Square Enix putting their name on Deus Ex made me almost hurl.

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#1 peanutbudduh
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Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

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This is really paranoid of you.
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#3 Juken7
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Who cares? Square Enix isn't developing it.

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Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

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#5 Ravenlore_basic
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Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

peanutbudduh

Square Enix is a quality company that has great tech to make games. Not only that but they can help with RPG elements to help out. Its Win Win all around. its not like the second game was a huge success.

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#6 peanutbudduh
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[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]

Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

Ravenlore_basic

Square Enix is a quality company that has great tech to make games. Not only that but they can help with RPG elements to help out. Its Win Win all around. its not like the second game was a huge success.

It's not win win at all. All they know are Japanese rpg elements and that crap won't flow with a WESTERN game. They better not touch anything at all.
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#7 KiZZo1
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I don't know their dealings with Eidos, but they are also on Just Cause 2 and that one seems fantastic ...

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#8 AntiType
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Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

peanutbudduh

I don't see how Square Enix on cover will mess up the series more then Deus Ex 2 did...

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#9 glez13
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I don't know their dealings with Eidos, but they are also on Just Cause 2 and that one seems fantastic ...

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Eidos is part of SquareEnix. Didn't they change their name to SquareEnix Europe or something anyways?

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#10 Ibacai
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Shouldn't you be madder about the fact that Ion isn't the one developing this one? Seriously though, I don't see a problem with this as SE could easily add to the project in a positive manner. No need to be upset until SE actually screws up.
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#11 Sky-
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Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

zarshack

Yes, they definitely have a say in what direction the game is going in since they are funding the development of the title.

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#12 glez13
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The real question should be:

Will this game be DeusEx2 or InvisibleWar2?

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#13 110million
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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

Sky-

Yes, they definitely have a say in what direction the game is going in since they are funding the development of the title.

SE has been grabbing western games to publish as part of a recent strategy, but they have had no input on the actual games. What could they possibly say for something like Sup Com 2?
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The real question should be:

Will this game be DeusEx2 or InvisibleWar2?

glez13

Well according to the last IGN article the devs are aiming for it to be similar to Deus Ex 1.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1077019p1.html

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#15 SF_KiLLaMaN
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

The real question should be:

Will this game be DeusEx2 or InvisibleWar2?

jasonharris48

Well according to the last IGN article the devs are aiming for it to be similar to Deus Ex 1.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1077019p1.html

we'll they better be. It's not like 2 was a huge success.
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#16 ShadowriverUB
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Squre Enix is there since they own Eidos, still it's same developers.

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#17 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Sky-"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

110million

Yes, they definitely have a say in what direction the game is going in since they are funding the development of the title.

SE has been grabbing western games to publish as part of a recent strategy, but they have had no input on the actual games. What could they possibly say for something like Sup Com 2?

Bad example. From what I recall, Square did work with the Sup Com team on presentation; cutscenes and story work.
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#18 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]

Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

peanutbudduh

Square Enix is a quality company that has great tech to make games. Not only that but they can help with RPG elements to help out. Its Win Win all around. its not like the second game was a huge success.

It's not win win at all. All they know are Japanese rpg elements and that crap won't flow with a WESTERN game. They better not touch anything at all.

Hello Xenophobia.

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#19 peaceoutmedusa
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Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

zarshack
Ask Activision.
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#20 osan0
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i wouldnt be worried abotu that. its like square with the creative assembly. sega know they have absolkutely no idea how to make a strategy game, let alone a game with the majesty of a total war. so they just hand over money and make sure the coffee flows and all is well. likewise id hazard a guess and say that square know they have absolutely no idea how ot make something like deus ex (nor does anyone else for that matter har har har :P) so id imagine there very hands off with it. they just do what sqaure are good at....doing FMVs (though deus ex should have 0 FMVs..none) and leave the devs to do their thing. its a bit weird seeing those names on those games mind....never though id see the day. but empire was awsome so squares name on DE3 doesnt bother me. also before anyone butts in with "but they made it multiplat"....it was always going to be multiplat.
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#21 110million
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Bad example. From what I recall, Square did work with the Sup Com team on presentation; cutscenes and story work.

Well my main point was supposed to be that its obvious they aren't taking the reins and changing the entire direction of a game, Sup Com 2 while different from the first in a bunch of ways, is not suddenly like a SE trademark title with anime teens and random battles, which the TC seems to be hurt by conceptually, I assume he thinks that SE would change it in some major way, but they clearly would not.
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#22 Sky-
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SE has been grabbing western games to publish as part of a recent strategy, but they have had no input on the actual games. What could they possibly say for something like Sup Com 2?110million

I am not familiar with Sup Com 2, so I can't comment on that. Perhaps I should clarify my post a little bit. Publishers have the option of exercising their power and having a huge impact on how the game turns out. Because they are financing the project, publishers monitor the progress of the title and make critiques and changes as necessary. Whether they choose to use this power to do so or not is an entirely different story.

A recent example of what I suspect to be a publisher putting their foot down is the case with High Voltage Software and it's publisher, Sega. Last year, HvS revealed two titles, Gladiator A.D. and The Grinder (a Left 4 Dead clone). Both titles were Wii-exclusive and judging by the early footage, would easily pass as M-rated titles. Recently, it was revealed that Gladiator A.D. was renamed Tournament of Legends, with a far more colorful and less-realistic artstyle than the original footage (no blood too I might add). A few days ago, The Grinder was announced as a multiplat for the PS3, Wii, and 360. Because they would be competing with other FPS titles on the other consoles, they changed The Grinder to a top-down shooter similar to Gauntlet.

Something you should note is that I do not work in the video game industry, so you should take my words with a grain of salt. I am sure that publishers can influence the outcome of the video game, but I am not entirely certain regarding what extent they can exert that power and how often this practice occurs and whether or not that practice is even desirable in the first place (for both publishers and devs).

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#23 Zero5000X
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I think having square enixs name attached to it might actually help the sales and marketing as I think more people are familiar with them then eidos.
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#24 Animal-Mother
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Funny square enix was one of the batman publishers, ended up pretty fine to me.
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shouldnt matter who does it as long as we get a good quality game as the outcome...
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#26 Senor_Kami
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They'll screw it up as much as they screwed up Arkham Asylum and as much as Capcom screwed up Bionic Commando ReArmed...
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They'll screw it up as much as they screwed up Arkham Asylum and as much as Capcom screwed up Bionic Commando ReArmed...Senor_Kami
How did square screw up batman?>
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#28 JangoWuzHere
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Geez whine whine whine.

SE isn't deveoping the game, so who cares honestly?

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

The real question should be:

Will this game be DeusEx2 or InvisibleWar2?

Well according to the last IGN article the devs are aiming for it to be similar to Deus Ex 1.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1077019p1.html

It looks like the gameplay elements of the first game, with plot elements of the second game........which is great The first game had better gameplay, but Invisible War had a better story.
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Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.
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#31 BioShockOwnz
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While I don't think it'll compare to the first, I think it'll be ******* awesome. Did you watch the 12 minute vid interview on Gamespot?

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#32 rcignoni
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As long as they don't touch it.
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#33 texasgoldrush
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Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.Birdy09
WRPGS > JRPGs.... In fact, maybe Deus Ex will teach SquareEnix how to make a real RPG.
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Doesn't really matter.. Tomb Raider was a shock at first but now ehh..:P

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

The real question should be:

Will this game be DeusEx2 or InvisibleWar2?

texasgoldrush

Well according to the last IGN article the devs are aiming for it to be similar to Deus Ex 1.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1077019p1.html

It looks like the gameplay elements of the first game, with plot elements of the second game........which is great The first game had better gameplay, but Invisible War had a better story.

I haven't gotten around to playing part 2 yet so I can't comment.

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#36 SolidTy
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Deus Ex>>>>Deus Ex 2 : Invisible.

I'm looking forward to DE 3...hope it turns out well.

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Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.Birdy09
Yea I doubt you play WRPGs lol.

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#38 Elian2530
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Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

zarshack
Sadly, yes. Welcome to the corporate world. Publishers are the investors who provide developers with the means to make, x game. If they wanted to pull the plug because they didn't think it would net any profit, they can do so willingly. Unless you're a private developer, like Epic Games, who can fund their own video games.. Sometimes with a little help from Microsoft.. you can do as you please. Epic games were able to do so much with Gears of War because they nearly had full creative freedom. And that's the way it should be, imho.
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#39 BioShockOwnz
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Deus Ex>>>>Deus Ex 2 : Invisible.

I'm looking forward to DE 3...hope it turns out well.

SolidTy

Invisible War was sooo disappointing. I still found it slightly amusing, but man... ugh!

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#40 _Impmacaque_
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Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

peanutbudduh

Your posting history makes it painfully clear that you have a tremendous amout of baseless hatred and bias against all things related to or developed by Square Enix, so I'm going to go ahead and completely disregard your inane ramblings.

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#41 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Deus Ex>>>>Deus Ex 2 : Invisible.

I'm looking forward to DE 3...hope it turns out well.

BioShockOwnz

Invisible War was sooo disappointing. I still found it slightly amusing, but man... ugh!

Yes, they really dumbed it down. I don't know what to make of this new one yet...with Warren gone and making Mickey.

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Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.Birdy09

I can't wait believe after the poor performance of this fading genre this generation, and after the flop that FF13 was, still people are say THIS ?

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.jasonharris48

Yea I doubt you play WRPGs lol.

You gotta admit, Deus Ex wasn't particularly strong in the "characterization" department.

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.Ncsoftlover

I can't wait believe after the poor performance of this fading genre this generation, and after the flop that FF13 was, still people are say THIS ?

FFXIII scored .5 points less than expected because it's so "linearrrr."

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#45 SageJMP
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square-enix obtained eidos almost a year ago and people are just now noticing?

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#46 KristoffBrujah
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Yeah, SquareEnix should have no input whatsoever. Would have welcomed their input 10 years ago, but not today.

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#48 travisstaggs
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[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Yea... this game actually might have some life in its charcters now.... oh wait.... WRPG fans only like lifeless husks.hakanakumono

I can't wait believe after the poor performance of this fading genre this generation, and after the flop that FF13 was, still people are say THIS ?

FFXIII scored .5 points less than expected because it's so "linearrrr."

Also it sold really well so its definitely not a "flop."
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They'll screw it up as much as they screwed up Arkham Asylum and as much as Capcom screwed up Bionic Commando ReArmed...Senor_Kami
.....Square had nothing to do with Arkham Asylum.
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#50 Superbored
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[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Do Publishers usually have imput on game creation?

Sky-

Yes, they definitely have a say in what direction the game is going in since they are funding the development of the title.

Some publishers give more creative freedom to their developers than others. If the publishers feel the game is heading in an unprofitable direction they'll definitely step in.