I totally agree with this guy (#1 comment from source provided above)
get2sammyb said:
I really believe that they're lowballing the estimates a bit. Personal opinion, but I think it'll do more than five million by March — assuming that the launch goes well and there aren't any major issues. We'll see.
EDIT: I should stress that it's not going to be much more than that, but I could see them hitting six million if hype stays high and inFAMOUS is really good.
Well when you are trendsetters and have Innovation-->Technology-->Value as your hallmarks all the while living by gamers for gamers mantra, people take notice. Well played Sony.
“That hurdle has been cleared. We’re very, very confident that we’re in great shape.”
I don't doubt that they will sell that much, probably more. But pre-orders don't equal sold products. If I went and put $10 down on Knack, KZ and a few other games, does that mean since I pre-ordered it, it's sold? Even though I didn't pay off the pre-order yet?
Preorders do not equal sales, especially when those systems will be sold twice. With any launch systems there are always the people the will buy them just to up sell them for the holidays on Ebay/Craigslist wherever. I'm sure as long as Sony puts 5 million consoles out there by March there will be 5 Million sold though, people think it's the next coming of something great? It's a graphic bump, and pay to play online system, with features 360 already has(excluding a few). I know it's been a long current gen but all they hype around both systems is gonna be a let down for those really hyped. The graphic bump isn't as stellar, as we've seen before, the PS4 launch games aren't that exciting, I'm expecting a lot of people to be let down!
I don't doubt that they will sell that much, probably more. But pre-orders don't equal sold products. If I went and put $10 down on Knack, KZ and a few other games, does that mean since I pre-ordered it, it's sold? Even though I didn't pay off the pre-order yet?
According to some people on this forum, it does.
We're talking about a product that has been nationally out of stock ever since E3. The preorders will be sales.
Preorders do not equal sales, especially when those systems will be sold twice. With any launch systems there are always the people the will buy them just to up sell them for the holidays on Ebay/Craigslist wherever. I'm sure as long as Sony puts 5 million consoles out there by March there will be 5 Million sold though, people think it's the next coming of something great? It's a graphic bump, and pay to play online system, with features 360 already has(excluding a few). I know it's been a long current gen but all they hype around both systems is gonna be a let down for those really hyped. The graphic bump isn't as stellar, as we've seen before, the PS4 launch games aren't that exciting, I'm expecting a lot of people to be let down!
Those double sells only work if Sony can't keep up with demand. If they can, then people will just pay normal price at the store instead of the jacked up prices on Ebay and sites like it.
Sony has yet to launch more than 1 million PSs ever. What makes you think they'll all of a sudden have enough for 3 million on the 15th? No console launch has ever reached 3 million on release.
@AmazonTreeBoa: And you really think Sony or MS are gonna put out enough systems so that doesn't happen, and if either did put enough out there so that doesn't happen I wouldn't touch that rushed first released system with for anything!!
That is the first Sony success story in the company's history. Bravo Sony! Way to pull it off!
Dat rage
Da fuq do you get rage from? Cheer up though. The PS4 isn't gonna suck too bad.
Thanks for proving my point.
So easy to incite a raging lem into full-on defense mode
Sure, for you. You got me. I am so angry right now I might go bite my pillow and have a good cry. You have exposed my weakness and It hurts. I don't know how you can be so mean to someone. lol.
That is the first Sony success story in the company's history. Bravo Sony! Way to pull it off!
Dat rage
Da fuq do you get rage from? Cheer up though. The PS4 isn't gonna suck too bad.
Thanks for proving my point.
So easy to incite a raging lem into full-on defense mode
Sure, for you. You got me. I am so angry right now I might go bite my pillow and have a good cry. You have exposed my weakness and It hurts. I don't know how you can be so mean to someone. lol.
@AmazonTreeBoa: And you really think Sony or MS are gonna put out enough systems so that doesn't happen, and if either did put enough out there so that doesn't happen I wouldn't touch that rushed first released system with for anything!!
Always a chance. I have no clue what kind of manufacturing factory numbers they have going on. If they can pump out 2 million a month, then I see no reason why they can't keep up with demand. It's not really all that hard to keep up if you are prepared for it and plan out your launch.
"I'll pay anyone $1000 if they can find a single PS4 sitting on the shelf."
- Jack Tretton
The trick is to find someone with a preorder, get him to cancel it a day after launch day, take a photograph of the console when it's put on shelf, receive $1000 from jacky t, and you both get a ps4 for free. 8)
Thanks for the link. Good thing for them they are now charging for online service. So the loss will be even less for them. They seem to be set up to do a whole lot better than they did with the PS3.
Thanks for the link. Good thing for them they are now charging for online service. So the loss will be even less for them. They seem to be set up to do a whole lot better than they did with the PS3.
It's a 60 dollar loss on each unit sold, which means with PSN+ alone it'll take Sony a year to make their loss back on each PS4 sold.
Thanks for the link. Good thing for them they are now charging for online service. So the loss will be even less for them. They seem to be set up to do a whole lot better than they did with the PS3.
It's a 60 dollar loss on each unit sold, which means with PSN+ alone it'll take Sony a year to make their loss back on each PS4 sold.
They make the money back really quickly through game sales.
Thanks for the link. Good thing for them they are now charging for online service. So the loss will be even less for them. They seem to be set up to do a whole lot better than they did with the PS3.
It's a 60 dollar loss on each unit sold, which means with PSN+ alone it'll take Sony a year to make their loss back on each PS4 sold.
No, the instant the person buys a year (which most will), that is $50 from each person that buys a year (more each year if they don't buy the whole year at once). Sony doesn't have to wait a year for that money. Sure some will not buy a whole year, but that is still instant money the first money. Then there is the fact that as time goes on, the cost to make each console will go down. And naturally they will work as fast as possible to get those cost down so they don't have that $60 loss with each console. Not sure what you are really trying to get at here, but I do know this. Sony is in good shape with the PS4 and to think otherwise is just letting your fanboy show. And if that is the case, then our conversation is over because I really don't feel like going back and forth with a blind raging fanboy.
If they're selling at a loss of $60*5000000 = -$300000000... how many copies of Knack and KZ do they need to sell to make up the losses?
Not many considering they also charge for online now, which is something some of you seem to keep forgetting. Sure that sucks for anybody buying a PS4, me included, but it is good for Sony.
Thanks for the link. Good thing for them they are now charging for online service. So the loss will be even less for them. They seem to be set up to do a whole lot better than they did with the PS3.
It's a 60 dollar loss on each unit sold, which means with PSN+ alone it'll take Sony a year to make their loss back on each PS4 sold.
They make the money back really quickly through game sales.
Sure, but I was only addressing PSN+ because the guy was implying that Sony could make their losses back on PSN+ alone, and they could, only it would take a year.
Thanks for the link. Good thing for them they are now charging for online service. So the loss will be even less for them. They seem to be set up to do a whole lot better than they did with the PS3.
It's a 60 dollar loss on each unit sold, which means with PSN+ alone it'll take Sony a year to make their loss back on each PS4 sold.
NO, the instant the person buys a year (which most will), that is $50 for each person that buys a year (more each year if they don't buy the whole year at once.). Sony doesn't have to wait a year for that money. Sure some will not buy a whole year, but that is still instant money the first money. Then there is the fact that as time goes on, the cost to make each console will go down. And naturally they will work as fast as possible to get those cost down so they don't have that $60 loss with each console. Not sure what you are really trying to get at here, but I do know this. Sony is in good shape with the PS4 and to think otherwise is just letting your fanboy show. And if that is the case, then our conversation is over because I really don't feel like going back and forth with a blind raging fanboy.
If people buy the PSN+ for 50 dollars Sony STILL isn't going to make their money back in a year, they'll still be 10 dollars short of what they lost on each PS4 sold. So yes, going strictly off PSN+ Sony won't be able to make their money back.
Then there's the fact that the cost to make each console will go down? Really? Can I borrow your crystal ball? Because I sure would like to know what the next powerball numbers are. What a stupid argument, I can just as easily argue that the PS4 will go through several price drops which will negate saving money on lower production cost.
Sony lost money with the PS3, they're going to lose money with the PS4, you're argument of PSN+ making their money back has failed. I'm sorry that you aren't intelligent enough to understand a simple accounting principles and even 3rd grade mathematics but I'm not responsible for education you,. Have a nice day.
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