Sony Mentions Charging For PSN

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="scarface_dm"]

because they seem to think having free online is a bonus against 360 and and now they wont be able to use that excuse ;)

kingtito

It is a bonus over the 360. Let's say the next gen consoles come out in 2012, this gen you will have paid $350 just to play online and use a few features. Instead of me paying that, I will have been able to buy nearly 6 new games.

If Sony does charge, they will probably keep online MP free, sine they know that is a major selling point for them. They will probably come up with a bunch of features/extras and charge for that while keeping online free. That is fine since the fee is not forced upon gamers the way XBL is

PC Gaming= Free

Wii Online= Free

PSn= Free

XBL= $50

Why?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do we need to go through the features between XBL and PSN? In the beginning, yes, PSN was pretty bad compared to XBL. Now, you have small difference between the 2. The major difference between them is cross voice chat vs no cross game chat. Is that worth $50 to you?

BPoole96

Biased? Maybe. But I have used each service and have my own preferances. The $50 is not justified. Since you brought it up, how is PSN horrible to navigate and which features are just plain bad? I'd really like to know

pretty much finding anything on that service is repetitive

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="scarface_dm"]

because they seem to think having free online is a bonus against 360 and and now they wont be able to use that excuse ;)

kingtito

It is a bonus over the 360. Let's say the next gen consoles come out in 2012, this gen you will have paid $350 just to play online and use a few features. Instead of me paying that, I will have been able to buy nearly 6 new games.

If Sony does charge, they will probably keep online MP free, sine they know that is a major selling point for them. They will probably come up with a bunch of features/extras and charge for that while keeping online free. That is fine since the fee is not forced upon gamers the way XBL is

PS3 has a price tag of 299 so why not charge now?

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] You are obviously biased. PSN is horrible to navigate and the features are just plain bad. In my experience XBL is by far the better online service. Not even a debate if you ask me. scarface_dm

Biased? Maybe. But I have used each service and have my own preferances. The $50 is not justified. Since you brought it up, how is PSN horrible to navigate and which features are just plain bad? I'd really like to know

pretty much finding anything on that service is repetitive

Repetitive??? What, on XBL do fireworks go off when you select something the first time and the second time a magician will pull a rabbit out of a hat?

Last I checked, when navigating something, repetitiveness is a good thing.

Sounds like they are creating a service that is 'worthy' of a fee for the PS4.

I wouldn't expect them to take out free online this gen.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

I honestly feel I am getting what I pay for....I do not like to get ripped off and I don't feel I am or I would cancel and play for free on PSN....but for me multiplats are usually better and the online experience has been better for me

chikenfriedrice

actually that never happens it's automatically taken out of my account so I don't miss a beat

Of course its done automatically. MS wouldn't want you to keep them waiting from getting their money

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think it's pretty sad. Microsoft has shown the industry how big of tools some gamers are and how easy it is to get money out of them.

heysharpshooter

I think they have shown what a great value and service it is

I think Live worth the money... I wouldn't pay for the PS3 service.

How about you actually try PSN before you say that. I've used both PSN and XBL. There is nothing "mindblowing" about live that would make me want to pay 50 bucks a year. It should be no more than 20 IMO..

If they do charge to play online I will not even bother with trying to fix my ps3 and I was planning to buy another one if I could not fix this one. Not sure if I would pay $300 for it but I could easily see myself paying $200 for one but if they charge for online play then there is no incentive to buy or fix a ps3. When I can get 360 on ebay for less than $100 which is the route I would probably go the only thing is I am afraid of the rrod or other problems that may occur.

Sounds like they are creating a service that is 'worthy' of a fee for the PS4.

I wouldn't expect them to take out free online this gen.

Trmpt

If PSN is charged with PS4 then I simply will not be buying a ps4 for a very very long time to come. I will be playing free games online with ps3 for a long time. Which is what I plan to do when they release the new consoles anyway.

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently. I could see myself playing one of these games 5 years later being happy with everything about it. I still think FFX has good graphics.

G4 wants attention or something? Why didn't they put Sony charging for extra PSN services?

It would have to be something incredible for most people to buy it. The only thing most people care about is playing online for free.

T-Aldous

[QUOTE="T-Aldous"]

It would have to be something incredible for most people to buy it. The only thing most people care about is playing online for free.

n00bkid

They might. Maybe not right away but in two or three years or more when you could buy a computer that could play a game like battle field bad company 2 for around $100. Yeah I could see myself getting rid of ps3 just going with a cheap pc for awhile.

Not everyone likes the idea of paying $50 for so many more years to come just to play games online. I don't

Sony online is pretty easy to use except finding things and the complete layout is repetitive, While the 360 is way better

So if Sony expects to charge for online I suggest they givepsn a complete overhaul

scarface_dm

Really? Maybe if you have the EU store I can understand,but besides that just no. Its simple as hell to find friends/demos and so forth. OMG I JUST TURNED ON MY PS3 AND HAD TO PRESS RIGHT ONCE TO FIND MY FRIENDS.ITS SO HARD:roll:. The xmb is just fine the way it is. Its simple and clean.

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently.

Sonwhy

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Sounds like they are creating a service that is 'worthy' of a fee for the PS4.

I wouldn't expect them to take out free online this gen.

Sonwhy

If PSN is charged with PS4 then I simply will not be buying a PS4 for a very very long time to come. I will be playing free games online with PS3 for a long time. Which is what I plan to do when they release the new consoles anyway.

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently. I could see myself playing one of these games 5 years later being happy with everything about it. I still think FFX has good graphics.

It's only a matter of time before Sony also charges people to play online. Like I said earlier, nothing comes free in life. Don't deny the inevitable.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Sounds like they are creating a service that is 'worthy' of a fee for the PS4.

I wouldn't expect them to take out free online this gen.

garland51

If PSN is charged with PS4 then I simply will not be buying a PS4 for a very very long time to come. I will be playing free games online with PS3 for a long time. Which is what I plan to do when they release the new consoles anyway.

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently. I could see myself playing one of these games 5 years later being happy with everything about it. I still think FFX has good graphics.

It's only a matter of time before Sony also charges people to play online. Like I said earlier, nothing comes free in life. Don't deny the inevitable.

Yup PC should be charging an extra fee for going online any moment now and I dont mean mmo's.

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

I didn't know p2p gaming was a valuable service worth paying for.

chikenfriedrice

I didn't know that's all XBL offered for 4 dollars a month

you know for 8,50 dollars more a month for 2 years, you get a ps3, See how cheap it is:)

but great marketing on ms part..

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently.

Trmpt

How much better do you think a game can get compared to crysis in regards to graphics? Not much

You see every year that goes by in gaming it gets harder and harder for these companies to come out with something that will sell many millions worth. Every gen that goes by it gets harder and harder to impress.

Look back 10 years ago and compare that with today. Now think 10 years from today what things will be like and most likely the graphics can't get that much better. Going from ps1 or N64 graphics to what is out today. Do you think there is going to be that much a jump in graphics from what is out today to what will be out in 10 years? I doubt it becuz its not possible.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Sounds like they are creating a service that is 'worthy' of a fee for the PS4.

I wouldn't expect them to take out free online this gen.

garland51

If PSN is charged with PS4 then I simply will not be buying a PS4 for a very very long time to come. I will be playing free games online with PS3 for a long time. Which is what I plan to do when they release the new consoles anyway.

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently. I could see myself playing one of these games 5 years later being happy with everything about it. I still think FFX has good graphics.

It's only a matter of time before Sony also charges people to play online. Like I said earlier, nothing comes free in life. Don't deny the inevitable.

They may do that but most people don't want to pay $50 a year for next 5, 10, 15, or x number of years just to play games online therefore people will stop buying and just buy a cheap pc becuz the graphics are not going to get that much better becuz they can't. As far as coming out with something new like what the wii did this gen well I wouldn't count on that.

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

The graphics will improve some what but I just do not see things getting that much better in a short amount of time with what is going on currently.

Sonwhy

How much better do you think a game can get compared to crysis in regards to graphics? Not much

You see every year that goes by in gaming it gets harder and harder for these companies to come out with something that will sell many millions worth. Every gen that goes by it gets harder and harder to impress.

Look back 10 years ago and compare that with today. Now think 10 years from today what things will be like and most likely the graphics can't get that much better. Going from ps1 or N64 graphics to what is out today. Do you think there is going to be that much a jump in graphics from what is out today to what will be out in 10 years? I doubt it becuz its not possible.

It would have to be something incredible for most people to buy it. The only thing most people care about is playing online for free.

T-Aldous

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"] I said something similar last gen and then this gen came along and well....yeeaaaaah.Trmpt

How much better do you think a game can get compared to crysis in regards to graphics? Not much

You see every year that goes by in gaming it gets harder and harder for these companies to come out with something that will sell many millions worth. Every gen that goes by it gets harder and harder to impress.

Look back 10 years ago and compare that with today. Now think 10 years from today what things will be like and most likely the graphics can't get that much better. Going from ps1 or N64 graphics to what is out today. Do you think there is going to be that much a jump in graphics from what is out today to what will be out in 10 years? I doubt it becuz its not possible.

If you say so. I just don't see the incentive of buying a new console for around $500 then paying for the online play when at that time I can buy a pc for around $100 that can crysis and all those good ps3 and xbox 360 games.

It would have to look incredible and I already think the games look good enough but its going to reach a point where people are going to stop paying for all these high end graphics cards and new consoles releases becuz the graphics will eventually reach a high point that they can't go beyond. Crysis is very close to that.

its going to reach a point where people are going to stop paying for all these high end graphics cards and new consoles releases becuz the graphics will eventually reach a high point that they can't go beyond. Crysis is very close to that.

Sonwhy

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

its going to reach a point where people are going to stop paying for all these high end graphics cards and new consoles releases becuz the graphics will eventually reach a high point that they can't go beyond. Crysis is very close to that.

Trmpt

Well do you have any way to prove it right now? I have not seen anything ps4 or next xbox releated yet. Maybe there is another high end pc game like crysis getting ready to come out in the next year or two?

I just don't see something getting that much better looking than this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD1VM6ML57w&feature=related

Well do you have any way to prove it right now? I have not seen anything ps4 or next xbox releated yet. Maybe there is another high end pc game like crysis getting ready to come out in the next year or two?

Sonwhy

I don't have any proof at all. But if you look at the past it is kind of a given. Technically speaking everything gets trumped.

I would think that as long as processing speed keeps increasing that developers will use it to improve 'many' different things.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

Well do you have any way to prove it right now? I have not seen anything ps4 or next xbox releated yet. Maybe there is another high end pc game like crysis getting ready to come out in the next year or two?

Trmpt

I don't have any proof at all. But if you look at the past it is kind of a given. Technically speaking everything gets trumped.

I would think that as long as processing speed keeps increasing that developers will use it to improve 'many' different things.

I expect there to be some improvements but I don't think there will be enough for me to go out and pay around $500 for a console then pay $50 for online play every year after that not too mention game prices may go up a little more. Instead of doing that I can get $100 pc that can play crysis for $30 or less along with slew of other games at cheap prices meanwhile the online is free.

I admit I have not even played half the games released this gen due to financial problems. So I'm sure these games will keep me occupied for a long time to come.

I will say there is alot of room for improvement for a game like Fallout 3 with how much more stuff they could possilbly add to that game would be incredible. Instead of having maybe 20 or 30 people that hold some type of conversation in the game I can see where they could have hundreds maybe over a thousand people that could lead to different situations. That isn't the kind of game that is played online so maybe I will buy a next gen system but not play it online but I won't buy it when its first released. I will wait for a price drop or two that should come in the first year or two.

I expect there to be some improvements but I don't think there will be enough for me to go out and pay around $500 for a console then pay $50 for online play every year after that not too mention game prices may go up a little more. Instead of doing that I can get $100 pc that can play crysis for $30 or less along with slew of other games meanwhile the online is free.

Sonwhy

I would expect PC developers to start making many more demanding games once next gen hits.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of incentive to upgrade your PC with more than what $100 would cover.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]I expect there to be some improvements but I don't think there will be enough for me to go out and pay around $500 for a console then pay $50 for online play every year after that not too mention game prices may go up a little more. Instead of doing that I can get $100 pc that can play crysis for $30 or less along with slew of other games meanwhile the online is free.

Trmpt

I would expect PC developers to start making many more demanding games once next gen hits.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of incentive to upgrade your PC with more than what $100 would cover.

Well if they can come out with a Fallout 4 like I listed above where instead of having maybe 30 people in the game you can actually talk with I would expect hundreds of people you can communicate with and I would expect them to change over time with what they might say. I would also like the game to switch from night to day as well as have changes in the weather.

There is a whole lot more that can be done with a game like Fallout 3 but I don't expect things to get near what I just listed above. Maybe in 10 or 20 years it may be like that.

When it reaches this point and it will at some point, it give people less and less of a reason to upgrade pc for hundreds of dollars or buy another console that is around the same price.

It would have to be something incredible for most people to buy it. The only thing most people care about is playing online for free.

T-Aldous

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="delta3074"]you are getting melodramatic over small change, surely your support of SONY would stretch to an extra 5 pounds a month, and you would hardy need saving from a 5 pound a month debt would you, this is the problem, , people act as if MS are charging so much for XBL we are all going to get into debt and have to sell our houses, people over dramatise and exaggerate what is essentially a 5 pounds a month subscription fee, which is slightly more than 1 pound a week, yet i don't see anybody here complaining about WoW subscrition fee's,starngedelta3074

I will say this though that if something like Onlive or one of those companies comes out with something than there is a very good chance I will say good by to consoles. It just depends if they come out with this service and how much they want to charge for it becuz I'm pretty sure they will have good games to play and they will have up to date games.

Cool, can I throw $ony around mindlessly like the cows do with M$ now?

Actually I've known this for over a month, all I know is that this just leaves them open with some loopholes. AKA charging for new releases to play online.

PS3 just looks too inconsistent in so many ways, this just adds to it.

I would also like the game to switch from night to day as well as have changes in the weather.

sonwhy

You mean like this? That is one of the reasons I can't wait for next gen. The immersion that that will bring is going to be incredible.

And even in that trailer there are many things that could be improved;

the amount of particles that fly into the air from one of the meteors hiting the ground just aren't enough for me,

the light that is created when a comet hits the ground is also low quality,

there doesn't seem to be enough peices of the pillar that break apart when hit by a meteor.

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There is a whole lot more that can be done with a game like Fallout 3 but I don't expect things to get near what I just listed above. Maybe in 10 or 20 years it may be like that.

When it reaches this point and it will at some point, it give people less and less of a reason to upgrade pc for hundreds of dollars or buy another console that is around the same price.

Sonwhy

I really do doubt that it will take any where near 10 years to pull off what you described should be in a game like Fall Out 3. Isn't the new Star Wars game going to have hundreds of non-repeated charcters?

That might be an exageration but if they are starting to do that now I don't think it to be too of an unreachable thing to accomplish on next gen hardware, I could be wrong though.

I said next gen hardware because the game will have to have that many characters and still have the graphical quality of a next gen game.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Odrec"] It is 5 punds or whatever because it is just MS but what if every company that provides a service over the internet decides to charge a fee since MS is so succesful? Suddenly we will have to pay 5 for XBL, 5 for PSN, 5 for whatever the Wii uses, 5 for steam, 5 for any other company that works through a computer that uses internet as their base. That's the worry that MS comes and makes stuff like this popular. We will then be filled with having to pay for services that should be "free" to begin with.Odrec

So you have a problem and it's Microsoft's fault? The blame game is too old nowadays.

Any game with multiplayer is essentially endless, so where were we going with that?

Microsoft doesn't add dedicateds for a few reasons:

Party chat becomes null and void, servers aren't going to communicate with each other if they're different games.

It's up to game companies to provide the servers, if Xbox acts as our server, then we have no worry to ever lose online play towards a game when its' company is out of business.

Infinity Ward did not provide dedicated servers for PS3, not only that but many companies don't offer dedicated to PSN, they make the choice. Sony makes games that they have their name on with dedicated servers no matter what.

Considering the large amounts of money lost on just selling the 360 early on, coupled with the RRoD fund, they have to. And that money goes to better use anyhow. Games like 1 vs. 100 is purely unique...and they hand out free stuff for PAYING for their services. Overall, Microsoft has known how to handle this online service thing the best way possible. PSN is basically a mirror image that Sony crafted to combat Live, but it won't ever be as good.

The 3 bucks I pay is hardly worth fretting over, the MMO I stopped paying for costed 3x as much and that was only one game.

[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="delta3074"]but MS where not the first to charge for playing a game online where they? thats my point, you can't blame them for starting something that they didn't actually start, besides, where do you think all the money SONY could earn would go? probably to funding first party titles, it's a win-win situation for everyone, for as little as 5 pounds a month, and you know as well as i do that it was going to come down to this in the end anyway, it doesn't matter who started it, it was always going to end up this way, with everyone paying to play online, eventuallyHavocV3

So you have a problem and it's Microsoft's fault? The blame game is too old nowadays.

Any game with multiplayer is essentially endless, so where were we going with that?

Microsoft doesn't add dedicateds for a few reasons:

Party chat becomes null and void, servers aren't going to communicate with each other if they're different games.

It's up to game companies to provide the servers, if Xbox acts as our server, then we have no worry to ever lose online play towards a game when its' company is out of business.

Infinity Ward did not provide dedicated servers for PS3, not only that but many companies don't offer dedicated to PSN, they make the choice. Sony makes games that they have their name on with dedicated servers no matter what.

Considering the large amounts of money lost on just selling the 360 early on, coupled with the RRoD fund, they have to. And that money goes to better use anyhow. Games like 1 vs. 100 is purely unique...and they hand out free stuff for PAYING for their services. Overall, Microsoft has known how to handle this online service thing the best way possible. PSN is basically a mirror image that Sony crafted to combat Live, but it won't ever be as good.

The 3 bucks I pay is hardly worth fretting over, the MMO I stopped paying for costed 3x as much and that was only one game.

Playing online will say free. Monthly charges will be for a premium service, most likely inc. things like cross-game chat, party systems etc etc Good idea to pay for their dedicated servers while not forcing any gamers to pay to play. Unlike MS.tirralirra

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] They were the first to do something as ridiculous as this. Before them only some MMOs charged because their approach is different. Companies that do MMOs usually don't release several iterations of the game periodically because the games are "infinite" in a way so they have to charge a monthly fee as their main revenue. Normal games usually include online but is not expected to be the main focus and iterations of the game come more frequently which is the main revenue. Also this fee is a revenue to the maker of the game, MS is getting revenue to play online games that they don't even own even after you pay for the online portion of the game. MS doesn't even provide dedicated servers to the games something even PSN does for their biggest games! MS introduced something never before seen in video games and it is a change for the worse. I can't believe it was going to come to this before MS because charging for online is one the most ridiculously stupid things I've ever seen in the history of gaming and I only can picture a company like MS doing it. Now that this fiasco worked then others may follow and that's really sad for consumers in general but then again MS tends to ruin things doing stuff like that.Odrec

So you have a problem and it's Microsoft's fault? The blame game is too old nowadays.

Any game with multiplayer is essentially endless, so where were we going with that?

Microsoft doesn't add dedicateds for a few reasons:

Party chat becomes null and void, servers aren't going to communicate with each other if they're different games.

It's up to game companies to provide the servers, if Xbox acts as our server, then we have no worry to ever lose online play towards a game when its' company is out of business.

Infinity Ward did not provide dedicated servers for PS3, not only that but many companies don't offer dedicated to PSN, they make the choice. Sony makes games that they have their name on with dedicated servers no matter what.

Considering the large amounts of money lost on just selling the 360 early on, coupled with the RRoD fund, they have to. And that money goes to better use anyhow. Games like 1 vs. 100 is purely unique...and they hand out free stuff for PAYING for their services. Overall, Microsoft has known how to handle this online service thing the best way possible. PSN is basically a mirror image that Sony crafted to combat Live, but it won't ever be as good.

The 3 bucks I pay is hardly worth fretting over, the MMO I stopped paying for costed 3x as much and that was only one game.

Its a matter of time IMO.

heysharpshooter

I agree,

Sony is still losing money on the PS3 and they have to sart making some profit some where.

They can make it from games, but they may not be enough and playing catchup with the online service will not justify the payment towards it so they wil have to make something that's worth it.

Home??- that's still foever in Beta testing.

The online Market>??- It sounds like they are trying to follow Apples Itunes model.

charge for PSN-??

Sony has to start making some profit some time soon.

Sony is not a charity! It's a business

I Hate when everyone says that the only difference in XBL & PSN is "Cross game chat" and ignore the fact that games stay alive longer on XBL to. The amount of players playing that game last alot longer. And for me thats a big plus.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It is a bonus over the 360. Let's say the next gen consoles come out in 2012, this gen you will have paid $350 just to play online and use a few features. Instead of me paying that, I will have been able to buy nearly 6 new games.

If Sony does charge, they will probably keep online MP free, sine they know that is a major selling point for them. They will probably come up with a bunch of features/extras and charge for that while keeping online free. That is fine since the fee is not forced upon gamers the way XBL is

BPoole96

PC Gaming= Free

Wii Online= Free

PSn= Free

XBL= $50

Why?

because on PC their are gamers that PAY so YOU can play free

In a few years I bet even PC gaming will be paid...or there will be a buttload of ADS

You don't think all the people who have bought a PS3 would be angry after they decided to charge for PSN? How many times in history have you seen in a disclaimer where it says that they could impose a fee if necessary and actually do it?JunkTrap

Sony has to make a profit sooner or later.

they could cut costs or increase fees.

It's not for playing online so I don't care.

Chutebox

i hav a stinking feeling this is just the beginning. this gen is far from over n by the end of it u have to pay to play online with psn. i dont care i would happily pay $100 a year for psn becoz sony is the best