Sony Is Taking This Online Pass Thing To Far

[QUOTE="PSP107"]

I just saw today's PSN update and i noticed the PSN of Mod Nation Racers for PSP is $29.99. But if you buy it used or someone lends itto uto borrow or keep, the new owner must pay $15 to access the online feature. No matter how u spin it considering its $29.99 new, thats just wrong.

I mean lets assume Gamestop will charge $24.99 and then add the $15 which comes to $45 + tax which is more than the actual game new.

Is Sony, EA, THq, bulling customers to buy it new?

sanim02

It's a PSP game and they are trying to eliminate piracy. Unlike the consoles, piracy on the PSP is killing the system.

Yeah, let's eliminate piracy by screwing over every legitimate consumer who doesn't buy the game new.

Face it, this is just an extension of EA's Online Pass system, nothing more, nothing less.

[QUOTE="PSP107"]

I just saw today's PSN update and i noticed the PSN of Mod Nation Racers for PSP is $29.99. But if you buy it used or someone lends itto uto borrow or keep, the new owner must pay $15 to access the online feature. No matter how u spin it considering its $29.99 new, thats just wrong.

I mean lets assume Gamestop will charge $24.99 and then add the $15 which comes to $45 + tax which is more than the actual game new.

Is Sony, EA, THq, bulling customers to buy it new?

SolidTy

Then don't buy it Used. Why aren't you supporting Developers and Games you love anyways?

I want certain Movies, TV Shows, Music Artists, and Game Developers to get my money...which is EXACTLY why I intentionally buy new games especially for developers / artists that I want to support.

By supporting them, I'm hopefully ensuring they make more music, Movies, games, etc. If you love a game that JUST came out, go buy it new once in awhile.

GAME Companies get NO MONEY when you buy used, and many companies are struggling, meanwhile GAMESTOP just posted record profits, a Billion+ dollars. Gamestop doesn't even make games, and they are making more than the game creator's.

I don't know if I agree with this particular policy, but I hardly buy used anyways (the occasional rare cIassic PSONe /SNES game or something).

It's up to the consumer to decide how they want to do this, but I don't care so much either way. I can't blame EA, THQ, Sony, Ubisoft or whoever for trying this out, if you saw GAMESTOP making so much money for selling your games at massive profits, you probably would try something out too.

My advice, if ONLINE is important to you, DO NOT BUY IT USED. There are fantastic deals on new games anyways, or just wait to buy it new for CHEAP...again, only if ONLINE is important to you.

These people talk about publishers being greedy but they're just as greedy if not more than these corporations. They want to play every game but don't want to pay the full cost. I wanted to play Valkyria Chronicles from the moment the demo was out but I wasn't willing to pay $60 for it. Did I buy it used? F- no! I waited until it was cheap enough and bought it new for $20 this past january. If you don't feel a game is worth the initial price point then wait, you're not going to die if you don't play it right away.Rockman999

Last time I checked, Disgaea 3 for ps3 is still $100AU over here. And any person will be silly to think that if publishers get rid of the used game markets, new games would drop in price faster. It's even more amusing to see people saying things like you use their severs, you should pay for them; what the difference between person A playing a game for 2 year than person A playing it for 1 year and then person B playing it for another 1?

What I'm trying to say is, many games only drop their original prices because the used game market is pushing it.

I don't know why are people starting to accept these rediculous polices. The only possible and realistic way for the video game industry to grow is to expend the current population of gamers and making things more expensive will not help it, $50 > $60 ?! I'm not cool with that.

Well, if you think about it this might actually have new games dropping in price faster then before. At least from a purely theoretical viewpoint.Ibacai

This does not affect me since I buy all my games new using price comparison websites to help me find the best deals. My personal limit is £19.99 for a game and I am averaging at around £14.99 currently. Good stuff.

I have no problem with companies doing this. You have a choice to buy a new game or a used game. If you buy a used then you have to pay for online if you want to play. Servers cost money to run, if you want to play on THEIR servers then you have to pay them money either through a new purchase of a game or through a used.

People need to get over this entitlement that they should get everything for free.CajunShooter

Last time I checked, Disgaea 3 for ps3 is still $100AU over here. And any person will be silly to think that if publishers get rid of the used game markets, new games would drop in price faster. It's even more amusing to see people saying things like you use their severs, you should pay for them; what the difference between person A playing a game for 2 year than person A playing it for 1 year and then person B playing it for another 1?

What I'm trying to say is, many games only drop their original prices because the used game market is pushing it.

I don't know why are people starting to accept these rediculous polices. The only possible and realistic way for the video game industry to grow is to expend the current population of gamers and making things more expensive will not help it, $50 > $60 ?! I'm not cool with that.

hoplayletsplay

The problem is, that publishers are really greedy.

If they stop the used games market and force all to buy new, it's a given that they will hold consumers to ransom by keeping game prices higher for longer.

From what I notice now, popular games stay more expensive for longer.

I think this is kind of the reason why people turn to piracy, as much as I hate it, publishers can be so stubborn with meeting consumers in the middle with prices, they are so quick to exploit. I'm never going to play pirate games I hate that, but selfish publishers must take responsibility at some point.

I couldn't care less about development costs, that's not my problem, action movies cost more to make then games and because DVD prices are more affordable, they get their money back from the media sales. While i know the situation and how it works isn't the same, similarities are there.

But I can't afford to buy every game at £40. half of them aren't really worth that in the first place. It doesn't mean I don't buy new, but since the used market forces prices down, I can wait until prices for games drop £10 - £15.

If games were released at fairer prices like last gen (£30) there would be less to complain about. The fairest price point in my opinion is £25. I'd pay that for any good game.

Darth_DuMas

Yet with companies introducing online passes and the like, effectively raising the price of a used game to that of a new game, consumers will (hopefully) become pickier and decide to inform themselves before making a purchase. Games that score less than 70% on Metacritic, for example, will become rare as companies now have to uphold a standard for the money they demand.

Also, since you're from the United Kingdom and we are discussing prices and the like, I highly suggest that you utilise all the price comparison websites that we have available in this country. I never buy used and buy none of my games for more than £19.99 and I still can't keep up. Here's a great one, for instance.

i dont see what the big deal is. all the devs out there are making their own form of anti-used games measures, but if you buy something new you're never going to be affected.

PSdual_wielder

Correct me if I'm wrong but Sony is not the only company doing this. EA and THQ just recently said thats how its going to be with their upcoming games.BigBadLanTerN

@Hexagon_777 Bad Company 2 sold 2-3 million units.PSP107

Ouch sounds harsh ...

I really wish devs would just make longer games to be honest. This gen has been filled with games I can, and have beat in a sitting. UC1,UC2,Gears 1 and 2, GOW3, Splinter Cell etc.

Fair enough some of them have multiplayer, but honestly the singleplayer was the main draw in UC2,Splinter Cell etc.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

PSP107 - "I just saw today's PSN update and i noticed the PSN of Mod Nation Racers for PSP is $29.99.But if you buy it usedor someone lends itto uto borrow or keep, the new owner must pay $15 to access the online feature. No matter how u spin it considering its $29.99 new, thats just wrong.

I mean lets assume Gamestop will charge $24.99 and then add the $15 which comes to $45 + tax which is more than the actual game new.

Is Sony, EA, THq, bulling customers to buy it new?"

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Then don't buy it Used. Why aren't you supporting Developers and Games you love anyways?

I want certain Movies, TV Shows, Music Artists, and Game Developers to get my money...which is EXACTLY why I intentionally buy new games especially for developers / artists that I want to support.

By supporting them, I'm hopefully ensuring they make more music, Movies, games, etc. If you love a game that JUST came out, go buy it new once in awhile.

GAME Companies get NO MONEY when you buy used, and many companies are struggling, meanwhile GAMESTOP just posted record profits, a Billion+ dollars. Gamestop doesn't even make games, and they are making more than the game creator's.

I don't know if I agree with this particular policy, but I hardly buy used anyways (the occasional rare cIassic PSONe /SNES game or something).

It's up to the consumer to decide how they want to do this, but I don't care so much either way. I can't blame EA, THQ, Sony, Ubisoft or whoever for trying this out, if you saw GAMESTOP making so much money for selling your games at massive profits, you probably would try something out too.

My advice, if ONLINE is important to you, DO NOT BUY IT USED. There are fantastic deals on new games anyways, or just wait to buy it new for CHEAP...again, only if ONLINE is important to you.

Rockman999

Quite right, good buddy. Nothing wrong with waiting, and the money still went to your favorite developer in the end.

[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

PSP107 - "I just saw today's PSN update and i noticed the PSN of Mod Nation Racers for PSP is $29.99.But if you buy it usedor someone lends itto uto borrow or keep, the new owner must pay $15 to access the online feature. No matter how u spin it considering its $29.99 new, thats just wrong.

I mean lets assume Gamestop will charge $24.99 and then add the $15 which comes to $45 + tax which is more than the actual game new.

Is Sony, EA, THq, bulling customers to buy it new?"

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Then don't buy it Used. Why aren't you supporting Developers and Games you love anyways?

I want certain Movies, TV Shows, Music Artists, and Game Developers to get my money...which is EXACTLY why I intentionally buy new games especially for developers / artists that I want to support.

By supporting them, I'm hopefully ensuring they make more music, Movies, games, etc. If you love a game that JUST came out, go buy it new once in awhile.

GAME Companies get NO MONEY when you buy used, and many companies are struggling, meanwhile GAMESTOP just posted record profits, a Billion+ dollars. Gamestop doesn't even make games, and they are making more than the game creator's.

I don't know if I agree with this particular policy, but I hardly buy used anyways (the occasional rare cIassic PSONe /SNES game or something).

It's up to the consumer to decide how they want to do this, but I don't care so much either way. I can't blame EA, THQ, Sony, Ubisoft or whoever for trying this out, if you saw GAMESTOP making so much money for selling your games at massive profits, you probably would try something out too.

My advice, if ONLINE is important to you, DO NOT BUY IT USED. There are fantastic deals on new games anyways, or just wait to buy it new for CHEAP...again, only if ONLINE is important to you.

SolidTy

Quite right, good buddy. Nothing wrong with waiting, and the money still went to your favorite developer in the end.

Except it didn't ... 100% of the money went to the shop he bought it from. Thedevs already made there money from that game when they sold it to the shop.

Waiting a couple months for a game to lower in price dosen't help the developer either ... Shops only drop game prices when sales are slow, meaning that if he's wated for a game to drop significantly, then demand for said game must be very low, so shops like Gamespot will be very reluctant to stock anymore of the aforementioned game.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"] These people talk about publishers being greedy but they're just as greedy if not more than these corporations. They want to play every game but don't want to pay the full cost. I wanted to play Valkyria Chronicles from the moment the demo was out but I wasn't willing to pay $60 for it. Did I buy it used? F- no! I waited until it was cheap enough and bought it new for $20 this past january. If you don't feel a game is worth the initial price point then wait, you're not going to die if you don't play it right away.-Snooze-

Quite right, good buddy. Nothing wrong with waiting, and the money still went to your favorite developer in the end.

Except it didn't ... 100% of the money went to the shop he bought it from. Thedevs already made there money from that game when they sold it to the shop.

Waiting a couple months for a game to lower in price dosen't help the developer either ... Shops only drop game prices when sales are slow, meaning that if he's wated for a game to drop significantly, then demand for said game must be very low, so shops like Gamespot will be very reluctant to stock anymore of the aforementioned game.

If it's an active game sku, they are still going to stock it, and continue to restock it. Granted, they won't do that for every game, but for most of them they do continue to stock up and re order the games from the publisher. This is what GS has done in the past, and will continue to do in the future.

Part of GS's market is trying to get as many games they can fit into their stores as possible, including cheaper new titles as well. They still care more cheaper titles, greatest hits titles, etc brand new, and they continue to reorder them.

No matter what, that shop still has to order more copies, and the dev gets paid when the reorder comes in...it goes like this for years.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Quite right, good buddy. Nothing wrong with waiting, and the money still went to your favorite developer in the end.

SolidTy

Except it didn't ... 100% of the money went to the shop he bought it from. Thedevs already made there money from that game when they sold it to the shop.

Waiting a couple months for a game to lower in price dosen't help the developer either ... Shops only drop game prices when sales are slow, meaning that if he's wated for a game to drop significantly, then demand for said game must be very low, so shops like Gamespot will be very reluctant to stock anymore of the aforementioned game.

If it's an active game, they are still going to stock it. Granted, they won't do that for every game, but for of them they do and they have.That shop still has to order more, and the dev gets paid.

How fast to actively selling game reduce in price? Not very unless it's a special offer for a week or something. Look at MW2, it's still selling for close to full price.

A game like Valkyria Chronicles hasn't got the shelf life to sustain profits for a developer if the buyer waits for it to drop in price.

Honestly,I think developers and publishers needs to up there game, stop complaining and stop making it harder for legit buyers to want to support them

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Except it didn't ... 100% of the money went to the shop he bought it from. Thedevs already made there money from that game when they sold it to the shop.

Waiting a couple months for a game to lower in price dosen't help the developer either ... Shops only drop game prices when sales are slow, meaning that if he's wated for a game to drop significantly, then demand for said game must be very low, so shops like Gamespot will be very reluctant to stock anymore of the aforementioned game.

-Snooze-

If it's an active game sku, they are still going to stock it, and continue to restock it. Granted, they won't do that for every game, but for most of them they do continue to stock up and re order the games from the publisher. This is what GS has done in the past, and will continue to do in the future.

Part of GS's market is trying to get as many games they can fit into their stores as possible, including cheaper new titles as well. They still care more cheaper titles, greatest hits titles, etc brand new, and they continue to reorder them.

No matter what, that shop still has to order more copies, and the dev gets paid when the reorder comes in...it goes like this for years.

How fast to actively selling game reduce in price? Not very unless it's a special offer for a week or something. Look at MW2, it's still selling for close to full price.

A game like Valkyria Chronicles hasn't got the shelf life to sustain profits for a developer if the buyer waits for it to drop in price.

Honestly,I think developers and publishers needs to up there game, stop complaining and stop making it harder for legit buyers to want to support them

MW2 is a better success story than VC, for sure. Yes, it's true that more popular games are more profitable, and have longer lasting high price tags.

As far as up their game, what do you propose?

The entire purpose is to coerce people into buying new. In the end this will hurt both consumers and retailers and will likely eventually backfire on the publisher/developers as well.

Ginosaji

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]I have no problem with companies doing this. You have a choice to buy a new game or a used game. If you buy a used then you have to pay for online if you want to play. Servers cost money to run, if you want to play on THEIR servers then you have to pay them money either through a new purchase of a game or through a used.

People need to get over this entitlement that they should get everything for free.Hexagon_777

I'm not arguing your point, but most of this used game nonsense is just plain greed on the publishers part, here's why. Let's just use a small number say EA sells 547 copies of battlefield 13 at $60 each. Even with the used market the most copies that will ever be out there is 547 copies. It's not like the used market creates extra copies of a game. So if they already made their $60 off of the game then they already made their money, and since there are 547 legitimate copies of the game out there, it would not be taking up any more server resources. It would still be the exact same amount as if all the original new purchasers were playing online.

Could they have maybe sold 610 copies if there was no used game market...possibly, but chances are those additional people would not have paid full price anyway. They either would not have bought the game, or they would have waited for a price drop.

I mean seriously this whole used game surcharge is the same as General Motors saying if you buy a used car we will disable it with our OnStar service unless you pay us a $1500 charge. This fee is because the used car market cuts into our profits of selling a new car. Would you be willing to pay this on your next car. What if BMW, Lexus, Honda, etc followed suit, just because it worked for GM?

On a side note, my comments are not to defend Game stop's crazy sell a used game for $5 less than a new game policy. I'm more concerned with selling stuff on Ebay or Craig's list. Game Stop's policy is a complete rip off and no one should buy a used game for only $5 less than a new game...why would you? Pay the extra $5 and get a warranty and a brand new sealed copy. To me it's worth $5 just to not have to peel those stupid stickers off.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

If it's an active game sku, they are still going to stock it, and continue to restock it. Granted, they won't do that for every game, but for most of them they do continue to stock up and re order the games from the publisher. This is what GS has done in the past, and will continue to do in the future.

Part of GS's market is trying to get as many games they can fit into their stores as possible, including cheaper new titles as well. They still care more cheaper titles, greatest hits titles, etc brand new, and they continue to reorder them.

No matter what, that shop still has to order more copies, and the dev gets paid when the reorder comes in...it goes like this for years.

SolidTy

How fast to actively selling game reduce in price? Not very unless it's a special offer for a week or something. Look at MW2, it's still selling for close to full price.

A game like Valkyria Chronicles hasn't got the shelf life to sustain profits for a developer if the buyer waits for it to drop in price.

Honestly,I think developers and publishers needs to up there game, stop complaining and stop making it harder for legit buyers to want to support them

MW2 is a better success story than VC, for sure. Yes, it's true that more popular games are more profitable, and have longer lasting high price tags.

As far as up their game, what do you propose?

Lining them with heroin?

I think the DLC route is a good one, not crappy things like a few extra maps, but full blown expansions ala Dragon age.

This being only temporary until Direct Download takes of in 5 or so years.

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]

Yeah I dont like this at all. Devs need to stop complaining about used sales. Maybe if they made games that lasted more then 6 hours and werent so expensive (like the good ol days) then maybe more people would buy new.

What good ol days are you referring to? As I recall games were super short and just as expensive in the "good ol days"

What good ol days are you referring to? As I recall games were super short and just as expensive in the "good ol days"

W1NGMAN-

I remember walking into Sams Club in the day and picking up new PC games for $30 which lasted way longer then the games of today. Then again multi player wasn't a big thing back then due to the internet sucking lol.

Only games that cost tons of money were cartridge based games. Disc/floppy were extremely cheap.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

What good ol days are you referring to? As I recall games were super short and just as expensive in the "good ol days"

I remember walking into Sams Club in the day and picking up new PC games for $30 which lasted way longer then the games of today. Then again multi player wasn't a big thing back then due to the internet sucking lol.

Only games that cost tons of money were cartridge based games. Disc/floppy were extremely cheap.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

What good ol days are you referring to? As I recall games were super short and just as expensive in the "good ol days"

I remember walking into Sams Club in the day and picking up new PC games for $30 which lasted way longer then the games of today. Then again multi player wasn't a big thing back then due to the internet sucking lol.

Only games that cost tons of money were cartridge based games. Disc/floppy were extremely cheap.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"]

Rockman999

lol! yeah... how dare people look out for their own finances instead of helping fund these giant corporations :roll:

[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

PSP107 - "I just saw today's PSN update and i noticed the PSN of Mod Nation Racers for PSP is $29.99.But if you buy it usedor someone lends itto uto borrow or keep, the new owner must pay $15 to access the online feature. No matter how u spin it considering its $29.99 new, thats just wrong.

I mean lets assume Gamestop will charge $24.99 and then add the $15 which comes to $45 + tax which is more than the actual game new.

Is Sony, EA, THq, bulling customers to buy it new?"

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Then don't buy it Used. Why aren't you supporting Developers and Games you love anyways?

I want certain Movies, TV Shows, Music Artists, and Game Developers to get my money...which is EXACTLY why I intentionally buy new games especially for developers / artists that I want to support.

By supporting them, I'm hopefully ensuring they make more music, Movies, games, etc. If you love a game that JUST came out, go buy it new once in awhile.

GAME Companies get NO MONEY when you buy used, and many companies are struggling, meanwhile GAMESTOP just posted record profits, a Billion+ dollars. Gamestop doesn't even make games, and they are making more than the game creator's.

I don't know if I agree with this particular policy, but I hardly buy used anyways (the occasional rare cIassic PSONe /SNES game or something).

It's up to the consumer to decide how they want to do this, but I don't care so much either way. I can't blame EA, THQ, Sony, Ubisoft or whoever for trying this out, if you saw GAMESTOP making so much money for selling your games at massive profits, you probably would try something out too.

My advice, if ONLINE is important to you, DO NOT BUY IT USED. There are fantastic deals on new games anyways, or just wait to buy it new for CHEAP...again, only if ONLINE is important to you.

SolidTy

Quite right, good buddy. Nothing wrong with waiting, and the money still went to your favorite developer in the end.

If you're so concerned with supporting the developers, you would buy the game at $60 instead of waiting for a price drop.

You can't sit there and argue about supporting the devs, then turn around and wait for a game to hit the bargain bin so you can get the feel-goods when you say you technically bought it new. How much of that money do you really think the publisher gets from that $20 you spent? At a full $60 price tag, they get something like $35 off every sale. You're cutting into their profits just as badly as every person that buys a used game.

That is, of course, assuming that used games actually cut into the new game sales. Considering there's zero proof that it does, and a bit of proof that it doesn't, that's what I'm likely to believe.

If you're so concerned with supporting the developers, you would buy the game at $60 instead of waiting for a price drop.

You can't sit there and argue about supporting the devs, then turn around and wait for a game to hit the bargain bin so you can get the feel-goods when you say you technically bought it new. How much of that money do you really think the publisher gets from that $20 you spent? At a full $60 price tag, they get something like $35 off every sale. You're cutting into their profits just as badly as every person that buys a used game.

That is, of course, assuming that used games actually cut into the new game sales. Considering there's zero proof that it does, and a bit of proof that it doesn't, that's what I'm likely to believe.

Greyfeld

I also feel there is a need for the used game market but publishers are going to try their best to eradicate it unless they get a part of the profit from used game sales which IMO is the way to go. Consumers should win in the end.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

If you're so concerned with supporting the developers, you would buy the game at $60 instead of waiting for a price drop.

You can't sit there and argue about supporting the devs, then turn around and wait for a game to hit the bargain bin so you can get the feel-goods when you say you technically bought it new. How much of that money do you really think the publisher gets from that $20 you spent? At a full $60 price tag, they get something like $35 off every sale. You're cutting into their profits just as badly as every person that buys a used game.

That is, of course, assuming that used games actually cut into the new game sales. Considering there's zero proof that it does, and a bit of proof that it doesn't, that's what I'm likely to believe.

exiledsnake

I also feel there is a need for the used game market but publishers are going to try their best to eradicate it unless they get a part of the profit from used game sales which IMO is the way to go. Consumers should win in the end.

so then the Retailer would be the one losing out.... since they paid wholesale but are selling it for less than that

maybe its me, but i dont like companies infringing on my consumer rights for the sole purpose of their own profits

Yeah I dont like this at all. Devs need to stop complaining about used sales. Maybe if they made games that lasted more then 6 hours and werent so expensive (like the good ol days) then maybe more people would buy new.

Respawn-d

Haha...Word dude, way to say it!

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

If you're so concerned with supporting the developers, you would buy the game at $60 instead of waiting for a price drop.

You can't sit there and argue about supporting the devs, then turn around and wait for a game to hit the bargain bin so you can get the feel-goods when you say you technically bought it new. How much of that money do you really think the publisher gets from that $20 you spent? At a full $60 price tag, they get something like $35 off every sale. You're cutting into their profits just as badly as every person that buys a used game.

That is, of course, assuming that used games actually cut into the new game sales. Considering there's zero proof that it does, and a bit of proof that it doesn't, that's what I'm likely to believe.

ogvampire

I also feel there is a need for the used game market but publishers are going to try their best to eradicate it unless they get a part of the profit from used game sales which IMO is the way to go. Consumers should win in the end.

so then the Retailer would be the one losing out.... since they paid wholesale but are selling it for less than that

maybe its me, but i dont like companies infringing on my consumer rights for the sole purpose of their own profits

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"] You do know that retailers have already paid the publishers for the game(wholesale price) so even if you buy a game at a bargain the publisher still gets their money. No proof that used game sales affects new? Competition always affects sales. What used games do for retailers is that they dont have to go back to the publisher to restock instead they can buy it off willing gamers for a much lower price.

I also feel there is a need for the used game market but publishers are going to try their best to eradicate it unless they get a part of the profit from used game sales which IMO is the way to go. Consumers should win in the end.

exiledsnake

so then the Retailer would be the one losing out.... since they paid wholesale but are selling it for less than that

maybe its me, but i dont like companies infringing on my consumer rights for the sole purpose of their own profits

yup, thats my main problem with these 'passes'...

They're playing by the rules. When you buy used you setup the rules to be that you will screw the other person as hard as possible. Sony is playing by those rules and screwing you as hard as possible. Sounds like a fair trade imo.

I like to support the people who make good games so this won't have any impact on me.

[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"]

They need the money more than we do.

Jelley0

Yes, multi million dollar companys need money than an average person.

My thing is if i pay for one of these "passes" how long do the servers stay online cause imo they should stay on indefinitely or give me my money back since i have paid foior access to that aspect of the game your asking me about

They're playing by the rules. When you buy used you setup the rules to be that you will screw the other person as hard as possible. Sony is playing by those rules and screwing you as hard as possible. Sounds like a fair trade imo.

I like to support the people who make good games so this won't have any impact on me.

[QUOTE="Jelley0"]

[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"]

They need the money more than we do.

Senor_Kami

Yes, multi million dollar companys need money than an average person.

their revenue was over $3.5billion last year, yet they lost over $600million... looks like their main problem is the management of their own finances... i seriously doubt used sales were the cause of this

plus EA isnt helping themselves... they bring out yearly sports games... do they expect people to not do anything with the older games when the new versions come out?

They're playing by the rules. When you buy used you setup the rules to be that you will screw the other person as hard as possible. Sony is playing by those rules and screwing you as hard as possible. Sounds like a fair trade imo.

I like to support the people who make good games so this won't have any impact on me.

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They need the money more than we do.

Senor_Kami

Yes, multi million dollar companys need money than an average person.

Lost over $500m on what? Are we just looking at numbers and trying to assign blame?

I still have seen zero proof that used game sales hurt the market.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]There were no "good ol' days". I bought Pac Man the day it came out on the Atari 2600 at JC Penny for $50. You do the math...Respawn-d

Wow..

50 $$ back then is like probably close to 70 dollars now, if not more.

So ya, you got it pretty easy.

You do know that retailers have already paid the publishers for the game(wholesale price) so even if you buy a game at a bargain the publisher still gets their money.

exiledsnake

Which means it doesn't matter if it was bought used either, because the publisher already got their money.

No proof that used game sales affects new? Competition always affects sales. What used games do for retailers is that they dont have to go back to the publisher to restock instead they can buy it off willing gamers for a much lower price.exiledsnake

Feel free to take a quick read of this article. And before you say "But that's books, not games! It's different!" keep in mind that books are also a form of media and entertainment, as well as going through the same steps of release (developer -> publisher -> shelf).

I also feel there is a need for the used game market but publishers are going to try their best to eradicate it unless they get a part of the profit from used game sales which IMO is the way to go. Consumers should win in the end.exiledsnake

I believe that eliminating the used game market would hurt everybody in the long run. The reason they won't go after the retailers, is because the publishers can't collect off sales without a middle man. P2P sales, ebay, craigslist... it can't be contained. So instead, they're going after the consumers, whilst doing their best to spread the lie that used sales hurt the industry, so that consumers will accept the changes with minimal resistance.

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Yeah I dont like this at all. Devs need to stop complaining about used sales. Maybe if they made games that lasted more then 6 hours and werent so expensive (like the good ol days) then maybe more people would buy new.

Respawn-d

What good ol days are you referring to? As I recall games were super short and just as expensive in the "good ol days"

I paid $65 for Zelda which was like what 20 years ago? Ya, do a little research on the good ol days and you'll realize games havn't been touched by inflation like 99% of everything you buy.

I wouldn't say its "too far." They don't make money from used sales, so why shouldn't they want people to pay them for something instead of a second party?