Sony is losing massive marketshare because they aren't innovating

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#101 Casey-Wegner
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@luxuryheart said:
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Sony went from 80% of the console marketshare against Wii U and XB1 to getting destroyed every month by Switch.

https://www.denofgeek.com/games/nintendo-switch-sales-numbers-ps5-xbox-series-x-console-wars/

Well that is all you need to prove TC point. Sony fans are too up Sony's butt to see that Sony is too rigid and never innovates, so they will long term be left behind. (that or just copy everyone else's innovations something that is very likely.

Sony won't be left behind. Sony still has brand recognition, especially in Europe, and a few solid exclusives. At worst, they'll sell only 80 million consoles.

One thing is for sure.

I never see PS5 doing 28.8 million sales in a year like Switch considering PS4 only did 20 million in it's very best year and PS4 and PS5 are so similar.

Sony could use a gamepass type service or to buy a big third party like Bethesda, but they don't have MS's money.

Of course. Sony systems are leggy, but they don't sell as much as a prime Nintendo console per year.

Switch is a different beast. Talk about leggy, it's breaking sales records in its fifth year, it hasn't even had a price drop.

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#102  Edited By Casey-Wegner
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@casey-wegner: Uh huh, what of other third party games? Stop it haha

Name me all the big AAA third party titles on Switch that dropped day and date with the other platforms that a Nintendo fan would care about. I can't think of any. MH Rise proves that with effort, AAA hardcore can flourish on Switch, just like hardcore indies are selling way more on Switch than the other consoles.

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@casey-wegner said:
@luxuryheart said:
@casey-wegner said:
@luxuryheart said:
@mojito1988 said:

Well that is all you need to prove TC point. Sony fans are too up Sony's butt to see that Sony is too rigid and never innovates, so they will long term be left behind. (that or just copy everyone else's innovations something that is very likely.

Sony won't be left behind. Sony still has brand recognition, especially in Europe, and a few solid exclusives. At worst, they'll sell only 80 million consoles.

One thing is for sure.

I never see PS5 doing 28.8 million sales in a year like Switch considering PS4 only did 20 million in it's very best year and PS4 and PS5 are so similar.

Sony could use a gamepass type service or to buy a big third party like Bethesda, but they don't have MS's money.

Of course. Sony systems are leggy, but they don't sell as much as a prime Nintendo console per year.

Switch is a different beast. Talk about leggy, it's breaking sales records in its fifth year, it hasn't even had a price drop.

The Switch accounted for....87% of all console sales in Japan in 2020. And in 2021 it's already extending beyond that.

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#104 Chutebox
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@casey-wegner: "Name me all the big AAA third party titles on Switch that dropped day and date with the other platforms that a Nintendo fan would care about. I can't think of any."

🤣

Thanks for the laugh

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@casey-wegner: "Name me all the big AAA third party titles on Switch that dropped day and date with the other platforms that a Nintendo fan would care about. I can't think of any."

🤣

Thanks for the laugh

Huh?

What big AAA third party titles dropped on Switch day and date with the other platforms?

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@x_hedon said:
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@luxuryheart said:
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@luxuryheart said:

Sony won't be left behind. Sony still has brand recognition, especially in Europe, and a few solid exclusives. At worst, they'll sell only 80 million consoles.

One thing is for sure.

I never see PS5 doing 28.8 million sales in a year like Switch considering PS4 only did 20 million in it's very best year and PS4 and PS5 are so similar.

Sony could use a gamepass type service or to buy a big third party like Bethesda, but they don't have MS's money.

Of course. Sony systems are leggy, but they don't sell as much as a prime Nintendo console per year.

Switch is a different beast. Talk about leggy, it's breaking sales records in its fifth year, it hasn't even had a price drop.

The Switch accounted for....87% of all console sales in Japan in 2020. And in 2021 it's already extending beyond that.

Global domination.

That's how Switch just sold 28.8 million consoles in one year, while the best the PS4's best year was 20 million.

The expanded world wide market.

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You don't need to dominate market share; the pie is larger and, they're still the leader in many segments and, markets. Ex. They aren't worried about losing COD market share to Nintendo.

If they weren't worried about losing COD marketshare to Nintendo, COD would be on Switch. Even the Wii U got COD ports and Switch third party AAA is selling much better. Look at MH Rise, it broke records for Capcom.

I'm not sure that decision has anything to do w/ PlayStation and even if COD were on Switch, it honestly wouldn't perform nearly as well as PlayStation for a number of reasons.

*Some* Switch third party AAA do much better but, pretty much only if it's a game that's tailored for Japan.

Nintendo is by far the number 1 console in Japan.

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#108  Edited By Casey-Wegner
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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@casey-wegner said:
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You don't need to dominate market share; the pie is larger and, they're still the leader in many segments and, markets. Ex. They aren't worried about losing COD market share to Nintendo.

If they weren't worried about losing COD marketshare to Nintendo, COD would be on Switch. Even the Wii U got COD ports and Switch third party AAA is selling much better. Look at MH Rise, it broke records for Capcom.

I'm not sure that decision has anything to do w/ PlayStation and even if COD were on Switch, it honestly wouldn't perform nearly as well as PlayStation for a number of reasons.

*Some* Switch third party AAA do much better but, pretty much only if it's a game that's tailored for Japan.

Nintendo is by far the number 1 console in Japan.

The only good AAA third party games the Switch got that wasn't a late port was MH Rise and it just sold gangbusters in NA and Japan.

Indies also sell gangbusters on Switch and they're as core as you can get.

There are politics keeping a few serious AAA franchises off of the Switch but I don't see that lasting much longer. Switch is becoming too big.

A Switch GTA or COD would do absolute gangbusters.

MH Rise made it to second place in the US on NPD which is staggering for a single console release, the best selling single console release in Capcom history.

https://venturebeat.com/2021/04/16/march-2021-npd-monster-hunter-rise-sales-soar-to-no-2-in-the-u-s/

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#109  Edited By NathanDrakeSwag
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@casey-wegner said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:

You don't need to dominate market share; the pie is larger and, they're still the leader in many segments and, markets. Ex. They aren't worried about losing COD market share to Nintendo.

If they weren't worried about losing COD marketshare to Nintendo, COD would be on Switch. Even the Wii U got COD ports and Switch third party AAA is selling much better. Look at MH Rise, it broke records for Capcom.

Lmao. Switch runs Overwatch of all games at 720p and 30fps. It can't run CoD unless you want them to gimp it to look like this

Blame Nintendo for releasing shit hardware. Just look how trash MH Rise looks visually compared to MHW. Enough said.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: casey is confused about what market share really is and he's trying to spin the definition as hard as he can, it's pitiful, but he's wrong, Sony holds the largest market share and is the market leader.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: casey is confused about what market share really is and he's trying to spin the definition as hard as he can, it's pitiful, but he's wrong, Sony holds the largest market share and is the market leader.

No, what's pitiful is you trying to cling to some revenue article from last Feb claiming Sony as the market leader based on third party revenue and their much more expensive console when Switch has not only been dominating Sony in hardware sales and first software sales, but now they are winning in total dollar sales as well (revenue).

To put this in perspective, Switch is outselling the PS5 so badly, it's coming ahead in revenue despite PS5 costing $200 more, and $500 of revenue counted for Sony for each PS5 sale.

This is embarrassing.

Sony is now not only losing in console sales, and first party game sales to Nintendo, but also total revenue in the 2021 fiscal year.

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@casey-wegner: you wrote a lot, but 46 is still higher than 31. 😎

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#115 deactivated-611edca0d6021
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@casey-wegner: spin, Casey, spin. 46>31. 😎

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#116  Edited By Casey-Wegner
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@wonderwinner said:

@casey-wegner: spin, Casey, spin. 46>31. 😎

Old revenue news.

Find me a current link and stop with this crappy damage control.

As I said, at this point Nintendo is beating Playstation so badly in 2021, that Sony is now behind in revenue as well even though they have +$200 advantage for every console sold 🤣 Shameful

"Nintendo Switch was the best selling platform in 2021 in both units AND DOLLAR SALES (revenue)"

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@casey-wegner: keep spinning, 46>31.

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#118 Techhog89
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When I saw this bumped I knew exactly why lmao. What a dumb argument you kids are having!

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#119  Edited By Casey-Wegner
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Couldn't produce a recent link when asked to prove the #oldfakenews you're spamming in every post

I have no idea how you survive here with this kind of trolling.

In my day you would have got the hammer.

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@casey-wegner: The article is from march, 2021. 46>31. Deal with it.

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#121  Edited By vl4d_l3nin
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Disagree. Sony's design philosophy revolves around catering to people who suck at video games.

That's why they will always be successful. Most people can't play video games worth sh*t, Sony's got their back.

It's like they are conditioning Pavlov's dog.

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@wonderwinner said:

@casey-wegner: The article is from march, 2021. 46>31. Deal with it.

Your argument is based on revenue from February sales. That was early 2021. The most recent data we have is from May, posted in June.

Switch has taken the lead in revenue dollar sales on top of destroying Sony in console sales and first party sales.

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at the end of the day. sony knows that the ps brand sells a lot.

their camera stuff and insurance is doing very well also. but that it. other parts of sony are in the red and have been for year now

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@casey-wegner: next year article will tell the whole story. As of now, Sony is the market leader, Nintendo is 2, MS is dead last. Deal with it. 😎 This discussion is over, cry harder. 🤣

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#125  Edited By Casey-Wegner
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@wonderwinner said:

@casey-wegner: next year article will tell the whole story. As of now, Sony is the market leader, Nintendo is 2, MS is dead last. Deal with it. 😎 This discussion is over, cry harder. 🤣

I appreciate you continually bumping my thread to get the news out there that Nintendo owns every facet of the market including revenue as of the most recent Data we have demonstrates.

You must secretly be a Nintendo fan.

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@firedrakes said:

at the end of the day. sony knows that the ps brand sells a lot.

their camera stuff and insurance is doing very well also. but that it. other parts of sony are in the red and have been for year now

Sony needs Playstation to do gangbusters to keep them healthy as a company.

If the Switch continues to dominate Playstation sales and gets even deeper into the hardcore share of the market with recent massive successes like Monster Hunter Rise, and their 4k pro model, and if MS's Bethesda/Gamepass strategy pans out, things could get sticky.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: Casey is really hurt by Nintendo being second place. 🤣

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@NathanDrakeSwag: Casey is really hurt by Nintendo being second place. 🤣

I feel like I have bots bumping my thread at this point. That's the level of discourse you're bringing here.

What's your prediction for PS5 sales this year? Switch sold 28.8 million last year.

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Sony:

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#130 Pedro
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OP has the Wonder Twins in perpetual damage control mode. 😂🤣

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#131  Edited By Casey-Wegner
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@Pedro said:

OP has the Wonder Twins in perpetual damage control mode. 😂🤣

They're so scared of Switch they don't even have the stones to predict how much PS5 will sell this year when asked🤣

The wonder twins🤣

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@casey-wegner said:
@Chutebox said:

They've lost marketshare? Alrighty!

Yeah, Switch has been outselling them handily for nearly 30 straight months.

Back in the Wii U days Sony crushed Nintendo and XB1.

look up game sales for switch and ps. funny how sony market share has grown over the years and has no signs of slowing down. um the ps4 sold 120 consoles im sure the same people are buying a switch to.

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@gifford38: OP doesnt understand what market share is. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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excellent post hahaha

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#135 Pedro
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@gifford38 said:

look up game sales for switch and ps. funny how sony market share has grown over the years and has no signs of slowing down. um the ps4 sold 120 consoles im sure the same people are buying a switch to.

One of your wonder twins showed Sony marketshare shrank by 3%. How is that growing?🤔

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@casey-wegner said:
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If they weren't worried about losing COD marketshare to Nintendo, COD would be on Switch. Even the Wii U got COD ports and Switch third party AAA is selling much better. Look at MH Rise, it broke records for Capcom.

I'm not sure that decision has anything to do w/ PlayStation and even if COD were on Switch, it honestly wouldn't perform nearly as well as PlayStation for a number of reasons.

*Some* Switch third party AAA do much better but, pretty much only if it's a game that's tailored for Japan.

Nintendo is by far the number 1 console in Japan.

The only good AAA third party games the Switch got that wasn't a late port was MH Rise and it just sold gangbusters in NA and Japan.

Indies also sell gangbusters on Switch and they're as core as you can get.

There are politics keeping a few serious AAA franchises off of the Switch but I don't see that lasting much longer. Switch is becoming too big.

A Switch GTA or COD would do absolute gangbusters.

MH Rise made it to second place in the US on NPD which is staggering for a single console release, the best selling single console release in Capcom history.

https://venturebeat.com/2021/04/16/march-2021-npd-monster-hunter-rise-sales-soar-to-no-2-in-the-u-s/

A game like COD or, GTA wouldn't sell that well on Switch compared to PlayStation or, Xbox; a big part imo is the fact that their online is barebones and isn't primed for competitive gaming.

There are very successful mainstream games like Fortnite, Apex Legends, Mortal Kombat 11, NBA 2K, FIFA, Crash Bandicoot, Tony Hawk Pro Skater etc. that simply don't do nearly as well compared to PlayStation or, Xbox. People honestly just don't buy the Switch to play those games. MH Rise fits the Switch mold very well in comparison.

PlayStation would be more worried about Final Fantasy 16 releasing on Switch than COD or, GTA.

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@Nonstop-Madness said:
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If they weren't worried about losing COD marketshare to Nintendo, COD would be on Switch. Even the Wii U got COD ports and Switch third party AAA is selling much better. Look at MH Rise, it broke records for Capcom.

I'm not sure that decision has anything to do w/ PlayStation and even if COD were on Switch, it honestly wouldn't perform nearly as well as PlayStation for a number of reasons.

*Some* Switch third party AAA do much better but, pretty much only if it's a game that's tailored for Japan.

Nintendo is by far the number 1 console in Japan.

The only good AAA third party games the Switch got that wasn't a late port was MH Rise and it just sold gangbusters in NA and Japan.

Indies also sell gangbusters on Switch and they're as core as you can get.

There are politics keeping a few serious AAA franchises off of the Switch but I don't see that lasting much longer. Switch is becoming too big.

A Switch GTA or COD would do absolute gangbusters.

MH Rise made it to second place in the US on NPD which is staggering for a single console release, the best selling single console release in Capcom history.

https://venturebeat.com/2021/04/16/march-2021-npd-monster-hunter-rise-sales-soar-to-no-2-in-the-u-s/

A game like COD or, GTA wouldn't sell that well on Switch compared to PlayStation or, Xbox; a big part imo is the fact that their online is barebones and isn't primed for competitive gaming.

There are very successful mainstream games like Fortnite, Apex Legends, Mortal Kombat 11, NBA 2K, FIFA, Crash Bandicoot, Tony Hawk Pro Skater etc. that simply don't do nearly as well compared to PlayStation or, Xbox. People honestly just don't buy the Switch to play those games. MH Rise fits the Switch mold very well in comparison.

PlayStation would be more worried about Final Fantasy 16 releasing on Switch than COD or, GTA.

It would be up to Activision and Take Two to bring COD and GTA to the Switch's online, not Nintendo, and yes they would put up astronomical sales.

The other franchises you listed are B-tier.