reason they hadnt come up with gr8 games fro the PS3 because its still young and they havent adapted and optimized it much for there use. Simply put its a hard console to develop on, but the possiblities of the amount of quality that would be bought about as time goes by can only be seen as things are now, with MGS4, KZ2, and other games being released showing, what the PS3 can really do and I belive even more once developers get adapted to it. The same thing happend to Xbox when it hit shelves, the games were really not that good. But with given time I think both consoles can thrive well.

I just urge you to be more open minded, and patient..

Im sorry but this guy loves to exagerate a bit with like the amount of exclusives and such, and this whole thing with a price cut...of course it is, and can u blame ethem for having the newer 80GB coming out, 20GB+ and the game motor storm, 60+ , for the same amout of moeny it cost to buy a 60 GB without any off that stuff for the $600 price tag.

Also, you tend todeviate from the topic talking about how the 360 has something, but what itonly has is a couple of exclusives that seem good for 2007....what about 2008...nothing much happening there.

Sony has an expectencey life span of 10 yrs for the console, and as such, is slowly getting better and better in my opinion. But i just dont agree with you they are done, im sorry. Oh and thank the Lord you werent what i thought when you started talking about the Wii, for s second there i thought you favored it overed the PS3.

The_Kills

the duck is uber cute. :oops:

The Xbox brand is pretty much dead outside the U.S. Their killer app is no longer exclusive in less than a year after its release and 11 million consoles sold are time bombs.

Yeah, the Xbox has a brighter future than Sony :roll:

[QUOTE="jessie5788"]

whats wrong with using amazon as proof as sells there are selling out online and at stores. I suggest you walk into one of the millions of stores and see if a ps3 is left before you make comments because they are selling out.

Sushbag88

Excuse me, are you kidding me? EVERY retail store I have been in which sells video game consoles has these dusty PS3 boxes just lined up. They'd love for you to buy one, but they know few will. The PS3 is sold out precisely nowhere. Like, PS3's are so common it's pretty funny to walk by them w/ your friends and remark, "Lol hey theres some PS3's. Wonder why no one's bought one."

Uh, you should wake up from your dreamland and face reality.

[QUOTE="The_Kills"]

Im sorry but this guy loves to exagerate a bit with like the amount of exclusives and such, and this whole thing with a price cut...of course it is, and can u blame ethem for having the newer 80GB coming out, 20GB+ and the game motor storm, 60+ , for the same amout of moeny it cost to buy a 60 GB without any off that stuff for the $600 price tag.

Also, you tend todeviate from the topic talking about how the 360 has something, but what itonly has is a couple of exclusives that seem good for 2007....what about 2008...nothing much happening there.

Sony has an expectencey life span of 10 yrs for the console, and as such, is slowly getting better and better in my opinion. But i just dont agree with you they are done, im sorry. Oh and thank the Lord you werent what i thought when you started talking about the Wii, for s second there i thought you favored it overed the PS3.

videogamegirl05

the duck is uber cute. :oops:

Thx lol...i ahvent been on GS ever since last year, barely come on and stuff, as u can tell by my old ass sig and avatar....

BACK ON TOPIC SORRY

[QUOTE="Sushbag88"]

Given that the PS3 is the Dreamcast of this console generation, Sony should take a leaf out of Sega's book: Pack their bags, discontinue the console, cease all game development, and start cutting their losses and working on a new platform for next time. Maybe then they can beat Microsoft to market in 2010 or something.

I mean for a while it was funny. It was the joke of the gaming community: The fact that Sony was just shooting itself in the face repeatedly, at every damn turn. But now, it's been obvious for a while that in terms of the current console war Microsoft has already won. But even though they have, couldn't Sony have still at least tried? But no, they continue their reign of mediocrity and suicidal industry moves. And so it's not even funny, it's almost old hat.

Consider E3 2007. As many of you pointed out, and with no small amount of truth I'll admit, Sony had to wow the industry and the gamers at this year's E3. They HAD to. We pretty much knew that the rest of the year is a given for the 360, and that Sony already had a slim chance at competing this holiday. But now, not only do we know for sure that Sony has absolutely no chance (0%) at competing with anyone (especially, I don't know, Microsoft) this holiday season, they haven't even set themselves up properly for 2008 like they should have at E3. Are you kidding me, Sony? Are you trying to lose? I mean clearly the only real game the PS3 has ever had surely would allow Sony to compete at Christmas. Oh wait, it's been delayed. I actually didn't see that coming, and I'm usually good with this sort of thing. Now instead of one game (MGS4 that is) the PS3 has exactly no games. One may argue, "But wait, that's just 2007." Gotcha covered. You realize that 2008 is now Sony's last stand? With a mixed lineup of a bunch of non-exclusives and perhaps 3 or so actual exclusives, the PS3 is rallying in 2008 like it's the Alamo. MGS4, Killzone, Haze, and then the non-exclusives which will definitely not sway anyone. It's not even like the PS3 has RE5 or SH5, because if those had been exclusive I'd have to buy one wouldn't I. But even those are gone! Is Sony really banking on those 2 or 3 exclusives to carry them for 2008? When people are sitting at home comfortably playing Halo 3, GTA4, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Mass Effect, and whatever else the 360 has, does anyone here honestly believe that a one of them will consider heading out to spend $600 on anything but more 360 games or perhaps computer hardware to play Crysis/UT3/TF2? It's humorous to even consider such a possibility. And Sony needed this E3. E3 2007 was huge for them. And guess what we got? A delay of MGS4 and, even better, news that Konami might take MGS4 to the 360, and even better, news that the much-touted $100 price cut wasn't much of a price cut at all. What? The one thing that might have sold them a few extra PS3's and Sony is actually publicly admitting that the whole price cut was just to get rid of inventory on a console that, like the original $500 variant, they are phasing out? What kind of backhanded move is that? This is a joke. They're done.

Maybe some of you are confused still, perhaps some of the younger members on these boards (I've seen quite a few) are still defending their VCR-looking console to the death. And to you I will give this one thing: I'll still probably buy a PS3 before the war is out. Why not, they still have SOME exclusives. But that's all I'll give you. I'll give you that I might still buy one just because my love of games exceeds my love of predicting industry trends and watching as they are fulfilled before my eyes. But make no mistake: This is the Dreamcast of this generation. Which is why I suggested that Sony, in order to make the logical move, should back out of the console race. They can still keep the PSP and PS2 in production I'd say, but the PS3 has failed to such an extent that it's bleak future, which is just another guarantee that Sony needs to go pick a quiet spot to die, is something that Sony is actually trying to confront as if things will magically turn around in 2008 or any subsequent year. Sony is actually throwing more money into it, in an attempt to play somegame of charades with the public. "We're doing fine because we say we are." I lold', etc.

This isn't just a Sony issue, Nintendo fans. Don't make the mistake of thinking the Wii is an attractive substitute for a PS3. I'd rather buy one of the black paper weights from Sony than fork over cash for something called a Wii. The 360 is rocking in game selection, and, contrary to not-so-popular-but-still-prevalent belief, it ALWAYS has! The 360 launch was awesome, they had some of their best games to date on that freaking launch. And it's only gotten better from there. I knew that the 360 was something to buy right from launch (even though I waited a few months anyway) and I certainly never thought of Microsoft as needing to do anything to make itself more presentable to me as a consumer. They did virtually everything right, a few hardware issues aside. Their console has the best games, but come on: It even looks cool. The controller is fantastic, the interface is well integrated with the guide button, the downloadable content is icing on the cake, I mean come on. The 360 is doing amazing in games at this point in it's life, and holiday 2007 is like sex in video game form, in terms of the lineup that is. It's not like it's the more attractive buying option for gamers now, it will be for the foreseeable future. The PS3 and Wii? Their games are non-existent and laughable, respectively.

I may be digressing, so here's a brief conclusion: Sony is done. And, while we're on the subject of defunct gaming companies, Nintendo isn't even trying to do anything in terms of games at this point. Financially they may be selling consoles, but their lineup is jokingly barren and their installed base isn't up to that of the 360's yet. But back to Sony: The reality of the Dreamcast-like nature of the PS3 is growing daily. I wouldn't be surprised if, in three years or so, people are looking back and saying, of the PS3: "Oh that? Yea it was kind of a failed experiment by Sony. Had impressive hardware at first, but not enough games ended up coming out for it and, well, the 360 just destroyed it. I kinda liked it, but eventually even I came to realize that it was a waste of money compared to it's competition. A pity, really, considering the PS2 was so great. Oh well."

HuhJustaBox

Sorry I had to edit my post, Gamespot forums likes to squeeze words togther. Also, sorry if it's long. How am I supposed to sum up the failure of such magnitude in a post of anything but reasonably large size?

Sushbag88

Don't get the impression I actually believe Sony will pull out. They are too proud of their past accomplishments to do that. My post was to point out that for a gamer who's been around long enough to at least speak properly about an issue (something a number of people in this thread haven't yet achieved), I am extremely disappointed with the severe drop in quality of Sony's console division since the PS2 era. I mean, they have no chance.

Oh, and JustaBox: Don't kid yourself. The E3 2007 Killzone trailer hardly looked as good as the pre-rendered one at 2005. The game actually looks great, but not anything special when other games of comparable quality that are actually real are coming out, particularly on the PC format. And, come on, it's Killzone. We all know it won't possibly compare to something like Halo in terms of fun factor. But, we don't know until it comes out. Just don't bank everything on one game.

Sushbag88

It's obvious why you made this thread to try to justify that you made the right purchase, therefore I fully understand why you want the ps3 to die. You must understand that not everything will go the way you want it to and that goes for the future of the ps3 too. Obviously you have done A LOT of research on the ps3 system, so you should know that there are A LOT of good games coming to the ps3, but why would you still state that the ps3 is going to die? I could only come up with 2 conclusions one is that you are being corrupted by a biased source or SECOND you are afraid that the ps3 will win, therefore meaning that you made a fatal error of purchasing an inferior system. I probably think you fit under the second choice. Don't worry though, its natural for anyone to justify their purchase, and by having more 360 owners obviously mean that there are more Xbox 360 fanboys than any other consoles because a lot more xbox/ps3 owners want to justify that they made the right choice.

What the heck is wrong with these fanboys, where they all dropped as babies, or thrown up into the ceiling fan? What's with all the blind hate? Why do they care what other people like and play? What's with that? Play your games and shut the eff up!briguyb13

What the heck is wrong with these fanboys, where they all dropped as babies, or thrown up into the ceiling fan? What's with all the blind hate? Why do they care what other people like and play? What's with that? Play your games and shut the eff up!briguyb13

Agreed.

The Sheep act like expanding the market is the best and casuals really matter when in the Gamecube days they claimed the PS2 was only for the wannabe "cool" kids AKA casuals.

The Cows well.....just wait.

The Lemmings go as far as calling another country nationalistic and racist because they don't buy their system, when in reality that's literally is compeltly stupid since hte country CONSTANTLY buys American products daily *Mcdonalds, IPOD, Ambrocrombie and Fitch, Nike, etc.*

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or otherwise known as Wall of Text murders you.

I'm not even gonna bother reading that, i don't care if you put forth a decent argument. You know why? Because that statement is ridiculous, it's like saying "Microsoft is done since all their systems are defective and have a chance of breaking down". You guys need to stop this propaganda. Sony is doing very well at the moment and just got a decent boost to sales. They just converted a nice chunk of people, or at the very least showed a lot of people that they are really devoted to their system and want to put forth a lot of quality titles. Multiplats are starting to look and run better on it as well. It's finally scoring some Timed Exclusives, more developers are starting to like it (Sid Meier praised it, Epic likes it, and more are starting to as well). They already have a decent amount of games out with more quality games just around the corner. They have the rest of 07 down with Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Ratchet and Clank, GTA4, Warkaw and more including 2 timed exclusives that like it or not, are not going to be playable on any other console during the holidays, a major time. One of them being UT3 and featuring mods. They have 2008 covered with massive titles such as FF13, MGS4, Little Big Planet, etc. Their online service is strong and holds up, with rumors (or has it been confirmed?) of downloadable movies. Blu Ray is stepping all over HDDVD. Their sales aren't even that bad considering the price it had and the limited amount of good games, which still managed to get it over 3.5 million (not sure of the actual number) sold. The price drop will help get some more in as well, coupled with many amazing games coming out this fall with another possible price drop on the new SKU guarantees even more sales. That's not even 2008, that's when things will really start to get interesting. That's when you can finally start really comparing the 360 and PS3 and when we can officially say next gen started, in a fair way.

Hey dude,

Good post, I think you laid it out very well. Thank you for taking the time to write it up. However I don't think you should claim the PS3 is dead; I mean you are entitled to your prediction but like you said 2008 *could* be better for Sony, potentially and beyond that.

However this console has been out for nearly a year and it's still rather lackluster in terms of any game line-up *that is on the shelves*. The dev kits for the PS3 have been in developer's hands long before the console was released so that is another point to add to the lack of games dilema.

I think when it boils down to it it's going to be human nature for someone to not really defend the PS3, but rather to defend their $600 investment and loyalty to a company in order to make themselves feel better about not blowing cash. This could easily change, mind you, in the future when the PS3 has games but people should stop claiming fame for this console until games are actually out and reviewed.

[QUOTE="Sushbag88"]

Given that the PS3 is the Dreamcast of this console generation, Sony should take a leaf out of Sega's book: Pack their bags, discontinue the console, cease all game development, and start cutting their losses and working on a new platform for next time. Maybe then they can beat Microsoft to market in 2010 or something.

I mean for a while it was funny. It was the joke of the gaming community: The fact that Sony was just shooting itself in the face repeatedly, at every damn turn. But now, it's been obvious for a while that in terms of the current console war Microsoft has already won. But even though they have, couldn't Sony have still at least tried? But no, they continue their reign of mediocrity and suicidal industry moves. And so it's not even funny, it's almost old hat.

Consider E3 2007. As many of you pointed out, and with no small amount of truth I'll admit, Sony had to wow the industry and the gamers at this year's E3. They HAD to. We pretty much knew that the rest of the year is a given for the 360, and that Sony already had a slim chance at competing this holiday. But now, not only do we know for sure that Sony has absolutely no chance (0%) at competing with anyone (especially, I don't know, Microsoft) this holiday season, they haven't even set themselves up properly for 2008 like they should have at E3. Are you kidding me, Sony? Are you trying to lose? I mean clearly the only real game the PS3 has ever had surely would allow Sony to compete at Christmas. Oh wait, it's been delayed. I actually didn't see that coming, and I'm usually good with this sort of thing. Now instead of one game (MGS4 that is) the PS3 has exactly no games. One may argue, "But wait, that's just 2007." Gotcha covered. You realize that 2008 is now Sony's last stand? With a mixed lineup of a bunch of non-exclusives and perhaps 3 or so actual exclusives, the PS3 is rallying in 2008 like it's the Alamo. MGS4, Killzone, Haze, and then the non-exclusives which will definitely not sway anyone. It's not even like the PS3 has RE5 or SH5, because if those had been exclusive I'd have to buy one wouldn't I. But even those are gone! Is Sony really banking on those 2 or 3 exclusives to carry them for 2008? When people are sitting at home comfortably playing Halo 3, GTA4, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Mass Effect, and whatever else the 360 has, does anyone here honestly believe that a one of them will consider heading out to spend $600 on anything but more 360 games or perhaps computer hardware to play Crysis/UT3/TF2? It's humorous to even consider such a possibility. And Sony needed this E3. E3 2007 was huge for them. And guess what we got? A delay of MGS4 and, even better, news that Konami might take MGS4 to the 360, and even better, news that the much-touted $100 price cut wasn't much of a price cut at all. What? The one thing that might have sold them a few extra PS3's and Sony is actually publicly admitting that the whole price cut was just to get rid of inventory on a console that, like the original $500 variant, they are phasing out? What kind of backhanded move is that? This is a joke. They're done.

Maybe some of you are confused still, perhaps some of the younger members on these boards (I've seen quite a few) are still defending their VCR-looking console to the death. And to you I will give this one thing: I'll still probably buy a PS3 before the war is out. Why not, they still have SOME exclusives. But that's all I'll give you. I'll give you that I might still buy one just because my love of games exceeds my love of predicting industry trends and watching as they are fulfilled before my eyes. But make no mistake: This is the Dreamcast of this generation. Which is why I suggested that Sony, in order to make the logical move, should back out of the console race. They can still keep the PSP and PS2 in production I'd say, but the PS3 has failed to such an extent that it's bleak future, which is just another guarantee that Sony needs to go pick a quiet spot to die, is something that Sony is actually trying to confront as if things will magically turn around in 2008 or any subsequent year. Sony is actually throwing more money into it, in an attempt to play somegame of charades with the public. "We're doing fine because we say we are." I lold', etc.

This isn't just a Sony issue, Nintendo fans. Don't make the mistake of thinking the Wii is an attractive substitute for a PS3. I'd rather buy one of the black paper weights from Sony than fork over cash for something called a Wii. The 360 is rocking in game selection, and, contrary to not-so-popular-but-still-prevalent belief, it ALWAYS has! The 360 launch was awesome, they had some of their best games to date on that freaking launch. And it's only gotten better from there. I knew that the 360 was something to buy right from launch (even though I waited a few months anyway) and I certainly never thought of Microsoft as needing to do anything to make itself more presentable to me as a consumer. They did virtually everything right, a few hardware issues aside. Their console has the best games, but come on: It even looks cool. The controller is fantastic, the interface is well integrated with the guide button, the downloadable content is icing on the cake, I mean come on. The 360 is doing amazing in games at this point in it's life, and holiday 2007 is like sex in video game form, in terms of the lineup that is. It's not like it's the more attractive buying option for gamers now, it will be for the foreseeable future. The PS3 and Wii? Their games are non-existent and laughable, respectively.

I may be digressing, so here's a brief conclusion: Sony is done. And, while we're on the subject of defunct gaming companies, Nintendo isn't even trying to do anything in terms of games at this point. Financially they may be selling consoles, but their lineup is jokingly barren and their installed base isn't up to that of the 360's yet. But back to Sony: The reality of the Dreamcast-like nature of the PS3 is growing daily. I wouldn't be surprised if, in three years or so, people are looking back and saying, of the PS3: "Oh that? Yea it was kind of a failed experiment by Sony. Had impressive hardware at first, but not enough games ended up coming out for it and, well, the 360 just destroyed it. I kinda liked it, but eventually even I came to realize that it was a waste of money compared to it's competition. A pity, really, considering the PS2 was so great. Oh well."

ff-leader

I think your crystal ball broke :(

That is truly pathetic, thats not the way you call for help when you head is stuck in your A$$.

This Gif Describes it pretty well.

Pre E3- Hey PS3 is $499

Last Day of E3- Btw its gonna go back upto $599

i think the reactions are perfect

alecsuba

lol thats pretty funny.

[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"][QUOTE="Sushbag88"]

Given that the PS3 is the Dreamcast of this console generation, Sony should take a leaf out of Sega's book: Pack their bags, discontinue the console, cease all game development, and start cutting their losses and working on a new platform for next time. Maybe then they can beat Microsoft to market in 2010 or something.

I mean for a while it was funny. It was the joke of the gaming community: The fact that Sony was just shooting itself in the face repeatedly, at every damn turn. But now, it's been obvious for a while that in terms of the current console war Microsoft has already won. But even though they have, couldn't Sony have still at least tried? But no, they continue their reign of mediocrity and suicidal industry moves. And so it's not even funny, it's almost old hat.

Consider E3 2007. As many of you pointed out, and with no small amount of truth I'll admit, Sony had to wow the industry and the gamers at this year's E3. They HAD to. We pretty much knew that the rest of the year is a given for the 360, and that Sony already had a slim chance at competing this holiday. But now, not only do we know for sure that Sony has absolutely no chance (0%) at competing with anyone (especially, I don't know, Microsoft) this holiday season, they haven't even set themselves up properly for 2008 like they should have at E3. Are you kidding me, Sony? Are you trying to lose? I mean clearly the only real game the PS3 has ever had surely would allow Sony to compete at Christmas. Oh wait, it's been delayed. I actually didn't see that coming, and I'm usually good with this sort of thing. Now instead of one game (MGS4 that is) the PS3 has exactly no games. One may argue, "But wait, that's just 2007." Gotcha covered. You realize that 2008 is now Sony's last stand? With a mixed lineup of a bunch of non-exclusives and perhaps 3 or so actual exclusives, the PS3 is rallying in 2008 like it's the Alamo. MGS4, Killzone, Haze, and then the non-exclusives which will definitely not sway anyone. It's not even like the PS3 has RE5 or SH5, because if those had been exclusive I'd have to buy one wouldn't I. But even those are gone! Is Sony really banking on those 2 or 3 exclusives to carry them for 2008? When people are sitting at home comfortably playing Halo 3, GTA4, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Mass Effect, and whatever else the 360 has, does anyone here honestly believe that a one of them will consider heading out to spend $600 on anything but more 360 games or perhaps computer hardware to play Crysis/UT3/TF2? It's humorous to even consider such a possibility. And Sony needed this E3. E3 2007 was huge for them. And guess what we got? A delay of MGS4 and, even better, news that Konami might take MGS4 to the 360, and even better, news that the much-touted $100 price cut wasn't much of a price cut at all. What? The one thing that might have sold them a few extra PS3's and Sony is actually publicly admitting that the whole price cut was just to get rid of inventory on a console that, like the original $500 variant, they are phasing out? What kind of backhanded move is that? This is a joke. They're done.

Maybe some of you are confused still, perhaps some of the younger members on these boards (I've seen quite a few) are still defending their VCR-looking console to the death. And to you I will give this one thing: I'll still probably buy a PS3 before the war is out. Why not, they still have SOME exclusives. But that's all I'll give you. I'll give you that I might still buy one just because my love of games exceeds my love of predicting industry trends and watching as they are fulfilled before my eyes. But make no mistake: This is the Dreamcast of this generation. Which is why I suggested that Sony, in order to make the logical move, should back out of the console race. They can still keep the PSP and PS2 in production I'd say, but the PS3 has failed to such an extent that it's bleak future, which is just another guarantee that Sony needs to go pick a quiet spot to die, is something that Sony is actually trying to confront as if things will magically turn around in 2008 or any subsequent year. Sony is actually throwing more money into it, in an attempt to play somegame of charades with the public. "We're doing fine because we say we are." I lold', etc.

This isn't just a Sony issue, Nintendo fans. Don't make the mistake of thinking the Wii is an attractive substitute for a PS3. I'd rather buy one of the black paper weights from Sony than fork over cash for something called a Wii. The 360 is rocking in game selection, and, contrary to not-so-popular-but-still-prevalent belief, it ALWAYS has! The 360 launch was awesome, they had some of their best games to date on that freaking launch. And it's only gotten better from there. I knew that the 360 was something to buy right from launch (even though I waited a few months anyway) and I certainly never thought of Microsoft as needing to do anything to make itself more presentable to me as a consumer. They did virtually everything right, a few hardware issues aside. Their console has the best games, but come on: It even looks cool. The controller is fantastic, the interface is well integrated with the guide button, the downloadable content is icing on the cake, I mean come on. The 360 is doing amazing in games at this point in it's life, and holiday 2007 is like sex in video game form, in terms of the lineup that is. It's not like it's the more attractive buying option for gamers now, it will be for the foreseeable future. The PS3 and Wii? Their games are non-existent and laughable, respectively.

I may be digressing, so here's a brief conclusion: Sony is done. And, while we're on the subject of defunct gaming companies, Nintendo isn't even trying to do anything in terms of games at this point. Financially they may be selling consoles, but their lineup is jokingly barren and their installed base isn't up to that of the 360's yet. But back to Sony: The reality of the Dreamcast-like nature of the PS3 is growing daily. I wouldn't be surprised if, in three years or so, people are looking back and saying, of the PS3: "Oh that? Yea it was kind of a failed experiment by Sony. Had impressive hardware at first, but not enough games ended up coming out for it and, well, the 360 just destroyed it. I kinda liked it, but eventually even I came to realize that it was a waste of money compared to it's competition. A pity, really, considering the PS2 was so great. Oh well."

zath5

Quality isnt gonna come the first year of its life cycle...oh cmon you wanna tell me the Xbox360 was the greatest thing even in its launch, look im not bashing the 360 or anyhting(i do it enough on the Wii) nor do i want to, but i just simply cannot agree on how you belive Sony is out.

They have put out the most powerful hardware in any console, and you cant deny that the lack of initial quiality in its first year (as same with the 360 and its predesessor). Developers had also admitted some of the reason they hadnt come up with gr8 games fro the PS3 because its still young and they havent adapted and optimized it much for there use. Simply put its a hard console to develop on, but the possiblities of the amount of quality that would be bought about as time goes by can only be seen as things are now, with MGS4, KZ2, and other games being released showing, what the PS3 can really do and I belive even more once developers get adapted to it. The same thing happend to Xbox when it hit shelves, the games were really not that good. But with given time I think both consoles can thrive well.

The_Kills

I see your position, but you are mistaken good sir. Reason being that both the Xbox and 360 had fantastic launch games. The 360's launch was phenominal, and the games only got better from there. The PS3 launch did have that one pretty good game, followed by nothing. It's just, the PS3 wasn't exciting at launch. It didn't really do anything special, maybe it had Resistance but there was just a different atmosphere when the 360 launched. It was good, or something.

Your argument about the difficulty of the hardware is well warranted. Since Sony insisted on making the mistake of engineering a preposterous eight core CPU, they'll have to settle with possibly never getting the kind of numbers of great games people expect from a Playstation. Sure Kojima might figure it out, and Killzone will at least be a good tech demo, but is that even going to be enough? I mean I don't know if one great game and one tech demo will be enough to sway me to buy the thing.

[QUOTE="The_Kills"]Quality isnt gonna come the first year of its life cycle...oh cmon you wanna tell me the Xbox360 was the greatest thing even in its launch, look im not bashing the 360 or anyhting(i do it enough on the Wii) nor do i want to, but i just simply cannot agree on how you belive Sony is out.

They have put out the most powerful hardware in any console, and you cant deny that the lack of initial quiality in its first year (as same with the 360 and its predesessor). Developers had also admitted some of the reason they hadnt come up with gr8 games fro the PS3 because its still young and they havent adapted and optimized it much for there use. Simply put its a hard console to develop on, but the possiblities of the amount of quality that would be bought about as time goes by can only be seen as things are now, with MGS4, KZ2, and other games being released showing, what the PS3 can really do and I belive even more once developers get adapted to it. The same thing happend to Xbox when it hit shelves, the games were really not that good. But with given time I think both consoles can thrive well.

Sushbag88

I see your position, but you are mistaken good sir. Reason being that both the Xbox and 360 had fantastic launch games. The 360's launch was phenominal, and the games only got better from there. The PS3 launch did have that one pretty good game, followed by nothing. It's just, the PS3 wasn't exciting at launch. It didn't really do anything special, maybe it had Resistance but there was just a different atmosphere when the 360 launched. It was good, or something.

Your argument about the difficulty of the hardware is well warranted. Since Sony insisted on making the mistake of engineering a preposterous eight core CPU, they'll have to settle with possibly never getting the kind of numbers of great games people expect from a Playstation. Sure Kojima might figure it out, and Killzone will at least be a good tech demo, but is that even going to be enough? I mean I don't know if one great game and one tech demo will be enough to sway me to buy the thing.

[QUOTE="The_Kills"]Quality isnt gonna come the first year of its life cycle...oh cmon you wanna tell me the Xbox360 was the greatest thing even in its launch, look im not bashing the 360 or anyhting(i do it enough on the Wii) nor do i want to, but i just simply cannot agree on how you belive Sony is out.

They have put out the most powerful hardware in any console, and you cant deny that the lack of initial quiality in its first year (as same with the 360 and its predesessor). Developers had also admitted some of the reason they hadnt come up with gr8 games fro the PS3 because its still young and they havent adapted and optimized it much for there use. Simply put its a hard console to develop on, but the possiblities of the amount of quality that would be bought about as time goes by can only be seen as things are now, with MGS4, KZ2, and other games being released showing, what the PS3 can really do and I belive even more once developers get adapted to it. The same thing happend to Xbox when it hit shelves, the games were really not that good. But with given time I think both consoles can thrive well.

Sushbag88

I see your position, but you are mistaken good sir. Reason being that both the Xbox and 360 had fantastic launch games. The 360's launch was phenominal, and the games only got better from there. The PS3 launch did have that one pretty good game, followed by nothing. It's just, the PS3 wasn't exciting at launch. It didn't really do anything special, maybe it had Resistance but there was just a different atmosphere when the 360 launched. It was good, or something.

Your argument about the difficulty of the hardware is well warranted. Since Sony insisted on making the mistake of engineering a preposterous eight core CPU, they'll have to settle with possibly never getting the kind of numbers of great games people expect from a Playstation. Sure Kojima might figure it out, and Killzone will at least be a good tech demo, but is that even going to be enough? I mean I don't know if one great game and one tech demo will be enough to sway me to buy the thing.

Well let me first say i cannot understand how you say teh Xbox and the 360 both had good launch titles, the PS3 the same also...I just cant say one was better than the other in terms of games. But in hype and anticipation, over all internationally i think the PS3 was a bit better.

Also, your fear on the hardware side and its pregression of the systems full potential being optimzied and over all just gradul improvement of production values that developers will bring out, is the same fear I had for the original Xbox. Sony is not stupid making such investments, they know they cannot afford to fail and will do anything to not let that happen, nor wil it. Because i see the PS3 becoming the Xbox of last gen, and the 360 becoming the PS2, and since exclusives are being lost from one to the other, the variety will be good for competition and drive progression in the industry in terms of varieties of games.

1 problem still remains is that the Wii just complicates this and just slows everything for the industry...I think you know as well as I do in this department, and why the Wii just needs to die

[QUOTE="Sushbag88"][QUOTE="The_Kills"]Quality isnt gonna come the first year of its life cycle...oh cmon you wanna tell me the Xbox360 was the greatest thing even in its launch, look im not bashing the 360 or anyhting(i do it enough on the Wii) nor do i want to, but i just simply cannot agree on how you belive Sony is out.

They have put out the most powerful hardware in any console, and you cant deny that the lack of initial quiality in its first year (as same with the 360 and its predesessor). Developers had also admitted some of the reason they hadnt come up with gr8 games fro the PS3 because its still young and they havent adapted and optimized it much for there use. Simply put its a hard console to develop on, but the possiblities of the amount of quality that would be bought about as time goes by can only be seen as things are now, with MGS4, KZ2, and other games being released showing, what the PS3 can really do and I belive even more once developers get adapted to it. The same thing happend to Xbox when it hit shelves, the games were really not that good. But with given time I think both consoles can thrive well.

HuhJustaBox

I see your position, but you are mistaken good sir. Reason being that both the Xbox and 360 had fantastic launch games. The 360's launch was phenominal, and the games only got better from there. The PS3 launch did have that one pretty good game, followed by nothing. It's just, the PS3 wasn't exciting at launch. It didn't really do anything special, maybe it had Resistance but there was just a different atmosphere when the 360 launched. It was good, or something.

Your argument about the difficulty of the hardware is well warranted. Since Sony insisted on making the mistake of engineering a preposterous eight core CPU, they'll have to settle with possibly never getting the kind of numbers of great games people expect from a Playstation. Sure Kojima might figure it out, and Killzone will at least be a good tech demo, but is that even going to be enough? I mean I don't know if one great game and one tech demo will be enough to sway me to buy the thing.

Thank you for adding these points and not being a fanboy in anyway, but just contructive for this person we are trying to convince...

What a load of crap from the TC. We get it, you're a Microsoft fanboy.

You say the PS3 is the Dreamcast of this generation. Do you even know how grossly inaccurate your analogy is? The Dreamcast failed because it was trumped by a system with better graphics, an integrated DVD player and a promising post-launch line-up.

Youalso mention that the PS3 has no games except for '08's MGS4. I don't know if your 360 just fell on your head and you're seeing Peter Moore cuckoo birds or something.Because you must have a concussion to not notice that Epic's next big game will only grace one console this year. Who care's because it's also coming to PC, you say? Not all console gamersgame ona PC or a high end one for that matter. So there goes that argument. And despite it coming to 360 next year. The PS3 fans will find it underneath their Christmas trees this year. Meaning that the PS3 online fan-base may end up being bigger than 360's Live because why wait if you own both systems.

Last but not least games like GTA 4 are not exclusive to 360. So I don't know what you're gloating about. These are some of 07's exclusives for PS3:

Heavenly Sword

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction

Lair

Socom: Confrontation

NBA '08

Warhawk

Folklore

[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]Well contrary to popular belief--the 360 did not have the uber launch line up that everyone professes. It had COD2 and PGR3. The other games ranged from decent to horrible. And what about the 360 drought that no one seems to remember. There was nothing until March--then you got Graw and Oblivion. PS3 same thing and they got Oblivion and Motorstorm in March. Then the 360 had nothing that great until Dead rising. When did that come out? I think it was August or Sept. Boy this seems to sound very similar with the PS3. Sure they had about 2 more really good games over the PS3 at this time out of launch--but 2 games is nothing to really scream about.

Also note, the PS2 and PS did not have good launches either. Every PS console has started off slow. Usually not really kicking into gear until its first year anniversery.

LMAO with your last comment. Yeah GT5 will suck, so will Uncharted, so will FFXIII, so will the next ICO project, so will EVERYTHING for that matter. And just because Killzone surpassed the supposed LIES that Sony promised--I guess it is destined for failure. I mean it has delivered in every other aspect--but the gameplay has to suck? Right?

Open your eyes--the Cell is giving us great games--have you seen Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, etc? All of those games look amazing! And I doubt there is anything that Sony could do to sway you to buy one, as it seems you have made up your mind long ago.

4_Horsemen

I see the thread has been kept alive. Albeit with flames, but I can live with that. I'm going to respond to the past twenty posts or so by clearing the air.

I understand that some of you might be huge Sony fanboys, but how about actually constructing a reasonable defense instead of bashing me, individually. I made the thread with the intention of presenting the reality of the situation for the PS3. Of course, since I made it in the system wars forum I intended to piss off the Sony fans. Well, it appears I have done that. However, I want to be shown why the PS3 isn't a complete failure. So far I've heard a lot of "Well you're just saying that because you're validating your purchase," or "you're a moron" or "how could you care so much?" or "i'm stupid and didn't read your post but i'll comment anyway." Keep it coming, I don't care. Stick to the issue, you're getting nowhere turning me into a "fanboy" of Microsoft. If I was a fanboy, you'd tell because I'd be stupid. My position isn't "My console is better than yours," it is "Sony is failing miserably."

I see the thread has been kept alive. Albeit with flames, but I can live with that. I'm going to respond to the past twenty posts or so by clearing the air.

I understand that some of you might be huge Sony fanboys, but how about actually constructing a reasonable defense instead of bashing me, individually. I made the thread with the intention of presenting the reality of the situation for the PS3. Of course, since I made it in the system wars forum I intended to piss off the Sony fans. Well, it appears I have done that. However, I want to be shown why the PS3 isn't a complete failure. So far I've heard a lot of "Well you're just saying that because you're validating your purchase," or "you're a moron" or "how could you care so much?" or "i'm stupid and didn't read your post but i'll comment anyway." Keep it coming, I don't care. Stick to the issue, you're getting nowhere turning me into a "fanboy" of Microsoft. If I was a fanboy, you'd tell because I'd be stupid. My position isn't "My console is better than yours," it is "Sony is failing miserably."

Sushbag88

I see the thread has been kept alive. Albeit with flames, but I can live with that. I'm going to respond to the past twenty posts or so by clearing the air.

I understand that some of you might be huge Sony fanboys, but how about actually constructing a reasonable defense instead of bashing me, individually. I made the thread with the intention of presenting the reality of the situation for the PS3. Of course, since I made it in the system wars forum I intended to piss off the Sony fans. Well, it appears I have done that. However, I want to be shown why the PS3 isn't a complete failure. So far I've heard a lot of "Well you're just saying that because you're validating your purchase," or "you're a moron" or "how could you care so much?" or "i'm stupid and didn't read your post but i'll comment anyway." Keep it coming, I don't care. Stick to the issue, you're getting nowhere turning me into a "fanboy" of Microsoft. If I was a fanboy, you'd tell because I'd be stupid. My position isn't "My console is better than yours," it is "Sony is failing miserably."

Sushbag88

Dude i would have agreed with you before E3.

The reason why i so confidently believe sony will not "lose" rests a lot with the fact that microsoft and nintendo aren't developing enough quality first party game exclusives. the amount of games sony themselves are making is insane.I think in europe this strategy is gonna pay offf really well. Most of the games that were good at e3 for 360 were multiplats.

Certain games like Gt5 have been commerical successes for sony plus ratchet and clank, and god of war(all first party).
moore didnt whip out any tattoos of FFXIII versusor MGS4so there goesme everthinking the japanese will take microsoft seriouly. Have you seen how long FFXIII has been at number 2 of famitsu most wanted. Mgs4 is constantly at number 4 as well. most of the games are ps3 titles. In addition to this i find it quite telling that only 58 percent of the people who pre-ordered Gta Iv were 360 users(on amazon i think). Yeah more of the buyers may be 360 users but that isn't a wide enough gap in my opinion. Microsoft need to educate consumers on the exclusive content thing or it might be a tad pointless.

Lemmings are right in thinking halo 3 will sell more than any ps3 game this year. But considering the fact that it's up against heavenly sword, ratchet and clank, uncharted,haze (i know it's not exclusive, but its timed), and unreal i very much doubt its total will surpass the combined totall of all those games wordwide. Microsoft need to do a $100 price drop, without that sony's hype train and army of exclusives 07 and 08 will prove far too compelling.

i

Given that the PS3 is the Dreamcast of this console generation,......

Sushbag88

Dude, If I wanted to read a dissertation on physics 101 I would go back to college. Im no fan of the PS3 but I would not count it out....yet. When Nov gets here and the sales are still pathetic then yes, pack up your ******* bags and leave the business. PS3 still has some fight in it......just not much. :shock:

[QUOTE="The_Kills"] Also, you tend todeviate from the topic talking about how the 360 has something, but what itonly has is a couple of exclusives that seem good for 2007....what about 2008...nothing much happening there.

Sony has an expectencey life span of 10 yrs for the console, and as such, is slowly getting better and better in my opinion. But i just dont agree with you they are done, im sorry. Oh and thank the Lord you werent what i thought when you started talking about the Wii, for s second there i thought you favored it overed the PS3.

Sushbag88

You're right in saying the 360 doesn't exactly have 100 games coming out this holiday season, that isn't the point. What it does have is amazing. It's the console games we've been waiting for since 2004. Except MGS4, which we can't even play this year.

But here's the question I want to ask: What happened between the PS2 and the PS3, for Sony? The PS2 had a startling lineup. When did the classic games start coming out for that console? About a year after launch, right? A year after the PS3's release, and here's what Sony is bringing out: Nothing. Last time it was MGS2, GTA3, I mean just those games right there was enough to buy the console. This time for the most part the games just aren't there, and the ones that are are no longer exclusive. And the reasons to buy a 360 over a PS3 for non exclusives are myriad, but they include cheaper price, better online, better controller (that's right I said it: vibration + comfy as hell = better than dual shock with useless motion sensing), better downloadable content, I don't know how else to put it. It's like the decision is being made for us, it's like Sony is throwing in the towel.

I see the thread has been kept alive. Albeit with flames, but I can live with that. I'm going to respond to the past twenty posts or so by clearing the air.

I understand that some of you might be huge Sony fanboys, but how about actually constructing a reasonable defense instead of bashing me, individually. I made the thread with the intention of presenting the reality of the situation for the PS3. Of course, since I made it in the system wars forum I intended to piss off the Sony fans. Well, it appears I have done that. However, I want to be shown why the PS3 isn't a complete failure. So far I've heard a lot of "Well you're just saying that because you're validating your purchase," or "you're a moron" or "how could you care so much?" or "i'm stupid and didn't read your post but i'll comment anyway." Keep it coming, I don't care. Stick to the issue, you're getting nowhere turning me into a "fanboy" of Microsoft. If I was a fanboy, you'd tell because I'd be stupid. My position isn't "My console is better than yours," it is "Sony is failing miserably."

Sushbag88

Hmm, I think you should reread your OP post; you positioned yourself as a "fanboy" by posting a lot of misinform information and praising Microsoft's line-up. You give off the feeling from your third paragraph that the ps3 DOES NOT HAVE ANY GAMES that are worth buying for the holidays, even though the truth is there ARE games that are worth buying (check 1up e3 sections for further details). Sorry to say this it might hurt your feelings after rereading your post 3 times I concluded you ARE trying to justify your purchase, come on man 2 of your paragraphs was just rambling of the reasons you purchase an Xbox. That means that you feel that Xbox is the superior system, but after e3 what happened? You had a unsettle irritating feeling because instead of your wonderful purchase that impressed you, the liar, evil, corrupt, Sony did which lead to you posting on the forums to try to justify your decision.

I know your type very well you wanted to hear people's opinions, views, beliefs that are similar to your own so you will feel at ease, but instead of gaining that you were chewed up by the ps3 fans and (intelligent/mature) Xbox crew abandoned you.

Check this video out even an super hardcore xbox lover (girl) acknowledge that ps3 won e3.

Titled: The 1UP Show: Episode 91
Rating the big 3 E3 press conference.
www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3145462

She also stated that there were a lot of games she wants to play that are on the ps3.

Cant believe you diss the wii tho, its a masterpiece! So you diss the wii, ps3, and praise the xbox what does that make of you? Think hard man, but no matter how you try to deny it there is only 1 answer that is You are a xbox lover, aka fanboy, which by all means not something that is disgraceful since very little people would defend their console like you would. That alone deserves lots of respect.

, it ALWAYS has! The 360 launch was awesome, they had some of their best games to date on that freaking launch. And it's only gotten better from there. I knew that the 360 was something to buy right from launch (even though I waited a few months anyway) and I certainly never thought of Microsoft as needing to do anything to make itself more presentable to me as a consumer. They did virtually everything right, a few hardware issues aside. Their console has the best games, but come on: It even looks cool. The controller is fantastic, the interface is well integrated with the guide button, the downloadable content is icing on the cake, I mean come on. The 360 is doing amazing in games at this point in it's life, and holiday 2007 is like sex in video game form, in terms of the lineup that is

O.o fanboy for sure :/. xbox better than sex O.o hes not just a fanboy hes a SUPER FANBOY!!!

1UP Can kiss my ass, I bet they be sucking on BILL GATES dick all day long as well. Maybe GAMESPOT members want to join in on it. Have some 3 way with Bill Gates.darkmanure

why are you mad because they said that KZ2 graphics is crappier than GeOW?

Xbox 360 is the dreamcast, and i have evidence un-like you 8)

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154

I win 8)

EDIT: somebody might have already posted this....

To the TC:

Sony is not done. They are just warming up. They have a better piece of hardware, better name recognition, they have received better press, and MS had a 1.5 year head start. Taking these points into consideration, Microsoft has bottomed out at 10 million consoles, its lead is in jeapardy to Nintendo, and they continue to receive dismal press coverage on their defective hardware.

A lemming in damage control?!:roll:

I'm pretty sure lots of people were saying the same thing about the ps2 and look how it turned out.

And if any consol is going to be "dreamcasted" its the xbox. I noticed since the release of the PS3 and the Wii sales of the xbox180 has drastically slowed down.

Since the release of the xbox M$' H&E division has made no profit. YES ms could afford this but the basic purpose of a business is to make profit which ms hasn't done with respect to their xbox and everything involved with it.

"Let's first consider Microsoft's Home & Entertainment Division ("H&E"), which includes Xbox 360, Xbox, Xbox Live, Consumer Software and Hardware Products, and IPTV. Making money, i.e., the creation of long-term shareholder value, has got to be the ultimate driver of Microsoft's gaming (and H&E) strategy, right? Well, after five years and over $21 billion invested, all they've got to show for it is $5.4 billion of cumulative operating losses, and Xbox 360 doesn't appear to be the silver bullet to turn things around. "

http://www.forbes.com/personalfinance/2007/04/18/xbox-microsoft-nintendo-pf-ii-in_re_0418soapbox_inl.html

Lets not forget all the complaints of the faulty hardware. The faulty hardware, not implementing a next gen format and extending the warrenties just shows they rushed their consol into the market!! But at least they have admitted to a problem.

So basically: faulty hardware, no profit for the H&E division, no use of a next gen format=xbox being "dreamcasted"

Three and ahalf simple words for you from a very wise man: "ya'know things break"

:P

I think the ownage really came from the fact that they generated a lot of interest in the PS3 during their conference but then destroyed that in one go by announcing the discontinuation of the 60GB machine and that the rest of the world only get a half-baked bundle deal assumedly with 2 of the least popular titles coming with the machine.