Square Enix in big trouble, huge drop in popularity and sales of FF !

As for FF13-2, all I know is this. It has like ten different endings and a time travelling mechanic. This game is basically Chrono Break. I'm in. Doesn't hurt that I enjoyed the sh*t out of FF13.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]After all when was the last time the FF franchise used a tradition turn based system?RandoIph

What Square Enix needs is for the West to forget about Final Fantasy and fall in love with Dragon Quest, which is already indescribably huge in Japan. Really, guys, it's a better, less pretentious and far more charming franchise free of all the bullcrap.

LordQuorthon

Though if people in west did fall in love with DQ, i would be happy, as then their would be more turn based jrpgs ;)

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]even if FF died, SE has a lot more first party franchises, including the extremely popular dragon quest series and the also popular deus ex series. plus they do publishing for western companies in japan, so even if they didn't make games they'd still make money.razgriz_101

So Deus Ex HR,Just Cause 2 and the new Tomb Raider game coming next year all look bad?

The best thing to come out of Square recently was Dues Ex:HR. Perhaps they should stop doing JRPG type games and focus on more western type RPG's instead. At least then the games would be interesting.

and if I remember correctly didn't LO use a crappy version of the Judgement Ring system from the Shadow Hearts series?jasonharris48

The best thing to come out of Square recently was Dues Ex:HR. Perhaps they should stop doing JRPG type games and focus on more western type RPG's instead. At least then the games would be interesting.

xYamatox

[QUOTE="RandoIph"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"]After all when was the last time the FF franchise used a tradition turn based system?jasonharris48

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[QUOTE="RandoIph"] Final Fantasy X. Technically Lost Odyssey was a Final Fantasy game for all intents and purposes and had it as well.RandoIph

Its everything FF hsould have been, but with a better ring system

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]and if I remember correctly didn't LO use a crappy version of the Judgement Ring system from the Shadow Hearts series?Jynxzor

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"]and if I remember correctly didn't LO use a crappy version of the Judgement Ring system from the Shadow Hearts series?jasonharris48

I myself havent played the game

I also heard in had an awesome story. GT gave the story a 9.8.

Its everything FF hsould have been, but with a better ring systemcloud3601

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[QUOTE="Jynxzor"] Pretty much it was judgement ring without all the awesomness.cloud3601

I myself havent played the game

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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Ppl are still angry at Square Enix for FF13. hakanakumono

They complained when 12 was too western and non-linear, they complain that 13 is too linear. Fans spend more time complaining than actually playing the games they 'love'. I hope this is not true, shunning a series over one game. I hope these same people didn't do the same thing with the Devil May Cry series.

No one hates Final Fantasy more than Final Fantasy fans.

pretty much on the money. I enjoy the games but there are some fans who go way to far just cause they dont like a certain part. Its both comical and sometimes anoying.

*Looks at people whining about Final Fantasy*

*Plays some more FFXIV*

Jynxzor

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imo final fantasy dipped in quality after FFX

cloud3601

ff12 would be epic if it had a good story. i also felt that sometimes the game played itself, if you did the gambit system right

XIII wasn't that bad, but I really...really...REALLY hate that battle system. Good for SE trying something new though...it just didn't work for me at all. Core Gameplay imo is better than character development.

They need to do something different but it's hardly time for them to ring the alarm bells of closing. They just need a new strategy. This is one of those times when you fix things because obviously the company's doing something wrong.

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

What Square Enix needs is for the West to forget about Final Fantasy and fall in love with Dragon Quest, which is already indescribably huge in Japan. Really, guys, it's a better, less pretentious and far more charming franchise free of all the bullcrap.

cloud3601

Though if people in west did fall in love with DQ, i would be happy, as then their would be more turn based jrpgs ;)

DQ VIII is better than any FF game released in the last 10 years.

They need to do something different but it's hardly time for them to ring the alarm bells of closing. They just need a new strategy. This is one of those times when you fix things because obviously the company's doing something wrong.

verbtex

Trying to do something different is partly how they ended up with FFXII and FFXIII, polar opposites of each other, both hated upon release (although for FFXII you don't really see it much anymore).

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[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

What Square Enix needs is for the West to forget about Final Fantasy and fall in love with Dragon Quest, which is already indescribably huge in Japan. Really, guys, it's a better, less pretentious and far more charming franchise free of all the bullcrap.

svetzenlether

Though if people in west did fall in love with DQ, i would be happy, as then their would be more turn based jrpgs ;)

DQ VIII is better than any FF game released in the last 10 years.

That is pretty low sales, even considering it's a spin-off.

That being said I don't think this is a sign of a huge drop in popularity in FF, but just a sign of just how polarizing FFXIII was. I'm sure the sales for FFXV will be a hellof alot better than what FFXIII-2 got.

DJ-Lafleur

And i enjoyed it mroe than ff13. FFx-2 has better battle system, and in ffx-2 at least i understand the story. unlike in ff13...all this crap about the purge, pulse, falcie lcie. what the F

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imo final fantasy dipped in quality after FFX

garland51

I completely agree. FF died after X. The only good about FF now are spinoff games, like Dissidia & Type-0.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

imo final fantasy dipped in quality after FFX

cloud3601

I completely agree. FF died after X. The only good about FF now are spinoff games, like Dissidia & Type-0.

And what exactly makes Final Fnatsy, Final Fantasy?

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

They need to do something different but it's hardly time for them to ring the alarm bells of closing. They just need a new strategy. This is one of those times when you fix things because obviously the company's doing something wrong.

hakanakumono

Trying to do something different is partly how they ended up with FFXII and FFXIII, polar opposites of each other, both hated upon release (although for FFXII you don't really see it much anymore).

So doing more of the same in the golden days might work. But what do you keep for the good games and what do you drop so that people don't accuse you of making the same game over and over again?

Well thats quite simply what happens when you change the game franchise so much that older fans start completely dispising the series, it would be the same for newer FF fans if their favorite game got changed so much it's not even the same thing anymore. They always blab on about how people can't accept change but I really doubt they could accept change themselves either.

What SE needs to do to fix this mess of a fanbase they created is first of all give old school FF fans their Final Fantasy formula back, hand it to someone who knows what the hell they're doing. Those games don't even have to be super high-def HD graphix, heck they can even have pre-rendored backgrounds as long as the main characters doesn't look like lego. Still put it on the consoles. Then they need to make an entirely new franchise similer to the newer FF games where they can just butcher away at it and change it as many times as they want.

The unfortunate thing about gamers is, that while they say they want change, they, in reality, actually are afraid of it.

It's pathetic really.

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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Ppl are still angry at Square Enix for FF13. hakanakumono

They complained when 12 was too western and non-linear, they complain that 13 is too linear. Fans spend more time complaining than actually playing the games they 'love'. I hope this is not true, shunning a series over one game. I hope these same people didn't do the same thing with the Devil May Cry series.

No one hates Final Fantasy more than Final Fantasy fans.

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[QUOTE="garland51"]

I completely agree. FF died after X. The only good about FF now are spinoff games, like Dissidia & Type-0.

DJ-Lafleur

And what exactly makes Final Fnatsy, Final Fantasy?

secret hard boss like merald weapon, omega weapon e.t.c

You mean to tell me that people are losing interest in a franchise that has been milked for the past decade?

You mean to tell me that people are losing interest in a franchise that has been milked for the past decade?

SpinoRaptor24

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

So half a million in one week is now a bad thing? of course it did less than Tales of Xillia but half a million is pretty good, give it few more weeks and will hit a million in japan and will be over a million in 2 weeks outside of Japan, nothing to worry about. looking forward to play FFXIII-2

Krelian-co

Heres what another spinoff sold:

FF X-2........... 1,472,914 Units

yes a spin off to final fantasy x, one great final fantasy that almost everyone loved

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

You mean to tell me that people are losing interest in a franchise that has been milked for the past decade?

jasonharris48

I don't see how anyone can say it's milked when each main FF is unique in it's own way. Same response to the guy that said it was outdated. FF games have changed too much for them to be called outdated. The only milkage coming into play is the new DLC they are promising for FFXIII-2 or the likely possibility that there will be yet another FFXIII(FFXIII-3) which clearly not many people want in the first place so it wouldn't be wide spread milkage.

No, the main problem stems from too much change. Change is good when it's in increments but not severe change that can potentially screw everything up.

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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

You mean to tell me that people are losing interest in a franchise that has been milked for the past decade?

Crossel777

I don't see how anyone can say it's milked when each main FF is unique in it's own way. Same response to the guy that said it was outdated. FF games have changed too much for them to be called outdated. The only milkage coming into play is the new DLC they are promising for FFXIII-2 or the likely possibly that there will be yet another FFXIII(FFXIII-3).

12 was most definitely your normal ff game as was 10, but 13 was just crap. It's bound to happen, they'll come back strong I'm sure.robokill

FF11-14 were not normal FF games

[QUOTE="robokill"]12 was most definitely your normal ff game as was 10, but 13 was just crap. It's bound to happen, they'll come back strong I'm sure.cloud3601

FF11-14 were not normal FF games

thats a terrible guidline to go by. Since its all opinion based. Whats a good story is very opinoin based and 12 and 13 both had fun battle systems,but again that can be subjective to.

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[QUOTE="SteamedBennet"]

They complained when 12 was too western and non-linear, they complain that 13 is too linear. Fans spend more time complaining than actually playing the games they 'love'. I hope this is not true, shunning a series over one game. I hope these same people didn't do the same thing with the Devil May Cry series.

cloud3601

No one hates Final Fantasy more than Final Fantasy fans.

No crazed FF fans think cause they dont like certain parts the whole studio and series is going down the gutter.

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

They need to do something different but it's hardly time for them to ring the alarm bells of closing. They just need a new strategy. This is one of those times when you fix things because obviously the company's doing something wrong.

hakanakumono

Trying to do something different is partly how they ended up with FFXII and FFXIII, polar opposites of each other, both hated upon release (although for FFXII you don't really see it much anymore).

12 is hated less mainly cause it the old punching bag. Once 13 came out it was fresh meat.

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[QUOTE="robokill"]12 was most definitely your normal ff game as was 10, but 13 was just crap. It's bound to happen, they'll come back strong I'm sure.finalfantasy94

FF11-14 were not normal FF games

thats a terrible guidline to go by. Since its all opinion based. Whats a good story is very opinoin based and 12 and 13 both had fun battle systems,but again that can be subjective to.

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[QUOTE="garland51"]

I completely agree. FF died after X. The only good about FF now are spinoff games, like Dissidia & Type-0.

Grawse

I completley disagree. I really enjoyed what 12 and 13 offered. I both to be very good games.

hu? Im just stating my opinoin. Who says im crying over someone elses opinoin. If this about me saying this in other type of threads put up well then welcome to the forums buddy where things repeat alot.

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[QUOTE="cloud3601"]A normal FF game is one that is epic. Has a good story and strategic battle system.

FF11-14 were not normal FF games

Crossel777

thats a terrible guidline to go by. Since its all opinion based. Whats a good story is very opinoin based and 12 and 13 both had fun battle systems,but again that can be subjective to.

are we really useing sales=quality theory. Im sorry thats a theory I dont stand by

Now why would they go back to the awfully boring turn based system?

el3m2tigre

They need to do something different but it's hardly time for them to ring the alarm bells of closing. They just need a new strategy. This is one of those times when you fix things because obviously the company's doing something wrong.

verbtex

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

They need to do something different but it's hardly time for them to ring the alarm bells of closing. They just need a new strategy. This is one of those times when you fix things because obviously the company's doing something wrong.

cloud3601

thats asking for a miracle, square knows they need to invest in the west why do you think they bought Eidos out pretty sure it was Squares idea to bring DX back aswell as theif.

They are making solid decsions there but FF is suffering from what one would call franchise fatigue and the stubborness for the Japanese wings of Squeenix arent being shifted onto new projects or even IP's which would benefit from sequels like The world is yours.

The best thing to come out of Square recently was Dues Ex:HR. Perhaps they should stop doing JRPG type games and focus on more western type RPG's instead. At least then the games would be interesting.

xYamatox

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The best thing to come out of Square recently was Dues Ex:HR. Perhaps they should stop doing JRPG type games and focus on more western type RPG's instead. At least then the games would be interesting.

cloud3601

Square owns Eidos thus are a part of Square enix, actually Eidos was rebranded Square Enix Europe aswell so bang goes your whole ZOMG square are dying.

So half a million in one week is now a bad thing? of course it did less than Tales of Xillia but half a million is pretty good, give it few more weeks and will hit a million in japan and will be over a million in 2 weeks outside of Japan, nothing to worry about. looking forward to play FFXIII-2

finalstar2007

FF13 was trash. It's obvious that the market is responding everywhere, and the brand name of Final Fantasy has been permanently damaged. What did they think would happen if they released a linear, boring wannabe RPG with annoying characters? Every Final Fantasy game through X was driven by exploration and player choice. Even the "linear" stories were at least designed so you felt like you were in control.

XI was a decent (though grind-tastic) MMO, XII was a departure but one that at least was interesting, XIII was a disaster and XIV is the worst MMO to launch in a long time, it has literally been unplayably bad since launch, and is actually schedule to completley relaunch. Yeah, it's that bad. You know your game is garbage when you *abstain from charging the monthly fee*, not because you want to be free-to-play, but because you literally cannot justify charging the customers because there isn't a functioning game.

Square owns Eidos thus are a part of Square enix, actually Eidos was rebranded Square Enix Europe aswell so bang goes your whole ZOMG square are dying.razgriz_101