Square Enix Unit Sales Down 74%

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

odin2019

Lost Odyssey = 79% (good) at gamerankings.
Tales of Vesperia = 83% (great) at gamerankings
Eternal Sonata = 80% (great) at gamerankings
Blue Dragon = 78% (good) at gamerankings

There's has been 8 JRPG's released for the 360, which means half of them are at least good.

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

Blackbond

I don't even think its possible to prove anything of what you just said. Merely an opinion unless you can see into the future.

Wow its as though the evidence has appeared right in front of a blind man's face?

The topic of the thread states SE sales down 74% or so. Anyway SE isn't making half as good of games as they used to and thats been many many years ago. Seeing as SE is making a lot of rpgs for 360 I would say most will end up floping due to the most recent releases of floped games put out by SE. PS3 has a couple of exclusive rpgs on the way that look more promising becasue they are not made by SE and Sony seems to know what to look for in an rpg before they decide to try to make the game exclusive such as valkyrie chronicles.

(you actually can't challenge a flag in the NFL but it was still funny and witty none the less)

Blackbond

Well yeah you can (or I'm sure you can challenge some flags), I seen Challenges of Illegal forward pass and Too many men on the field.

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

Yellow_Rose

Lost Odyssey = 79% (good) at gamerankings.
Tales of Vesperia = 83% (great) at gamerankings
Eternal Sonata = 80% (great) at gamerankings
Blue Dragon = 78% (good) at gamerankings

There's has been 8 JRPG's released for the 360, which means half of them are at least good.

Depends on your definition of good. As for me the only game that looks decent out of that bunch is Tales of Vesperia based on the gr scores. And even the Tales score is a bit low for my taste as to what I like an rpg to recieve.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

AgentA-Mi6

I don't even think its possible to prove anything of what you just said. Merely an opinion unless you can see into the future.

The only thing that can be established now is the present. If WKC sells better then every 360 JRPG released to date then it will essentially be a million seller. Here's hoping. This is the time for other companies to rise will Square Enix is done.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"](you actually can't challenge a flag in the NFL but it was still funny and witty none the less)

Chaos_HL21

Well yeah you can (or I'm sure you can challenge some flags), I seen Challenges of Illegal forward pass and Too many men on the field.

Actually you are correct. Certain penatlities can be challenged.

wow, maybe they will start making good games again and actually sell copies. pretty obvious.

MrUn1t

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

odin2019

Lost Odyssey = 79% (good) at gamerankings.
Tales of Vesperia = 83% (great) at gamerankings
Eternal Sonata = 80% (great) at gamerankings
Blue Dragon = 78% (good) at gamerankings

There's has been 8 JRPG's released for the 360, which means half of them are at least good.

Depends on your definition of good. As for me the only game that looks decent out of that bunch is Tales of Vesperia based on the gr scores. And even the Tales score is a bit low for my taste as to what I like an rpg to recieve.

Well if you're going by logic like that then you won't be playing many games at all let alone JRPGs period.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

odin2019

Lost Odyssey = 79% (good) at gamerankings.
Tales of Vesperia = 83% (great) at gamerankings
Eternal Sonata = 80% (great) at gamerankings
Blue Dragon = 78% (good) at gamerankings

There's has been 8 JRPG's released for the 360, which means half of them are at least good.

Depends on your definition of good. As for me the only game that looks decent out of that bunch is Tales of Vesperia based on the gr scores. And even the Tales score is a bit low for my taste as to what I like an rpg to recieve.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Correction JRPGs will sell the best on ps3 for the most obvious reason and that is ps3 will have the best selection to choose from. 360 releases more jrpgs but how many of those jrpgs are good maybe 1 out of every 5 is good.

odin2019

I don't even think its possible to prove anything of what you just said. Merely an opinion unless you can see into the future.

Wow its as though the evidence has appeared right in front of a blind man's face?

The topic of the thread states SE sales down 74% or so. Anyway SE isn't making half as good of games as they used to and thats been many many years ago. Seeing as SE is making a lot of rpgs for 360 I would say most will end up floping due to the most recent releases of floped games put out by SE. PS3 has a couple of exclusive rpgs on the way that look more promising becasue they are not made by SE and Sony seems to know what to look for in an rpg before they decide to try to make the game exclusive such as valkyrie chronicles.

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

You just created a thread on why PS3 owners don't buy PS3 games. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Blackbond

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Lost Odyssey = 79% (good) at gamerankings.
Tales of Vesperia = 83% (great) at gamerankings
Eternal Sonata = 80% (great) at gamerankings
Blue Dragon = 78% (good) at gamerankings

There's has been 8 JRPG's released for the 360, which means half of them are at least good.

Blackbond

Depends on your definition of good. As for me the only game that looks decent out of that bunch is Tales of Vesperia based on the gr scores. And even the Tales score is a bit low for my taste as to what I like an rpg to recieve.

Well if you're going by logic like that then you won't be playing many games at all let alone JRPGs period.

Usually I need a game to get about an 8.5 and even then I'm ify as to whether or not I will really like the game. Another thing I take into consideration though is not just the score but how much interest I have in the game based on what I've seen of video of the game. Usually I prefer games to get a 9.0 or above.

Out of ps3 games the only ones I want right now are MGS4, LBP, Dead Space, Fallout 3, Wipeout HD, and Valkyrie Chronicles.

In the spring the games that interest me are Killzone 2, SF4, RE5, and Bionic Command. Also I have heard there is a good rts game coming out for pc in the spring but I probably don't have the pc reqs for it but it would be worth checking out if I did. Thats pretty much what interest me for the spring now its not in stone but there maybe one or two other games at most that pull my interest to where I might buy it.

I won't play 20 games next year but I will play the best 8 or so next year has to offer which good enough for me.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

You just created a thread on why PS3 owners don't buy PS3 games. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

yoshi_64

blackbond will secretly gather followers and over throw you :P

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I don't even think its possible to prove anything of what you just said. Merely an opinion unless you can see into the future.

Blackbond

Wow its as though the evidence has appeared right in front of a blind man's face?

The topic of the thread states SE sales down 74% or so. Anyway SE isn't making half as good of games as they used to and thats been many many years ago. Seeing as SE is making a lot of rpgs for 360 I would say most will end up floping due to the most recent releases of floped games put out by SE. PS3 has a couple of exclusive rpgs on the way that look more promising becasue they are not made by SE and Sony seems to know what to look for in an rpg before they decide to try to make the game exclusive such as valkyrie chronicles.

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

odin2019

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

You just created a thread on why PS3 owners don't buy PS3 games. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

lawlessx

blackbond will secretly gather followers and over throw you :P

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Wow its as though the evidence has appeared right in front of a blind man's face?

The topic of the thread states SE sales down 74% or so. Anyway SE isn't making half as good of games as they used to and thats been many many years ago. Seeing as SE is making a lot of rpgs for 360 I would say most will end up floping due to the most recent releases of floped games put out by SE. PS3 has a couple of exclusive rpgs on the way that look more promising becasue they are not made by SE and Sony seems to know what to look for in an rpg before they decide to try to make the game exclusive such as valkyrie chronicles.

odin2019

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

thats a nice opinion you got there :wink:

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]Such logic and concepts in one paragraph? That cannot be so! :o Mr. Bear applauds the effort of the great Blackbond. When Mr. Bear decides to rule the world, you shall be his right hand man. yoshi_64

blackbond will secretly gather followers and over throw you :P

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

yoshi_64

The world being round is not a debate its common knowledge. As for jrpgs you can only come up with your own opinion but based on what I've seen Valkyrie Chronicles looks better than any of the jrpgs released thus far for the 360.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Depends on your definition of good. As for me the only game that looks decent out of that bunch is Tales of Vesperia based on the gr scores. And even the Tales score is a bit low for my taste as to what I like an rpg to recieve.

odin2019

Well if you're going by logic like that then you won't be playing many games at all let alone JRPGs period.

Usually I need a game to get about an 8.5 and even then I'm ify as to whether or not I will really like the game. Another thing I take into consideration though is not just the score but how much interest I have in the game based on what I've seen of video of the game. Usually I prefer games to get a 9.0 or above.

Out of ps3 games the only ones I want right now are MGS4, LBP, Dead Space, Fallout 3, Wipeout HD, and Valkyrie Chronicles.

In the spring the games that interest me are Killzone 2, SF4, RE5, and Bionic Command. Also I have heard there is a good rts game coming out for pc in the spring but I probably don't have the pc reqs for it but it would be worth checking out if I did. Thats pretty much what interest me for the spring now its not in stone but there maybe one or two other games at most that pull my interest to where I might buy it.

I won't play 20 games next year but I will play the best 8 or so next year has to offer which good enough for me.

So you say it depends on your definition of good. But you see you don't have a definition of good your definition is other peoples opinions and not even your own. You've missed out on so many good games with that mind set my man.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

blackbond will secretly gather followers and over throw you :P

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Wow its as though the evidence has appeared right in front of a blind man's face?

The topic of the thread states SE sales down 74% or so. Anyway SE isn't making half as good of games as they used to and thats been many many years ago. Seeing as SE is making a lot of rpgs for 360 I would say most will end up floping due to the most recent releases of floped games put out by SE. PS3 has a couple of exclusive rpgs on the way that look more promising becasue they are not made by SE and Sony seems to know what to look for in an rpg before they decide to try to make the game exclusive such as valkyrie chronicles.

odin2019

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

Tales of Vesperia has already outsold Valkyria Chronicles in Japan despite coming out 4 months later. Its been out since April in Japan what do you mean it hasn't been out very long.

Actually you are correct. Certain penatlities can be challenged.

Blackbond

Ok I thought I remember seeing penatilies challenged.

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Blackbond

Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't a JRPG, I know this debate had been went over already. But as a huge fan of SRPGs, Japanese SRPGs are nothing like JRPG. Infact they have more in common with western SRPGs, just different settings, WSRPGs are normally set in a real-world military type and JRPGs are normally a fantasy. But you control a team of characters and during your turn you move your team around, and during the enemies they move their team around. It has a lot more in common than a JRPG like Tales of Vespeira compared to Fable 2.

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Well if you're going by logic like that then you won't be playing many games at all let alone JRPGs period.

Blackbond

Usually I need a game to get about an 8.5 and even then I'm ify as to whether or not I will really like the game. Another thing I take into consideration though is not just the score but how much interest I have in the game based on what I've seen of video of the game. Usually I prefer games to get a 9.0 or above.

Out of ps3 games the only ones I want right now are MGS4, LBP, Dead Space, Fallout 3, Wipeout HD, and Valkyrie Chronicles.

In the spring the games that interest me are Killzone 2, SF4, RE5, and Bionic Command. Also I have heard there is a good rts game coming out for pc in the spring but I probably don't have the pc reqs for it but it would be worth checking out if I did. Thats pretty much what interest me for the spring now its not in stone but there maybe one or two other games at most that pull my interest to where I might buy it.

I won't play 20 games next year but I will play the best 8 or so next year has to offer which good enough for me.

So you say it depends on your definition of good. But you see you don't have a definition of good your definition is other peoples opinions and not even your own. You've missed out on so many good games with that mind set my man.

I don't have that kind of money to buy 20 games a year nor do I have that kind of time. I could try gamefly but I like owning games and I'm content with my style of gaming.

Oh and I do have an opinion about games and I have the perfect example for you since you happen to bring it up. GTA4 was supposed to be an easy 10 out of 10 for most gamers at best for me its a 7.5 and I walked away disappointed big time because that was supposed to be the game.

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Blackbond

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

Tales of Vesperia has already outsold Valkyria Chronicles in Japan despite coming out 4 months later. Its been out since April in Japan what do you mean it hasn't been out very long.

I was referring to the US when I said it has not been out very long since I live in the US. I'm not as quite up to date about whats being released when and where but more concerned about what is going on where I live. Tales may sell better but it doesn't appear to be the better game. When you look at gamerankings tales comes out to 83% and VC comes to 87%. However, all the other jrpg games that come out when you look at the rankings and console rpgs for the 360 it list 5 games none of which happen to avg 80% some reason Tales didn't pop up on that list.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Actually you are correct. Certain penatlities can be challenged.

Chaos_HL21

Ok I thought I remember seeing penatilies challenged.

Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Blackbond

Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't a JRPG, I know this debate had been went over already. But as a huge fan of SRPGs, Japanese SRPGs are nothing like JRPG. Infact they have more in common with western SRPGs, just different settings, WSRPGs are normally set in a real-world military type and JRPGs are normally a fantasy. But you control a team of characters and during your turn you move your team around, and during the enemies they move their team around. It has a lot more in common than a JRPG like Tales of Vespeira compared to Fable 2.

Last I checked Valkyria Chronicles was a Strategy RPG. A strategy RPG created in Japan. Oh wait that means its Japanese and an RPG meaning that yes man its a Japanese RPG. Any RPG created by Japanese is a Japanese RPG. Japanese Strategy RPGS are still Japanese RPGS.

The only way for your logic to work is if Valkyria Chronicles isn't an RPG at all and if thats the case then you wouldn't even have an arguement to begin with now would you?

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

odin2019

The world being round is not a debate its common knowledge. As for jrpgs you can only come up with your own opinion but based on what I've seen Valkyrie Chronicles looks better than any of the jrpgs released thus far for the 360.

I was referring to the US when I said it has not been out very long since I live in the US. I'm not as quite up to date about whats being released when and where but more concerned about what is going on where I live. Tales may sell better but it doesn't appear to be the better game. When you look at gamerankings tales doesn't even avg 80 but Valkyrie Chronicles avg 87. odin2019

Well when you look at Gamerankings Halo 3 93.4, MGS 4 92.5. If Valkyria Chronicles is better than ToV then Halo 3 > MGS4.

I have both ToV and VC, love both. But not really sure what is better, they are two different games. The Strategy-RPGer of me is going for VC, and the more actiony-RPGer of me is pulling for ToV.

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]:o That hax! I will make sure to closely monitor him now... *strokes Mr. Bear's sexy chin* hmm... Verge_6

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

odin2019

Tales of Vesperia has already outsold Valkyria Chronicles in Japan despite coming out 4 months later. Its been out since April in Japan what do you mean it hasn't been out very long.

I was referring to the US when I said it has not been out very long since I live in the US. I'm not as quite up to date about whats being released when and where but more concerned about what is going on where I live. Tales may sell better but it doesn't appear to be the better game. When you look at gamerankings tales doesn't even avg 80 but Valkyrie Chronicles avg 87.

Don't know what you're talking about but Tales of Vesperia says 83% on my browser which is an average over 80%.

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Tales of Vesperia has already outsold Valkyria Chronicles in Japan despite coming out 4 months later. Its been out since April in Japan what do you mean it hasn't been out very long.

Blackbond

I was referring to the US when I said it has not been out very long since I live in the US. I'm not as quite up to date about whats being released when and where but more concerned about what is going on where I live. Tales may sell better but it doesn't appear to be the better game. When you look at gamerankings tales doesn't even avg 80 but Valkyrie Chronicles avg 87.

Don't know what you're talking about but Tales of Vesperia says 83% on my browser which is an average over 80%.

Recheck post its been changed. There is an explanation for that.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"] Why must you creep me out so? T_Tyoshi_64

just give me my own country and i will be all set 8)

Last I checked Valkyria Chronicles was a Strategy RPG. A strategy RPG created in Japan. Oh wait that means its Japanese and an RPG meaning that yes man its a Japanese RPG. Any RPG created by Japanese is a Japanese RPG. Japanese Strategy RPGS are still Japanese RPGS.

The only way for your logic to work is if Valkyria Chronicles isn't an RPG at all and if thats the case then you wouldn't even have an arguement to begin with now would you?

Blackbond

Yeah it is a SRPG created in Japan. But I think we shouldn't drop the strategy part of the SRPG, because alot of hardcore RPG fans Hate SRPG. Some fans of SRPGs hate normal RPGs. What I'm saying is for SRPGs it doesn't really matter where it was made, the gameplay parts are very similar.

VC is a RPG, but it isn't like JRPGs. It has more in common with WSRPGs than JRPGs.

I may be alittle bias toward SRPGs, because I love them and would like to see them apart from JRPGs.

White Knight Chronicles is Being Hyped in japan and thats factual, according to Famitsu its in the top ten christmas wishlist.AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Last I checked Valkyria Chronicles was a Strategy RPG. A strategy RPG created in Japan. Oh wait that means its Japanese and an RPG meaning that yes man its a Japanese RPG. Any RPG created by Japanese is a Japanese RPG. Japanese Strategy RPGS are still Japanese RPGS.

The only way for your logic to work is if Valkyria Chronicles isn't an RPG at all and if thats the case then you wouldn't even have an arguement to begin with now would you?

Chaos_HL21

Yeah it is a SRPG created in Japan. But I think we shouldn't drop the strategy part of the SRPG, because alot of hardcore RPG fans Hate SRPG. Some fans of SRPGs hate normal RPGs. What I'm saying is for SRPGs it doesn't really matter where it was made, the gameplay parts are very similar.

VC is a RPG, but it isn't like JRPGs. It has more in common with WSRPGs than JRPGs.

I may be alittle bias toward SRPGs, because I love them and would like to see them apart from JRPGs.

But doing that discredits the Japanese devs who created these games. If they are made by Japanese then they are Japanese RPGs no matter what sub catagory they fall into.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Last I checked Valkyria Chronicles was a Strategy RPG. A strategy RPG created in Japan. Oh wait that means its Japanese and an RPG meaning that yes man its a Japanese RPG. Any RPG created by Japanese is a Japanese RPG. Japanese Strategy RPGS are still Japanese RPGS.

The only way for your logic to work is if Valkyria Chronicles isn't an RPG at all and if thats the case then you wouldn't even have an arguement to begin with now would you?

Blackbond

Yeah it is a SRPG created in Japan. But I think we shouldn't drop the strategy part of the SRPG, because alot of hardcore RPG fans Hate SRPG. Some fans of SRPGs hate normal RPGs. What I'm saying is for SRPGs it doesn't really matter where it was made, the gameplay parts are very similar.

VC is a RPG, but it isn't like JRPGs. It has more in common with WSRPGs than JRPGs.

I may be alittle bias toward SRPGs, because I love them and would like to see them apart from JRPGs.

But doing that discredits the Japanese devs who created these games. If they are made by Japanese then they are Japanese RPGs no matter what sub catagory they fall into.

Well I wouldn't say discredit the Japanese devs, some compnay such as Nippion Ichi you could see that they come from Japan. But also the devs seem to call them SRPG, on the back of the Disgaea 1 box, it said "Strategy RPGs is about to get a major kick in the butt*" (they didn't use butt). On the Disgaea 2 box it called it a SRPG. No Spectral Force 3 it said it the 360's first SRPG.

Also why do we call RPGs like Mass Effect and Fable Western RPGs. That discredits England, America, and Canada, althought Canada is kinda like America Jr. :P

[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"] How is it Squares fault? Their business has always been DS centred so what you talking about, TWO games have ruined everything for them? IU is a Microsoft owned, tri-Ace developed game that SE published. TLR is a FRIGGIN multiplat, seriously what dont fanboys get this?Yellow_Rose

Hey! Is TLR even out on the PS3 right now? Didn't think so. We can't tell how well that will do until it's out for at least a couple of months, but judging on how Bad it is I doubt it will do well at all, on any console. However IU was decent, and it didn't even break 100,000.

Also I am not a "fanboy" I would even own a 360 by now if I wasn't afraid of getting the RRoD. But face facts, JRPG's would sell more on the PS3 and everyone knows it, lemmings included even though they won't admit it. But it's true, guaranteed if White Knight Chronicles gets the same score as IU it will sell hundreds of thousands in Japan.

Explain why Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia (360) has sold more than Valkria Chronicles (PS3) in Japan.

If this keeps up maybe Square Enix will start putting out good games like the past and maybe they will stop with this endless spinoff, remake, port crap. Look at your sales SE and realize the Spinoff, Remake, Port crap isn't going to work. Blackbond

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

Well it is the best exclusive rpg available for ps3 at the moment and has not been out very long. Maybe sales will pick up over time with price drops but there is quite a bit of competition in general in the game business at the moment. I think its pretty safe to say that it is a better jrpg than just about every jrpg released on the 360.

yoshi_64

Well now lets think about this. We're on System Wars so we use Gamespot rankings as "the truth" when it comes to quality games. Gamespot gave both Valkyria Chronicles (the highest rated PS3 SJRPG) and Vesperia (360s highest rated jrpg) 85%. So we can't determine via that what is the best one rankings wise.

However, if you go to metacritic or gamerankings, Valkyria has the highest aggregate score by 4 full points.

So yes, it's true we don't use those two sites BUT, when two games of the same genre are tied here, I don't see why that couldn't be used as the tie breaker.

I realize it's not, I'm simply stating I don't see why it couldn't be.

...but, according to SW rules, at this time, the 360s best jrpg and the PS3s best sjrpg are tied, and according to rules, equally good.

Well now lets think about this. We're on System Wars so we use Gamespot rankings as "the truth" when it comes to quality games.

Xalaten

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Ok I thought I remember seeing penatilies challenged.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Yeah and look how much Valkyria Chronicles sold. Such compelling evidence indeed.....

. Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't even outselling 360 JRPGs in Japan man. Sony sure knows what to look for in an RPG before they decide to make the game exclusive alright......

Blackbond

Well Valkyria Chronicles isn't a JRPG, I know this debate had been went over already. But as a huge fan of SRPGs, Japanese SRPGs are nothing like JRPG. Infact they have more in common with western SRPGs, just different settings, WSRPGs are normally set in a real-world military type and JRPGs are normally a fantasy. But you control a team of characters and during your turn you move your team around, and during the enemies they move their team around. It has a lot more in common than a JRPG like Tales of Vespeira compared to Fable 2.

Last I checked Valkyria Chronicles was a Strategy RPG. A strategy RPG created in Japan. Oh wait that means its Japanese and an RPG meaning that yes man its a Japanese RPG. Any RPG created by Japanese is a Japanese RPG. Japanese Strategy RPGS are still Japanese RPGS.

The only way for your logic to work is if Valkyria Chronicles isn't an RPG at all and if thats the case then you wouldn't even have an arguement to begin with now would you?

It's a different genre.

third person shooters and first person shooters are both shooters but they are different types of games in the same way that sjrpgs and jrpgs are both jrpgs but they're different in the way they play.

That's why fans of the genre will add the "s" in front of jrpg to differentiate the game play style. As a matter of fact they are so totally different in the way they play that quite often fans of one will loathe the other.

I think that's what he was getting at and what I wa sgetting at before. You are looking at the topic too narrowly when there are nuances to it.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]White Knight Chronicles is Being Hyped in japan and thats factual, according to Famitsu its in the top ten christmas wishlist.too_much_eslim

I agree with you. BD was so average it wasn't even funny. It wasn't a bad game by any means, it was just SO average. Every character was cliche. The combat was average. The story was average. Even the music and voice work was average. It sold becuase of the names behind the game at Mistwalker.

So I pray WKC sells better and IS better or I'll be terribly let down.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

Well now lets think about this. We're on System Wars so we use Gamespot rankings as "the truth" when it comes to quality games.

Jandurin

Ummm, what? That's a confusing statement if I've ever heard one . What does a score determine other than "how good a game is"?

Look we've had this debate before a hundred times, especially when Resistance 2 and GoW 2 scored the same. That is the way things are done around here. You score the same, you're equally good. It's in the faq and it has always been this way.

Do I think the original Halo is better than almost every game reviewed here? NO. According to SW though, it is.

Ummm, what? That's a confusing statement if I've ever heard one . What does a score determine other than "how good a game is"?

Look we've had this debate before a hundred times, especially when Resistance 2 and GoW 2 scored the same. That is the way things are done around here. You score the same, you're equally good. It's in the faq and it has always been this way.

Do I think the original Halo is better than almost every game reviewed here? NO. According to SW though, it is.

nintendo should just breech the licencee contract and forbid them to publish anything on a nintendo console..

that way SE would be dead and nintendo would be one step towards the completion of their japanese domination plan