Sony owns the top two devs in the industry

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Ok, so this gen Valve have done.... L4D, L4D2, Portal, HL2 EP 1, HL2 EP2 and TF2. GG have done KZ2. Nice logic :P789shadow

Owned. :lol:

Once again, he was foiled by mathematics. :P

Mathmatics?

Noooooo!

:P

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]what's so great about Naughty Dog? All I see is Uncharted . After that its garbage like Crash Bandicoot. Never played a Jak & Daxter but it's hardly lighting the industry on fire hd5870corei7

Untrue. Below are the gamespot scores for every Naughty Dog game since Crash Bandicoot:

Crash Bandicoot: 6.8

Crash Bandicoot 2: 8.6

Crash Bandicoot 3: 8.9

Crash Team Racing: 8.4

Jak & Daxter: 8.8

Jak II: 9.1

Jak 3: 8.6

Jak X: Combat Racing: 7.9

Uncharted: 8.0

Uncharted 2: 9.5

Solid, consistent AA developer. Nothing wrong with that, but being solid AA doesn't get you mentioned in the same breath as Blizzard, Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, etc.

While Halo 3 has a great multiplayer, it has a terrible campaign. Even Halo's fans agree that it has a bad campaign.civic_misfit

nintendo owns probably the top talented devs. along with ea.

sony devs are talented but your going ahead of yourself my friend

Pretty sure Sony doesn't own Blizzard, Valve, Nintendo, Bioware, DICE.

Guerrilla.....Guerilla.....:lol::lol:x10

maybe Naughty Dog, but Guerilla's 'talent' is nothing to Bungie and Valve.

they're probably as talented as Epic...but not Bungie or Valve. just not even close.....

thanks for the laugh though.;)

nintendo owns probably the top talented devs. along with ea.

sony devs are talented but your going ahead of yourself my friend

Mario1331

Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games are some of the most talented developers in the industry today. Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are the most immersive, atmospheric games yet released on consoles. Their games are the only games that deserve to be called HD. Both run at 720p with 2xAA and the best character design and animations seen today.

This gen, Sony managed to dismantle the graphics giants of last gen. ND and GG have outclassed Epic and even Valve in graphics and gameplay. Uncharted 2 makes Gears 2 look like a launch game. This gen, all Valve has done is complain about the ps3's architecture while releasing a left 4 dead game every year on a 2004 engine. To say they are past their prime would be an understatement.

Guerrilla.....Guerilla.....:lol::lol:x10

maybe Naughty Dog, but Guerilla's 'talent' is nothing to Bungie and Valve.

they're probably as talented as Epic...but not Bungie or Valve. just not even close.....

thanks for the laugh though.;)

HavocV3

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nintendo owns probably the top talented devs. along with ea.

sony devs are talented but your going ahead of yourself my friend

GunSmith1_basic

yea but i mean he saying sony has the top two devs there is many great devs and i like sonys dev teams but they aint the top two.

Nonono... Why don't YOU tell me why you think Bungie belongs up the top with Kojima Productions, Valve, Blizzard, Bioware, Rockstar North, and Naughty Dog? Let me guess. Halo CE invented the FPS genre? Halo 2 invented online multiplayer? Halo 3 is open world best editor and most amazing story in FPS ever?hd5870corei7

Naughty Dog is by far a better dev than Bungie.hd5870corei7

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]what's so great about Naughty Dog? All I see is Uncharted . After that its garbage like Crash Bandicoot. Never played a Jak & Daxter but it's hardly lighting the industry on fire Mark36111

Untrue. Below are the gamespot scores for every Naughty Dog game since Crash Bandicoot:

Crash Bandicoot: 6.8

Crash Bandicoot 2: 8.6

Crash Bandicoot 3: 8.9

Crash Team Racing: 8.4

Jak & Daxter: 8.8

Jak II: 9.1

Jak 3: 8.6

Jak X: Combat Racing: 7.9

Uncharted: 8.0

Uncharted 2: 9.5

Solid, consistent AA developer. Nothing wrong with that, but being solid AA doesn't get you mentioned in the same breath as Blizzard, Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, etc.

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] Well you can't... Because they are not.hd5870corei7

For me, they did revitalise FPS' on consoles.

I remember playing Halo CE (although I was very young), but thinking wow....this game is great.

Halo 2 was another spectacular AAA game, and the same with Halo 3 - which I still play today, whilst other games have come and gone, and it still feels fresh.

Halo Reach seems to be one of the best shooters upcoming (on any platform), and that's partly down to Bungie's care - which YOU will witness (hopefully) when they release their next IP. They listen to their fans too, regularly changing playlists/game types to suit what the fans want.

Now it's your turn to tell me why they're not worthy.

Edit: Don't forget Myth or Marathon series either.

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"]Naughty Dog is by far a better dev than Bungie.Silverbond

@hd5870corei7 UC1 is not AAA on gamerankingsmoose_knuckler

Oni didn't even get review here on Gamespot but it got a 7.5 on IGN (Bungie are AAA ONLY DEVS, EVERYTHING THEY MAKE IS AAA! :roll:)

Marathon 2 didnt get reviewed on IGN either but it has a review score of a 7.0 (Single A)

[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="hd5870corei7"]Naughty Dog is by far a better dev than Bungie.hd5870corei7

Yet those boring copy and paste games managed to only get them 9.7, 9.4, 9.5 and 9.0. And then those boring copy and pasted features were soon implemented into 90% of today's console shooters.

They also Made Marathon which was the pinnacle of FPS back in the early 90's and once again those features were once again used by future shooters.

If you make something perfect almost every time there is no need to switch it up. Attempting to slight Bungie for that is laughable at best.

And in a few months Bungie will be releasing another copy and paste game that will most likely get a 9.5..................lol

[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="hd5870corei7"]Naughty Dog is by far a better dev than Bungie.hd5870corei7

Retro Studios>Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games

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[QUOTE="Silverbond"] What makes you say that?Fizzman

Yet those boring copy and paste games managed to only get them 9.7, 9.4, 9.5 and 9.0. And then those boring copy and pasted features were soon implemented into 90% of today's console shooters.

They also Made Marathon which was the pinnacle of FPS back in the early 90's and once again those features were once again used by future shooters.

If you make something perfect almost every time there is no need to switch it up. Attempting to slight Bungie for that is laughable at best.

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[QUOTE="Silverbond"] What makes you say that?Ravensmash

Gurilla Games hasn't even reach Bungie status as far as top developers go. In my opinion the best developer this generation is deffinately Nintendo, in fact one could say they have been the best developers for 25 years running now.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] Variety. When was the last time Bungie made a non-Halo game? Wasn't that 1999? That PC game, forgot its name. Its not hard having a consistent record when all you do is basically copy/pasta your formula on the next game without actually telling a story or giving an experience which is unique. Naughty Dog made some really good titles before they started on the PS1. a few on PC and one of Sega's consoles I believe, but I don't think GS made reviews that far back :P In the PS1 era Naughty Dog gave us 4 games, which for the most part, were AA games. Then in the PS2 era, they make a new ip and give us AA-AAA rated games (9.4 and 9.6 scoring on IGN!) 4 really high quality games. And this generation they've made to great AAA games. UC1 and UC2. UC2 winning more goty's than any other game in existence with 111 GAME OF THE YEAR AWARDS

hd5870corei7

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] Variety. When was the last time Bungie made a non-Halo game? Wasn't that 1999? That PC game, forgot its name. Its not hard having a consistent record when all you do is basically copy/pasta your formula on the next game without actually telling a story or giving an experience which is unique. Naughty Dog made some really good titles before they started on the PS1. a few on PC and one of Sega's consoles I believe, but I don't think GS made reviews that far back :P In the PS1 era Naughty Dog gave us 4 games, which for the most part, were AA games. Then in the PS2 era, they make a new ip and give us AA-AAA rated games (9.4 and 9.6 scoring on IGN!) 4 really high quality games. And this generation they've made to great AAA games. UC1 and UC2. UC2 winning more goty's than any other game in existence with 111 GAME OF THE YEAR AWARDS

hd5870corei7

This is gamespot and UC1 is definitely not a AAA game.

Neither of those developers are Blizzard, Nintendo, Bioware. GG top devs in the industry? Best Laugh I had all dayDiviniuz

[QUOTE="civic_misfit"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Nothing about that is next gen gameplay. The Wii has been around for 4 years (about the Move part) and 3D graphics are that, graphics, not gameplay.93soccer

UC1 ISN'T a AAA :? It scored a 8.0

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[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] Uhhhh Crash games were AA-AAA and Jak games were AAA all of them. What are you talking about. Biased opinion is biased.hd5870corei7

Untrue. Below are the gamespot scores for every Naughty Dog game since Crash Bandicoot:

Crash Bandicoot: 6.8

Crash Bandicoot 2: 8.6

Crash Bandicoot 3: 8.9

Crash Team Racing: 8.4

Jak & Daxter: 8.8

Jak II: 9.1

Jak 3: 8.6

Jak X: Combat Racing: 7.9

Uncharted: 8.0

Uncharted 2: 9.5

Solid, consistent AA developer. Nothing wrong with that, but being solid AA doesn't get you mentioned in the same breath as Blizzard, Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, etc.

what your not getting is they are not as consistent as the heavy hitters. Just because ND made UC2 probably their first highly praised game does not mean they been doing it for a long time or done it that much.

Not trying to slug off Bungie as a great dev, since every Halo game they made were AAA. But honestly, putting them next to developers like the ones I will mention in post below just isn't right.

Valvemade countless mods for their engines, which are easily the best multiplayer FPS experiences around and Half life and Half Life 2 being known being the best FPS games ever made and scoring AAA while winning around 50 goty's each (+ Portal won loads in '07) And Half Life was the big GOTY winner of '98 and Half Life 2 the big GOTY winner of 2004.

Blizzard the dev that makes the most addictive games out there (reviews for games like Diablo 2, don't do justice, because it takes 3 years until you get good, and once your good, the 4th,5th,6th,7th + year you play will be much more enjoyable) and warcraft series, and starcraft being known as the best RTS of all time. And then there's WoW...

Rockstar North - Grand Theft Auto III changed the way we played games, and Vice City, San Andreas were AAA games with it, not only did R*N give us quality games but they were also revolutionary. GTAIV being AAAA on GS (Ugh I still hate it though) And then they made RDR which has a chance of being the GOTY of this year. *Grand Theft Auto III was the big goty winner of 2001*

Kojima Productions - Back in 1987 Hideo Kojima and his team made a revolutionary game; Metal Gear, that created (if not, it atleast launched) the stealth genre. It got a sequel; Metal Gear 2 , and he made other games that sadly did not have any reviews but they did get high praise back in their days like The Snatcher and Policenauts. Then in '98, Metal Gear Solid (IGN's #1 PS1 game, which says A LOT) pushed the industry into making cut-scenes and actually investing in voice actors so that they can deliever great voice acting in games. (Imagine playing games where devs did not care for voice acting? :( ) The GBC version of this game being AAAA on IGN, AAA here. MGS2 scoring like 9.6 or 9.7, along side Metal Gear Solid 3 being two of the top10 best games on the PS2. Portable Ops and Peace Walker (AAA handheld games) the Acid games weren't that special, but they were more than decent.

Of course we have their best game which is Metal Gear Solid 4. To Quote from the review giving it AAAA on this site:

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other."

Also MGS4 has been hailed by major reviewers as the best game game of all time.

Bioware Star Wars KOTOR (big goty winner of 2003) Never Winter Nights, Jade Empire (which scored a 9.9 on IGN!) Mass Effect being AAA every where except GS (well 9.0 on PC! :P) and Mass Effect 2 is AAA with an average as high as UC2's. Dragon Age Origins was one of the best games of 2009.

Did Bungie ever get a mass GOTY winning title? Nope. Does Bungie have a strong modding community? Nope. Did Bungie revolutionize gaming? Nope. Did Bungie created a new genre? Nope. Does Bungie constantly make quality IPs? Nope. Is one Bungies games considered to be the greatest game ever made? Nope.

All of the devs above have done 1 or more of what I said Bungie has not done.

Did Bungie ever get a mass GOTY winning title? Yep, Halo:CE and the rest have won quite a few, look it up.
Does Bungie have a strong modding community? Technically yes, there's hundreds of thousands of people creating machinima and maps on Halo 3.
Did Bungie revolutionize gaming? Again Halo:CE did that quite well. It also had some of the best graphics when it came out.
Did Bungie created a new genre? No :? But neither did any of the others you mentioned.
Does Bungie constantly make quality IPs? Halo's quality. Marathon was quality.
Is one Bungies games considered to be the greatest game ever made? Again look up Halo: CE

All of the devs above have done 1 or more of what I said Bungie has not done.

hd5870corei7

Not trying to slug off Bungie as a great dev, since every Halo game they made were AAA. But honestly, putting them next to developers like the ones I will mention in post below just isn't right.

Valvemade countless mods for their engines, which are easily the best multiplayer FPS experiences around and Half life and Half Life 2 being known being the best FPS games ever made and scoring AAA while winning around 50 goty's each (+ Portal won loads in '07) And Half Life was the big GOTY winner of '98 and Half Life 2 the big GOTY winner of 2004.

Blizzard the dev that makes the most addictive games out there (reviews for games like Diablo 2, don't do justice, because it takes 3 years until you get good, and once your good, the 4th,5th,6th,7th + year you play will be much more enjoyable) and warcraft series, and starcraft being known as the best RTS of all time. And then there's WoW...

Rockstar North - Grand Theft Auto III changed the way we played games, and Vice City, San Andreas were AAA games with it, not only did R*N give us quality games but they were also revolutionary. GTAIV being AAAA on GS (Ugh I still hate it though) And then they made RDR which has a chance of being the GOTY of this year. *Grand Theft Auto III was the big goty winner of 2001*

Kojima Productions - Back in 1987 Hideo Kojima and his team made a revolutionary game; Metal Gear, that created (if not, it atleast launched) the stealth genre. It got a sequel; Metal Gear 2 , and he made other games that sadly did not have any reviews but they did get high praise back in their days like The Snatcher and Policenauts. Then in '98, Metal Gear Solid (IGN's #1 PS1 game, which says A LOT) pushed the industry into making cut-scenes and actually investing in voice actors so that they can deliever great voice acting in games. (Imagine playing games where devs did not care for voice acting? :( ) The GBC version of this game being AAAA on IGN, AAA here. MGS2 scoring like 9.6 or 9.7, along side Metal Gear Solid 3 being two of the top10 best games on the PS2. Portable Ops and Peace Walker (AAA handheld games) the Acid games weren't that special, but they were more than decent.

Of course we have their best game which is Metal Gear Solid 4. To Quote from the review giving it AAAA on this site:

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other."

Also MGS4 has been hailed by major reviewers as the best game game of all time.

Bioware Star Wars KOTOR (big goty winner of 2003) Never Winter Nights, Jade Empire (which scored a 9.9 on IGN!) Mass Effect being AAA every where except GS (well 9.0 on PC! :P) and Mass Effect 2 is AAA with an average as high as UC2's. Dragon Age Origins was one of the best games of 2009.

Did Bungie ever get a mass GOTY winning title? Nope. Does Bungie have a strong modding community? Nope. Did Bungie revolutionize gaming? Nope. Did Bungie created a new genre? Nope. Does Bungie constantly make quality IPs? Nope. Is one Bungies games considered to be the greatest game ever made? Nope.

All of the devs above have done 1 or more of what I said Bungie has not done.

hd5870corei7

you put bioware and rockstar north but not nintendo:|

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Guerrilla.....Guerilla.....:lol::lol:x10

maybe Naughty Dog, but Guerilla's 'talent' is nothing to Bungie and Valve.

they're probably as talented as Epic...but not Bungie or Valve. just not even close.....

thanks for the laugh though.;)

hd5870corei7

because Bungie is one of the top developers in the industry at the moment.

and far better? definitely not. but both ND and Bungie would put Guerilla to shame. they already do.

Not trying to slug off Bungie as a great dev, since every Halo game they made were AAA. But honestly, putting them next to developers like the ones I will mention in post below just isn't right.

Valvemade countless mods for their engines, which are easily the best multiplayer FPS experiences around and Half life and Half Life 2 being known being the best FPS games ever made and scoring AAA while winning around 50 goty's each (+ Portal won loads in '07) And Half Life was the big GOTY winner of '98 and Half Life 2 the big GOTY winner of 2004.

Blizzard the dev that makes the most addictive games out there (reviews for games like Diablo 2, don't do justice, because it takes 3 years until you get good, and once your good, the 4th,5th,6th,7th + year you play will be much more enjoyable) and warcraft series, and starcraft being known as the best RTS of all time. And then there's WoW...

Rockstar North - Grand Theft Auto III changed the way we played games, and Vice City, San Andreas were AAA games with it, not only did R*N give us quality games but they were also revolutionary. GTAIV being AAAA on GS (Ugh I still hate it though) And then they made RDR which has a chance of being the GOTY of this year. *Grand Theft Auto III was the big goty winner of 2001*

Kojima Productions - Back in 1987 Hideo Kojima and his team made a revolutionary game; Metal Gear, that created (if not, it atleast launched) the stealth genre. It got a sequel; Metal Gear 2 , and he made other games that sadly did not have any reviews but they did get high praise back in their days like The Snatcher and Policenauts. Then in '98, Metal Gear Solid (IGN's #1 PS1 game, which says A LOT) pushed the industry into making cut-scenes and actually investing in voice actors so that they can deliever great voice acting in games. (Imagine playing games where devs did not care for voice acting? :( ) The GBC version of this game being AAAA on IGN, AAA here. MGS2 scoring like 9.6 or 9.7, along side Metal Gear Solid 3 being two of the top10 best games on the PS2. Portable Ops and Peace Walker (AAA handheld games) the Acid games weren't that special, but they were more than decent.

Of course we have their best game which is Metal Gear Solid 4. To Quote from the review giving it AAAA on this site:

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other."

Also MGS4 has been hailed by major reviewers as the best game game of all time.

Bioware Star Wars KOTOR (big goty winner of 2003) Never Winter Nights, Jade Empire (which scored a 9.9 on IGN!) Mass Effect being AAA every where except GS (well 9.0 on PC! :P) and Mass Effect 2 is AAA with an average as high as UC2's. Dragon Age Origins was one of the best games of 2009.

Did Bungie ever get a mass GOTY winning title? Nope. Does Bungie have a strong modding community? Nope. Did Bungie revolutionize gaming? Nope. Did Bungie created a new genre? Nope. Does Bungie constantly make quality IPs? Nope. Is one Bungies games considered to be the greatest game ever made? Nope.

All of the devs above have done 1 or more of what I said Bungie has not done.

hd5870corei7

I lol'd. Valve and Bioware are the two best devs in the industry.

The best in the industry current are the 3 bs

Blizzard, Bioware, Bungie, Valve, Nintendo, Capcom and Rockstar.

These are the only people who have influenced their respective genres noticeably and still do today. Sorry for leaving out JRPG devs, I don't know them nor will I pretend to.

Guerilla Games is pushing games forward technically only. Gameplay wise, theyre just like any other FPS developer. They just have the budget. Killzone 2 without the graphics would be an embarrassment.

Naughty Dog is A+.

GG a top two dev?

Oh no sir. One AAAE game does not make you a top dev.

Man where do these guys come from? Everyday theres a new guy to system wars that has a a decent level and post count but you have never seen on the forums before with a fanboy avatar preaching there system/games/developers are the best. :/

Go back to the ps3 board mayn.

:lol: At Guerilla Games being top in the industry, good devs, hell they even made one of my favorite games this gen but no, ND I can agree with, not one of the top two but eh in the top 5 definitely.