Sony's new patent supresses used games....

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[QUOTE="rilpas"] tell me, wasn't there ever a time when you wanted to track an old PS1 or PS2 game that you didn't buy it back in the day for whatever reason? Well, good luck doing it for a console that implements this featurerilpas

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

Eh, I'm going all digital next gen anyway. Digital is the future.

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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

MrYaotubo

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

not every game gets a DD release though

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

rilpas

not every game gets a DD release though

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/384922/sony-patents-pre-owned-games-block/

Sony patents pre-owned games block

Technology 'tags' games that have been used in different consoles

Sony Computer Entertainment has filed a patent for technology designed to suppress pre-owned game sales.

Bruce_Benzing

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"] Well,that´s why the DD option is there,as long as there is the option to purchase the game digitally from their service,tracking down older games won´t be an issue,and in that case all the revenue goes to sony,while on used copies it doesn´t. That´s the way we´re headed.MrYaotubo

not every game gets a DD release though

I doubt it, there's games that are unlikely to ever get a release.

for example, Power Slave/Exhumed for the Sega Saturn, no one really knows who owns the rights to that game, the creators have even tried contacting their old publisher and in their words 'They had no idea what game we were talking about'

And this isn't some crappy unknown game, Exhumed/Power Slave is often considered as a great underrated gem for the Saturn. I'm sure there's games in this situation

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/384922/sony-patents-pre-owned-games-block/

Sony patents pre-owned games block

Technology 'tags' games that have been used in different consoles

Sony Computer Entertainment has filed a patent for technology designed to suppress pre-owned game sales.

tenaka2

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/384922/sony-patents-pre-owned-games-block/

Sony patents pre-owned games block

Technology 'tags' games that have been used in different consoles

Sony Computer Entertainment has filed a patent for technology designed to suppress pre-owned game sales.

blue_hazy_basic

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

rilpas

not every game gets a DD release though

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Prepare for a battle sony,your biggest opponent Gamestop... Alto i think that sony will also have problems on US,because you have the right to sell anything you have,this will prevent you from selling something you legally own,i have hopes sony isn't that stupid.delta3074

If a hardware manufacturer chooses to make a system that ties a game to a certain system, or blocks second hand games, its their choice to do so. It would only be an issue if they had a strangle hold on the market and used that leverage to force the consumer to use their products (as MS ran afoul of with the EU and windows and IE). So I don't think it would be an issue.

I don't Sony is that stupid to implement something like this especially after what transpired with the PS3 at launch. If they put this in their PS4, their pretty much done. I won't even buy one. That would be like tying a noose around your neck, jumping off a 200ft bridge into a 2ft creek with the noose not tied to anything. lol!! I don't think either Sony or Microsoft would put this in their systems, but stranger things have happened.

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Sony leading the way in cutting edge technology the drives sales, profits and is a standard for the industry. Thank you Sony for looking out for us. Heil68

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

not every game gets a DD release though

rilpas

I doubt it, there's games that are unlikely to ever get a release.

for example, Power Slave/Exhumed for the Sega Saturn, no one really knows who owns the rights to that game, the creators have even tried contacting their old publisher and in their words 'They had no idea what game we were talking about'

And this isn't some crappy unknown game, Exhumed/Power Slave is often considered as a great underrated gem for the Saturn. I'm sure there's games in this situation

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I actually did that last year.

Got both Persona 3 and 4 for the PS2.
New copies.

MrYaotubo

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

Bruce_Benzing

Poor used games. People didn't like them, so they're returned :( And now..*sniff*...they will..uh...become totally useless!:cry:freedomfreak

So will the PS4, because no one will buy it. Sony won't have to worry about used games sales, because their gaming sales will be in the toilet. Let's hope they are smarter then that though.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"] But they will in the future,making the search for older games completely invalid since you will be able to get them with ease digitally.MrYaotubo

I doubt it, there's games that are unlikely to ever get a release.

for example, Power Slave/Exhumed for the Sega Saturn, no one really knows who owns the rights to that game, the creators have even tried contacting their old publisher and in their words 'They had no idea what game we were talking about'

And this isn't some crappy unknown game, Exhumed/Power Slave is often considered as a great underrated gem for the Saturn. I'm sure there's games in this situation

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"] But they will in the future,making the search for older games completely invalid since you will be able to get them with ease digitally.MrYaotubo

I doubt it, there's games that are unlikely to ever get a release.

for example, Power Slave/Exhumed for the Sega Saturn, no one really knows who owns the rights to that game, the creators have even tried contacting their old publisher and in their words 'They had no idea what game we were talking about'

And this isn't some crappy unknown game, Exhumed/Power Slave is often considered as a great underrated gem for the Saturn. I'm sure there's games in this situation

actually the PC version and the console versions are two entirely different games

the PC version is a Duke Nukem style game (even uses the build engine) whereas the console versions are very similar to Metroid Prime.

And actually, the console version is pretty sought after, not the most expensive game mind you, but a CIB copy will usually cost you 20-25 bucks

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

Still, you'll have to agree that it will be harder for you to find new copie of old games if it's impossible to buy used copies

nintendoboy16

Every Exhumed/Powerslave fan I've heard prefer the SEGA Saturn/PlayStation versions though.nintendoboy16

that's because the PC version is an entirely different game

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

I doubt it, there's games that are unlikely to ever get a release.

for example, Power Slave/Exhumed for the Sega Saturn, no one really knows who owns the rights to that game, the creators have even tried contacting their old publisher and in their words 'They had no idea what game we were talking about'

And this isn't some crappy unknown game, Exhumed/Power Slave is often considered as a great underrated gem for the Saturn. I'm sure there's games in this situation

rilpas

actually the PC version and the console versions are two entirely different games

the PC version is a Duke Nukem style game (even uses the build engine) whereas the console versions are very similar to Metroid Prime.

And actually, the console version is pretty sought after, not the most expensive game mind you, but a CIB copy will usually cost you 20-25 bucks

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="MrYaotubo"] Well,that´s why the DD option is there,as long as there is the option to purchase the game digitally from their service,tracking down older games won´t be an issue,and in that case all the revenue goes to sony,while on used copies it doesn´t. That´s the way we´re headed.MrYaotubo

the same problem will apply to new games as well

I doubt we'll see a DD version of Too Human

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"] I mean all next gen games released on those systems,not older,already released games. And Exhumed,while it was a good game it isn´t exactly a very sought out game,and anyone that really wants it can get the much better PC version of the game easily.MrYaotubo

actually the PC version and the console versions are two entirely different games

the PC version is a Duke Nukem style game (even uses the build engine) whereas the console versions are very similar to Metroid Prime.

And actually, the console version is pretty sought after, not the most expensive game mind you, but a CIB copy will usually cost you 20-25 bucks

the PC version looks better, but they're different games at heart.

I remember *coughs*downloading*coughs* the PC version and thinking 'why does everyone praise this game so much?'

then I tried the Saturn version, the difference was night and day

We told you that the industry see second hand game sales in the same light as piracy..... We all told you it was coming. clyde46

It's not piracy though because people are actually PAYING FOR IT. It's no difference then selling a used car, DVD's, used furniture, jewerly, electronics, anything. Does every company expect to get a cut from used items people sell to other people? No, they don't. Neither should game publisher and developers.

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Eh, I'm going all digital next gen anyway. Digital is the future.

burgeg

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[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/384922/sony-patents-pre-owned-games-block/

Sony patents pre-owned games block

Technology 'tags' games that have been used in different consoles

Sony Computer Entertainment has filed a patent for technology designed to suppress pre-owned game sales.

blue_hazy_basic

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Every Exhumed/Powerslave fan I've heard prefer the SEGA Saturn/PlayStation versions though.rilpas

that's because the PC version is an entirely different game

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Every Exhumed/Powerslave fan I've heard prefer the SEGA Saturn/PlayStation versions though.MrYaotubo

that's because the PC version is an entirely different game

I honestly didn't care for the game, it had a low framerate and the controls were just too awkward for me

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Just another sign that I will be done with consoles altogether after the PS3 and will be PC only. If Sony thought they had a bad round this gen, just watch them fail even harder next gen and I will sit back and laugh at their stupidity.AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Every Exhumed/Powerslave fan I've heard prefer the SEGA Saturn/PlayStation versions though.MrYaotubo

that's because the PC version is an entirely different game

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

delta3074

Any console manufacturer that puts in place a measure to stop used game usage will cut their own throat.

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] +1. Its just as bad as piracy. Thank you Sony for looking out for us.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"] So renting a game is a bad thing now? blackace

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

that's because the PC version is an entirely different game

Nanomage

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

About time, this is great news for the games industry.

Bruce_Benzing

not confirmed, and there were rumors over summer for this becoming standard. I don't like it at all though. on the other hand (sayonara gamestop, if it ever happened). Microsoft1234

Seriously, why is Gamestop the only target in this mess?

I just see it as them patenting things to make their investors and make publishers happy. I don't see them utilizing it.

If they do, nothing will really change. People are really overblowing this. If anything you should all be demanding that retailer actually compete for your money. This $60 standard across all retailers is just 100% bullcrap. There is no incentive to shop at one store over another right now.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] So renting a game is a bad thing now?

clyde46

Think of it this way, every time a game gets rented, its a lost sale.

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well if Sony or any other console maker do go ahead and implement this I hope I wont be alone in telling them No thank you I dont want your latest product.sonny2dap

You won't be the only one. I'm sure if Sony did do this, after seeing the poor reception in sales, they would most likely pull the plug on it with an update. It wouldn't last.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"] So renting a game is a bad thing now? blackace

I just see it as them patenting things to make their investors and make publishers happy. I don't see them utilizing it.

If they do, nothing will really change. People are really overblowing this. If anything you should all be demanding that retailer actually compete for your money. This $60 standard across all retailers is just 100% bullcrap. There is no incentive to shop at one store over another right now.

Wasdie

Retailer exclusive DLC is fairly common among high profile publishers, guess that's the way to provide the incentive...

[QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] +1. Its just as bad as piracy. Thank you Sony for looking out for us.clyde46

No it's not. Rental copies cost far more to purchase and keep licensed. They get their money from rentals. You don't rent out retail copies, you get into agreements with the publisher on how the rental contracts will work.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Bruce_Benzing"] So renting a game is a bad thing now?

Wasdie

No it's not. Rental copies cost far more to purchase and keep licensed. They get their money from rentals. You don't rent out retail copies, you get into agreements with the publisher on how the rental contracts will work.

So many people discovered their favorite developers through borrowing a game (from that developer) from a friend, renting a game for the weekend, getting a game super cheap through used, or (dare I say) piracy.

It's incredibly rare that someone discovers their favorite developer by dropping $60 on a new game which is why something like this is a bad idea for the industry.