Sony: MOVE is better than mouse and keyboard.

you guys are feeding the troll, i'm disappointed, anyway it probably will for some people and it probably won't and no one has had a chance to use it with a rts soo ehh, maybe, maybe not

Chris_Williams

what movie is your sig from?

You can't beat the precision of a KB/Mouse. On top of that, the Keyboard has tons of different options in terms of customization. Sony is simply trying to stir up more hype with false promises.

reading comprehension in this thread is astounding, not only are people not reading the article, they are selectively ignoring other posters who claim this not to be true..

For shame TC, misleading thread ftl

I don't believe that motion cointrols can be better or even equal to a mouse. I believe part of what makes motion controls less valuable than a mouse or track pad is the fact that human error has to play into the equation. Using a mouse, you're making direct contact with a surface, and you don't have to "aim" at elements. The cursor is always at a relative position and you go from there. With motion control, you have to point at a faraway screen to make very precise quick movements. I don't think they will ever be equal, no matter how the technology is.

It looks like a nice jump from the typical gamepad but due to lack of buttons and any input inconsistencies it's probably not as fluid as KB/M

Well thats a funny joke :lol:

Going to have to be a simple console rts like halo wars for it to work well on move but they should really go the pikmin route and create a uniqe experience that actually works well on consoles instead of just simplyfying pc rts and I just can't see move being better for playing something like sc2 or men of war.

He is out of his ****ing mind. :|Stevo_the_gamer

The man behind Sony's PlayStation Move controller has claimed that the peripheral feels better for RTS games than the humble mouse and keyboard.

Dr. Richard Marks told CVG that the wand-like device will impact the design of RTS games in future - bringing them into the 3D plane.

"I think that PC RTS games are designed right now for the mouse and keyboard, but I think the Move can work with the more general idea of an RTS really well," he said.

"It could play a PC RTS really well, but I think there is modifications on the RTS genre that will be really good with. I play a lot of RTS games but the way I think about it is you have a landscape below you with all the troops, and imagine you're the general and you just want to look out over your troops and select guys - tell them to attack there.

"You really feel like this general or god-like person that can manipulate huge armies.

"I think that with Move would feel way better than a mouse for that, for example, and doing things that require some 3D information is much better with Move. The RTS genre has been designed not to require any 3D information, but having that extra dimension and all the angle data that we have too is also very interesting."

Very bold words! Wonder if it'll pay off!

Link.

Zune_HD

Camera Mouse http://www.cameramouse.org/

http://larryo.org/work/information/umouse/index.htmlAnother camera mouse software i.e. uMouse

http://www.camspace.com/Another camera mouse/controller software i.e. CamSpace

It seems like people are taking what the guy said out of context.Zero5000X

no, they are just trolling at this point....everyone pointed them to read the article and more....but it is obvious they are just trolling...

I don't think this place should be called system wars anymore...."system trolls" might be a better description...

If the wiimote isn't, how would the (identical) Move do any better as a mouse replacement?

That said, the wiimote and move have great pointers.

Probably, but I can't sit there for hours pointing my arm at the TV all day...it's just uncomfortable. DethSkematik

Then don't do that. You'd think by the way people talk about pointers that it was 2005...

sony still loves to make ridiculous claims.

KarateeeChop

the closest thing to mouse and keyboard is the wiimote and thats all i could think of

the closest thing to mouse and keyboard is the wiimote and thats all i could think of

Mario1331

Don't forget the power glove.

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the closest thing to mouse and keyboard is the wiimote and thats all i could think of

Sheppard212

Don't forget the power glove.

yea that too

I don't know about RTS but motion controls are far better for FPS games. The wii's motion controls are actually very accurate and smooth, unfortunatly there aren't really any decent games to back up the controls.gamebreakerz__

There are more things wrong with this post than the Soviet nuclear power program.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]I don't know about RTS but motion controls are far better for FPS games. The wii's motion controls are actually very accurate and smooth, unfortunatly there aren't really any decent games to back up the controls.Sheppard212

There are more things wrong with this post than the Soviet nuclear power program.

*Sigh* Want me to make a list of every FPS I've play for the PC, PS2 or 360? No thanks. You can't get the same control or accuracy out of a Wii mote that you can a mouse and board. And yes, I've used the Wii mote and I'm not to impressed by it.

But I'm smart enough to know the two can't compare, there's no "maniless" about it either way.

*Sigh* Want me to make a list of every FPS I've play for the PC, PS2 or 360? No thanks. You can't get the same control or accuracy out of a Wii mote that you can a mouse and board. And yes, I've used the Wii mote and I'm not to impressed by it.

But I'm smart enough to know the two can't compare, there's no "maniless" about it either way.

So wait...does this make the Wii mote and Nunchuck better than a Mouse and Keyboard?

*Sigh* Want me to make a list of every FPS I've play for the PC, PS2 or 360? No thanks. You can't get the same control or accuracy out of a Wii mote that you can a mouse and board. And yes, I've used the Wii mote and I'm not to impressed by it.

But I'm smart enough to know the two can't compare, there's no "maniless" about it either way.

Can't blame the TC for the misleading topic title. CVG posted the flamebait title, which has become somewhat standard in games journalism...

When he uses the word "better", he was referring to this statement: "You really feel like this general or god-like person that can manipulate huge armies".

He feels that the Move controller gives you a better immersion regarding the "god" aspect of the game: "I think that with Move would feel way better than a mouse for that, for example" (referring to the aforementioned quote). I'm guessing he thinks that the Move controller feels more like an extension of your hand / arm versus a mouse. Thanks the the z-axis / free space providing a sensation of entering the game world and manipulating it.

He never said the Move controller would be better than the mouse & keyboard concerning precision. Nor did he say that the Move allows for easier management over a mouse & keyboard. Hell, when he said "better", he was only referring to the mouse itself.

He then went on to explain that 3D + Move can add another layer of immersion that's not standard for the genre.

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For those of you interested in how an RTS could work with Move, in general, check out this video (starting @ 1:50):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uF_fasPphc&feature=player_embedded#!

Wave a light up wand, or a keyboard's worth of hotkeys and the precision, speed and input of a mouse.
Yes we are going to see professional starcraft players adopt motion controls, am I right.

Oh and one more thing.

This guy has not heard of Homeworld, which functioned perfectly with a mouse and Keyboard - this is a game that uses 3D information.

not a chance in hell a gyroscope is going to match the precision of a high end gaming mouse.

well that will be answered when an RTS game will be released for PS3 using Move :) (we'll see what happens)

For now i still believe K+M is the best way to control an RTS game..

What's next, replace the mouse for the "more precise" wand/wii controler when working in photo shop or illustrator? Unless you have cyborg arms there is no way you will be able to holdthis thing stable in your hand with the arm stretched out. This is stupidity at it's finest.

Wave a light up wand, or a keyboard's worth of hotkeys and the precision, speed and input of a mouse.
Yes we are going to see professional starcraft players adopt motion controls, am I right.

skrat_01

The keyboard allows for so many input options and flexibility. The Move won't be able to out do that, everyone knows it!

Yeah, it's not gonna become the standard control choice for professional gamers I'm sure lol.

Oh and one more thing.

This guy has not heard of Homeworld, which functioned perfectly with a mouse and Keyboard - this is a game that uses 3D information.

skrat_01

Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. Perhaps Dr. Marks thinks (from experience) that the Move controller is better suited when it comes to immersion in 3D RTSs. With the Move, it could feel and look like you're directly interacting with the information on-screen (Minority Report-esque) as opposed to sliding your hand on the desk, away from the monitor. That's how I interpret it. I'm sure (and I hope he does) think 3D RTSs are workable and intuitive on the PC.

Is this the same man that said that the PS2 eyetoy could do full body tracking? I thought you need two cameras to do that?

Is this the same man that said that the PS2 eyetoy could do full body tracking? I thought you need two cameras to do that?

xhawk27

The PS3 eye does full body traking dude,the other camera on Kinect what it does is depth perception Kinect with just 1 camera would be able as well,hell even the Eye toy did full body tracking from what i know.

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Wave a light up wand, or a keyboard's worth of hotkeys and the precision, speed and input of a mouse.
Yes we are going to see professional starcraft players adopt motion controls, am I right.

Episode_Eve

The keyboard allows for so many input options and flexibility. The Move won't be able to out do that, everyone knows it!

Yeah, it's not gonna become the standard control choice for professional gamers I'm sure lol.

Oh and one more thing.

This guy has not heard of Homeworld, which functioned perfectly with a mouse and Keyboard - this is a game that uses 3D information.

skrat_01

Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. Perhaps Dr. Marks thinks (from experience) that the Move controller is better suited when it comes to immersion in 3D RTSs. With the Move, it could feel and look like you're directly interacting with the information on-screen (Minority Report-esque) as opposed to sliding your hand on the desk, away from the monitor. That's how I interpret it. I'm sure (and I hope he does) think 3D RTSs are workable and intuitive on the PC.

Wave a light up wand, or a keyboard's worth of hotkeys and the precision, speed and input of a mouse.
Yes we are going to see professional starcraft players adopt motion controls, am I right.

Oh and one more thing.

This guy has not heard of Homeworld, which functioned perfectly with a mouse and Keyboard - this is a game that uses 3D information.

skrat_01

Light up wand? I swore it was a dil when I first saw it.

oooooh Sony. I love you but I don't agree with that comment at all.

oooooh Sony. I love you but I don't agree with that comment at all.

The_Gaming_Baby

I hope is not the comment named as the thread because sony didn't say that,like always people get things out of context to start a war.

Is like saying the bomb on a plane,even if you are saying man Beyonce is a da bomb,when they ask who say bomb,everyone will point at you and say you say you have a bomb..:D

Well, I definitely wouldn't want to play Starcraft (or RTS) with Move... :|

Homeworld on the PC did the 3rd dimensional movement thing well 10 years ago, I don't know what he's talking about. I mean, he doesn't know what he's talking about. :D

br0kenrabbit

Well, I definitely wouldn't want to play Starcraft (or RTS) with Move... :|

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Homeworld on the PC did the 3rd dimensional movement thing well 10 years ago, I don't know what he's talking about. I mean, he doesn't know what he's talking about. :D

Doom_HellKnight

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Wave a light up wand, or a keyboard's worth of hotkeys and the precision, speed and input of a mouse.
Yes we are going to see professional starcraft players adopt motion controls, am I right.

Oh and one more thing.

This guy has not heard of Homeworld, which functioned perfectly with a mouse and Keyboard - this is a game that uses 3D information.

ExESGO

Light up wand? I swore it was a dil when I first saw it.