could someone explain the economics of how if MS or SONY buys TT it will HURT them? i just dont understand that. is it because the game would sell less due to it being on one console so then TT would lose money and then in turn the company who owns them will lose money?
[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]could someone explain the economics of how if MS or SONY buys TT it will HURT them? i just dont understand that. is it because the game would sell less due to it being on one console so then TT would lose money and then in turn the company who owns them will lose money? Bingo, if the developers/publishers they buy lose money....Sony/MS loses money.
[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]could someone explain the economics of how if MS or SONY buys TT it will HURT them? i just dont understand that. is it because the game would sell less due to it being on one console so then TT would lose money and then in turn the company who owns them will lose money? If you had products that were available to 100 Million + people but suddenly 2/3 of that market dies you would sell less.
Well, they've still made acquisitions in the past without a problem. Rare was a single-console company pretty much most of its lifespan (besides some arcade games, right?). They're doing fine. Bungie, Insomniac, Miyamoto... I would think that the sheer value of having that big of a studio in-house and exclusive to your console would outweigh any risk towards reduced sales figures. Especially since Nintendo is basically nil and MS owns the largest chunk of the market on its own. The only ones missing out is 3-5 million potential Sony customers (by the time the game ships). However, it will draw a large portion of the market to MS and it will round out. If your studio is failing, support it. It's a cash cow. The money flow is still there. Unless it's catastrophic to have that many failing studios, or something. Anyway, Microsoft stated their intentions and their reasons, so what's to explain or to argue? MS will not purchase Take-Two. Sony, on the other hand, while likely to have the same direction as Microsoft, could go either way. I'd hate to have any company acquire Firaxis, Rockstar, etc, though, because I trust neither EA nor Ubisoft to take care of their franchises. I HATE EA games and Ubisoft has been crapping all over the PS releases of my favorite titles, so I'd like to see a relative unknown or Sony take the purchase. If not, it would be awesome to see Take-Two stand tall and weather the storm. I think Jack Thompson will mount Take-Two's head on his wall.
Whoa, crap! Take Two owns 2k sports, meaning if EA acquires it, there is ZERO competition in the sports market, meaning hell for video gamers everywhere.
[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="MattBrian"]Sony will snag it up in no time, M$ ruined RareTamarind_Face
just like they ruined Bungie....Yes... they are forced to make sequels. Yes b/c devs hate to make sequals... especially sequels to a game that sold 5+ million copies and has gotten a 9.4 and 9.7.... If that is ruining a Dev i wish MS would buy every dev out there....
Well the thing about Bungie is they lack creative energy. Making annual sequels to key franchises is cute and an easy way to make money, but it's not always the best way to please your developer. Yes, they've got fat wallets, but we won't see any of the games they made when they were freebirds ever again.
I also think you should NEVER hope Microsoft would buy every developer out there, no matter how in love with them you may be. That spells "bad" in about a million different directions.
[QUOTE="hummer700"]Microsoft better step up if they want a big advantage in the American/ European market This could be a major selling point for them (i.e. Exclusive R* games, 2k Sports, etc would be HUGE) Microsoft will not be buying Take Two according to Shane Kim.
Sony won't buy them either because of the huge loss it would take. Look at the sell rate for the PS3 last few months. If they buy Take Two and cancel the 360 version of GTA: IV they would lose a lot of money and might as well delay the game until fall 2008 for the PS3. I doubt they could afford to buy Take Two anyway with paying that lawsuit with Imersion.
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
Sony won't buy them either because of the huge loss it would take. Look at the sell rate for the PS3 last few months. If they buy Take Two and cancel the 360 version of GTA: IV they would lose a lot of money and might as well delay the game until fall 2008 for the PS3. I doubt they could afford to buy Take Two anyway with paying that lawsuit with Imersion.
PS3_3DO
they came to an agreement, both sony and immersion will make profit from the deal. sony doesnt have to pay raw money per say, they can offer stock, bonds etc to their man many assets, blu-ray, movie business, etc. they had an all time record year in 2006 for their movies studio with profits and #1 movies, so they definately have what it takes to pick up take two no pun intended.
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
[QUOTE="HeHateMe_basic"]Take_Two would sell off it's branches. no one would be able to afford or want every branch take-two owns. MS will for Sure bid on Rockstar Games. it would cost them too much money to just drop the ps3 GTA and manhunt. honestly i would like sony to buy it and still keep the other platforms games being pumped out so they can gain profit from MS and then be able to allow more games to be pushed out for the ps3
[QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]could someone explain the economics of how if MS or SONY buys TT it will HURT them? i just dont understand that. is it because the game would sell less due to it being on one console so then TT would lose money and then in turn the company who owns them will lose money? If you had products that were available to 100 Million + people but suddenly 2/3 of that market dies you would sell less. not really .gta is a system seller.this buy with a price drop would be hudge for ms
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
fatzombiepigeon
wow lemmings am owned :lol: i guess...
SCEA isn't bidding either. :/
says who ? sony is the better fit really, they have pleny of money to spare, they dont go around buying out companies like MS does, they make deals with companies like naughty dog and level 5 and factor 5 and others. they havent really bought a company since polyphony i think and that wasnt uber money spent. they have the capital to make this happen and have their hand in so many different companies from movies to electronics. it wouldnt be just SCEA bidding it would be sony as a whole just like MS games division doesnt buy a company cus they are billions in debt, its MS corporation that bought bungie.
Sony is #65 on the list of Worlds largest companies with revenue of 66,025.6 million dollars, and a profit of 1,091.8 million dollars in 2006 while Microsoft is #140 with revenue of 39,788.0 million dollars and a profit of 12,254.0 million dollars in 2006.
[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]could someone explain the economics of how if MS or SONY buys TT it will HURT them? i just dont understand that. is it because the game would sell less due to it being on one console so then TT would lose money and then in turn the company who owns them will lose money? It's simple, T2 is valued as a 3rd party, if they were to buy them they would have to pay for a company that sells games on all 3 consoles. By making them first party they would no longer have access to the revenue coming from the other t2 consoles. In short, they would be over paying for them. They would be paying 2 or 3 times more then what the company would be worth to them and by not having access to the other 2 consoles revenue it would take them for ever for T2 to pay for itself. MS could still afford to take those kinds of losses but apparently don't feel like it's worth it. Now, if they had gone bankrupt and could be taken appart and bought piece by piece it would be a whole diffrent story.
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
Me_Ur_Daddy_
wow lemmings am owned :lol: i guess...
SCEA isn't bidding either. :/
says who ? sony is the better fit really, they have pleny of money to spare, they dont go around buying out companies like MS does, they make deals with companies like naughty dog and level 5 and factor 5 and others. they havent really bought a company since polyphony i think and that wasnt uber money spent. they have the capital to make this happen and have their hand in so many different companies from movies to electronics. it wouldnt be just SCEA bidding it would be sony as a whole just like MS games division doesnt buy a company cus they are billions in debt, its MS corporation that bought bungie.
I doubt that Sony would spend all that money for one game. It will be either EA, Ubisoft, or Activision.
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
PS3_3DO
wow lemmings am owned :lol: i guess...
SCEA isn't bidding either. :/
says who ? sony is the better fit really, they have pleny of money to spare, they dont go around buying out companies like MS does, they make deals with companies like naughty dog and level 5 and factor 5 and others. they havent really bought a company since polyphony i think and that wasnt uber money spent. they have the capital to make this happen and have their hand in so many different companies from movies to electronics. it wouldnt be just SCEA bidding it would be sony as a whole just like MS games division doesnt buy a company cus they are billions in debt, its MS corporation that bought bungie.
I doubt that Sony would spend all that money for one game. It will be either EA, Ubisoft, or Activision.
Though I wanted Ubisoft to buy Sega, if T2 was to be bought I hope it's Ubi who get's them.
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
pins_basic
wow lemmings am owned :lol: i guess...
SCEA isn't bidding either. :/
says who ? sony is the better fit really, they have pleny of money to spare, they dont go around buying out companies like MS does, they make deals with companies like naughty dog and level 5 and factor 5 and others. they havent really bought a company since polyphony i think and that wasnt uber money spent. they have the capital to make this happen and have their hand in so many different companies from movies to electronics. it wouldnt be just SCEA bidding it would be sony as a whole just like MS games division doesnt buy a company cus they are billions in debt, its MS corporation that bought bungie.
I doubt that Sony would spend all that money for one game. It will be either EA, Ubisoft, or Activision.
Though I wanted Ubisoft to buy Sega, if T2 was to be bought I hope it's Ubi who get's them.
Yeah me too but I think EA might have more money to bid.
One company that says it's not in the running is Microsoft (Charts). Because today's independent publishers are platform agnostic - that is to say, they build games for all major systems - taking over one would result in a massive revenue loss for Microsoft, as all development would be redirected toward the Xbox 360.
"We could never launch an acquisition bid at a third party publisher," said Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios.
gmastersexay
Tell them they could have exclusive rights to GTA and cripple PS3 sales and they'd bite the bullet. There are always exceptions to the rule and this will be one.
Sony is #65 on the list of Worlds largest companies with revenue of 66,025.6 million dollars, and a profit of 1,091.8 million dollars in 2006 while Microsoft is #140 with revenue of 39,788.0 million dollars and a profit of 12,254.0 million dollars in 2006.
[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]could someone explain the economics of how if MS or SONY buys TT it will HURT them? i just dont understand that. is it because the game would sell less due to it being on one console so then TT would lose money and then in turn the company who owns them will lose money? It's simple, T2 is valued as a 3rd party, if they were to buy them they would have to pay for a company that sells games on all 3 consoles. By making them first party they would no longer have access to the revenue coming from the other t2 consoles. In short, they would be over paying for them. They would be paying 2 or 3 times more then what the company would be worth to them and by not having access to the other 2 consoles revenue it would take them for ever for T2 to pay for itself. MS could still afford to take those kinds of losses but apparently don't feel like it's worth it. Now, if they had gone bankrupt and could be taken appart and bought piece by piece it would be a whole diffrent story. Yeah it would be much more interesting if they sold it piece by piece.
Sony is #65 on the list of Worlds largest companies with revenue of 66,025.6 million dollars, and a profit of 1,091.8 million dollars in 2006 while Microsoft is #140 with revenue of 39,788.0 million dollars and a profit of 12,254.0 million dollars in 2006.
So? Microsoft has more money...:| No. They had a higher profit in 2006. Sony has more money.
Sony is #65 on the list of Worlds largest companies with revenue of 66,025.6 million dollars, and a profit of 1,091.8 million dollars in 2006 while Microsoft is #140 with revenue of 39,788.0 million dollars and a profit of 12,254.0 million dollars in 2006.
So? Microsoft has more money...:| No. They had a higher profit in 2006. Sony has more money. No Microsoft has more money.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] No. They had a higher profit in 2006. Sony has more money.wmc540
No Microsoft has more money. Where do you get this "Microsoft has more money Hoopla? I provided a link to give my argument some backing from a reputable source. You should do the same.
[QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"] No. They had a higher profit in 2006. Sony has more money.BumFluff122
No Microsoft has more money. Where do you get this "Microsoft has more money Hoopla? I provided a link to give my argument some backing from a reputable source. You should do the same.
i just wiki'd it, MS has more money, but Sony makes more revenue per year (now)
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