Square Enix putting their name on Deus Ex made me almost hurl.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Your right, i suppose Miranda losing her childhood friend would be an emotional time, yet all thye could musta was alittle angry face, a cheesey macho "youl pay for that" and attack... and then you speak to her afterwards shes just like every character, an information kiosk that talks in a mundain voice. Fair enough if you like standing there and clicking optional dialogue which in a good majority of the case has no real effect on the game at all as apposed to scripted RP or self-played RP (Morrowind ect) ... but its not for me, I dont like being bored.AdrianWerner

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[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Your right, i suppose Miranda losing her childhood friend would be an emotional time, yet all thye could musta was alittle angry face, a cheesey macho "youl pay for that" and attack... and then you speak to her afterwards shes just like every character, an information kiosk that talks in a mundain voice. Fair enough if you like standing there and clicking optional dialogue which in a good majority of the case has no real effect on the game at all as apposed to scripted RP or self-played RP (Morrowind ect) ... but its not for me, I dont like being bored.Birdy09

[QUOTE="gillri"]

but before KOTOR or Baldurs gate 2, JRPG's were better

particularly in the 2D era

AdrianWerner

im struggling to think of an older WPRG that is even close to Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, FFVI

why do you think reviewers and journalists are so disppointed in JRPG's these days? because of their amazing past quality, they set the bar so high, now JRPG's just arent as good, WRPG's are king now, you can disagree but this is the truth

if you are just a WRPG fan who is just disregarding JRPG's cause you have never liked them then I understand that viewpoint

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]you act like characters in jRPG actualy behave like belivable real humans, please :D

AdrianWerner

Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

peanutbudduh

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[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"] It's not win win at all. All they know are Japanese rpg elements and that crap won't flow with a WESTERN game. They better not touch anything at all.peanutbudduh

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Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

AntiType

I don't see how Square Enix on cover will mess up the series more then Deus Ex 2 did...

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Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

Supabul

So fallout 1 and 2, Diablo(as an arpg)The gold box games, Might and magic series, Dark sun, Ultima 5-7,Wizardry series, Ultima Underworld 1 and 2, AND Baldur's gate don't exist?Daggerfall? Realms of Arkania, Darklands etc. etc. I could go on forever, Have you played all those games? I've played every final fantasy except for 10-2 because that was lame j-pop drivel. Chrono trigger and VI WERE good games, great games. I just don't think they can compete with most of those pc rpgs that I listed above.

Expand your mind man, play some old school pc rpgs, they'll give you a good experience. Trippy stuff.

So fallout 1 and 2, Diablo(as an arpg)The gold box games, Might and magic series, Dark sun, Ultima 5-7,Wizardry series, Ultima Underworld 1 and 2, AND Baldur's gate don't exist?Daggerfall? Realms of Arkania, Darklands etc. etc. I could go on forever, Have you played all those games? I've played every final fantasy except for 10-2 because that was lame j-pop drivel. Chrono trigger and VI WERE good games, great games. I just don't think they can compete with most of those pc rpgs that I listed above.

Expand your mind man, play some old school pc rpgs, they'll give you a good experience. Trippy stuff.

Xuix

im struggling to think of an older WPRG that is even close to Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, FFVI

why do you think reviewers and journalists are so disppointed in JRPG's these days? because of their amazing past quality, they set the bar so high, now JRPG's just arent as good, WRPG's are king now, you can disagree but this is the truth

gillri

Well I dont know then? we clearly find different things fun. I dont find spamming D&D rule sets, pausing the game every 10 seconds and watching diceroll attacks to be strategic, interesting or fun. dont get me wrong, I like the games to some extent... but thier itemization, thier enemies everything about that area of play Bioware has been boring, reptitive and predictable with.Birdy09

just because the combat system and ruleset is too complex for you to have fun with it, doesn't make it boring, repetitive and predictable, especially since jRPGs are all much worse in those areas than games like BG2

Birdy09

if those japanese retards are working on this one then you can expext from them nothing but just ruin the franchise. im already guessing the levels are going to be filled with low-res textures means the environment is going to look very dull because of consoles. and now the japs came to do some final damage so the deus ex serieswill succesfully collapse. (MAYBE)

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Well I dont know then? we clearly find different things fun. I dont find spamming D&D rule sets, pausing the game every 10 seconds and watching diceroll attacks to be strategic, interesting or fun. dont get me wrong, I like the games to some extent... but thier itemization, thier enemies everything about that area of play Bioware has been boring, reptitive and predictable with.AdrianWerner

just because the combat system and ruleset is too complex for you to have fun with it, doesn't make it boring, repetitive and predictable, especially since jRPGs are all much worse in those areas than games like BG2

Horrible company that should have NOTHING to do with the game. Hope they didn't mess anything up.

peanutbudduh

More than M$ with Rare?

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Parasomniac

Ooh, another JRPG Vs. WRPG argument. How original. :roll: I'm just gonna say both have their pros and cons, and if you don't enjoy one of 'em, why bother criticizing it if you're not gonna give it its fair shake? The extreme fanboys on both sides make me sick and are incredibly close-minded, both just closet forms of some hidden xenophobia. And I look forward to Dues Ex 3, I will try it out.