Sony is the Next Nintendo

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]:lol: I mentioned Gears because I couldnt think of any other high profile MS exclusives.

Wow even the most staunch MS hater would admit that halo redifned what was possible for FPS on consoles which is why I chose Halo.

Keep trying, youre not making progress but your struggle to achieve 'logic' is amusing

Zaibach

i agree with you, i obviously aren't making any progress by trying to achieve something resembling logic from you.

What was i thinking by assuming you could actually think before typing your nonsense.

Your hypocrisy is as obvious as your love for sony.

You ramble on and on about logic, yet you dont give any point as to what 'logic' youre trying to acheive, you just call me a sony fanboy and run away, So I guess maybe you should walk away, because we certainly we wont be meeting Half-way

What more points are there to disprove? Im not sure what your talking about. Because from the way i see it, Your simply being hypocritical and biased. So far your points have been very weak, your calling MS games like gears of war and halo rashes, while at the same time trying to prove that GoW and Uncharted are different?

When i called you out on it, you replied that Uncharted is different because it got released this gen? Well that sure makes sense, because Gears didn't, right? And your defending GoW because it defines a type of genre? As opposite to Halo?

Seems to me like you didn't think this through, and therefor had to make up excuses as to why the situation is different.

You would have done a better job by simply stating its you biased opinion, rather then making up excuses that dont have any sort of logic behind them.

You failed once before to make an valid argument, and thats the only reason im acting as i am. I am merely a mirror of your weak arguments. You cant expect me to make arguments for your points and for mine, just because you cant fulfil the jobb.

Sorry KevinButler but it looks like the mass has spoken with a very big "NO" to your idea. Better luck next generation? ;)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]As much as I agree with the first part of your post, you do know that the new school of Nintendo consists of trying to gain casuals with the Wiimote. Of all the Wii games, only 1(I count the series as 1) game , SMG, has been deemed in the Hall of Fame. The Wii has been focused on kiddy games and no new IPs. The DS was a great system, but once again, it consisted of Mario and Zelda. Miyamoto produced great work, but wheres the originality now? No new franchises, no new universes, its the same Nintendo, and thats not always a good thing.

I mean, Sony is nowhere near Nintendo in "magic " yet. But with its variety in genres:

Platformers:LBP

Action/Adventure:God of War

TPS:Uncharted

Racing:Gran Turismo

Unique:Flower

Stealth:MGS

It could be in "years".

I also notice that you said games now are appealing to the Western Market. Though that may be true, have you notice Japan taking an interest in these types of games as well? Japan loves LBP and Uncharted, and they also can't wait for more. The US isnt the only country who loves bBooming and Shooming everything :D.

Besides, if you never played Nintendo games before, wouldn't the thought of an Italian Plumber stopping a giant turtle/dinosaur wierd? Or a elven fairy boy killing a black giant pig?

TrapJak

I've played enough Nintendo and Sony games from recent and past generations to know that Nintendo still have it and Sony really doesn't have the "Nintendo it" at all. (Sony have their own style that is great and I respect just as all companies but being the next Nintendo is just flat out not realistic at all). As far as Japan loving LBP and Uncharted, Japan really doesn't love much of anything that isn't MH, FF, KH, Pokemon, Layton etc in a select few series and then RPGs. Selling under 100k units is not "love" by any means in Japan.

As for the idea that SMG is the only hall of fame Wii game, I disagree. There have been a ton of Nintendo classic like games this gen. Sin and Punishment 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Smash Bros, Galaxy 1 and 2. You only get a couple true classics from Nintendo a gen. The SNES had Super Metroid, Yoshi's Island, SMW and A Link to the Past. That's it, 4 games, they had other great games but none that you get the unanimous classic result on. As far as appealing to "casuals" I am done entertaining that mindset. Its just silly. Not every game ever will be directed solely towards self proclaimed gamers especially with how much the PS1 and PS2 grew the industry. That's just reality. There is nothing less kiddy about Mario when I was 5 then right now when I'm 19. They have lots of new IPs too and this gen they revived lots of old ones on disappearance like Kirby, sin and Punishment and Punchout.

Nintendo magic consisted of games where gameplay was king and crafting some "cinematic" was not the goal or the focus. You listed me games that literally do the opposite of atleast one of those aspects and a game not published by Sony. If you didn't grow up with Nintendo you wouldn't have much of an idea about what was weird in gaming or you would already have seen far weirder things in other companies games. LBP is sock puppets doing who knows what, MGS is beyond ridiculous (and not sony) and GoW is an angry painted bald man doing ridiculous acts of violence just because. You can simplify most games not based on reality down to anything ridiculous.

But really back on point, SMG is closer to Yoshi's Island then LBP will ever be. This is one example, I could make many more to make this point.

And? I understand people love new shiny things but a great game is a great game. Any other modifier you put on it is just missing the point.

As far as Sony bringing new games to the table I don't exactly get why that really matters. I don't know about you but I put games in 2 categories, things i want to play and things I don't. You don't need to be in new (or old) to get into that category. You just need to find a way to get me into that mind set. Its different with other people but that's why you can't make a statement like "MORE new ips = automatically better". That's neither true for everyone nor a fair and well thought out statement.

[QUOTE="DrWin"] Actually the PS3 has more AA+ games, at least on Metacritic. It also has more excluisves, it also has more GOTY winners, and more best graphics on consoles award winners. Saying the 360 has a better library according to critical reception is a lie. PAL360

Dude, again, you are free to prefer PS3 games, exclusives, graphics, art directions, etc but it´s not more than your opinion. Graphics wise, i would say both consoles are about on par. The only visual diference between games like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, etc are their art directions.

Like i said, you may also prefer PS3 library but it doesnt change the fact than 360 has alot more high scoring games according to critics. You used metacritic as example. Well, going by that site 360 has 120 A+ games over PS3:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/xbox360/metascore?view=condensed

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps3/metascore?view=condensed

[QUOTE="DrWin"] Actually the PS3 has more AA+ games, at least on Metacritic. It also has more excluisves, it also has more GOTY winners, and more best graphics on consoles award winners. Saying the 360 has a better library according to critical reception is a lie. PAL360

Dude, again, you are free to prefer PS3 games, exclusives, graphics, art directions, etc but it´s not more than your opinion. Graphics wise, i would say both consoles are about on par. The only visual diference between games like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, etc are their art directions.

Like i said, you may also prefer PS3 library but it doesnt change the fact than 360 has alot more high scoring games according to critics. You used metacritic as example. Well, going by that site 360 has 120 A+ games over PS3:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/xbox360/metascore?view=condensed

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps3/metascore?view=condensed

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] Actually the PS3 has more AA+ games, at least on Metacritic. It also has more excluisves, it also has more GOTY winners, and more best graphics on consoles award winners. Saying the 360 has a better library according to critical reception is a lie. DrWin

Dude, again, you are free to prefer PS3 games, exclusives, graphics, art directions, etc but it´s not more than your opinion. Graphics wise, i would say both consoles are about on par. The only visual diference between games like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, etc are their art directions.

Like i said, you may also prefer PS3 library but it doesnt change the fact than 360 has alot more high scoring games according to critics. You used metacritic as example. Well, going by that site 360 has 120 A+ games over PS3:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/xbox360/metascore?view=condensed

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps3/metascore?view=condensed

The majority of gamers play more then just games with the arbitrary "AA" status.

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Dude, again, you are free to prefer PS3 games, exclusives, graphics, art directions, etc but it´s not more than your opinion. Graphics wise, i would say both consoles are about on par. The only visual diference between games like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, etc are their art directions.

Like i said, you may also prefer PS3 library but it doesnt change the fact than 360 has alot more high scoring games according to critics. You used metacritic as example. Well, going by that site 360 has 120 A+ games over PS3:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/xbox360/metascore?view=condensed

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps3/metascore?view=condensed

ActicEdge

The majority of gamers play more then just games with the arbitrary "AA" status.

Nintendo is doing what they've always done. Make titles and platforms that appeal to the masses, put gameplay first and innovate.Sony appealed to the masses with the PS1 and PS2 and decided to narrow their market with the PS3.

Also I don't think I'd call any Sony IP a cIassic or as influential as any Nintendo IPs have been. Sony really needs to find their identity next generation, because right now I don't know what the PS3 is. Is it that "other FPS" console? Is it that "other motion control" console? Because that's what I see right now and that's always been a weak point with the PS3. It has no identity for itself and most of the games don't have their own identity except for a select few.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] I know for a fact the PS3 has more AA+ games at Metacritic including multiplats. I'm pretty sure your stats are counting DLC and arcade titles as equal to retail games and I can't agree with that method of camparison. I'll even try to make a AA+ camparison with all the games on each platform. Not today though cause that'll probably take a while. According to high scoring titles, 80+ The PS3 has a bigger library, it also has more exclusives, GOTY winners and best graphics on consoles awards. So according to critics the PS3 has the better library, even if the 360 has the bigger library no? DrWin

The majority of gamers play more then just games with the arbitrary "AA" status.

ITs actually 100% relevant. You can't simply say, the cut off for good games that add to a systems library is so and so arbitrary number. That's neither accurate or logical. Its also not a lie either. The amount of software sold for most systems probably isn't 51% games with "+80%" scores and 49% the rest.

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The majority of gamers play more then just games with the arbitrary "AA" status.

ActicEdge

ITs actually 100% relevant. You can't simply say, the cut off for good games that add to a systems library is so and so arbitrary number. That's neither accurate or logical. Its also not a lie either. The amount of software sold for most systems probably isn't 51% games with "+80%" scores and 49% the rest.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i agree with you, i obviously aren't making any progress by trying to achieve something resembling logic from you.

What was i thinking by assuming you could actually think before typing your nonsense.

Your hypocrisy is as obvious as your love for sony.

Half-Way

You ramble on and on about logic, yet you dont give any point as to what 'logic' youre trying to acheive, you just call me a sony fanboy and run away, So I guess maybe you should walk away, because we certainly we wont be meeting Half-way

What more points are there to disprove? Im not sure what your talking about. Because from the way i see it, Your simply being hypocritical and biased. So far your points have been very weak, your calling MS games like gears of war and halo rashes, while at the same time trying to prove that GoW and Uncharted are different?

When i called you out on it, you replied that Uncharted is different because it got released this gen? Well that sure makes sense, because Gears didn't, right? And your defending GoW because it defines a type of genre? As opposite to Halo?

Seems to me like you didn't think this through, and therefor had to make up excuses as to why the situation is different.

You would have done a better job by simply stating its you biased opinion, rather then making up excuses that dont have any sort of logic behind them.

You failed once before to make an valid argument, and thats the only reason im acting as i am. I am merely a mirror of your weak arguments. You cant expect me to make arguments for your points and for mine, just because you cant fulfil the jobb.

I never made any excuses about how they were different, I dont have to, the impetous of this thread was to show how Sony are or arent like NINTENDO, you know that company that kept gaming afloat for a decade, but have become too reliant on on 3 IPs to coast them through.

I drew a similar pattern to MS as of Late;

I used gears because its a well known exclusive and one of the very few I could come up with, and the fact that it was meant to release march this year but was pushed back to the Holidays so that MS could an exclusive to show besides Forza this fall made it an eligible candidate for my example.

I chose Halo becase its MS's crutch game, that they fall on when there's an almighty drought, it saved the xbox (sort of) and its having its 5th outing , sixth if the anniversary edition is to be counted. But hey even Sony does that so lets say 5 releases.

So what about uncharted its 3 games now, soon to be 4 now, right?

yes, but you see, even if uncharted 3 gets canned and deosnt get released, guess what, there are tons on of other exclusives, R3, Twisted metal, the last guardian, versus 13, starhawk etc,

I hope you now understand the over-arching point of my argument, even if you take away the uncharted theres still tons to get excited about. barring multiplats, taking away Halo and gears is like taking away mario and zelda, thankfully both are great franchises and keep pulling in the cheddar

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] That's 100% irrelevant to this discussion though. Edit: Plus I doubt the majority of gamers spends the majority of their gaming time playing games that scored below 80 at metacritic. I'd bet my left leg that's a lie. DrWin

ITs actually 100% relevant. You can't simply say, the cut off for good games that add to a systems library is so and so arbitrary number. That's neither accurate or logical. Its also not a lie either. The amount of software sold for most systems probably isn't 51% games with "+80%" scores and 49% the rest.

An award winning type game isn't a qualifier for adding to a library though. every game adds to a library and games that may not win awrds or get 80+ averages can still be a big part of a systems library. People play more then AA+ games, how you or me sort them doesn't change that. Exclusive or multiplatform doesn't change that, downloable or disk doesn't change that.

Nintendo is doing what they've always done. Make titles and platforms that appeal to the masses, put gameplay first and innovate.Sony appealed to the masses with the PS1 and PS2 and decided to narrow their market with the PS3.

Also I don't think I'd call any Sony IP a cIassic or as influential as any Nintendo IPs have been. Sony really needs to find their identity next generation, because right now I don't know what the PS3 is. Is it that "other FPS" console? Is it that "other motion control" console? Because that's what I see right now and that's always been a weak point with the PS3. It has no identity for itself and most of the games don't have their own identity except for a select few.

Haziqonfire

Isnt it a little bit narrow minded to make a console for 1 specific genre?

And what would you class as a game with 'identity'?

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Nintendo is doing what they've always done. Make titles and platforms that appeal to the masses, put gameplay first and innovate.Sony appealed to the masses with the PS1 and PS2 and decided to narrow their market with the PS3.

Also I don't think I'd call any Sony IP a cIassic or as influential as any Nintendo IPs have been. Sony really needs to find their identity next generation, because right now I don't know what the PS3 is. Is it that "other FPS" console? Is it that "other motion control" console? Because that's what I see right now and that's always been a weak point with the PS3. It has no identity for itself and most of the games don't have their own identity except for a select few.

Zaibach

Isnt it a little bit narrow minded to make a console for 1 specific genre?

And what would you class as a game with 'identity'?

No. I don;t think Haziq means that the system should be one thing. I think he's saying the system lack an identity as the system you go to for certain games and tastes. He's saying its all over the place, doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it ends up being weaker then the competition at everything it tries. If you love JRPGs, you know that the PSP and the DS are a good place to start, they have other great games as well but they should help your initial priority. If you love platformers you know the Wii is a solid choice. If you love shooters and sports you know that the 360 fits that bill and does it best (or PC for shooter if you wanna be annoying :P ). With the PS3 though, it doesn't really excel in giving me a reason to buy it or what its all about. Its got shooters but they aren't the top tier stuff that this gens gamers lgo crazy for, its got platformers but their still beaten by Nintendo's efforts, its got JRPGs but they aren't very comparable to the DS and PSP let alone older gens. I think that's his idea. What is Resistance's reason to exist? What does it want to do, to craft, to get the player to explore and understand? I think that's his point.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

Nintendo is doing what they've always done. Make titles and platforms that appeal to the masses, put gameplay first and innovate.Sony appealed to the masses with the PS1 and PS2 and decided to narrow their market with the PS3.

Also I don't think I'd call any Sony IP a cIassic or as influential as any Nintendo IPs have been. Sony really needs to find their identity next generation, because right now I don't know what the PS3 is. Is it that "other FPS" console? Is it that "other motion control" console? Because that's what I see right now and that's always been a weak point with the PS3. It has no identity for itself and most of the games don't have their own identity except for a select few.

ActicEdge

Isnt it a little bit narrow minded to make a console for 1 specific genre?

And what would you class as a game with 'identity'?

No. I don;t think Haziq means that the system should be one thing. I think he's saying the system lack an identity as the system you go to for certain games and tastes. He's saying its all over the place, doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it ends up being weaker then the competition at everything it tries. If you love JRPGs, you know that the PSP and the DS are a good place to start, they have other great games as well but they should help your initial priority. If you love platformers you know the Wii is a solid choice. If you love shooters and sports you know that the 360 fits that bill and does it best (or PC for shooter if you wanna be annoying :P ). With the PS3 though, it doesn't really excel in giving me a reason to buy it or what its all about. Its got shooters but they aren't the top tier stuff that this gens gamers lgo crazy for, its got platformers but their still beaten by Nintendo's efforts, its got JRPGs but they aren't very comparable to the DS and PSP let alone older gens. I think that's his idea. What is Resistance's reason to exist? What does it want to do, to craft, to get the player to explore and understand? I think that's his point.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]does it have to be either?

Isnt it a little bit narrow minded to make a console for 1 specific genre?

And what would you class as a game with 'identity'?

Zaibach

No. I don;t think Haziq means that the system should be one thing. I think he's saying the system lack an identity as the system you go to for certain games and tastes. He's saying its all over the place, doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it ends up being weaker then the competition at everything it tries. If you love JRPGs, you know that the PSP and the DS are a good place to start, they have other great games as well but they should help your initial priority. If you love platformers you know the Wii is a solid choice. If you love shooters and sports you know that the 360 fits that bill and does it best (or PC for shooter if you wanna be annoying :P ). With the PS3 though, it doesn't really excel in giving me a reason to buy it or what its all about. Its got shooters but they aren't the top tier stuff that this gens gamers lgo crazy for, its got platformers but their still beaten by Nintendo's efforts, its got JRPGs but they aren't very comparable to the DS and PSP let alone older gens. I think that's his idea. What is Resistance's reason to exist? What does it want to do, to craft, to get the player to explore and understand? I think that's his point.

You didn't read it then because that paragraph has nothing to do with sales.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No. I don;t think Haziq means that the system should be one thing. I think he's saying the system lack an identity as the system you go to for certain games and tastes. He's saying its all over the place, doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it ends up being weaker then the competition at everything it tries. If you love JRPGs, you know that the PSP and the DS are a good place to start, they have other great games as well but they should help your initial priority. If you love platformers you know the Wii is a solid choice. If you love shooters and sports you know that the 360 fits that bill and does it best (or PC for shooter if you wanna be annoying :P ). With the PS3 though, it doesn't really excel in giving me a reason to buy it or what its all about. Its got shooters but they aren't the top tier stuff that this gens gamers lgo crazy for, its got platformers but their still beaten by Nintendo's efforts, its got JRPGs but they aren't very comparable to the DS and PSP let alone older gens. I think that's his idea. What is Resistance's reason to exist? What does it want to do, to craft, to get the player to explore and understand? I think that's his point.

ActicEdge

You didn't read it then because that paragraph has nothing to do with sales.

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] Actually the PS3 has more AA+ games, at least on Metacritic. It also has more excluisves, it also has more GOTY winners, and more best graphics on consoles award winners. Saying the 360 has a better library according to critical reception is a lie. DrWin

Dude, again, you are free to prefer PS3 games, exclusives, graphics, art directions, etc but it´s not more than your opinion. Graphics wise, i would say both consoles are about on par. The only visual diference between games like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, etc are their art directions.

Like i said, you may also prefer PS3 library but it doesnt change the fact than 360 has alot more high scoring games according to critics. You used metacritic as example. Well, going by that site 360 has 120 A+ games over PS3:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/xbox360/metascore?view=condensed

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps3/metascore?view=condensed

Man, 360 has more A, AA and AAA retail games than PS3 going by gamespot or metacritic. It´s not any kind of insult, just a fact. Also it doesnt change the fact that PS3 has a huge llibrary aswell.But go ahead, i would like to see your list.

Glitchspot wont allow me to quote your latest post.

But you claimed in the second paragraph that "I never made any excuses about how they were different, I dont have to, the impetous of this thread was to show how Sony are or arent like NINTENDO"

Im really curious what your intentions where then.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

Please God no!

I hope SCE never become anything like Nintendo. I dont want them milking the same3 franchises for 25 years. I think MS are the next ninty, what with themmilking Halo, gears and forza like scred cows

just my opinion

Zaibach

yeah, sony definitely isnt doing that with uncharted, GoW and Resistance :P

Try again buddy;)

this whole argument was based on the fact that you made a pretty ridiculous and stupid attempt to defend Uncharted and GOW, despite naming Halo and Gears rehashes.

-

here is the definition of bias

Bias is an inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives. Bias can come in many forms.

Do you feel like this is fitting for ouer argument?

Glitchspot wont allow me to quote your latest post.

But you claimed in the second paragraph that "I never made any excuses about how they were different, I dont have to, the impetous of this thread was to show how Sony are or arent like NINTENDO"

Im really curious what your intentions where then.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

yeah, sony definitely isnt doing that with uncharted, GoW and Resistance :P

Half-Way

Try again buddy;)

this whole argument was based on the fact that you made a pretty ridiculous and stupid attempt to defend Uncharted and GOW, despite naming Halo and Gears rehashes.

-

here is the definition of bias

Bias is an inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives. Bias can come in many forms.

Do you feel like this is fitting for ouer argument?

Bloody hell man,

HALO is a definitive game in its genre and so is God of War! they both outsell and and outscore thier competition in thier genre

However this gen has only seen one GOW game released for the whereas we have seen 5 for Halo!

how is that hypocritical? I'm not making up different rules for one or the other. ps3 isnt relying on specific games to shift consoles thats the over-arching point here.

once again,

come at me bro

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]Well all I got from that was, because the games on the ps3 dont sell as much as thier counterpart genres on other consoles, they have no identity.

Zaibach

You didn't read it then because that paragraph has nothing to do with sales.

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

Uh...I'm their "actual fanbase" and I couldn't be more excited for the Wii U. But then again...I'm an intelligent gamer.

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

ITs actually 100% relevant. You can't simply say, the cut off for good games that add to a systems library is so and so arbitrary number. That's neither accurate or logical. Its also not a lie either. The amount of software sold for most systems probably isn't 51% games with "+80%" scores and 49% the rest.

ActicEdge

An award winning type game isn't a qualifier for adding to a library though. every game adds to a library and games that may not win awrds or get 80+ averages can still be a big part of a systems library. People play more then AA+ games, how you or me sort them doesn't change that. Exclusive or multiplatform doesn't change that, downloable or disk doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="RavenLoud"]

Sony didn't even want to publish Demon's Souls outside of Asia. I bet they're kicking themselves for it to this day.

lordlors

At least they should be given some credit for letting other localize it unlike some company lol:P.

And thats the difference when SONY didnt want to localize Demon's Souls though its already fully translated they let Atlus do it in NA and Bamco in Europe and when SCEE localized WKC2 and SCEA didnt want to do it SCEA let D3 publisher publish it in NA, SONY let their fans get their games even if the money which will be generated from the game wont go to them while NINTENDO if they dont want to localize or publish a game in a certain region they never let anyone do it which means their policy is if the money doesnt come to us then screw our fans.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] First off I've had great fun with games that aren't 80 at Metacritic, but I also know how to distinguish a game that I have fun with and a game that's quality made, and polished etc. An award winning type of game. DrWin

An award winning type game isn't a qualifier for adding to a library though. every game adds to a library and games that may not win awrds or get 80+ averages can still be a big part of a systems library. People play more then AA+ games, how you or me sort them doesn't change that. Exclusive or multiplatform doesn't change that, downloable or disk doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

An award winning type game isn't a qualifier for adding to a library though. every game adds to a library and games that may not win awrds or get 80+ averages can still be a big part of a systems library. People play more then AA+ games, how you or me sort them doesn't change that. Exclusive or multiplatform doesn't change that, downloable or disk doesn't change that.

KevinnButlerNPK

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Dude, again, you are free to prefer PS3 games, exclusives, graphics, art directions, etc but it´s not more than your opinion. Graphics wise, i would say both consoles are about on par. The only visual diference between games like Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, etc are their art directions.

Like i said, you may also prefer PS3 library but it doesnt change the fact than 360 has alot more high scoring games according to critics. You used metacritic as example. Well, going by that site 360 has 120 A+ games over PS3:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/xbox360/metascore?view=condensed

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps3/metascore?view=condensed

PAL360

Man, 360 has more A, AA and AAA retail games than PS3 going by gamespot or metacritic. It´s not any kind of insult, just a fact. Also it doesnt change the fact that PS3 has a huge llibrary aswell.But go ahead, i would like to see your list.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] That's nice and all but I was just making a very simple proint, someone said the 360 had a better high scoring library according to critics, I corrected them because infact it's the PS3 that has more 80+ games, more exclusives, more GOTY winners, more best graphics winners, more egenral award winning games. It is what it is, may not mean anything to you, but it does to a lot of consumers. DrWin

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] Which consumers? I know very few gamers that sit around worrying what awards the game wins...

KevinnButlerNPK

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

Glitchspot wont allow me to quote your latest post.

But you claimed in the second paragraph that "I never made any excuses about how they were different, I dont have to, the impetous of this thread was to show how Sony are or arent like NINTENDO"

Im really curious what your intentions where then.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]uNCHArted and Resistance are new IPs that started this gen, and GOW is a genre defining game,

Try again buddy;)

Zaibach

this whole argument was based on the fact that you made a pretty ridiculous and stupid attempt to defend Uncharted and GOW, despite naming Halo and Gears rehashes.

-

here is the definition of bias

Bias is an inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives. Bias can come in many forms.

Do you feel like this is fitting for ouer argument?

Bloody hell man,

HALO is a definitive game in its genre and so is God of War! they both outsell and and outscore thier competition in thier genre

However this gen has only seen one GOW game released for the whereas we have seen 5 for Halo!

how is that hypocritical? I'm not making up different rules for one or the other. ps3 isnt relying on specific games to shift consoles thats the over-arching point here.

once again,

come at me bro

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] I know for a fact the PS3 has more AA+ games at Metacritic including multiplats. I'm pretty sure your stats are counting DLC and arcade titles as equal to retail games and I can't agree with that method of camparison. I'll even try to make a AA+ camparison with all the games on each platform. Not today though cause that'll probably take a while. According to high scoring titles, 80+ The PS3 has a bigger library, it also has more exclusives, GOTY winners and best graphics on consoles awards. So according to critics the PS3 has the better library, even if the 360 has the bigger library no? DrWin

Man, 360 has more A, AA and AAA retail games than PS3 going by gamespot or metacritic. It´s not any kind of insult, just a fact. Also it doesnt change the fact that PS3 has a huge llibrary aswell.But go ahead, i would like to see your list.

If you are making a thread for that try to make it right (no bias). I counted manually all A+ games on both and 360 ended with an advantage of 120 games. Of course that included downloadable games.

"Nintendo holds a very special place in the hearts of millions (if not billions) of gamers around the world, and for good reason. Not only are the almost singlehandedly responsible for gaming's place in pop culture today, but their many mascots and franchises are beloved the world over, from Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Metroid, Kirby, and many more. There appears to have been a paradigm shift in recent years, however. As years go by, Nintendo seems to care less and less about the fanbase that brought them where they were today. Between their lack of new IP's for the Wii, or their blatant refusal to bring highly demanded titles to North America, it is clear that Nintendo has seen better days. However, there is a company that is actively trying to take Nintendo's place: Sony."

link

there not wrong, Nintendo has really been going down hill since the Wii. now with the announcment of the WiiU I'm convinced they could care less about their actual fanbase and really only want the casuals. theres only one problem, MS has captured them with Kinect. Sony will have the actual games people care about and create new IP's like Nintendo once did

the only thing left in them is the nostalgia created by their old IP's created long ago, which really have run out of steam but with games that old people will always go back to them no matter how bad they are

KevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Man, 360 has more A, AA and AAA retail games than PS3 going by gamespot or metacritic. It´s not any kind of insult, just a fact. Also it doesnt change the fact that PS3 has a huge llibrary aswell.But go ahead, i would like to see your list.

PAL360

If you are making a thread for that try to make it right (no bias). I counted manually all A+ games on both and 360 ended with an advantage of 120 games. Of course that included downloadable games.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"]I can't find the list where I got my original arguement from, in that list the PS3 and the 360 were about tied in number of retail games 80+ at Metacritic, but it didn't count 2011 games. SO I have to manually search Metacritic for games on one console but not on the other, it's going to take alittle bit of time. I'll make a thread when I'm done. You'll see the PS3 will have more retail games then the 360. More Award winning games, more exclusives, more variety, more recent games... You'll see. DrWin

If you are making a thread for that try to make it right (no bias). I counted manually all A+ games on both and 360 ended with an advantage of 120 games. Of course that included downloadable games.

Ok, that´s fair enough.

No offence but i think you will end up not making the thread. At least as soon as you realise that the lists wont favour the PS3 :P

Give me a reason why I should prefer LittleBigPlanet/Ratchet & Clank over Mario, Final Fantasy/Okami (which is also on Wii) over Zelda and KillZone/Resistance over Metroid Prime.

Well?

[QUOTE="DrWin"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

If you are making a thread for that try to make it right (no bias). I counted manually all A+ games on both and 360 ended with an advantage of 120 games. Of course that included downloadable games.

PAL360

Ok, that´s fair enough.

No offence but i think you will end up not making the thread. At least as soon as you realise that the lists wont favour the PS3 :P

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]Well all I got from that was, because the games on the ps3 dont sell as much as thier counterpart genres on other consoles, they have no identity.

Zaibach

You didn't read it then because that paragraph has nothing to do with sales.

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

this whole argument was based on the fact that you made a pretty ridiculous and stupid attempt to defend Uncharted and GOW, despite naming Halo and Gears rehashes.

-

here is the definition of bias

Bias is an inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives. Bias can come in many forms.

Do you feel like this is fitting for ouer argument?

Sege44

Bloody hell man,

HALO is a definitive game in its genre and so is God of War! they both outsell and and outscore thier competition in thier genre

However this gen has only seen one GOW game released for the whereas we have seen 5 for Halo!

how is that hypocritical? I'm not making up different rules for one or the other. ps3 isnt relying on specific games to shift consoles thats the over-arching point here.

once again,

come at me bro

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] First off I've had great fun with games that aren't 80 at Metacritic, but I also know how to distinguish a game that I have fun with and a game that's quality made, and polished etc. An award winning type of game. DrWin

An award winning type game isn't a qualifier for adding to a library though. every game adds to a library and games that may not win awrds or get 80+ averages can still be a big part of a systems library. People play more then AA+ games, how you or me sort them doesn't change that. Exclusive or multiplatform doesn't change that, downloable or disk doesn't change that.

It was simple but it was also flawed and straight up wrong. 80+ games don't define better library. GOTY don't either and best graphics doesn't and neither does general awards. You are also in no position to sit here and tell a fellow consumer that you magically know lots of people view better as your arbitrary standards.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="DrWin"] That's nice and all but I was just making a very simple proint, someone said the 360 had a better high scoring library according to critics, I corrected them because infact it's the PS3 that has more 80+ games, more exclusives, more GOTY winners, more best graphics winners, more egenral award winning games. It is what it is, may not mean anything to you, but it does to a lot of consumers. DrWin

You're on a dedicated forum talking to people who have far out leveled you, far outposted and among other things probably gamed longer then you and you some how think you are qualified to say "they" don't care about quality games but the masses (of all people) do? You my friend have lost this argument for many many resaons.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You didn't read it then because that paragraph has nothing to do with sales.

ActicEdge

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

it was to show that Consoles dont need an identity, why? because they dont benefit them.

Having the wii be reffered to as a family consoles has painted it as child's toy jam packed with games that are not to be taken seriously, causing an exodus of core gamers to the other consoles

Having the Xbox be reffered to as the shooter console has tainted its user-base as a bunch of COD-loving dude bro game- fratboy DBAGs (easy mods just making a point)

Where as the ps console doesnt suffer from this, if you want a solid VARIED experience its what you pick up.

"Nintendo holds a very special place in the hearts of millions (if not billions) of gamers around the world, and for good reason. Not only are the almost singlehandedly responsible for gaming's place in pop culture today, but their many mascots and franchises are beloved the world over, from Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Metroid, Kirby, and many more. There appears to have been a paradigm shift in recent years, however. As years go by, Nintendo seems to care less and less about the fanbase that brought them where they were today. Between their lack of new IP's for the Wii, or their blatant refusal to bring highly demanded titles to North America, it is clear that Nintendo has seen better days. However, there is a company that is actively trying to take Nintendo's place: Sony."

link

there not wrong, Nintendo has really been going down hill since the Wii. now with the announcment of the WiiU I'm convinced they could care less about their actual fanbase and really only want the casuals. theres only one problem, MS has captured them with Kinect. Sony will have the actual games people care about and create new IP's like Nintendo once did

the only thing left in them is the nostalgia created by their old IP's created long ago, which really have run out of steam but with games that old people will always go back to them no matter how bad they are

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

You didn't read it then because that paragraph has nothing to do with sales.

ActicEdge

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

You're talking about a system being stuck in a rut as if its a good thing. Up until the Wii, systems suceeded not by focusing on a handful of franchises, but by boasting a wide array of games (think the 2600, the NES, the Genesis/SNES, the PS1 and the PS2). The Wii broke the pattern (and broke out of the corner Nintendo spent generations painting itself into) by appealing to casuals, but its also the least successful lead system in two generations and it lost the (month to month) lead once MS came up with an even simpler interface...

In terms of core games, Nintendo excels at nothing, they merely trade on nostalgia and offer up increasingly bizarre interfaces to disguise the fact that most of their games are based on formulas more than a decade old (some much more than a decade old). if Nintendo fans were true gamers, there would be more third party support. But Nintendo fans tend to be fixated on franchises and care little about games, so third parties don't bother. Its interesting that even Nintendo's games tend to fail if they don't have the right characters slapped on the box (which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo clings to its old franchises like a toddler to its mother's skirts).

With a Kevin Butler name, sig AND avatar, I don't think you're exactly observational here. Nintendo is still, IMO, the best development team out there, though the Wii is not my favorite system this generation. Like the PS3 more, the DS most. And SMG2 is still my choice for the best game of this generation. Basically, I don't even agree with that article, much less the thread OP itself.

Some of you missed the whole point of the thread.

Sony is NOT trying to be anybody. Not in a literal sense. Sony and the Playstation brand is simply delivering the best possible gaming experience to consumers.

Sony is the next "nintendo" because in some ways Sony is simply a company providing games of various genres to ALL PEOPLE, ALL GAMERS who are willing to invest on a PS3 (like NES and SNES were). And like I said, Sony is literally the only company out there that's been very consistant in delivering or having these games from both 3rd party and 1st party developers on their PLAYSTATION PLATFORMS....PS1...PS2....PS3.

NO ONE CAN'T deny this fact. This 17 year history FACT.

Sony has GAMES. That's it!!!! And lots of it in various genres. That's why they have an excellent relationship with Publishers and that's why Publishers are willing to put their games on a Playstation platform.

Some of you people too concerned too worked up and talking all this crap about "identity and what not." That's too funny. :lol:

There's NO IDENTITY whatsover. If you want to take it literally, yeah, Sony has an IDENTITY......it's called having GAMES. That's what they're known for. The PS brand is a platform that carries GAMES. That's why their branding is called PLAYSTATION. You PLAY games on this black electronic video "STATION."

2_Quiet_2_Riot

IMO, Sony's weakest point is not having games for everyone. It's got a definite lack of quality E games, aka for everyone. That is something Nintendo has. It's created the illusion that games for the younger generation just aren't supposed to be good.

the only thing left in them is the nostalgia created by their old IP's created long ago

KevinButlerVP

NO NO NO! haha i am tired of this "nostalgia" thing. to meplaying new super mario brothers wii is somewhat nostalgic since it's kinda like playing mario on the nes, butplaying zelda skyward sword isn't very nostalgic because it's not like zelda was25 years ago. Nintendo's IP's aren't good nowadays just because they are "nostalgic." They are just very good games. People aren't going to buy Zelda SS because they arethinking "ahhh zelda, it's a blast from the past," they're gonna buy it because zelda gameson nintendo systems are always good. seriously, the way people use the word nostalgia these days... they might as well be calling Halo, GTA, and God of War nostalgic...

sony doesnt even make the same kind of games as nintendo really

smg games>>>any ps3 games