sorry hermits PC isn't the best (facts only)

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Except hes wrong and millions more casual games sell better on PC....

Hes also wrong on the functioning.... sorry, but consoles dont just play games now like PCs dont... the PS3 for instance has been advertised as a Blu Ray player....

Gaming systems? theyre just prioperty PC's with gaming ready hardware in them like ... *GASP* PCS! :shock:

jasonheyman

No thesmiter owned this thread with that statement! He wasn't unfair to the PC platform. It was well worded and very true so thesmiter gets ownage rewards for this one for sure:D

But they are not one financial entity.... so he failed, as do you.

console games are simply better and have better developers working on them.

_Donnelly_

Opinion.

Without Blizzard PC gaming is basically dead.

_Donnelly_

This signifies ignorance and completely ignores Valve, Relic, Stardock, Crytek, Sid Meier, GSC Gameworld, DICE, Bioware and several dozen of other devs who have recently released and are developing games for the PC, exclusives or otherwise.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

Well, I do. ;)

Let's look at the facts:

You assumed that because of what I said, if someone uses a GameSpot score instead of a score from another site, they should get off GameSpot. That, however, is not what I said. I simply implied that only using GameSpot is retarded because we discuss the videogame industry here, of which GameRankings is a part of.

It's that simple. Reading comprehension FTW! :lol:

naval

:lol: lets analyze the socalled facts

let's say if there some discrepancy between GS and gamerankings results (which was there in the wrong way TC used Gameankings here), what should be considered then - Gamespot or Gamerankings ? Since we are on GS,we should be preferring GS, right ? But according to you even if contradicts GS ratings, anybody not agreeing with Gamerankings socre should get off GS.So you as I said before nice logic there:roll:

You are putting words in my mouth. Again. Taking things out of context as well. :lol:

I don't know what should be considered then. I guess it will be an argument where both sides are right as long as they have reasons to back their decision up. In addition, all I said was that people should stop saying that "LoL, wee r on da GameSpot, man!" to discredit every single other source of professional reviews in the videogaming industry. That is just foolish.

You just assumed that I meant that anybody who does not agree with GameRankings should get off GameSpot. What you failed to realise is that I inferred that anyone who only uses GameSpot or discredits GameRankings because we are on GameSpot should get off GameSpot.

So yes, try harder. ;) :roll: :lol:

Clearly my pc would win in a fight, its much heavier then any of the consoles, and would body slam the opponent into dust.

Hence computers are better..

PC will always have better graphics than consoles, (for the minority of PC users with the cash to upgrade every 2 years or so) but console games are simply better and have better developers working on them.

Without Blizzard PC gaming is basically dead.

_Donnelly_

Let's just forget that Valve, Creative Assembly, Stardock, Relic, DICE, BioWare, Monolith, CDProjekt Red and Maxis ever existed then yeah you might have a point there.

But you don't. So....

BTW your top part is all opinion. No where near the fact.

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

why do they continue to exist? why does m$ even put up with it? they must just be generous... unless, they make money on the games and xbl?

thesmiter

[QUOTE="mikhail_tisoy"][QUOTE="XEviscerateX"]

Fact-Fallout 3 has better graphics on the PC

Fact-Far Cry 2 has much better graphics on PC

Fact-Consoles lack mmos and are terrible at RTSes

Fact-Diablo 3 anyone?

Fact-The vast majority of genres for games are better played for PC.

princeofshapeir

Not really. Many games on the PC don't require yearly upgrades (Like a certain game I like so much). Even then, it's not as expensive as buying a console, games and accessories.

So you're saying a year down the road a new high-spec game comes along and you'll be able to play it at high quality (which is the only quality that counts, if you believe the talk) without any further investments?

PC will always have better graphics than consoles, (for the minority of PC users with the cash to upgrade every 2 years or so) but console games are simply better and have better developers working on them.

Without Blizzard PC gaming is basically dead.

_Donnelly_

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="mikhail_tisoy"][QUOTE="XEviscerateX"]

Fact-Fallout 3 has better graphics on the PC

Fact-Far Cry 2 has much better graphics on PC

Fact-Consoles lack mmos and are terrible at RTSes

Fact-Diablo 3 anyone?

Fact-The vast majority of genres for games are better played for PC.

HuusAsking

Not really. Many games on the PC don't require yearly upgrades (Like a certain game I like so much). Even then, it's not as expensive as buying a console, games and accessories.

So you're saying a year down the road a new high-spec game comes along and you'll be able to play it at high quality (which is the only quality that counts, if you believe the talk) without any further investments?

My PC is 2 years old and I play Crysis Warhead on enthusiasts at 1600x1200 .. go figure.

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge IN USA console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

thesmiter

Ahhh thats why PC gaming dominates rich countries like Russia, China, India, Poland, Greece....

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

thesmiter

The PC made by crysis is a complete PC to play HIGH, meaning you could still plat any games that demand good hardware by lowering the settings... that's one of the strength for PC. So $700 again is not that expensive if you split with your brother.

If you don't like the assle then that's your opinion... I wasin't born with all this PC ''knowledge', just be reading and trying things out, you understand how it works... just like when learn something at school.

PC has there share of the market, it doesn't need to be the same as console. World of Warcraft brings more money then any game on the planet... but they also do well in other categorie of games.

And PC gaming will go on just like it did for the past what 20-30 years now...

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="mikhail_tisoy"][QUOTE="XEviscerateX"]

Fact-Fallout 3 has better graphics on the PC

Fact-Far Cry 2 has much better graphics on PC

Fact-Consoles lack mmos and are terrible at RTSes

Fact-Diablo 3 anyone?

Fact-The vast majority of genres for games are better played for PC.

HuusAsking

Not really. Many games on the PC don't require yearly upgrades (Like a certain game I like so much). Even then, it's not as expensive as buying a console, games and accessories.

So you're saying a year down the road a new high-spec game comes along and you'll be able to play it at high quality (which is the only quality that counts, if you believe the talk) without any further investments?

Why does it need to be ''HIGH'' settings, do you think console play at any high settings?

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge IN USA console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

True_Gamer_

Ahhh thats why PC gaming dominates rich countries like Russia, China, India, Poland, Greece....

china, russia, india... hmm..... some of the largest countries in the world, not to mention that they are industrailizing rapidly... poland as well.

oh, btw, can you show a chart of this, as well as a ranking on high-end pc sales in those countries comparative to those in western europe and north america?

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge IN USA console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

thesmiter

Ahhh thats why PC gaming dominates rich countries like Russia, China, India, Poland, Greece....

china, russia, india... hmm..... some of the largest countries in the world, not to mention that they are industrailizing rapidly... poland as well.

oh, btw, can you show a chart of this, as well as a ranking on high-end pc sales in those countries comparative to those in western europe and north america?

Hmm i believe even a sledge hammer would fail to knock the "high-end PC=console" hilarious notion out of the thick skulled console fanboys' heads.....

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

Bebi_vegeta

The PC made by crysis is a complete PC to play HIGH, meaning you could still plat any games that demand good hardware by lowering the settings... that's one of the strength for PC. So $700 again is not that expensive if you split with your brother.

If you don't like the assle then that's your opinion... I wasin't born with all this PC ''knowledge', just be reading and trying things out, you understand how it works... just like when learn something at school.

PC has there share of the market, it doesn't need to be the same as console. World of Warcraft brings more money then any game on the planet... but they also do well in other categorie of games.

And PC gaming will go on just like it did for the past what 20-30 years now...

your argument is moot. if you were to convince all the people in the world that are not computer savvy, to become so, then that would be something.

as for pc games, obviously they will not die out. i never said they would.

and 700 for a pc that would need to be upgraded in two years, as well as include virus protection and other software, not to mention m$ office or some variant thereof, is not the same as buying a 300-400 dollar console that lasts for 5 years.

why do you think that consoles exist? not everyone thinks like you. why is pc gaming thriving? not everyone thinks like me.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

thesmiter

The PC made by crysis is a complete PC to play HIGH, meaning you could still plat any games that demand good hardware by lowering the settings... that's one of the strength for PC. So $700 again is not that expensive if you split with your brother.

If you don't like the assle then that's your opinion... I wasin't born with all this PC ''knowledge', just be reading and trying things out, you understand how it works... just like when learn something at school.

PC has there share of the market, it doesn't need to be the same as console. World of Warcraft brings more money then any game on the planet... but they also do well in other categorie of games.

And PC gaming will go on just like it did for the past what 20-30 years now...

your argument is moot. if you were to convince all the people in the world that are not computer savvy, to become so, then that would be something.

as for pc games, obviously they will not die out. i never said they would.

and 700 for a pc that would need to be upgraded in two years, as well as include virus protection and other software, not to mention m$ office or some variant thereof, is not the same as buying a 300-400 dollar console that lasts for 5 years.

why do you think that consoles exist? not everyone thinks like you. why is pc gaming thriving? not everyone thinks like me.

In EU PC gaming is cheaper than consoles....and in China and in India and in Russia....

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge IN USA console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

True_Gamer_

Ahhh thats why PC gaming dominates rich countries like Russia, China, India, Poland, Greece....

china, russia, india... hmm..... some of the largest countries in the world, not to mention that they are industrailizing rapidly... poland as well.

oh, btw, can you show a chart of this, as well as a ranking on high-end pc sales in those countries comparative to those in western europe and north america?

Hmm i believe even a sledge hammer would fail to knock the "high-end PC=console" hilarious notion out of the thick skulled console fanboys' heads.....

you need a more high-end pc to play modern pc games, correct? if that is not the case, then why can't i play any shooters on my pc?

i never said high-end = consoles. this was your misguided conclusion.

with a console you get games for it, they work. with a pc, you get games for it, and two years later you notice degrading performance on the newer games. is this not true? do you not need to upgrade? do you use computer parts from late 2005, early 2006 in your high-end gaming pc? if you do, how much did they cost you two years ago?

and by the way, that was very uncalled for. i have no particular bias other than not being able to afford a good pc. if i could, i would. i like pc games, although i play the older one. but you are proving the pc gamer elitist stereotype, which i previously did not believe.

In EU PC gaming is cheaper than consoles....and in China and in India and in Russia....

yes, but what are the computer gaming sales numbers? what are they versus Western Europe, North America? are they as high? are they close? i just want to know. if you would present something that said that pc game sales in EU, Asia, are higher than console game sales in Western Europe, North America, then i would believe you.

but it wouldn't change the fact that i can't even afford the $700 crysis pc.

i got my ps3 40 gb as a refurbished cosole off of ebay, and buy used games.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

thesmiter

The PC made by crysis is a complete PC to play HIGH, meaning you could still plat any games that demand good hardware by lowering the settings... that's one of the strength for PC. So $700 again is not that expensive if you split with your brother.

If you don't like the assle then that's your opinion... I wasin't born with all this PC ''knowledge', just be reading and trying things out, you understand how it works... just like when learn something at school.

PC has there share of the market, it doesn't need to be the same as console. World of Warcraft brings more money then any game on the planet... but they also do well in other categorie of games.

And PC gaming will go on just like it did for the past what 20-30 years now...

your argument is moot. if you were to convince all the people in the world that are not computer savvy, to become so, then that would be something.

as for pc games, obviously they will not die out. i never said they would.

and 700 for a pc that would need to be upgraded in two years, as well as include virus protection and other software, not to mention m$ office or some variant thereof, is not the same as buying a 300-400 dollar console that lasts for 5 years.

why do you think that consoles exist? not everyone thinks like you. why is pc gaming thriving? not everyone thinks like me.

How is my argument moot? You don't need to be a genius to install hardware or to even install windows... you can even type anything on google about PC and you'll find your answer. This is no NASA secret about building a PC... if your just too lazy, then that's no one else fault but yours.

How does a 700$ PC need upgrade? You only upgrade when you feel like it, nobody is forcing you. That $700 PC can still play games in 2 years, yes you might need to lower settings for high end games, but you can still play games. There's plenty of free anti virus like AVG... and Open Office is also free. Seriously, that was a moot arguement.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Ahhh thats why PC gaming dominates rich countries like Russia, China, India, Poland, Greece....

thesmiter

china, russia, india... hmm..... some of the largest countries in the world, not to mention that they are industrailizing rapidly... poland as well.

oh, btw, can you show a chart of this, as well as a ranking on high-end pc sales in those countries comparative to those in western europe and north america?

Hmm i believe even a sledge hammer would fail to knock the "high-end PC=console" hilarious notion out of the thick skulled console fanboys' heads.....

you need a more high-end pc to play modern pc games, correct? if that is not the case, then why can't i play any shooters on my pc?

i never said high-end = consoles. this was your misguided conclusion.

with a console you get games for it, they work. with a pc, you get games for it, and two years later you notice degrading performance on the newer games. is this not true? do you not need to upgrade? do you use computer parts from late 2005, early 2006 in your high-end gaming pc? if you do, how much did they cost you two years ago?

and by the way, that was very uncalled for. i have no particular bias other than not being able to afford a good pc. if i could, i would. i like pc games, although i play the older one. but you are proving the pc gamer elitist stereotype, which i previously did not believe.

PC parts have never been cheaper, so really this is the best time to get a PC gaming. Also the quality of hardware is way better today then it was back a few years, meaning i'll have way better price/performance today then a few years ago.

Again I don't need to upgrade if I don't feel like it, I can play on lower settings, hence console settings... or even lower, until I decide when it's time to upgrade.

PC is the best because guess what, without the PC there would be no 360.xXSecksXx

[QUOTE="xXSecksXx"]PC is the best because guess what, without the PC there would be no 360.xXHackettXx

Ferrari Enzo being the PC of course....

[QUOTE="xXSecksXx"]PC is the best because guess what, without the PC there would be no 360.xXHackettXx

Becuase cars are also the same thing as computers....

[QUOTE="xXHackettXx"][QUOTE="xXSecksXx"]PC is the best because guess what, without the PC there would be no 360.McJugga

Becuase cars are also the same thing as computers....

If PC was so important, why aren't there PC versions of every game? Heck why are there consoles at all??

zomg

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

like i already said before, maybe too many pages ago to remember, pc is the largest singular platform. and, as such, it probably sells the most games. but you can't tell me that pc owners who play top of the line pc games like crysis, don't upgrade their computers every 2 years or so.

if i had the money, i would be a pc gamer. hell, i would have more than one system, and have more than 3 games at a time. but i'm a poor college student who splits his ps 3 with his brother. i just can't afford pc gaming.

i would say that there are lots of people in my position. middle of the road. not poor, but not able to buy expensive pcs. and the one made for crysis is still $700, and it will last about 2 years, maybe less since it isn't the best you can buy, before it needs an upgrade.

i just can't afford it. and i just don't like all the hassles that go along with computer gaming. call me comuter illiterate, because i am. as are many, many people.

you can't tell me that if you asked some casual game player if he's even heard of crysis, he would acknowledge it. if you asked him about the sims, he would know what it was. and wow, even if he's never played them.

other than mmorpg and strategy, pc has few games that outsell huge console games like halo and gta 4. they might sell just as well as some console games, but you can't say they are bigger.

console and pc both excell at different things. thats just how it works. the continued existence of consoles of any kind, including the wii, prove this point. they both appeal to a certain market, and they both succeed. and they will continue to, even if the current consoles fail. there will be others. its just a fact.

Bebi_vegeta

The PC made by crysis is a complete PC to play HIGH, meaning you could still plat any games that demand good hardware by lowering the settings... that's one of the strength for PC. So $700 again is not that expensive if you split with your brother.

If you don't like the assle then that's your opinion... I wasin't born with all this PC ''knowledge', just be reading and trying things out, you understand how it works... just like when learn something at school.

PC has there share of the market, it doesn't need to be the same as console. World of Warcraft brings more money then any game on the planet... but they also do well in other categorie of games.

And PC gaming will go on just like it did for the past what 20-30 years now...

your argument is moot. if you were to convince all the people in the world that are not computer savvy, to become so, then that would be something.

as for pc games, obviously they will not die out. i never said they would.

and 700 for a pc that would need to be upgraded in two years, as well as include virus protection and other software, not to mention m$ office or some variant thereof, is not the same as buying a 300-400 dollar console that lasts for 5 years.

why do you think that consoles exist? not everyone thinks like you. why is pc gaming thriving? not everyone thinks like me.

How is my argument moot? You don't need to be a genius to install hardware or to even install windows... you can even type anything on google about PC and you'll find your answer. This is no NASA secret about building a PC... if your just too lazy, then that's no one else fault but yours.

How does a 700$ PC need upgrade? You only upgrade when you feel like it, nobody is forcing you. That $700 PC can still play games in 2 years, yes you might need to lower settings for high end games, but you can still play games. There's plenty of free anti virus like AVG... and Open Office is also free. Seriously, that was a moot arguement.

so then if i get the $700 pc, i won't need an upgrade in 2 years? you have very selective reading skills. also, my pc that was bought for me by my grandparents for college did not include m$ office. my family bought the new 2007 version for 3 pcs, and it cost roughly $120.

i don't know about open office, i don't think lots of people like me would. do you understand my point? there are lots of gamers that are not computer literate, that would just prefer to play on a console.

why can't you just accept that? is it not true that more than 10 million of each console have been sold? i must have missed something. we must all be fools for not just buying a great pc instead...

and the pc (not laptop) i currently own, my family pooled money and i bought the parts and built it, so i know how to put a pc together.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

Ahhh thats why PC gaming dominates rich countries like Russia, China, India, Poland, Greece....

Bebi_vegeta

china, russia, india... hmm..... some of the largest countries in the world, not to mention that they are industrailizing rapidly... poland as well.

oh, btw, can you show a chart of this, as well as a ranking on high-end pc sales in those countries comparative to those in western europe and north america?

Hmm i believe even a sledge hammer would fail to knock the "high-end PC=console" hilarious notion out of the thick skulled console fanboys' heads.....

you need a more high-end pc to play modern pc games, correct? if that is not the case, then why can't i play any shooters on my pc?

i never said high-end = consoles. this was your misguided conclusion.

with a console you get games for it, they work. with a pc, you get games for it, and two years later you notice degrading performance on the newer games. is this not true? do you not need to upgrade? do you use computer parts from late 2005, early 2006 in your high-end gaming pc? if you do, how much did they cost you two years ago?

and by the way, that was very uncalled for. i have no particular bias other than not being able to afford a good pc. if i could, i would. i like pc games, although i play the older one. but you are proving the pc gamer elitist stereotype, which i previously did not believe.

PC parts have never been cheaper, so really this is the best time to get a PC gaming. Also the quality of hardware is way better today then it was back a few years, meaning i'll have way better price/performance today then a few years ago.

Again I don't need to upgrade if I don't feel like it, I can play on lower settings, hence console settings... or even lower, until I decide when it's time to upgrade.

and so no one has a pc built of bargain parts that is from 1-2 years ago? no one buys cheaper pcs? i can play modern games on mine on lower settings? i can't play any modern games on my pc unless i want to watch a very slow slideshow.

[QUOTE="McJugga"]

[QUOTE="xXHackettXx"][QUOTE="xXSecksXx"]PC is the best because guess what, without the PC there would be no 360.xXHackettXx

Becuase cars are also the same thing as computers....

Comparing a PC to a old care, and a new console to a ferrari is not fair.

Everyone with a PC upgrades it. So PCs are actually newer than consoles in a way.

i'm done here. let me just say that i would love to own a gamig pc, but don't have the funds. i had enough to pay for this semester, buy a used ps3 off of ebay, and buy some used games. i use an old laptop my grandparents gave me. the family pc is 2 years old and made from cheaper priced parts. i put it together.

is it so bad that i would rather play a console? it lasts me longer. am i really wrong for liking to play a console because i don't have enough money to upgrade my computer every few years? are millions of other people?

or is it all just preference and circumstance, and maybe this whole thread is moot?

i'm out. goodbye.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

your argument is moot. if you were to convince all the people in the world that are not computer savvy, to become so, then that would be something.

as for pc games, obviously they will not die out. i never said they would.

and 700 for a pc that would need to be upgraded in two years, as well as include virus protection and other software, not to mention m$ office or some variant thereof, is not the same as buying a 300-400 dollar console that lasts for 5 years.

why do you think that consoles exist? not everyone thinks like you. why is pc gaming thriving? not everyone thinks like me.

thesmiter

How is my argument moot? You don't need to be a genius to install hardware or to even install windows... you can even type anything on google about PC and you'll find your answer. This is no NASA secret about building a PC... if your just too lazy, then that's no one else fault but yours.

How does a 700$ PC need upgrade? You only upgrade when you feel like it, nobody is forcing you. That $700 PC can still play games in 2 years, yes you might need to lower settings for high end games, but you can still play games. There's plenty of free anti virus like AVG... and Open Office is also free. Seriously, that was a moot arguement.

so then if i get the $700 pc, i won't need an upgrade in 2 years? you have very selective reading skills. also, my pc that was bought for me by my grandparents for college did not include m$ office. my family bought the new 2007 version for 3 pcs, and it cost roughly $120.

i don't know about open office, i don't think lots of people like me would. do you understand my point? there are lots of gamers that are not computer literate, that would just prefer to play on a console.

why can't you just accept that? is it not true that more than 10 million of each console have been sold? i must have missed something. we must all be fools for not just buying a great pc instead...

and the pc (not laptop) i currently own, my family pooled money and i bought the parts and built it, so i know how to put a pc together.

So, yes, if you get that $700 you won't and don't need to upgrade you're pc.

Open Office is free... i'm sure there's enough people who know about... I mean, I know about it. Anway it has nothing to do with gaming, so I have no idea why you're talking about Microsoft ofiice.

I will agree that some people prefer console, that's pretty much a no argument zone there... preference if unique to the person.

Again I never said you were fools for not buying PC.

But don't bring some crappy argument about being to complicated or too expensive.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

you need a more high-end pc to play modern pc games, correct? if that is not the case, then why can't i play any shooters on my pc?

i never said high-end = consoles. this was your misguided conclusion.

with a console you get games for it, they work. with a pc, you get games for it, and two years later you notice degrading performance on the newer games. is this not true? do you not need to upgrade? do you use computer parts from late 2005, early 2006 in your high-end gaming pc? if you do, how much did they cost you two years ago?

and by the way, that was very uncalled for. i have no particular bias other than not being able to afford a good pc. if i could, i would. i like pc games, although i play the older one. but you are proving the pc gamer elitist stereotype, which i previously did not believe.

thesmiter

PC parts have never been cheaper, so really this is the best time to get a PC gaming. Also the quality of hardware is way better today then it was back a few years, meaning i'll have way better price/performance today then a few years ago.

Again I don't need to upgrade if I don't feel like it, I can play on lower settings, hence console settings... or even lower, until I decide when it's time to upgrade.

and so no one has a pc built of bargain parts that is from 1-2 years ago? no one buys cheaper pcs? i can play modern games on mine on lower settings? i can't play any modern games on my pc unless i want to watch a very slow slideshow.

Like I said... hardware of today have way better price/performance ratio.

I have no clue what your PC is, so give some info on the hardware and i'll tell you how it will run... and how much is was really worth when you got it.

i'm done here. let me just say that i would love to own a gamig pc, but don't have the funds. i had enough to pay for this semester, buy a used ps3 off of ebay, and buy some used games. i use an old laptop my grandparents gave me. the family pc is 2 years old and made from cheaper priced parts. i put it together.

is it so bad that i would rather play a console? it lasts me longer. am i really wrong for liking to play a console because i don't have enough money to upgrade my computer every few years? are millions of other people?

or is it all just preference and circumstance, and maybe this whole thread is moot?

i'm out. goodbye.

thesmiter

Most people on GS live in countries that don't easily get consoles because their laws won't abide by copyrights agreements (foriegn countries like to go ARRHH!!1 when it comes to software) and thus they go PC more often.

[QUOTE="gink101"]

Why is it that hermits believe that they are somehow elitests'? That they look down upon consoles and in many threads say "It doesn't matter PC is still the best. Let me give some facts that prove that the PC isn't dominating consoles in any way. Actually its the other way around. Lets compare the PC vs the 360 in the last 12 months.

360- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

66 games rated over 75%

45 AA's

9 AAA's

PC- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

32 games rated over 75%

20 AA's

5 AA's

Im sure i will hear many hermits claim that the "standards are higher on PC and how many games that are on PC would score much higher if they were on consoles. Sorry hermits thats completely false. If that is the case then why do games that appear on the 360 and PC that are basically identical in content recieve the same score?

examples

Bioshock PC(95%) Xbox 360 (95%) so much for higher standards lol

The Orange Box PC(96%) Xbox 360 (96%) why do they score identical? because they are the same game and are identical on both consoles except someone with a sweet pc can get slightly better graphics.

The PC is a great gaming platform but it IS NOT as dominant as it used to be.

Hermits need to realize that the PC isn't dominant over consoles.

fatzebra

Ok, one year of STATISTICS, and a cry fest. Yup you win, I'm sorry, I'll now throw my insignificant PC away.

Guess how 360 and PS3 games are made, just take a wild guess.

What was your answer?

Ah, that's correct, now shut up. =)

lol, this argument always fails so hard, who cares where the games are made, its what they're played on that matters, what platform will make the most money. Consoles.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="thesmiter"]

your argument is moot. if you were to convince all the people in the world that are not computer savvy, to become so, then that would be something.

as for pc games, obviously they will not die out. i never said they would.

and 700 for a pc that would need to be upgraded in two years, as well as include virus protection and other software, not to mention m$ office or some variant thereof, is not the same as buying a 300-400 dollar console that lasts for 5 years.

why do you think that consoles exist? not everyone thinks like you. why is pc gaming thriving? not everyone thinks like me.

Bebi_vegeta

How is my argument moot? You don't need to be a genius to install hardware or to even install windows... you can even type anything on google about PC and you'll find your answer. This is no NASA secret about building a PC... if your just too lazy, then that's no one else fault but yours.

How does a 700$ PC need upgrade? You only upgrade when you feel like it, nobody is forcing you. That $700 PC can still play games in 2 years, yes you might need to lower settings for high end games, but you can still play games. There's plenty of free anti virus like AVG... and Open Office is also free. Seriously, that was a moot arguement.

so then if i get the $700 pc, i won't need an upgrade in 2 years? you have very selective reading skills. also, my pc that was bought for me by my grandparents for college did not include m$ office. my family bought the new 2007 version for 3 pcs, and it cost roughly $120.

i don't know about open office, i don't think lots of people like me would. do you understand my point? there are lots of gamers that are not computer literate, that would just prefer to play on a console.

why can't you just accept that? is it not true that more than 10 million of each console have been sold? i must have missed something. we must all be fools for not just buying a great pc instead...

and the pc (not laptop) i currently own, my family pooled money and i bought the parts and built it, so i know how to put a pc together.

So, yes, if you get that $700 you won't and don't need to upgrade you're pc.

Open Office is free... i'm sure there's enough people who know about... I mean, I know about it. Anway it has nothing to do with gaming, so I have no idea why you're talking about Microsoft ofiice.

I will agree that some people prefer console, that's pretty much a no argument zone there... preference if unique to the person.

Again I never said you were fools for not buying PC.

But don't bring some crappy argument about being to complicated or too expensive.

i'll never understand the price argument, i have spent more on my PS3 and its games than i have on my PC and its games and i never even play my PS3. The games look awfull on the PS3 compared to the PC too.

Think i paid $700 aus for my PS3, then another $230 on 2 games then $70 on a pad and $30 on a hdmi. Total $1030. My pc (bought in UK) cost $1200 a year ago, would be much less these days. When you total up all the games i have bought on the PC and PS3 then add that to those totals PS3 has cost me much much more in that same time frame.

[QUOTE="fatzebra"][QUOTE="gink101"]

Why is it that hermits believe that they are somehow elitests'? That they look down upon consoles and in many threads say "It doesn't matter PC is still the best. Let me give some facts that prove that the PC isn't dominating consoles in any way. Actually its the other way around. Lets compare the PC vs the 360 in the last 12 months.

360- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

66 games rated over 75%

45 AA's

9 AAA's

PC- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

32 games rated over 75%

20 AA's

5 AA's

Im sure i will hear many hermits claim that the "standards are higher on PC and how many games that are on PC would score much higher if they were on consoles. Sorry hermits thats completely false. If that is the case then why do games that appear on the 360 and PC that are basically identical in content recieve the same score?

examples

Bioshock PC(95%) Xbox 360 (95%) so much for higher standards lol

The Orange Box PC(96%) Xbox 360 (96%) why do they score identical? because they are the same game and are identical on both consoles except someone with a sweet pc can get slightly better graphics.

The PC is a great gaming platform but it IS NOT as dominant as it used to be.

Hermits need to realize that the PC isn't dominant over consoles.

MegaManZXY

Ok, one year of STATISTICS, and a cry fest. Yup you win, I'm sorry, I'll now throw my insignificant PC away.

Guess how 360 and PS3 games are made, just take a wild guess.

What was your answer?

Ah, that's correct, now shut up. =)

lol, this argument always fails so hard, who cares where the games are made, its what they're played on that matters, what platform will make the most money. Consoles.

Consoles are not a platform, Xbox 360, Wii, and the PS3 are each seperate platforms and consoles.

[QUOTE="Immortal_Evil"]Don't believe a thing that comes out of some of these hermits mouths. I own a gaming computer and a 360 and experienced the best from both sides, hell i prefer my 360 alot more then my rig. Sure hermits can tweak their machines and "improve" some games. I laugh at all hermits who pull the old RROD call on lemmings too..Please, if you own a decent rig you have alot more issues than a weeks repair that a lem has to bare.Memoryitis

You really didnt give an clear reason on why you prefer your 360 over the PC. I own both and I am tired of having to pay 50$ for online, paying an extra 10$ for the same game, and all these ports just make consoles even worse

PCs has can tweak, mod, and a hell of a lot smarter than the console community

no reason needed. it just is.

[QUOTE="Memoryitis"]

[QUOTE="Immortal_Evil"]Don't believe a thing that comes out of some of these hermits mouths. I own a gaming computer and a 360 and experienced the best from both sides, hell i prefer my 360 alot more then my rig. Sure hermits can tweak their machines and "improve" some games. I laugh at all hermits who pull the old RROD call on lemmings too..Please, if you own a decent rig you have alot more issues than a weeks repair that a lem has to bare.rgame1

You really didnt give an clear reason on why you prefer your 360 over the PC. I own both and I am tired of having to pay 50$ for online, paying an extra 10$ for the same game, and all these ports just make consoles even worse

PCs has can tweak, mod, and a hell of a lot smarter than the console community

no reason needed. it just is.

I think PC gaming is better than console gaming. No reason needed. It just is.

See I can do it too.

is this thread still alive lol, when consoles get games like WAR, Coh, DoW2, Crysis, Stalker, TW series, SC2, Diablo 3, when consoles can actually do 1080p and when consoles can have mods i'll agree its close to PC gaming.Frozzik

Not everyone values the same things in a game machine. There's no one undeniably superior platform.

[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="gink101"]

Why is it that hermits believe that they are somehow elitests'? That they look down upon consoles and in many threads say "It doesn't matter PC is still the best. Let me give some facts that prove that the PC isn't dominating consoles in any way. Actually its the other way around. Lets compare the PC vs the 360 in the last 12 months.

360- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

66 games rated over 75%

45 AA's

9 AAA's

PC- http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

32 games rated over 75%

20 AA's

5 AA's

Im sure i will hear many hermits claim that the "standards are higher on PC and how many games that are on PC would score much higher if they were on consoles. Sorry hermits thats completely false. If that is the case then why do games that appear on the 360 and PC that are basically identical in content recieve the same score?

examples

Bioshock PC(95%) Xbox 360 (95%) so much for higher standards lol

The Orange Box PC(96%) Xbox 360 (96%) why do they score identical? because they are the same game and are identical on both consoles except someone with a sweet pc can get slightly better graphics.

The PC is a great gaming platform but it IS NOT as dominant as it used to be.

Hermits need to realize that the PC isn't dominant over consoles.

nVidiaGaMer

What a waste of a post. You must not post on here often. The only scores that matter at gamespot are gamespots.

Thread failed/

And Gamespot gave MGS 4 a 10. Hermits. :roll:

to bad its just a long movie. Cows :roll: PS - im not a cow anymore now i am on no side...i just hate the wii

but teh hermits have two platforms! PC and 360

i like pc but i have to say i don't like pc fanboys opinions on other forms of gaming and how graphics are everything. I can list a whole bunch of great games that don't need a great computer.mayforcebeyou

Which is why I see countless threads about whether Resistance 2 > Gears' 2 graphicss or if Killzone 2 > Gear's 2 graphics and vice versa. Fact is, consolites are just as into graphics as hermits are.

But to hermits, graphics aren't everything and it shows when we play old games such as starcraft, counterstrike, and half life.

[QUOTE="mayforcebeyou"]i like pc but i have to say i don't like pc fanboys opinions on other forms of gaming and how graphics are everything. I can list a whole bunch of great games that don't need a great computer.bladeeagle

Which is why I see countless threads about whether Resistance 2 > Gears' 2 graphicss or if Killzone 2 > Gear's 2 graphics and vice versa. Fact is, consolites are just as into graphics as hermits are.

But to hermits, graphics aren't everything and it shows when we play old games such as starcraft, counterstrike, and half life.

i agree. but we do need to remember that the graphics obsessed threads, be it hermit, cow, lemming, and yes, even sheep, are usually the worst example of fanboy.

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

[QUOTE="mayforcebeyou"]i like pc but i have to say i don't like pc fanboys opinions on other forms of gaming and how graphics are everything. I can list a whole bunch of great games that don't need a great computer.clone01

Which is why I see countless threads about whether Resistance 2 > Gears' 2 graphicss or if Killzone 2 > Gear's 2 graphics and vice versa. Fact is, consolites are just as into graphics as hermits are.

But to hermits, graphics aren't everything and it shows when we play old games such as starcraft, counterstrike, and half life.

i agree. but we do need to remember that the graphics obsessed threads, be it hermit, cow, lemming, and yes, even sheep, are usually the worst example of fanboy.

That's pretty spot on.