Sony is the Next Nintendo

well that's not a good thing for me since i prefer sony over nintendo :P

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]I did, twice, because it cant be down to quality, because the console has lots of quality titles in all Genres, in fact it has alot of unique and niche games/ experiences that cant be found on any other console Heavy Rain, LBP, Demon souls, Uncharted, MAG, Disgaea, Valkyria Chronicles

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

CarnageHeart

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

You're talking about a system being stuck in a rut as if its a good thing. Up until the Wii, systems suceeded not by focusing on a handful of franchises, but by boasting a wide array of games (think the 2600, the NES, the Genesis/SNES, the PS1 and the PS2). The Wii broke the pattern (and broke out of the corner Nintendo spent generations painting itself into) by appealing to casuals, but its also the least successful lead system in two generations and it lost the (month to month) lead once MS came up with an even simpler interface...

In terms of core games, Nintendo excels at nothing, they merely trade on nostalgia and offer up increasingly bizarre interfaces to disguise the fact that most of their games are based on formulas more than a decade old (some much more than a decade old). if Nintendo fans were true gamers, there would be more third party support. But Nintendo fans tend to be fixated on franchises and care little about games, so third parties don't bother. Its interesting that even Nintendo's games tend to fail if they don't have the right characters slapped on the box (which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo clings to its old franchises like a toddler to its mother's skirts).

I also don't see how this became about Nintendo. Nintendo has had an identity since the beginning of its gaming carreer. You know what you're getting if you buy their system, its the most non misleading brand around. Anything to round it out is just bonus. Every gen Sony can't decide where they want to go and what they want to be. They have never carved an identity, third parties did that for them and now that everything is multiplat, their system is treading water, its not first or second choice anywhere, its just simply there and its existance doesn't mean much to the market tbh.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]I did, twice, because it cant be down to quality, because the console has lots of quality titles in all Genres, in fact it has alot of unique and niche games/ experiences that cant be found on any other console Heavy Rain, LBP, Demon souls, Uncharted, MAG, Disgaea, Valkyria Chronicles

This is the same thing people say when they ask what is Sony's mascot? and thats the thing, there is no one game or genre that represents the PS brand.

If you want Halo 4, 5, 6and Halo ressurection, buy xbox, if you want zelda forever and MArio 26 buy a NIntendo thing, you want new IPs and fresh single-player and multiplayer experiences get a Praystashion.

Besides all the genres are well represented

FPS- kz, resistance and Mag

Action/adventure - Heavenly Sword, Yakuza, HR

Hacky slashy- GOW,

sPORTS- MLB THE SHOW

Platforming- LBP, sLY, Rand C

JRPG, Versus, Demon souls

Horror- the siren series, Amy

TPS, uncharted

Sandbox - Infamous

Zaibach

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

it was to show that Consoles dont need an identity, why? because they dont benefit them.

Having the wii be reffered to as a family consoles has painted it as child's toy jam packed with games that are not to be taken seriously, causing an exodus of core gamers to the other consoles

Having the Xbox be reffered to as the shooter console has tainted its user-base as a bunch of COD-loving dude bro game- fratboy DBAGs (easy mods just making a point)

Where as the ps console doesnt suffer from this, if you want a solid VARIED experience its what you pick up.

It benefits me as a gamer if I know what a system is about. What the stupid gaming media, or devs want to call it is not really important. As a Wii owner I know if I buy the system I'm going to get good games in continuing franchises and some third party sprinkles. If I can't handle that I go else where. Nintendo carved its identity with its games and that makes it easy for consumers to see if they like what is being offered. MS did a similar thing. Sony is just all over the place. core gamers and press is not what identity is about. How can Sony be the Next Nintendo if Sony can't even figure out what message Sony wants to send people with their games? And the PS systems (all 2 of them) had an identity as well. No one picks up PS systems to play shooters or WRPGS. Hate to say it but there is nothing sooo varied about the PS3. 3-3 1st party games most of which are mid teir is nothing worth getting excited about.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

ActicEdge

it was to show that Consoles dont need an identity, why? because they dont benefit them.

Having the wii be reffered to as a family consoles has painted it as child's toy jam packed with games that are not to be taken seriously, causing an exodus of core gamers to the other consoles

Having the Xbox be reffered to as the shooter console has tainted its user-base as a bunch of COD-loving dude bro game- fratboy DBAGs (easy mods just making a point)

Where as the ps console doesnt suffer from this, if you want a solid VARIED experience its what you pick up.

It benefits me as a gamer if I know what a system is about. What the stupid gaming media, or devs want to call it is not really important. As a Wii owner I know if I buy the system I'm going to get good games in continuing franchises and some third party sprinkles. If I can't handle that I go else where. Nintendo carved its identity with its games and that makes it easy for consumers to see if they like what is being offered. MS did a similar thing. Sony is just all over the place. core gamers and press is not what identity is about. How can Sony be the Next Nintendo if Sony can't even figure out what message Sony wants to send people with their games? And the PS systems (all 2 of them) had an identity as well. No one picks up PS systems to play shooters or WRPGS. Hate to say it but there is nothing sooo varied about the PS3. 3-3 1st party games most of which are mid teir is nothing worth getting excited about.

i agree that the wii was a failure in terms of games, but i think it was their best selling console since the snes so they are a success in business terms.

rotflol sony has never walked a mile in nintendos shoes

-- and they most certainly are not nintendo

last i checked they did not innovate bring new ways to control provide me with marioparty mariokart metroid ssb zelda pilot wings fzero pokemon , wii line , etc etc etc

and their consoles were never the cheapest of their gen and i doubt they ever will be psp vita is the only exception being on par, with 3ds for the wifi model but who said nintendo cant drop that price ,, they have room sony wont

so ya when that happens ya ill be leaving gaming,

cause they will never duplicate some one as good as nintendo i dont care who you are cause when nintendos at their best they cant be beat

sony tried so hard to be nintendo this gen with move did that work ,, hmm lets see--- no i still see wii out selling ps3 in the us and other countries outside japan -which is the only country ps3 leads weekly and that has not been that way for a long time

wake me up when its been leading for 4 yrs -5 yrs strieght in all major territories

cause they are stil behind xbox 360 as a matter of fact lol

face it tc sony will never be nintendo to be nintendo they have to meet the following criteria

1- release a system cheaper then the competitors-nintendo and microsoft-so far they only matched nintendos handheld with their wifi only handheld - but their consoles have always been same as ms or higher-this gen it launched at 600 vs 400 for xbox360 and 250 for wii

2 release these games on their system-mario kart metroid zelda fzero pilotwings nintendogs -ya the later even says it wont cause its nintendogs not sondogs lol also sales for ps3 exclusives are not comparable to nintendo wiis /ds games at all not even to its prodecessor-ps2 .or psp so calling sony nintendo ya right bud maybe if your talking about at nintendos worst time -gc/n64 then youd be right

3 gameplay matters more for nintendo -while online and hd matters more for sony so thats a no

4 been in this industry since 1983-japan 1985 us ,, ya they have not been out that long sony started consoles in 1995! have fun ,, with false claims

and as far as wii software goes sony vs nintendo , its to close ,, plus wii software sold more so ya

that dont count good third party titles , and dont say they do not exist i have a mind to list each and every game released on the wii that has been overlooked /under rated and under appreciated !

dont make me start now

cause that will be your mistake you make your bed you lay in and more time you take out of me typing , have a nice day

heres the first party count in case your interisted

nintendo has 1 aaae first party title 55 in all most score 8.5-and up with few 6.0 and under

sony in comparision has 0 first party titles that have scored a 10-mgs is not first party its a third party exclusive and gta iv most certainly is multiplat

they have 8.5 and up to but the sales is where wii comes in before i get to there-59 is where sony is at -does not include third party software exclusives only first and 2nd party

so dont bring multiplats in , cause its shared with microsoft and in some cases wii -cod 007 -the major ones any way , and when i mean major ips i mean ones that have been out since nes/snes etc like madden cod 007 driver -ps 1 era title crash guitar hero-ps2 gen , stuff like that ya ps3 360 see other titles wii dont have but those are miostly new ips and best suited for them platforms ,

so wii is not a failure in software thats just your opinion vs reality

wii has alot of good games that have been under appreciated this entire gen goldeneye zack and wiki no more heroes madworld to name a few

rotflol sony has never walked a mile in nintendos shoes

-- and they most certainly are not nintendo

last i checked they did not innovate bring new ways to control provide me with marioparty mariokart metroid ssb zelda pilot wings fzero pokemon , wii line , etc etc etc

and their consoles were never the cheapest of their gen and i doubt they ever will be psp vita is the only exception being on par, with 3ds for the wifi model but who said nintendo cant drop that price ,, they have room sony wont

so ya when that happens ya ill be leaving gaming,

cause they will never duplicate some one as good as nintendo i dont care who you are cause when nintendos at their best they cant be beat

sony tried so hard to be nintendo this gen with move did that work ,, hmm lets see--- no i still see wii out selling ps3 in the us and other countries outside japan -which is the only country ps3 leads weekly and that has not been that way for a long time

wake me up when its been leading for 4 yrs -5 yrs strieght in all major territories

cause they are stil behind xbox 360 as a matter of fact lol

face it tc sony will never be nintendo to be nintendo they have to meet the following criteria

1- release a system cheaper then the competitors-nintendo and microsoft-so far they only matched nintendos handheld with their wifi only handheld - but their consoles have always been same as ms or higher-this gen it launched at 600 vs 400 for xbox360 and 250 for wii

2 release these games on their system-mario kart metroid zelda fzero pilotwings nintendogs -ya the later even says it wont cause its nintendogs not sondogs lol also sales for ps3 exclusives are not comparable to nintendo wiis /ds games at all not even to its prodecessor-ps2 .or psp so calling sony nintendo ya right bud maybe if your talking about at nintendos worst time -gc/n64 then youd be right

3 gameplay matters more for nintendo -while online and hd matters more for sony so thats a no

4 been in this industry since 1983-japan 1985 us ,, ya they have not been out that long sony started consoles in 1995! have fun ,, with false claims

and as far as wii software goes sony vs nintendo , its to close ,, plus wii software sold more so ya

that dont count good third party titles , and dont say they do not exist i have a mind to list each and every game released on the wii that has been overlooked /under rated and under appreciated !

dont make me start now

cause that will be your mistake you make your bed you lay in and more time you take out of me typing , have a nice day

heres the first party count in case your interisted

nintendo has 1 aaae first party title 55 in all most score 8.5-and up with few 6.0 and under

sony in comparision has 0 first party titles that have scored a 10-mgs is not first party its a third party exclusive and gta iv most certainly is multiplat

they have 8.5 and up to but the sales is where wii comes in before i get to there-59 is where sony is at -does not include third party software exclusives only first and 2nd party

so dont bring multiplats in , cause its shared with microsoft and in some cases wii -cod 007 -the major ones any way , and when i mean major ips i mean ones that have been out since nes/snes etc like madden cod 007 driver -ps 1 era title crash guitar hero-ps2 gen , stuff like that ya ps3 360 see other titles wii dont have but those are miostly new ips and best suited for them platforms ,

so wii is not a failure in software thats just your opinion vs reality

wii has alot of good games that have been under appreciated this entire gen goldeneye zack and wiki no more heroes madworld to name a few

mariokart64fan

umm, the ps1, ps2 and ps3 outsold the nes, snes, n64, gamecube, and wii combined. so chill out a bit mario64fan

does it have to be either?

Isnt it a little bit narrow minded to make a console for 1 specific genre?

And what would you class as a game with 'identity'?

Zaibach

I'm saying that the PS3 has no identity for itself. Sony tries to do what everyone else is doing but doing it just as good or worse. They should instead focus on an aspect or two that sets them apart from the competition. Nintendo has motion controls, Microsoft has the whole online/multimedia experience, I'm not sure what Sony has beyond blu-ray (more on that below). I'm still not sure how they're trying to market the PS3, even 5 years later, I don't know what they're doing.

With blu-ray I can't really say it's added any importance to gaming. It's only truly starting to show it's usefulness now, 5 years later. The more space is needed for a few more games now than it ever was at the beginning of the gen.

No. I don;t think Haziq means that the system should be one thing. I think he's saying the system lack an identity as the system you go to for certain games and tastes. He's saying its all over the place, doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it ends up being weaker then the competition at everything it tries. If you love JRPGs, you know that the PSP and the DS are a good place to start, they have other great games as well but they should help your initial priority. If you love platformers you know the Wii is a solid choice. If you love shooters and sports you know that the 360 fits that bill and does it best (or PC for shooter if you wanna be annoying :P ). With the PS3 though, it doesn't really excel in giving me a reason to buy it or what its all about. Its got shooters but they aren't the top tier stuff that this gens gamers lgo crazy for, its got platformers but their still beaten by Nintendo's efforts, its got JRPGs but they aren't very comparable to the DS and PSP let alone older gens. I think that's his idea. What is Resistance's reason to exist? What does it want to do, to craft, to get the player to explore and understand? I think that's his point.

ActicEdge

This also plays a part in what I'm trying to say. Though, I don't think it's entirely necessary for Sony to have a certain type of game genre or tastes on their platform, it would definitely help if they had one or two genres that excelled on that platform.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

does it have to be either?

Isnt it a little bit narrow minded to make a console for 1 specific genre?

And what would you class as a game with 'identity'?

Haziqonfire

I'm saying that the PS3 has no identity for itself. Sony tries to do what everyone else is doing but doing it just as good or worse. They should instead focus on an aspect or two that sets them apart from the competition. Nintendo has motion controls, Microsoft has the whole online/multimedia experience, I'm not sure what Sony has beyond blu-ray (more on that below). I'm still not sure how they're trying to market the PS3, even 5 years later, I don't know what they're doing.

With blu-ray I can't really say it's added any importance to gaming. It's only truly starting to show it's usefulness now, 5 years later. The more space is needed for a few more games now than it ever was at the beginning of the gen.

No. I don;t think Haziq means that the system should be one thing. I think he's saying the system lack an identity as the system you go to for certain games and tastes. He's saying its all over the place, doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it ends up being weaker then the competition at everything it tries. If you love JRPGs, you know that the PSP and the DS are a good place to start, they have other great games as well but they should help your initial priority. If you love platformers you know the Wii is a solid choice. If you love shooters and sports you know that the 360 fits that bill and does it best (or PC for shooter if you wanna be annoying :P ). With the PS3 though, it doesn't really excel in giving me a reason to buy it or what its all about. Its got shooters but they aren't the top tier stuff that this gens gamers lgo crazy for, its got platformers but their still beaten by Nintendo's efforts, its got JRPGs but they aren't very comparable to the DS and PSP let alone older gens. I think that's his idea. What is Resistance's reason to exist? What does it want to do, to craft, to get the player to explore and understand? I think that's his point.

ActicEdge

This also plays a part in what I'm trying to say. Though, I don't think it's entirely necessary for Sony to have a certain type of game genre or tastes on their platform, it would definitely help if they had one or two genres that excelled on that platform.

The PS3 lost its identity during the PSN hack.....zingEggHeadMan

Nah it didn't lose it's identity in that hack. It lost YOUR identity!

[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]The PS3 lost its identity during the PSN hack.....zingChubbyGuy40

Nah it didn't lose it's identity in that hack. It lost YOUR identity!

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="EggHeadMan"]The PS3 lost its identity during the PSN hack.....zingEggHeadMan

Nah it didn't lose it's identity in that hack. It lost YOUR identity!

I know that feeling bro :(

...or do I?

I don't think so. Sony will never ever have something legendary that was Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Game Boy, etc. Especially with modernity, they can never replicate the contributions and legacy Nintendo has made in the video game industry and its history.

Also, I can't find anything magical about Sony. It may just be me but except Team ICO, i can't find any game of theirs that has soul and magic like i see in Nintendo's games. Having played GoW from my PSP, i realized how soulless that game was with shallow emphasis on blood, gore, and violence. Not to mention the story doesn't evoke any emotions at all. Mario doesn't even have a story but it evokes emotions from me especially in the ending. This is coming from a PC gamer whose very first console is the Wii.

lordlors

I agree with the 1st part of your post and I guess kinda with the second aswell.

Even though I like Sony's systems alot more, I don't think Sony will ever have that "nintendo magic"

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

rotflol sony has never walked a mile in nintendos shoes

-- and they most certainly are not nintendo

last i checked they did not innovate bring new ways to control provide me with marioparty mariokart metroid ssb zelda pilot wings fzero pokemon , wii line , etc etc etc

and their consoles were never the cheapest of their gen and i doubt they ever will be psp vita is the only exception being on par, with 3ds for the wifi model but who said nintendo cant drop that price ,, they have room sony wont

so ya when that happens ya ill be leaving gaming,

cause they will never duplicate some one as good as nintendo i dont care who you are cause when nintendos at their best they cant be beat

sony tried so hard to be nintendo this gen with move did that work ,, hmm lets see--- no i still see wii out selling ps3 in the us and other countries outside japan -which is the only country ps3 leads weekly and that has not been that way for a long time

wake me up when its been leading for 4 yrs -5 yrs strieght in all major territories

cause they are stil behind xbox 360 as a matter of fact lol

face it tc sony will never be nintendo to be nintendo they have to meet the following criteria

1- release a system cheaper then the competitors-nintendo and microsoft-so far they only matched nintendos handheld with their wifi only handheld - but their consoles have always been same as ms or higher-this gen it launched at 600 vs 400 for xbox360 and 250 for wii

2 release these games on their system-mario kart metroid zelda fzero pilotwings nintendogs -ya the later even says it wont cause its nintendogs not sondogs lol also sales for ps3 exclusives are not comparable to nintendo wiis /ds games at all not even to its prodecessor-ps2 .or psp so calling sony nintendo ya right bud maybe if your talking about at nintendos worst time -gc/n64 then youd be right

3 gameplay matters more for nintendo -while online and hd matters more for sony so thats a no

4 been in this industry since 1983-japan 1985 us ,, ya they have not been out that long sony started consoles in 1995! have fun ,, with false claims

and as far as wii software goes sony vs nintendo , its to close ,, plus wii software sold more so ya

that dont count good third party titles , and dont say they do not exist i have a mind to list each and every game released on the wii that has been overlooked /under rated and under appreciated !

dont make me start now

cause that will be your mistake you make your bed you lay in and more time you take out of me typing , have a nice day

heres the first party count in case your interisted

nintendo has 1 aaae first party title 55 in all most score 8.5-and up with few 6.0 and under

sony in comparision has 0 first party titles that have scored a 10-mgs is not first party its a third party exclusive and gta iv most certainly is multiplat

they have 8.5 and up to but the sales is where wii comes in before i get to there-59 is where sony is at -does not include third party software exclusives only first and 2nd party

so dont bring multiplats in , cause its shared with microsoft and in some cases wii -cod 007 -the major ones any way , and when i mean major ips i mean ones that have been out since nes/snes etc like madden cod 007 driver -ps 1 era title crash guitar hero-ps2 gen , stuff like that ya ps3 360 see other titles wii dont have but those are miostly new ips and best suited for them platforms ,

so wii is not a failure in software thats just your opinion vs reality

wii has alot of good games that have been under appreciated this entire gen goldeneye zack and wiki no more heroes madworld to name a few

russiaAK47

umm, the ps1, ps2 and ps3 outsold the nes, snes, n64, gamecube, and wii combined. so chill out a bit mario64fan

it really didnt

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Who said it was about that? An identity is not bound aimply by having some good games. An identity also isn't "well we've got new Ips". And? An identity is an outlook on the system. A system that whne you look at it, you know what its all about. You pretty much can get the idea that if I buy this system, its for this experience and this experience and this. The PS3 doesn't have that. The PS3 has a bunch of excellent games (like every system in existance, I'm sorry but this is such a weak argument) and no identity. Having 3 games in each genre atbest which are not the top of their class is not some sort of glowing achievment. It basically means that if you like a genre the PS3 has a couple of em. If platforming is suppose to be well represented because you can play R&C, LBP and a Sly game not out that's a problem. If JRPGs big send off are a practically vapourware game and demon souls that's a problem. If the whole added reason to get the PS3 over and other system is because "The Show" is the best baseball games ever (not taking away, if you are a huge baseball fan maybe it is and the games review well) how is that representory of a whole genre. You can excel at everything too. The PS2 pretty mcuh did. This system has no identity because if you're a gamer looking for an experience, every other system at face value tells you what they are about.

ActicEdge

You're talking about a system being stuck in a rut as if its a good thing. Up until the Wii, systems suceeded not by focusing on a handful of franchises, but by boasting a wide array of games (think the 2600, the NES, the Genesis/SNES, the PS1 and the PS2). The Wii broke the pattern (and broke out of the corner Nintendo spent generations painting itself into) by appealing to casuals, but its also the least successful lead system in two generations and it lost the (month to month) lead once MS came up with an even simpler interface...

In terms of core games, Nintendo excels at nothing, they merely trade on nostalgia and offer up increasingly bizarre interfaces to disguise the fact that most of their games are based on formulas more than a decade old (some much more than a decade old). if Nintendo fans were true gamers, there would be more third party support. But Nintendo fans tend to be fixated on franchises and care little about games, so third parties don't bother. Its interesting that even Nintendo's games tend to fail if they don't have the right characters slapped on the box (which goes a long way towards explaining why Nintendo clings to its old franchises like a toddler to its mother's skirts).

I also don't see how this became about Nintendo. Nintendo has had an identity since the beginning of its gaming carreer. You know what you're getting if you buy their system, its the most non misleading brand around. Anything to round it out is just bonus. Every gen Sony can't decide where they want to go and what they want to be. They have never carved an identity, third parties did that for them and now that everything is multiplat, their system is treading water, its not first or second choice anywhere, its just simply there and its existance doesn't mean much to the market tbh.

Are you seeking to rewrite history or do you just not know it? In the 8 bit days Nintendo told 3rd parties that they had to develop games exclusively on the NES if they wanted to develop games at all (initially, Sega was even crazier, and actively fighting to discourage 3rd party support, figuring that it was better to have all of a small pie). No one who was gaming in that era should forget the popularity of games like Castlevania, Mega Man, Ghosts n' Goblins, Ikari Warriors, Gradius, Blaster Master and Double Dragon (if one was Japanese, Dragon Warrior and FF were also big deals).

And third party support for the SNES (which suffered a dropoff in support because the American government forced Nintendo to end the exclusivity contracts) was hugely influential as well (nods towards SF2, Axelay, Final Fight,FF6, MK2, Chrono Triggerand Shadowrun).

*Shrugs* If you started gaming on the N64, I can see why you labor under the delusion 3rd party games have never been important to Nintendo consoles. Consider this: prior to the Wii (and its casuals) the marketshare of Nintendoconsoles (and handhelds, but Nintendo has never suffered from meaningful drop in support in the handheld arena) almost exactly tracked their third party support. The NES had the support of almost all third parties and had 90+% of the market, the SNES split third party support and the market with the Genesis, and since then massive drops in third party support had increasingly marginalized Nintendo in the console arena (the the GC marked a system that not only suffered from a smaller marketshare than its predecessor, but sold much worse in absolute terms).

The PS3 is in third place not because it has broad appeal, but due to insanely high hardware pricing out of the gate (I predict the PS3 would bring up the rear the moment the $600 pricetag was announced). The more variety a system has, the broader its appeal, but there are limits to what people are willing to pay for a system (thus far, a launch price of $300 is the highest that has proven broadly popular). Its a minor miracle that the PS3 is so close to the X360 in sales totals (probably has a lot to do with MS not focusing on variety the way they used to and not being as aggresive with pricecuts as they could have been).

"Nintendo holds a very special place in the hearts of millions (if not billions) of gamers around the world, and for good reason. Not only are the almost singlehandedly responsible for gaming's place in pop culture today, but their many mascots and franchises are beloved the world over, from Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon, Metroid, Kirby, and many more. There appears to have been a paradigm shift in recent years, however. As years go by, Nintendo seems to care less and less about the fanbase that brought them where they were today. Between their lack of new IP's for the Wii, or their blatant refusal to bring highly demanded titles to North America, it is clear that Nintendo has seen better days. However, there is a company that is actively trying to take Nintendo's place: Sony."

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there not wrong, Nintendo has really been going down hill since the Wii. now with the announcment of the WiiU I'm convinced they could care less about their actual fanbase and really only want the casuals. theres only one problem, MS has captured them with Kinect. Sony will have the actual games people care about and create new IP's like Nintendo once did

the only thing left in them is the nostalgia created by their old IP's created long ago, which really have run out of steam but with games that old people will always go back to them no matter how bad they are

KevinButlerVP

Thanks for the link. I have been trying to say this all along. Fact is i didn't start my gaming with the NES. I started with the Atari 2600. When games were just once static screen, and all you have is your own imagination.Many people around here don't know what that is like, but I do. I then moved into nintendo consoles which i owned allof them except the nintendo wii and the nintendo ds, and I sure as hell have zero intention to buy the wiiu (terrible name BTW!).

The reason why i didn't put myself in the situation of wasting my time playing games on the wii or nintendo ds is because nintendo has been stuck in the 90's for many years now. All those people like me who bought and play all those awesome games on the NES,gameboy,SNES and nintendo 64 have much higher standards today. Playing the same old franchises for nostalgia doesn't cut it anymore. All the gamers like me who put nintendo where it is today, already grew up, but nintendo hasn't. That is nintnedo biggest problem, and I'm really sure just like i saw it happen with Atari and Sega. nintendo's downfall will be coming soon. I sure as hell don't want this to happen to one of my favorite companies that game games to play for hours and hours of fun, or I can honestly say that if tomorrow they stop making nintendo consoles and games. I can't say that they will be missed. It has been the same old games and franchises over and over for the last 3 generations. I can sure as hell today live and continue to game without nintendo.

It has come down to the point where nintendo is no longer relevant anymore.

It benefits me as a gamer if I know what a system is about. What the stupid gaming media, or devs want to call it is not really important. As a Wii owner I know if I buy the system I'm going to get good games in continuing franchises and some third party sprinkles. If I can't handle that I go else where. Nintendo carved its identity with its games and that makes it easy for consumers to see if they like what is being offered. MS did a similar thing. Sony is just all over the place. core gamers and press is not what identity is about. How can Sony be the Next Nintendo if Sony can't even figure out what message Sony wants to send people with their games? And the PS systems (all 2 of them) had an identity as well. No one picks up PS systems to play shooters or WRPGS. Hate to say it but there is nothing sooo varied about the PS3. 3-3 1st party games most of which are mid teir is nothing worth getting excited about.ActicEdge

sony doesnt even make the same kind of games as nintendo really

smg games>>>any ps3 games

johnnyblazed88

rotflol sony has never walked a mile in nintendos shoes

-- and they most certainly are not nintendo

last i checked they did not innovate bring new ways to control provide me with marioparty mariokart metroid ssb zelda pilot wings fzero pokemon , wii line , etc etc etc

and their consoles were never the cheapest of their gen and i doubt they ever will be psp vita is the only exception being on par, with 3ds for the wifi model but who said nintendo cant drop that price ,, they have room sony wont

so ya when that happens ya ill be leaving gaming,

cause they will never duplicate some one as good as nintendo i dont care who you are cause when nintendos at their best they cant be beat

sony tried so hard to be nintendo this gen with move did that work ,, hmm lets see--- no i still see wii out selling ps3 in the us and other countries outside japan -which is the only country ps3 leads weekly and that has not been that way for a long time

wake me up when its been leading for 4 yrs -5 yrs strieght in all major territories

cause they are stil behind xbox 360 as a matter of fact lol

face it tc sony will never be nintendo to be nintendo they have to meet the following criteria

1- release a system cheaper then the competitors-nintendo and microsoft-so far they only matched nintendos handheld with their wifi only handheld - but their consoles have always been same as ms or higher-this gen it launched at 600 vs 400 for xbox360 and 250 for wii

2 release these games on their system-mario kart metroid zelda fzero pilotwings nintendogs -ya the later even says it wont cause its nintendogs not sondogs lol also sales for ps3 exclusives are not comparable to nintendo wiis /ds games at all not even to its prodecessor-ps2 .or psp so calling sony nintendo ya right bud maybe if your talking about at nintendos worst time -gc/n64 then youd be right

3 gameplay matters more for nintendo -while online and hd matters more for sony so thats a no

4 been in this industry since 1983-japan 1985 us ,, ya they have not been out that long sony started consoles in 1995! have fun ,, with false claims

and as far as wii software goes sony vs nintendo , its to close ,, plus wii software sold more so ya

that dont count good third party titles , and dont say they do not exist i have a mind to list each and every game released on the wii that has been overlooked /under rated and under appreciated !

dont make me start now

cause that will be your mistake you make your bed you lay in and more time you take out of me typing , have a nice day

heres the first party count in case your interisted

nintendo has 1 aaae first party title 55 in all most score 8.5-and up with few 6.0 and under

sony in comparision has 0 first party titles that have scored a 10-mgs is not first party its a third party exclusive and gta iv most certainly is multiplat

they have 8.5 and up to but the sales is where wii comes in before i get to there-59 is where sony is at -does not include third party software exclusives only first and 2nd party

so dont bring multiplats in , cause its shared with microsoft and in some cases wii -cod 007 -the major ones any way , and when i mean major ips i mean ones that have been out since nes/snes etc like madden cod 007 driver -ps 1 era title crash guitar hero-ps2 gen , stuff like that ya ps3 360 see other titles wii dont have but those are miostly new ips and best suited for them platforms ,

so wii is not a failure in software thats just your opinion vs reality

wii has alot of good games that have been under appreciated this entire gen goldeneye zack and wiki no more heroes madworld to name a few

mariokart64fan