Sony really dropped the ball with the Pro

Exactly.

But we cant bypass the fact that what SONY was hyping the system for was a big marketing bs.

Same BS marketing crap Nintendo doing for calling a portable Wii U cheap let alone calling it a console = Switch. But people falling for it big time.

And many other marketing BS for so many other products other than consoles ...

And since people falling for everything companies saying without think beyond simple logic... whos to blame here really ? People that out of fanboyism or "dumbness" let every BS pass like that or companies that because they know such people exist they keep BS up big time ?

Nice........I live in an apartment so I can' go that fabulous, although I wish I could LOL. When I game on TV's that's too big now though my eyes start to hurt so that's why I went with the smaller 4k TV.

It's not just the lack of UHD player it's the CPU as well which is just an overclocked version of the one in the PS4. I still can't understand their logic here outside of trying to hit that magic number the marketing types told them to sell it for. Like I said no doubt they'll look back on it as a mistake. Another 50 on that RRP people would still have bought it and it would have been hitting 60fps on everything with a UHD player to boot.

I don't regret the purchase, it's a better PS4 than the one I had lol. Still see no reason at all to buy a Scorpio and Phil is determined not to give anyone a reason to buy one outside of 'hey guys look at those multiplats go'. PC gamers will laugh, PS4 gamers won't care. Nintendo gamers will be uh what?

@FLOPPAGE_50: How does it feel to be the easiest person to bait on this forum? I post anything anti-Xbox and you immediately hop on my dick every time lmao. I'm sorry that you are so attached to a piece of plastic.

Look at this for Scorpio though, let's just say it's $500, even in November of this year 4K BD players are still going to be around the $300-$250 mark... With a PlayStation 4 Pro you have to spend $350-$400 and then an additional $250-$300 on top of that to even watch 4K Blu-Rays.. If you want a competent 4K package for a TV you just shelled out high hundreds to thousands of dollars on, you're going to be in another $600-$700 just to get what Scorpio provides in a single $500 box, not to mention the PlayStation route is going to be giving you an inferior hardware package with much less system capability which devalues the Pro even further, you're spending more for MUCH LESS.

No PC gamer is going to laugh, that's stupid to even assert, you can't even get a 4K UHD BD player on a PC yet, they don't exist...PC's which would exceed the specifications of this system still fall into a gross minority and are still going to be more expensive even without a UHD BD player that they have no access to yet, and god only knows what that is going to cost.... The whole point of Scorpio is to give a PC level 4K experience at a cheaper cost for people who either have no interest in PC, can't afford it or simply want a great console for their TV, and they get even more out of it. A lot of PS4 gamers will absolutely care, considering a no doubt large share of them are Xbox 360 gamers who jumped ship for the PlayStation 4 due to the Xbox One debacle, for once the Xbox One platform has incentive for them to return. The Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 by 75% in the United States okay, don't conveniently forget that.

You really devalue this system at every turn you can, and it's plain idiotic and I find no respect in most of what you say, it's stupidity and it's completely out of touch with functioning reality. Multi-platform games make up well over 95% of the game releases these days, exclusive games do not hold the weight they once did not to mention more and more, and more of them are being abandoned by developers and publishers as time goes on in terms of favoring multiple systems. It's a near inevitability that one day relatively soon exclusives will simply cease to exist, and it will be more about what the system itself offers to differentiate itself from competing hardware less than the games, that's what we're already beginning to see.

Go look at all the top games sold for 2016, all multi-platform games, every last fucking one of them... They are the most sold on every platform, they outsell exclusives on every platform, they are the most played games on every platform, they are the most relevant thing on every platform, exclusives are a nuanced irregularity that barely matter anymore, they're just a fun little side step every once and a while and used as nothing more than stupid bragging rights rather than anything that really has weight or matters in the end.

So whatever system is delivering the best multi-platform experiences is going to be the one which delivers the best overall gaming experience, i.e. the Xbox 360, the go to system for generation 7 because it did multi-platforms better, and this will deliver them far better than even that did relevant to its competition at the time not to mention multi-platform games are far more relevant now than ever before.

The moment Scorpio releases, it will be the generation 8 go to console, it will take that away from Sony. Sony might end up releasing some more impressive 'exclusive' games, but they're few and far between and their impact is just not as it used to be.

Well, like a few games already proved (Battlefield 1, Infamoust SS, Tomb Raider, etc), Pro is powerful enough to guarantee 1080p60, or close, in most games. The problem here are the priorities. Sony is forcing a resolution that the system can not handle, downgrading everything else for the matter.

OMG let me put it to you as if I were explaining this to a 4 year old.

You have two situations where you have to create two APIs:

Situation 1: you have two machines, one machine has 4 spaces for storing data and the other only two spaces. You want to describe a protocol (API) that, no matters on which machine it runs, stores 3 units of data on both machines and uses that data to make a sequential task. What do needs to know and how will it function?

Situation 2: you only have one machine with only 2 spaces of data and you need a protocol for this machine that does the the same (store and use 3 units of data) as the one above. What does needs to know and how will it function?

Situation 1: you first need to figure out how much space the machine you're in has (step 1). Once you know that, if you're on the one with 4 spaces you store all 3 units (step 2.1). And then use them (step 3.1). If you're on the one with 2 spaces you need to store only 2 units (step 2.2) use one or two units (step 3.2), delete one or both (step 4.2), copy the missing unit (step 5.2), use it (step 6.2).

So in situation 1 we need a protocol that needs to handle the problem with 8 different steps.

Situation 2: You don't need to figure out how much space the machine you're on has, you already know so you skip this step and go directly to the second branch of the above process. You need to store only 2 units (step 1.2) use one or two units (step 2.2), delete one or both (step 3.2), copy the missing unit (step 4.2), use it (step 5.2).

In situation 2 the protocol described has to handle only 5 steps since it doesn't need additional overhead from deciding on which machine it is and how to best fit resources on it.

This is the difference, in the end the second situation is saving in time resources since it needs an API with less steps (less abstraction). On software any additional steps are important for optimization. Hell even how you arrange a sequence of numbers can make huge differences in time and efficiency for some compilers so everything counts.

And even if I don't consider myself a full fledged software developer I have developed enough to understand this. I have developed applications on C that require you to be very specific and optimize processes as much as possible. In fact when you're dealing with data processing applications like I do cutting corners and doing things faster and more efficiently is important so programming for a specific hardware is normally more efficient than doing a program that works wherever.

What kind of expertise do you even have? because it seems you know nothing about how computers work.

Yeah it's just a slightly upgraded PS4.

That's probably why we're already hearing rumors of the PS5.

I don't think Sony wants to be outclassed in every way by Microsofts Scorpio.

So they better get their shit together with PS5.

There are 0 rumors about the PS5. One dev that has nothing to do with Sony did a prediction about the PS5, that's it. Scorpio won't be much different than the Pro. Side by side games won't show any significant difference for the bulk of gamers.

It will be slightly better, that's all that matters to an insignificant amount of people.

Fixed.

Look at this for Scorpio though, let's just say it's $500, even in November of this year 4K BD players are still going to be around the $300-$250 mark... With a PlayStation 4 Pro you have to spend $350-$400 and then an additional $250-$300 on top of that to even watch 4K Blu-Rays.. If you want a competent 4K package for a TV you just shelled out high hundreds to thousands of dollars on, you're going to be in another $600-$700 just to get what Scorpio provides in a single $500 box, not to mention the PlayStation route is going to be giving you an inferior hardware package with much less system capability which devalues the Pro even further, you're spending more for MUCH LESS.

No PC gamer is going to laugh, that's stupid to even assert, you can't even get a 4K UHD BD player on a PC yet, they don't exist...PC's which would exceed the specifications of this system still fall into a gross minority and are still going to be more expensive even without a UHD BD player that they have no access to yet, and god only knows what that is going to cost.... The whole point of Scorpio is to give a PC level 4K experience at a cheaper cost for people who either have no interest in PC, can't afford it or simply want a great console for their TV, and they get even more out of it. A lot of PS4 gamers will absolutely care, considering a no doubt large share of them are Xbox 360 gamers who jumped ship for the PlayStation 4 due to the Xbox One debacle, for once the Xbox One platform has incentive for them to return. The Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 by 75% in the United States okay, don't conveniently forget that.

You really devalue this system at every turn you can, and it's plain idiotic and I find no respect in most of what you say, it's stupidity and it's completely out of touch with functioning reality. Multi-platform games make up well over 95% of the game releases these days, exclusive games do not hold the weight they once did not to mention more and more, and more of them are being abandoned by developers and publishers as time goes on in terms of favoring multiple systems. It's a near inevitability that one day relatively soon exclusives will simply cease to exist, and it will be more about what the system itself offers to differentiate itself from competing hardware less than the games, that's what we're already beginning to see.

Go look at all the top games sold for 2016, all multi-platform games, every last fucking one of them... They are the most sold on every platform, they outsell exclusives on every platform, they are the most played games on every platform, they are the most relevant thing on every platform, exclusives are a nuanced irregularity that barely matter anymore, they're just a fun little side step every once and a while and used as nothing more than stupid bragging rights rather than anything that really has weight or matters in the end.

So whatever system is delivering the best multi-platform experiences is going to be the one which delivers the best overall gaming experience, i.e. the Xbox 360, the go to system for generation 7 because it did multi-platforms better, and this will deliver them far better than even that did relevant to its competition at the time not to mention multi-platform games are far more relevant now than ever before.

The moment Scorpio releases, it will be the generation 8 go to console, it will take that away from Sony. Sony might end up releasing some more impressive 'exclusive' games, but they're few and far between and their impact is just not as it used to be.

You're the one who's out of touch with reality if you honestly think PC gamers are going to buy a Scorpio just for a UHD bluray player. You're so quick to claim anything you disagree with is down to stupidity then you come out with the most braindead plain stupid notions to promote your beloved Microsoft machines. It's cringeworthy man.

I don't actively devalue Scorpio I give my impressions of what it is and where it stands in the great scheme of things but unlike you I do not have a massively biased pro-Microsoft agenda.

We've been through all this before. PC gamers don't need this thing, there is NOTHING on Scorpio you can't play on PC. PS4 gamers are not going to ditch a console full of exclusives just to play multiplats and a new Gears title every 3 years and the odd Halo game which these days is just more maps for the kids to play with in multiplayer.

You keep bleating on about exclusives being dead which is just more evidence of the fact your brain simply can not function when asked to focus on anything other than Microsoft. Yes, for Xbox exclusives ARE dead. That dullard Spencer dumped every Xbox exclusive on PC (the tiny few they had anyway) and they have next to nothing on the way. The same will be true of Scorpio but it is NOT true for PS4, the exclusives just keep coming more of them every year it is only in the land of Microsoft that exclusives are dead and buried.

Again here you are with Scorpio as the 'go to' console lol who the **** is going to 'go' anywhere near this thing outside of hardcore Xbox fans? Face it mate, their Microsoft Value PC desperately needs something, anything that makes it stand out from the crowd just a few great games that shout 'only on Scorpio' and there is your reason to buy one, not the same multiplats that people are already playing on consoles and PC right now. Without exclusives this thing is DOA and nothing will change as long as that dickhead Spencer has any input on anything at all to do with Scorpio.

here are a few points that you keep overlooking:

1) If a PC gamer wants to watch UHD Bluray movies on their 4K HDTV, Project Scorpio and the Xbox One S are both viable options.. especially considering the price of standalone players.. beyond that, Xbox Play Anywhere means that they'll not only be able to have an UHD 4K player for movies but they'll also get additional access to the games they've bought from the Windows Store as well (complete with cloud based cross-saves).. that's two huge reasons to buy an Xbox console over a standalone UHD 4K Bluray player for both general consumers and PC gamers alike if you're interested in movie content for your 4K HDTV..

2) Console gamers don't care what's on PC.. Please let that sink in for a minute because you seemingly can't grasp this concept.. .. If a console gamer is interested in Xbox exclusives, they'll likely spend $250~ on an Xbox One S to play them rather than buy/build/maintain a gaming PC.. The same goes for a console gamer who happens to own a 4K HDTV.. they'll again likely opt for a plug-and-play $499~ console rather than buy/build/maintain a 4K gaming rig.. it's just that simple.. Project Scorpio is aimed at console gamers.. and as such, it will have plenty of games that aren't available on competing consoles like the PS4 or the Switch and are, therefore, exclusive to Xbox consoles..

3) Phil Spencer has ensured that even PC-only gamers are able to support Xbox gaming from the device they already own and prefer.. That means more software sales for Xbox-brand content and more active monthly users for Xbox Live.. On what planet is that a bad thing for Microsoft, the Xbox division, or gamers in general?.. PC gamers who buy Xbox content are supporting Xbox related software and are now engaged in the Xbox Live community, no different than if that software was purchased on a console.. Microsoft doesn't care if you buy Gears of War 4 for your gaming PC or if you buy Gears of War 4 for your Xbox console.. Microsoft just wants you to buy Gears of War 4 and play it via Xbox Live.. Again, it's just that simple.. Project Scorpio isn't meant to be a competitor for gaming PCs.. As far as Microsoft is concerned, a Windows 10 gaming PC and Project Scorpio are both simply "Windows 10 devices" and it doesn't matter which you prefer, as long as you're buying Xbox games from either, that's a benefit for Microsoft, Windows 10, Xbox Live, UWP, and the Windows Store.. it's a win/win no matter how you slice it.. "b bu but, if I already have teh gaming PC, I would just buy a PS4 or a Switch instead of teh redundant Project Failio!!1!.. My response to that is "who cares?".. clearly, if you own a 4K gaming PC, that's going to be your primary gaming device for all multiplatform games.. And that means you'll be playing your Xbox games on your primary gaming device as well.. Who cares if you decide to buy a PS4 or a Switch as a secondary device that will collect duct until an exclusive roll around a couple times a year?.. the vast majority of your game time will obviously be spent on your 4K gaming rig and that's also where your Xbox gaming will be as well.. again, even in that specific case, that's still a win for Microsoft and the Xbox brand as a whole..

if you disagree with point #3, please explain to the SW audience how having a PC gamer primarily playing games on their 4K Windows 10 gaming PC and buying UWP Xbox Live enabled games from Microsoft's Windows Store is a negative for Microsoft and a positive for Sony and/or Nintendo.. We'll wait..

here are a few points that you keep overlooking:

1) If a PC gamer wants to watch UHD Bluray movies on their 4K HDTV, Project Scorpio and the Xbox One S are both viable options.. especially considering the price of standalone players.. beyond that, Xbox Play Anywhere means that they'll not only be able to have an UHD 4K player for movies but they'll also get additional access to the games they've bought from the Windows Store as well (complete with cloud based cross-saves).. that's two huge reasons to buy an Xbox console over a standalone UHD 4K Bluray player for both general consumers and PC gamers alike if you're interested in movie content for your 4K HDTV..

2) Console gamers don't care what's on PC.. Please let that sink in for a minute because you seemingly can't grasp this concept.. .. If a console gamer is interested in Xbox exclusives, they'll likely spend $250~ on an Xbox One S to play them rather than buy/build/maintain a gaming PC.. The same goes for a console gamer who happens to own a 4K HDTV.. they'll again likely opt for a plug-and-play $499~ console rather than buy/build/maintain a 4K gaming rig.. it's just that simple.. Project Scorpio is aimed at console gamers.. and as such, it will have plenty of games that aren't available on competing consoles like the PS4 or the Switch and are, therefore, exclusive to Xbox consoles..

3) Phil Spencer has ensured that even PC-only gamers are able to support Xbox gaming from the device they already own and prefer.. That means more software sales for Xbox-brand content and more active monthly users for Xbox Live.. On what planet is that a bad thing for Microsoft, the Xbox division, or gamers in general?.. PC gamers who buy Xbox content are supporting Xbox related software and are now engaged in the Xbox Live community, no different than if that software was purchased on a console.. Microsoft doesn't care if you buy Gears of War 4 for your gaming PC or if you buy Gears of War 4 for your Xbox console.. Microsoft just wants you to buy Gears of War 4 and play it via Xbox Live.. Again, it's just that simple.. Project Scorpio isn't meant to be a competitor for gaming PCs.. As far as Microsoft is concerned, a Windows 10 gaming PC and Project Scorpio are both simply "Windows 10 devices" and it doesn't matter which you prefer, as long as you're buying Xbox games from either, that's a benefit for Microsoft, Windows 10, Xbox Live, UWP, and the Windows Store.. it's a win/win no matter how you slice it.. "b bu but, if I already have teh gaming PC, I would just buy a PS4 or a Switch instead of teh redundant Project Failio!!1!.. My response to that is "who cares?".. clearly, if you own a 4K gaming PC, that's going to be your primary gaming device for all multiplatform games.. And that means you'll be playing your Xbox games on your primary gaming device as well.. Who cares if you decide to buy a PS4 or a Switch as a secondary device that will collect duct until an exclusive roll around a couple times a year?.. the vast majority of your game time will obviously be spent on your 4K gaming rig and that's also where your Xbox gaming will be as well.. again, even in that specific case, that's still a win for Microsoft and the Xbox brand as a whole..

if you disagree with point #3, please explain to the SW audience how having a PC gamer primarily playing games on their 4K Windows 10 gaming PC and buying UWP Xbox Live enabled games from Microsoft's Windows Store is a negative for Microsoft and a positive for Sony and/or Nintendo.. We'll wait..

I haven't overlooked anything you just aren't reading my posts.

1. The discussion is about Scorpio which will be a lot more expensive than the Xbox One S so if a PC gamer wants to buy an Xbox just for UHD that's what they'll buy I'm glad you and others are admitting the main appeal to these 'gaming consoles' is they can play UHD blurays.

2. I have said repeatedly ONLY hardcore Xbox gamers will be interested in Scorpio. Please read my posts before replying to them. I know there is a hardcore fan base for the tiny (and ever decreasing) amount of Xbox exclusives and that is who the console is aimed at, I never argued that point. PC gamers don't need it and PS4 gamers don't want it, people don't ditch a system with a lot of exclusives for a system that has next to none even if it does run multiplats much better in 4K than the Pro. Most people not only don't have a 4K TV they're not even thinking about buying one. You're bragging about features most people don't give a shit about.

3. I'm a PC gamer and don't give a flying **** about supporting Xbox gaming. Why would I? I don't even know what point you're trying to make, totally bizarre. Other PC gamers can buy games from Windows Store all day every day I couldn't give a shit, lol. I don't care a toss about the Xbox 'brand' either. I'm a gamer not a sales executive. Speaking of sales I don't get this massive 'win' for Microsoft selling Xbox games to PC gamers what have they got left to sell lol. You might get lucky and someone might release something exclusively for Xbox and PC before MS gets a chance to shut them down.

here are a few points that you keep overlooking:

1) If a PC gamer wants to watch UHD Bluray movies on their 4K HDTV, Project Scorpio and the Xbox One S are both viable options.. especially considering the price of standalone players.. beyond that, Xbox Play Anywhere means that they'll not only be able to have an UHD 4K player for movies but they'll also get additional access to the games they've bought from the Windows Store as well (complete with cloud based cross-saves).. that's two huge reasons to buy an Xbox console over a standalone UHD 4K Bluray player for both general consumers and PC gamers alike if you're interested in movie content for your 4K HDTV..

2) Console gamers don't care what's on PC.. Please let that sink in for a minute because you seemingly can't grasp this concept.. .. If a console gamer is interested in Xbox exclusives, they'll likely spend $250~ on an Xbox One S to play them rather than buy/build/maintain a gaming PC.. The same goes for a console gamer who happens to own a 4K HDTV.. they'll again likely opt for a plug-and-play $499~ console rather than buy/build/maintain a 4K gaming rig.. it's just that simple.. Project Scorpio is aimed at console gamers.. and as such, it will have plenty of games that aren't available on competing consoles like the PS4 or the Switch and are, therefore, exclusive to Xbox consoles..

3) Phil Spencer has ensured that even PC-only gamers are able to support Xbox gaming from the device they already own and prefer.. That means more software sales for Xbox-brand content and more active monthly users for Xbox Live.. On what planet is that a bad thing for Microsoft, the Xbox division, or gamers in general?.. PC gamers who buy Xbox content are supporting Xbox related software and are now engaged in the Xbox Live community, no different than if that software was purchased on a console.. Microsoft doesn't care if you buy Gears of War 4 for your gaming PC or if you buy Gears of War 4 for your Xbox console.. Microsoft just wants you to buy Gears of War 4 and play it via Xbox Live.. Again, it's just that simple.. Project Scorpio isn't meant to be a competitor for gaming PCs.. As far as Microsoft is concerned, a Windows 10 gaming PC and Project Scorpio are both simply "Windows 10 devices" and it doesn't matter which you prefer, as long as you're buying Xbox games from either, that's a benefit for Microsoft, Windows 10, Xbox Live, UWP, and the Windows Store.. it's a win/win no matter how you slice it.. "b bu but, if I already have teh gaming PC, I would just buy a PS4 or a Switch instead of teh redundant Project Failio!!1!.. My response to that is "who cares?".. clearly, if you own a 4K gaming PC, that's going to be your primary gaming device for all multiplatform games.. And that means you'll be playing your Xbox games on your primary gaming device as well.. Who cares if you decide to buy a PS4 or a Switch as a secondary device that will collect duct until an exclusive roll around a couple times a year?.. the vast majority of your game time will obviously be spent on your 4K gaming rig and that's also where your Xbox gaming will be as well.. again, even in that specific case, that's still a win for Microsoft and the Xbox brand as a whole..

if you disagree with point #3, please explain to the SW audience how having a PC gamer primarily playing games on their 4K Windows 10 gaming PC and buying UWP Xbox Live enabled games from Microsoft's Windows Store is a negative for Microsoft and a positive for Sony and/or Nintendo.. We'll wait..

I haven't overlooked anything you just aren't reading my posts.

1. The discussion is about Scorpio which will be a lot more expensive than the Xbox One S so if a PC gamer wants to buy an Xbox just for UHD that's what they'll buy I'm glad you and others are admitting the main appeal to these 'gaming consoles' is they can play UHD blurays.

2. I have said repeatedly ONLY hardcore Xbox gamers will be interested in Scorpio. Please read my posts before replying to them. I know there is a hardcore fan base for the tiny (and ever decreasing) amount of Xbox exclusives and that is who the console is aimed at, I never argued that point. PC gamers don't need it and PS4 gamers don't want it, people don't ditch a system with a lot of exclusives for a system that has next to none even if it does run multiplats much better in 4K than the Pro. Most people not only don't have a 4K TV they're not even thinking about buying one. You're bragging about features most people don't give a shit about.

3. I'm a PC gamer and don't give a flying **** about supporting Xbox gaming. Why would I? I don't even know what point you're trying to make, totally bizarre. Other PC gamers can buy games from Windows Store all day every day I couldn't give a shit, lol. I don't care a toss about the Xbox 'brand' either. I'm a gamer not a sales executive. Speaking of sales I don't get this massive 'win' for Microsoft selling Xbox games to PC gamers what have they got left to sell lol. You might get lucky and someone might release something exclusively for Xbox and PC before MS gets a chance to shut them down.

1. The PS4 Pro is more expensive than the PS4. One can argue A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. The idea that the Scorpio would be outside of the range of expected prices while being less than double the speed of the Pro and being released a year later is not sensible. This argument is painfully weak and stupidly speculative. Its just as reasonable as Ryzen being the CPU of choice for the Scorpio.

2. Anyone can make up nonsensical claims. I can argue that ONLY hardcore Sony loyalist care about exclusives. Which is closer to a fact since the VAST majority of games and the HIGHEST selling games on both systems are multiplats. That negates the argument that most gamers care about exclusives. I remember an argument in the past that "most people don't have broadband" as a reason why an ethernet on the Xbox Orig was "stupid" now that shit is standard. 4K TVs are cheap. The number will grow like HD. People argued that HD was rare now its significantly more common. Its also funny because PC gamers brag about 4k all the time even though the VAST majority of PC gamers don't game at 4k and because most of their system suck.

3. Xbox Anywhere. Rather simple concept. It allows PC gamers to play Xbox games. So, you may not care but gamers that game on the PC do care. The more games available to PC gamers the better.

Just look at the top 10 video game sales last year. Most common folk could give a shit less about exclusives and they just care about games. They don't go to the stores and say oh that is a multiplat I can't buy that, I only buy exclusives. They just see a game they want and then they buy it. Technically some exclusives sale well, but most game companies are going multiplat more and more because that is where the money is at. Just look at all the games that where 3rd party exclusive and now have broken out to be multiplat. It just makes sense to be agnostic in this market.

PS4 has over 50+ million consoles sold and still can't create an exclusive that can touch the top 10 games sold. Just like me... I go to the store and buy games I want to play. I could give a shit less if it is a multiplat or exclusive. If it is an exclusive that I want to play, then I just buy the system to play that game. I have owned all the systems this gen, last gen, the gen before that, blah blah blah. If I play the game and find nothing more of interest to play on that system then I just sale it.

1. The PS4 Pro is more expensive than the PS4. One can argue A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. The idea that the Scorpio would be outside of the range of expected prices while being less than double the speed of the Pro and being released a year later is not sensible. This argument is painfully weak and stupidly speculative. Its just as reasonable as Ryzen being the CPU of choice for the Scorpio.

2. Anyone can make up nonsensical claims. I can argue that ONLY hardcore Sony loyalist care about exclusives. Which is closer to a fact since the VAST majority of games and the HIGHEST selling games on both systems are multiplats. That negates the argument that most gamers care about exclusives. I remember an argument in the past that "most people don't have broadband" as a reason why an ethernet on the Xbox Orig was "stupid" now that shit is standard. 4K TVs are cheap. The number will grow like HD. People argued that HD was rare now its significantly more common. Its also funny because PC gamers brag about 4k all the time even though the VAST majority of PC gamers don't game at 4k and because most of their system suck.

3. Xbox Anywhere. Rather simple concept. It allows PC gamers to play Xbox games. So, you may not care but gamers that game on the PC do care. The more games available to PC gamers the better.

Just look at the top 10 video game sales last year. Most common folk could give a shit less about exclusives and they just care about games. They don't go to the stores and say oh that is a multiplat I can't buy that, I only buy exclusives. They just see a game they want and then they buy it. Technically some exclusives sale well, but most game companies are going multiplat more and more because that is where the money is at. Just look at all the games that where 3rd party exclusive and now have broken out to be multiplat. It just makes sense to be agnostic in this market.

PS4 has over 50+ million consoles sold and still can't create an exclusive that can touch the top 10 games sold. Just like me... I go to the store and buy games I want to play. I could give a shit less if it is a multiplat or exclusive. If it is an exclusive that I want to play, then I just buy the system to play that game. I have owned all the systems this gen, last gen, the gen before that, blah blah blah. If I play the game and find nothing more of interest to play on that system then I just sale it.

1. The PS4 Pro is more expensive than the PS4. One can argue A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. The idea that the Scorpio would be outside of the range of expected prices while being less than double the speed of the Pro and being released a year later is not sensible. This argument is painfully weak and stupidly speculative. Its just as reasonable as Ryzen being the CPU of choice for the Scorpio.

2. Anyone can make up nonsensical claims. I can argue that ONLY hardcore Sony loyalist care about exclusives. Which is closer to a fact since the VAST majority of games and the HIGHEST selling games on both systems are multiplats. That negates the argument that most gamers care about exclusives. I remember an argument in the past that "most people don't have broadband" as a reason why an ethernet on the Xbox Orig was "stupid" now that shit is standard. 4K TVs are cheap. The number will grow like HD. People argued that HD was rare now its significantly more common. Its also funny because PC gamers brag about 4k all the time even though the VAST majority of PC gamers don't game at 4k and because most of their system suck.

3. Xbox Anywhere. Rather simple concept. It allows PC gamers to play Xbox games. So, you may not care but gamers that game on the PC do care. The more games available to PC gamers the better.

1. Seriously what are you talking about here? We're talking about buying a console just for UHD. Xbox One S is the best choice for that and will be at the end of the year too why are you even talking about Scorpio?

2. Why do people keep pointing out the vast majority of games on Sony and MS consoles are multiplats as though that isn't fucking obvious? The point is what else do you get besides the big multiplat releases? On Xbox... not much.. on PS4... tons of stuff and the list of exclusive titles both existing and planned grows all the time. It's perceived value. Forget 4K... what are people going to play on Scorpio that they haven't played already on PS4 or Xbox One or PC? Fucking nothing. For people who only play games on one system Scorpio is a very hard sell and the fact the vast majority of games are multiplats i.e. everyone fucking has them already makes the Scorpio even less appealing. I'm not saying nobody will buy it I imagine it will sell as much as the Pro did maybe less since it will have a MUCH less convincing library of games to sell itself on.

3. Xbox anywhere as a PC gamer all that means to me is they are porting the few meagre 'exclusives' they had on Xbox over to PC which is a good thing yes. That's not supporting the Xbox 'brand' it just means game x is now on PC as well, **** all to do with brand Xbox.

Germany = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.

USA = console gaming is higher than PC gaming.

China = PC gaming is higher than console gaming. This is an artificial construct by the Chinese government to support Chinese gaming software companies such as Net Ease and Tencent. Until recently, Chinese government has restricted non-Chinese game consoles.

For western multiplatform games, XBO is doing well against PC!

The only person who's out of touch with reality is you.

1. Seriously what are you talking about here? We're talking about buying a console just for UHD. Xbox One S is the best choice for that and will be at the end of the year too why are you even talking about Scorpio?

2. Why do people keep pointing out the vast majority of games on Sony and MS consoles are multiplats as though that isn't fucking obvious? The point is what else do you get besides the big multiplat releases? On Xbox... not much.. on PS4... tons of stuff and the list of exclusive titles both existing and planned grows all the time. It's perceived value. Forget 4K... what are people going to play on Scorpio that they haven't played already on PS4 or Xbox One or PC? Fucking nothing. For people who only play games on one system Scorpio is a very hard sell and the fact the vast majority of games are multiplats i.e. everyone fucking has them already makes the Scorpio even less appealing. I'm not saying nobody will buy it I imagine it will sell as much as the Pro did maybe less since it will have a MUCH less convincing library of games to sell itself on.

3. Xbox anywhere as a PC gamer all that means to me is they are porting the few meagre 'exclusives' they had on Xbox over to PC which is a good thing yes. That's not supporting the Xbox 'brand' it just means game x is now on PC as well, **** all to do with brand Xbox.