Sony VS MS (motion control strategy). Which is closer to win ? *serious post*

Move

A Wii copycat, Sony is aiming to pick some Wii fans and introduce some new hardcore aspects in motion control, I also believe that Sony wants to encourage more PS3/Wii 3rd partygames as many 3rd party are struggling with the Wii. The problem is Move isn't cheap and it's also not a standard for the PS3 system, which could mean it's disposable and can be ignored by many users, while the Wii is all about motion control making its owner searching for any decent motion control based games to get. I honestly dun know, while it seems it's a safe gamble on Sony's side, it's also very risky, the price isn't expenisve on its own ( it's cheaper than a game) but when you add the navigator and the eye toy and other peripherals it could pass 100$ easily. The bundle ( PS3+ Move+ Eyetoy) is 400$ which is the most expensive around, they should have priced it at 350$ min. to encourage consumers to buy it as it would mean more value for them. Only time will tell coz E3 didn't actually finsih the deal.

Speaking of E3, sorcerer was very cool game, and the best thing about it is it's all about move, from A to Z. Sony needs more games from that, these are what's called killer applications. Heros on Move was also cool, alot of cool characters from great series but i dun know what the game will turn out to be. overall, i expected to see more killer applications from Sony or 3rd party utilizing the Move but i guess we will need to wait and unfortunately alot of us will wait till we see more support for Move which means the initial success could be limited in the begining but luckily Move support is included in alot of other titles as a bonus.

Kinect ( Natal)

The concept is cool, not as original as thought, it's best described as an upgraded Eyetoy. When it was first announced, people were confused but excited, the item has a great potential and also many applications. we waited after that till E3 2010 hits. and it wish it didn't :? . Ms showed us the true nature of its Natal thing. people were confused but not as excited as before, and speaking of people, i mean gamers. Natal didn't develope as far as we expected, the games were ...hmmm, i won't say poor, but they aren't for hardcore gamers wutsoever who wants to have gfx, story, intense action ...etc . the games were very underwhelming, between kinectanimals to racers to static running to avoiding obtsacles ..... C'mon , MS, What the hell are you doing ? not a single hardcore game ?? not a single killer application, and of course no backward compitability for old games.

The thing about Natal is that, it reminds me with the PS3 development, it's very different in its concept that many games can't include Natal unless they were built using Natal. But the difference is that Natal has limited use in gaming imo, while the PS3 is a console, once you get the tools, you can do anything with it. Based on what i saw, Natal won't really get so much attention in the gaming community unless it was bashed :P. causal gamers may like it or anyone who wants to feel stupid from time time :P. i really didn't like extending my arms in the air and acting like i am holding a wheel, it's my personal opinion, others may like that.

The other face of natal is the non- gaming applications where it really rocks, voice recognition added alot of value to it, Natal could be revolutionary in fitness programmes, its browing capabilities are great, live chat ...etc. I believe MS will drop the whole gaming thing very soon and put all its wieght in these kind of applications. But the x360 could also benefit from that, if Natal is only avaliable on x360, this means anyone who is intrested for broswing with their hands need to get an x360 which means bigger userbase. Also pricing is another issue MS needs to consider, 150$ is pretty damn expensive :? .

Final verdict

Move is more riskier than what Sony thought, they need more games, better pricing . But if everything went ok, that would be great for Sony, and for the record i always wanted to try the Wii but its games and its hardware were super turn offor me, so i am into Move but i will wait to see more about it.

Natal sucks as a gaming device but revolutionary in its other applications ( which may not sound new) but this is the first commerical device that make you browse with ur hands, COOLL.

Comment, thanx.

Kinect as a gaming device is far better than Move imno, far mroe next gen and can do far more

like full 3D body mapping

What you need 2 Move sticks or a Move stick and pad/Nav to do with Move, you can do just with the standard pad and full body mapping in Kinect, for multiple gamers too

There is no coparissons to be made, Kinect is the future and the most versatile and feature full gaming device on the planet by a landslide imo

After Fable 3, Milo, Star Wars, Segae new title, Edenetc, Kinect will have some stunning games too

wait a sec

so you wanted a wii but were disgusted by its lineup yet you are compelled to buy a move ?

can you explain me how the shoot, the fight and sports champions are better games then zelda TP, Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3 ?

I respect Kinect more than Move, because it has much more potential, it is also a risk which shows that Microsoft is not afraid to take a chance. Which is also good.

I am very much anticipating to see what Kinect can really do.

wait a sec

so you wanted a wii but were disgusted by its lineup yet you are compelled to buy a move ?

can you explain me how the shoot, the fight and sports champions are better games then zelda TP, Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3 ?

What's with ur obsession with 3D mappingmysterj

I respect Kinect more than Move, because it has much more potential, it is also a risk which shows that Microsoft is not afraid to take a chance. Which is also good.

I am very much anticipating to see what Kinect can really do.

[QUOTE="mysterj"]What's with ur obsession with 3D mappingomho88

Closer to winning is a poor choice of words here. Least amount of fail is probably best suited for this discussion. In that case, Move will be considerably 'better' (won't fail as badly) in my opinion.

Kinect as a gaming device is far better than Move imno, far mroe next gen and can do far more

like full 3D body mapping

What you need 2 Move sticks or a Move stick and pad/Nav to do with Move, you can do just with the standard pad and full body mapping in Kinect, for multiple gamers too

There is no coparissons to be made, Kinect is the future and the most versatile and feature full gaming device on the planet by a landslide imo

After Fable 3, Milo, Star Wars, Segae new title, Edenetc, Kinect will have some stunning games too

What's with ur obsession with 3D mappingmysterj

3D body mapping is the ultimate thing, you can map your hands and feet in full 3D space for next gen game immersion and interaction, without holding anything

Thus you can emulate holding a sword, shield and using kicks and even head buts in any 3D game

In contrast, with Move you need two sticks to emulate sword and shield in 3D, and you cant get full 3D depth for head/feet at all, only in 2D space the camera sees, limiting the usues to on rail or fixed camera games that target is on screen layer depth (zero depth)

It is a rather vast difference

And Kinect supports multiple gamers with all the above, with Move you would need two extra sticks for each gamer

It is also an all in one out of the box solution, voice recognition, hands freegaming, pad support, multiple gamers etc etc, sofar more likely developers will use all those features fully

Sony's strategy is much safer. They aren't trying to bring in a new audience but are trying to get their already exisiting userbase to buy it. That's why games like Killzone 3 and Socom 4 will have it. They are obviously trying to get some casuals to buy it though.

Microsoft is basically trying to get the Wii audience to buy into it but doesn't really realise that even Nintendo is currently struggling to keep them.


I have no idea which will be more successful but I think Microsoft have shot themselves in the foot if Kinect isn't the success it needs to be.

[QUOTE="mysterj"]What's with ur obsession with 3D mappinga_simple_gamer

3D body mapping is the ultimate thing, you can map your hands and feet in full 3D space for next gen game immersion and interaction, without holding anything

Thus you can emulate holding a sword, shield and using kicks and even head buts in any 3D game

In contrast, with Move you need two sticks to emulate sword and shield in 3D, and you cant get full 3D depth for head/feet at all, only in 2D space the camera sees, limiting the usues to on rail or fixed camera games that target is on screen layer depth (zero depth)

It is a rather vast difference

And Kinect supports multiple gamers with all the above, with Move you would need two extra sticks for each gamer

It is also an all in one out of the box solution, voice recognition, hands freegaming, pad support, multiple gamers etc etc, sofar more likely developers will use all those features fully

What about when I play... I mean my girl friends play in a dress?

Seriously though, you make it sound a lot better then it seems to be. Watching people play it looks worse than watching people play Wii sports. At least the Move seems to take less... Strange movements while playing, though to be honest, I haven't seen anyone use it that wasn't advertising Move. With that said, they all suck.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="mysterj"]What's with ur obsession with 3D mappingTwin-Blade

3D body mapping is the ultimate thing, you can map your hands and feet in full 3D space for next gen game immersion and interaction, without holding anything

Thus you can emulate holding a sword, shield and using kicks and even head buts in any 3D game

In contrast, with Move you need two sticks to emulate sword and shield in 3D, and you cant get full 3D depth for head/feet at all, only in 2D space the camera sees, limiting the usues to on rail or fixed camera games that target is on screen layer depth (zero depth)

It is a rather vast difference

And Kinect supports multiple gamers with all the above, with Move you would need two extra sticks for each gamer

It is also an all in one out of the box solution, voice recognition, hands freegaming, pad support, multiple gamers etc etc, sofar more likely developers will use all those features fully

What about when I play... I mean my girl friends play in a dress?

Seriously though, you make it sound a lot better then it seems to be. Watching people play it looks worse than watching people play Wii sports. At least the Move seems to take less... Strange movements while playing, though to be honest, I haven't seen anyone use it that wasn't advertising Move. With that said, they all suck.

I dont make it sound better than it actually is, software makes it less than it can be, since it is only launch applications and will take years to use Kinect fully and refine the experience, like with Wii

The tech to do it is 100% there though and is far more advanced than anything else

move will be better, cause it has buttons and good games that support it

move will be better, cause it has buttons and good games that support it

ultraking

Kinect is more advanced, can use a pad with it, so has buttons too and games like Fable 3, Milo, Star Wars are far more interesting than anything i have seen using MOve, for me at least

[QUOTE="ultraking"]

move will be better, cause it has buttons and good games that support it

a_simple_gamer

Kinect is more advanced, can use a pad with it, so has buttons too and games like Fable 3, Milo, Star Wars are far more interesting than anything i have seen using MOve, for me at least

Move looks better for games and could do well if it's perceived by the masses as the "better" Wii. They have a nice balance between the casual stuff and the traditional stuff. Kinect might be more advanced but it looks like crap on the software side. I don't think it'll cost $150, MS will try and "surprise" us with a lower price so it'll do fine. I'd try Move as an alternative control scheme to traditional games, the games built entirely around motion control don't interest me. I haven't touched Wii Sports in the month or so since I got a Wii so I don't care for the Sony equivalents.Floppy_Jim

laughable, i dont see how someone would want move and dislike the wii

aside from fanboyism and brand loyality of course

For gaming? Probably Move. The Wii is so successful commercially. On paper, Move is destined for more success. But that also depends on the software available and Sony's marketing strategies. Now, as a user interface, Kinect is probably more win. It seems like using an iPhone interface on your home TV. I just don't see it getting big in terms of gaming.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Move looks better for games and could do well if it's perceived by the masses as the "better" Wii. They have a nice balance between the casual stuff and the traditional stuff. Kinect might be more advanced but it looks like crap on the software side. I don't think it'll cost $150, MS will try and "surprise" us with a lower price so it'll do fine. I'd try Move as an alternative control scheme to traditional games, the games built entirely around motion control don't interest me. I haven't touched Wii Sports in the month or so since I got a Wii so I don't care for the Sony equivalents.farnham

laughable, i dont see how someone would want move and dislike the wii

aside from fanboyism and brand loyality of course

Kinect doing 3D mapping? Ha! No. It's a camera. Everything that propels it is based on VISION and nothing else. It has all the same limits of an ordinary camera. Move too fast, you get motion blurs and inevitable latency. Play it in complete darkness, you get nothing. Nada. Zero. Crickets.

Sounds you say? Well of course it will make use of sound. It's got a microphone. NEWS FLASH: Microphones can track sound. Who doesn't know this already?

You're building up a Camera/Microphone combo that tracks you VISUALLY and has a Microphone. Do you realize that with the right software, the Nintendo DSi could perform ALL the same functions that Kinect can?

[QUOTE="farnham"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Move looks better for games and could do well if it's perceived by the masses as the "better" Wii. They have a nice balance between the casual stuff and the traditional stuff. Kinect might be more advanced but it looks like crap on the software side. I don't think it'll cost $150, MS will try and "surprise" us with a lower price so it'll do fine. I'd try Move as an alternative control scheme to traditional games, the games built entirely around motion control don't interest me. I haven't touched Wii Sports in the month or so since I got a Wii so I don't care for the Sony equivalents.SilverChimera

your right

sales=/=Better

but

Opinion=/= Fact

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="farnham"] how is the ps3 the better wii? i dont see a single game that has the potential to sell 20 million unitsHalf-Way

your right

sales=/=Better

but

Opinion=/= Fact

Kinect doing 3D mapping? Ha! No. It's a camera. Everything that propels it is based on VISION and nothing else. It has all the same limits of an ordinary camera. Move too fast, you get motion blurs and inevitable latency. Play it in complete darkness, you get nothing. Nada. Zero. Crickets.

Sounds you say? Well of course it will make use of sound. It's got a microphone. NEWS FLASH: Microphones can track sound. Who doesn't know this already?

You're building up a Camera/Microphone combo that tracks you VISUALLY and has a Microphone. Do you realize that with the right software, the Nintendo DSi could perform ALL the same functions that Kinect can?

Micropixel

It is not like an ordinary camera, if its was why have two camera sensors ? And on infrared system ?

Kinect tracks sound as standard, not as per case implementation

And no, i dont see how DSi or PSEyewould do 3D mapping with a simple camera, at all

If they could, why use a MOve stick for tracking 3d motion at all ? Makes no sense

PS Move is NOT a Wii copycat. Sony designed the technology begind the Move way back in 2005. This video proves it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ

There you go. What do you have to say about that?

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="farnham"] how is the ps3 the better wii? i dont see a single game that has the potential to sell 20 million unitsHalf-Way

your right

sales=/=Better

but

Opinion=/= Fact

i think it all comes down to how well Sony or Microsoft manage their software libraries and marketing

Sony's strategy is to use core gamers as the entry way into motion controls, give them something they want to use and that'll get more permanent sales

Microsoft's strategy is to attract casual gamers, give them something completely different from the Wii so they want to buy software for it instead of for the wii

personally i think Microsoft's strategy will sell more in the short-term but Sony's strategy will sell more in the long-term

i think it all comes down to how well Sony or Microsoft manage their software libraries and marketing

Sony's strategy is to use core gamers as the entry way into motion controls, give them something they want to use and that'll get more permanent sales

Microsoft's strategy is to attract casual gamers, give them something completely different from the Wii so they want to buy software for it instead of for the wii

personally i think Microsoft's strategy will sell more in the short-term but Sony's strategy will sell more in the long-term

88mphSlayer

But in the long term, Kinect will be used in hardcore games as much as Move

Breaking News Sony did not copy the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ

Nother Breaking news have you heard of the eyetoy.

But overall i think this motion controller war is pointless.

On paper, the Move seems to be set up better to succeed. It's close enough to the Wii controllers to enable easy ports from 3rd party Wii titles and with the inclusion of the PS Eye, 3rd party Kinect games could be easily ported as well. In theory, this would give the Move a bit of a software advantage, but consumers can be fickle, and it's hard to say how things will shake out.

On paper, the Move seems to be set up better to succeed. It's close enough to the Wii controllers to enable easy ports from 3rd party Wii titles and with the inclusion of the PS Eye, 3rd party Kinect games could be easily ported as well. In theory, this would give the Move a bit of a software advantage, but consumers can be fickle, and it's hard to say how things will shake out.

asylumni

MOve is extremly complicated for the average user, Kinect is only one thing to buy, unlike Move that is a three part one or 4 part, or more if you want friends to play too

That is wh Kinect is vastly more pre-ordered than Move

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

i think it all comes down to how well Sony or Microsoft manage their software libraries and marketing

Sony's strategy is to use core gamers as the entry way into motion controls, give them something they want to use and that'll get more permanent sales

Microsoft's strategy is to attract casual gamers, give them something completely different from the Wii so they want to buy software for it instead of for the wii

personally i think Microsoft's strategy will sell more in the short-term but Sony's strategy will sell more in the long-term

a_simple_gamer

But in the long term, Kinect will be used in hardcore games as much as Move

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

On paper, the Move seems to be set up better to succeed. It's close enough to the Wii controllers to enable easy ports from 3rd party Wii titles and with the inclusion of the PS Eye, 3rd party Kinect games could be easily ported as well. In theory, this would give the Move a bit of a software advantage, but consumers can be fickle, and it's hard to say how things will shake out.

a_simple_gamer

MOve is extremly complicated for the average user, Kinect is only one thing to buy, unlike Move that is a three part one or 4 part, or more if you want friends to play too

That is wh Kinect is vastly more pre-ordered than Move

Well with Move you can have 4 playing at once, while with Kinect you have 2 players at once maximum( although i heard its compromised lag wise). You can have 4 players off one controller or two controllers just like you can have 4 players playing kinect. Personally i thinkl move is better for gaming and kinect is better for bringing people into gaming. The latter because the possibilities behind it are quite simple without a control scheme, the games are 3d versions of eye toy games.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

On paper, the Move seems to be set up better to succeed. It's close enough to the Wii controllers to enable easy ports from 3rd party Wii titles and with the inclusion of the PS Eye, 3rd party Kinect games could be easily ported as well. In theory, this would give the Move a bit of a software advantage, but consumers can be fickle, and it's hard to say how things will shake out.

a_simple_gamer

MOve is extremly complicated for the average user, Kinect is only one thing to buy, unlike Move that is a three part one or 4 part, or more if you want friends to play too

That is wh Kinect is vastly more pre-ordered than Move

Move actually has fewer parts than the Wii (Wiimote, nunchuck, motion+ and "sensor" bar), and it seems like people aren't having problems with that.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

On paper, the Move seems to be set up better to succeed. It's close enough to the Wii controllers to enable easy ports from 3rd party Wii titles and with the inclusion of the PS Eye, 3rd party Kinect games could be easily ported as well. In theory, this would give the Move a bit of a software advantage, but consumers can be fickle, and it's hard to say how things will shake out.

MOve is extremly complicated for the average user, Kinect is only one thing to buy, unlike Move that is a three part one or 4 part, or more if you want friends to play too

That is wh Kinect is vastly more pre-ordered than Move

laughable, i dont see how someone would want move and dislike the wii

aside from fanboyism and brand loyality of course

Half-Way

PS Move is NOT a Wii copycat. Sony designed the technology begind the Move way back in 2005. This video proves it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ

There you go. What do you have to say about that?

The Move will do okay. I may actually go out and buy one. They are priced a little high in entering a market that is already dominated by the wii, but the ps3 does cater to a different audience, so it is somewhat acceptable. Sonys plan has got to be 3D gaming in tandem with the Move controller, considering the controller itself is recognised in 3D space. I also don't think sony is going to alienate say, Madden type games, and make you do a throwing motion to toss the ball.

The Kinect will fail miserably. I may pick it up for kicks when it hits the bargain bin. Though the tech is cool, people are making it out to be something that it is not. Yes it does map the body, albeit in an almost archaic fashion. Not the same tech, but the same idea, here's a screenshot from Radioheads' House of Cards video.

Though this used a different method, it is still acheiving a similar effect, and it probably cost 10s, 100s of thousands of dollars, or even millions, to produce. Don't expect Kinect to even remotely come to this level of detail.

Sony's strategy is safe, as you put it, but a very expensive venture to the average consumer. If you want the full experience you'll have to spend $100 for the wii-mote, nun-chuck and eyetoy. I believe it also comes with a game but I may be mistaken. I think core gamers will adopt to the move because of the announced support ie RE5, Heavy Rain, Socom 4, Killzone 3 ect.. However I don't think the casual audience will choose this option over a wii. It's too similar in scope.

M$'s strategy is completely geared towards the casual audience and based on the video reactions of news casters and reviewers at E3, they're eating it up. I honestly don't think you'll find a lot of core games on the Kinect, but there will be a few here and there. The point of the kinect is to pull in casual players and non-gamers. M$ just might succeed but not with a $150 price tag for the add on.

Just my opinion..

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Move looks better for games and could do well if it's perceived by the masses as the "better" Wii. They have a nice balance between the casual stuff and the traditional stuff. Kinect might be more advanced but it looks like crap on the software side. I don't think it'll cost $150, MS will try and "surprise" us with a lower price so it'll do fine. I'd try Move as an alternative control scheme to traditional games, the games built entirely around motion control don't interest me. I haven't touched Wii Sports in the month or so since I got a Wii so I don't care for the Sony equivalents.farnham

lol it's hilarious to see fanboy drivel and how they become alldefensive over their own misunderstanding of the post

all he said was "if it's percieved by the masses as the 'better' Wii..."

You know, since PS3 is better hardware and all that jazz along with it's wand and analog looking like Wii-Mote & Nunchuck, might it be percieved as the better Wii.

i wonder if sometimes fanboys takes things the wrong way on purpose just to be combative

Kinect seems to be much more popular than move

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] How do sales correlate to "better" ? PandaBear86

your right

sales=/=Better

but

Opinion=/= Fact

no its not, they both do the same at the end, justwith diffrent tech, the only difference was that nintendo chose the method that consumer could afford, while sonys method needs a cam aswell, and the results arent any diffrent from motion+

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

laughable, i dont see how someone would want move and dislike the wii

aside from fanboyism and brand loyality of course

mysterj

so you would choose HD overBetterGames?

funny because sony didnt think the wiimote was poorly designed it seems, afterall Move IS a black wiimote with a ball

move will get some core gamers imo

that harry potter like game looks pretty cool