Square Enix Unit Sales Down 74%

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="oTHE_FLOPo"]

 

still mad the 360 has more JRPG's(and selling) than the PS3?;)

too_much_eslim

I'm personally not, I just don't like Square doing what they did to the PS3 for money.  Again, I owned both consoles so ultimately I don't care which they come out on, but it's principle for me.

I bought Blue Dragon (didn't finish it, but it was still OK) Lost Odyssey (which I thought was very good) and Eternal Sonata for the 360 but I did so because they didn't come out on the PS3.

I prefer using my 360 for shooters and games like PGR.  I prefer using my PS3 for rpgs and adventure games like Uncharted.

I'm truly not a PS3 fanboy even if I sound like one sometimes.  If anything I'm mad at Square, not Microsoft.  Square should release to BOTH consoles, not just the 350 because that is a slap in the face to many of the people who supported them for so long.

I prefer the controller for jrpgs.  The only games I prefer the 360 controller with is shooters and (sorry Sony) racers.  Gran Turismo is still my favorite raver but darn it Sony, the TRIGGERS should be used for accelerating and breaking, not the buttons.  Get into the 21st century!

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

 

Be a good boy and tell me what does JRPG stand for. Because obviously you think the "J" stands for something other than Japanese, as in from Japan, which the so-called "SRPG's" we're referring to are made.

Yellow_Rose

A strategy game developed by the Japanese in a japanese style is called an SJRPG. Yes, it's a JRPG but it has the S in front of it because it's a niche within a niche. When most people say JRPG they think of Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior, not Final Fantasy Tactics and Valkyra Chronicles.

If I really need to go get sales numbers I will, just tell me, but I'm sure even you won't disagree that traditional JRPGS sell more than SJRPGs.

There's no such thing as an SJRPG (something you made up). You know why? because technically, there's no such thing as JRPG. Just like there's no such thing as J-Shooters, J-sports, J-Survival horror, or J-Action. The term "JRPG" is something that was made up in gaming forums.

So there's no such thing as lemmings, hermits or cows, either.

As a matter of fact, there's no such thing as language.  After all, humans made up words and over time they have become accepted to mean things.  

Oh wait...just like jrpg.  

Never mind!

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

I won't link the dreaded Wiki but do a search for JRPG definition and you'll get it. SJRPG is a subset of the JRPG but not traditional. JRPGs have certain things in them and SJRPGS do not sell as well as JRPGS. This has been proven time and time again. Both are niche genres but the SJRPG is a niche within a niche.

 

I'm not making excuses, I'm stating logic.

 

The ONLY thing I will take back is the 100% part. It's not even 100% certain that the sun will come up tomorrow so I should not have used that statement or wording. Everything else I stand by. If you want to have a rational debate we can, but disregarding the past and what we know of JRPGs is not going to get us to agree on anything.

 

Blackbond

Oh wow using Wiki. Regardless as you said SJRPGS ares till JRPGs. Any RPG made in Japan is a JRPG. Speaking of a rational debate. If you want one then reply to my first post which quoted you. The first one which highlighted your points. Everything is color coded to make it easy for you. 

I already did.  I'm done with you.  You have proven you can't have a rational debate without being condescending and passive-aggressive.  

 

I already did. I'm done with you. You have proven you can't have a rational debate without being condescending and passive-aggressive.

Xalaten

Yes you so thoroughly replied to my post. So throroughly infact that you didn't provide one link or any kind of evidence to back up or support any one of your many opinions that you believed to be 100% irrefutable.

I can't have a rational debate? Well thats just freaking hilarious coming from a guy who claimed that 100% of the opinions he posted were irrefutable evidence. If you want to learn what debate is then I suggest you realize that you aren't going to go far with opinions and false facts alone. Especially when you don't put any effort into backing them up.

So you can be done with me all you want. I've asked you multiple times to show your proof and all you've said was

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

Xalaten

So know you're not done with me. I'm done with you. You want to come into a debate and tell others to look up your sources and evidence for you? Get real man its already wrap city.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

I already did. I'm done with you. You have proven you can't have a rational debate without being condescending and passive-aggressive.

Blackbond

Yes you so thoroughly replied to my post. So throroughly infact that you didn't provide one link or any kind of evidence to back up or support any one of your many opinions that you believed to be 100% irrefutable.

I can't have a rational debate? Well thats just freaking hilarious coming from a guy who claimed that 100% of the opinions he posted were irrefutable evidence. If you want to learn what debate is then I suggest you realize that you aren't going to go far with opinions and false facts alone. Especially when you don't put any effort into backing them up.

So you can be done with me all you want. I've asked you multiple times to show your proof and all you've said was

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

Xalaten

So know you're not done with me. I'm done with you. You want to come into a debate and tell others to look up your sources and evidence for you? Get real man its already wrap city.

I gotta admit that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.  "you're done with me?!?!  No I'm done with you!".

I had to respond to that.  It cracked me up too much.  By the way, I said I was wrong about 100% and said it was a bad choice of words yet you used it twice in this response.

What a joke.  Totally misjudged you.

So know you're not done with me. I'm done with you. Get real man its already wrap city.

Blackbond

lmao, is this the 80's?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

So know you're not done with me. I'm done with you. Get real man its already wrap city.

0bscurity

lmao, is this the 80's?

I dunno, I still have Eddie Rabbitg and Styx on 8 track.  No wait, that's the 70s.

 

So know you're not done with me. I'm done with you. You want to come into a debate and tell others to look up your sources and evidence for you? Get real man its already wrap city.

 

Blackbond

 

I gotta admit that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. "you're done with me?!?! No I'm done with you!".

 

I had to respond to that. It cracked me up too much. By the way, I said I was wrong about 100% and said it was a bad choice of words yet you used it twice in this response.

 

What a joke. Totally misjudged you.

Xalaten

Yeah and here you are still not proving even one of your points what a suprise right? Common knowledge within the gaming community oh yeah lol. Just let me know when you decide to back up your claims if you ever decide to. I

What a joke you misjudged me? Sorry many I don't discriminate I'm still the poster, its just too bad you ended up on the opposite side of me. Now prove your points and provide your evidence. You've been ducking and dancing the whole time.

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question. Please don't be angry.

 

1. The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off. The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the
2. PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.
3. On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg,

so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

 

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Xalaten

These are the three claims that you originally made in your first post. Now lets see if you can actually prove on what you're saying. Sure you're giving me and Verge some nice entertainment but I'm thinking it would be more entertaining seeing you try to back your claims.

*And people Wrap City isn't from the 80's its a Pun from the former BET Show Rap City*

It's because they betrayed the long tradition of being PS exclusive..

It's because they betrayed the long tradition of being PS exclusive..

OoItsJohn

Its because they betrayed the long tradition of being Nintendo exclusive. 

It's because they betrayed the long tradition of being PS exclusive..

OoItsJohn

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

 

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

I gotta admit that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. "you're done with me?!?! No I'm done with you!".

 

I had to respond to that. It cracked me up too much. By the way, I said I was wrong about 100% and said it was a bad choice of words yet you used it twice in this response.

 

What a joke. Totally misjudged you.

Blackbond

Yeah and here you are still not proving even one of your points what a suprise right? Common knowledge within the gaming community oh yeah lol. Just let me know when you decide to back up your claims if you ever decide to. I

What a joke you misjudged me? Sorry many I don't discriminate I'm still the poster, its just too bad you ended up on the opposite side of me. Now prove your points and provide your evidence. You've been ducking and dancing the whole time.

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question. Please don't be angry.

 

1. The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off. The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the
2. PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.
3. On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg,

so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

 

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Xalaten

These are the three claims that you originally made in your first post. Now lets see if you can actually prove on what you're saying. Sure you're giving me and Verge some nice entertainment but I'm thinking it would be more entertaining seeing you try to back your claims.

*And people Wrap City isn't from the 80's its a Pun from the former BET Show Rap City*

The first question cannot be proven.  Well the first part can and I provided a link.  It's the Nielsen link a few pages back.  The rest was hyperbole because I hate the typical foul mouthed brats on Xbox live.

The second cannot be proven either.  You keep asking for proof to thinks that can't be proven with written facts.  It's called logic.  Sony platforms have always sold a ton of rpgs, Microsoft platforms have not.  Logic dictates this would continue with future consoles.  How can you argue that?  Are you saying all of a sudden Sony gamers are going to give up on rpgs and microsoft gamers are going to suddenly fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox and haven't sold that well except for a couple on the 360?

Finally, I will take back what I said since you're such a stickler for the Wii.  OK, PS3 isn't king in Japan, Wii is.  Happy now?  PS3 is more popular in Japan than the 360.  This is proven by sales numbers.  Also, are you truly going to argue with me that rpgs are not the favorite genre in Japan?  I can't prove that either but EVERYONE knows it.  The only people who don't know it are trolls on internet message boards who want to get in a shouting match to prove who has the bigger epeen.

There are plenty of things that can't be proven with numbers or letters but are generally accepted by the populace at large.  I can't prove most southerners like NASCAR but you know what?  I'm pretty sure they do.

Good Square-Enix need to learn. Lacklusterness doesn't sell.. In some cases. Well... Wish I could say the same for Nintendo but they've some how gotten by making money selling crap.

Dahaka-UK

[QUOTE="OoItsJohn"]

It's because they betrayed the long tradition of being PS exclusive..

Lionheart08

1. The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, Shooting things and watching people's head's come off.
2. The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statisically and since many PS2 fanbois support the
3. PS3 is has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher then the 360's fanbase

 

Xalaten

These are the three claims that you originally made in your first post. Now lets see if you can actually prove on what you're saying. Sure you're giving me and Verge some nice entertainment but I'm thinking it would be more entertaining seeing you try to back your claims.

*And people Wrap City isn't from the 80's its a Pun from the former BET Show Rap City*

 

Blackbond

The first question cannot be proven. Well the first part can and I provided a link. It's the Nielsen link a few pages back. The rest was hyperbole because I hate the typical foul mouthed brats on Xbox live.

 

The second cannot be proven either.You keep asking for proof to thinks that can't be proven with written facts. It's called logic. Sony platforms have always sold a ton of rpgs, Microsoft platforms have not. Logic dictates this would continue with future consoles. How can you argue that? Are you saying all of a sudden Sony gamers are going to give up on rpgs and microsoft gamers are going to suddenly fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox and haven't sold that well except for a couple on the 360?

 

Finally, I will take back what I said since you're such a stickler for the Wii. OK, PS3 isn't king in Japan, Wii is. Happy now? PS3 is more popular in Japan than the 360. This is proven by sales numbers. Also, are you truly going to argue with me that rpgs are not the favorite genre in Japan? I can't prove that either but EVERYONE knows it.The only people who don't know it are trolls on internet message boards who want to get in a shouting match to prove who has the bigger epeen.

 

There are plenty of things that can't be proven with numbers or letters but are generally accepted by the populace at large. I can't prove most southerners like NASCAR but you know what? I'm pretty sure they do.

Xalaten

And to think it took this long to get down to this. Its what I said from the beginging. You can't prove a thing. Its exactly why I laughed when you original said that its 100% irrefutable facts.

• I don't care if you hate typical foul mouth brats on XBL.
• You think I'm a stickler for the Wii? Well that doesn't matter either fact is the Wii is king of Japan not PS3.

Those statements don't do anything.

I keep asking for things that can't be proven with facts? Well then maybe you shouldn't have said in the begining that they are 100% irrefutable facts :roll:

You call it logic. Claiming thatSony platforms have always sold a ton ofrpgs, Microsoft platforms have not. Yeah and you should have realized that times have changed and this isn't the PS1, PS2, or Xbox days. This is a new generation where RPGSlike Fable II, Oblivion, Fallout 3, andMass Effect have all sold 1 million +. WhereRPGSsuch as Blue Dragonand Lost Oddesseyhave sold 500,000+. Likewise only one multiplatformRPGhas sold better on the PS3 and that is Enchanted arms.

*Guesstimates*

So yeah its logic called logic. Sony platforms have always sold a ton of RPGs, Microsoft platforms have not. In other words stop living in the past this is now.

And then here you go saying

"Logic dictates this would continue with future consoles. How can you argue that? Are you saying all of a sudden Sony gamers are going to give up on rpgs and microsoft gamers are going to suddenly fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox and haven't sold that well except for a couple on the 360?"

Xalaten

Yeah and logic also dicated that the N64 should have crushed the PS1 right and guess what happened? How can I argue that? Well lets see look at the software sales man or RPGS in general. They are selling better on the 360. Am I saying that all of a sudden Sony games are going to give up on RPGS no I'm not. Am I going to say that MS gamers are going to fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox? Well probably yes. Look at the sales of Rpgsman. There are already million sellers on it, 2 Japanese ones that have exceeded half a million, not to mention they are finding more success in Japan on 360 then the PS3.

If you can't prove it then why bother making the claim? There isn't a bunch of JRPGS continuously topping the japanese sales charts its a ton of those quircky Japanese games Wii/DS games and Nintendo games.

You know I'm not even suprised. Typical and predictable.

[QUOTE="OoItsJohn"]

It's because they betrayed the long tradition of being PS exclusive..

Lionheart08

Black Bond Enchanted arms sold better on teh PS3? that is quite shocking considering the game was technically a lot worse then teh 360 version. Also thought it sold even less in japan on the PS3.too_much_eslim

man i post before class and start all this jargin it was funny getting home and seeing this thread still up on page one with 122 unread

well black bond and several others already disproved the disprovable

Square Enix seriously needs to step up their game this gen. The FFXIII games better be epic.Storm_Marine

[QUOTE="hayato_"] A port, some SJRPGs, and a action/RPG hybrid.st1ka

oh and eternal sonata on the 360 has had little or no bearing on the PS3's port sales

karma.

u screw over ur fans when u announced FFXIII for the 360 after claiming it exclusive to the ps3 COUNTLESS TIMES and now ur fans has abandon ship.

yeah, karma's a glitch. 

And here I thought a JRPG was a style of RPG where instead of just running around in first person you controlled a team and when you came battles a battle screen appeared where your party took turns hitting one another. Perhaps we should rename JRPGs because it appears none of you know what you're talking about.BumFluff122

You thought wrong.

A JRPG is simply a RPG of Japanese Origin. 

karma.

u screw over ur fans when u announced FFXIII for the 360 after claiming it exclusive to the ps3 COUNTLESS TIMES and now ur fans has abandon ship.

yeah, karma's a glitch. 

muffintheduffin

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And here I thought a JRPG was a style of RPG where instead of just running around in first person you controlled a team and when you came battles a battle screen appeared where your party took turns hitting one another. Perhaps we should rename JRPGs because it appears none of you know what you're talking about.Blackbond

You thought wrong.

A JRPG is simply a RPG of Japanese Origin. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And here I thought a JRPG was a style of RPG where instead of just running around in first person you controlled a team and when you came battles a battle screen appeared where your party took turns hitting one another. Perhaps we should rename JRPGs because it appears none of you know what you're talking about.BumFluff122

You thought wrong.

A JRPG is simply a RPG of Japanese Origin.

Show examples of those cases because quite honestly its always been the Japanese RPG and the Western RPG. Do you really think the Japanese call their RPGs JRPGS? No they just call them RPGS. 

Why? Because some people like JRPGS better. Bethesda and Bioware or Square Enix, Altus, Mistwalker. Its all about who you like.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

 

You thought wrong.

A JRPG is simply a RPG of Japanese Origin.

Blackbond

Show examples of those cases because quite honestly its always been the Japanese RPG and the Western RPG. Do you really think the Japanese call their RPGs JRPGS? No they just call them RPGS. 

Why? Because some people like JRPGS better. Bethesda and Bioware or Square Enix, Altus, Mistwalker. Its all about who you like.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]So then we have WRPGs and JRPGs. If an RPG is made in China what is it called? A CRPG? What of one made in Saudi Arabia? Do we call that an SARPG? Neither of them are Japan and neither of them have a Western lifestyle. There is a sharp devide between those turn based RPGs and those first person RPGs. One person really likes one while completely hating the other and vice versa. If a JRPG is merely an RPG made in Japan why on Earth do people speak so highly of JRPGs and think so lowly of WRPGs. There are numerous types of gameplay types associated with each one.BumFluff122

Show examples of those cases because quite honestly its always been the Japanese RPG and the Western RPG. Do you really think the Japanese call their RPGs JRPGS? No they just call them RPGS.

Why? Because some people like JRPGS better. Bethesda and Bioware or Square Enix, Altus, Mistwalker. Its all about who you like.

No I don't mean search the forums to find a thread I mean are there examples of a Chinese RPG and a Saudi Arabian RPG. All the games both Western and Japanese are both RPGs. The W and J are only used to show the games point of origin. I mean Gamespot doesn't even define an RPG by Japanese or Western. Its just Role Playing, Strategy Role Playing, MMO Role Playing ect.

How can it be silly to say someone likes JRPGs more then the alternativie. They both can offer the same exact core gameplay but the fact is that they don't. There is a huge difference from a Fable, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout 3 compared to say a Tales of Vesperia, Final Fantasy, or TWEWY.

Its just a matter of Orgin when the W or J is added.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

The first question cannot be proven. Well the first part can and I provided a link. It's the Nielsen link a few pages back. The rest was hyperbole because I hate the typical foul mouthed brats on Xbox live.

 

The second cannot be proven either.You keep asking for proof to thinks that can't be proven with written facts. It's called logic. Sony platforms have always sold a ton of rpgs, Microsoft platforms have not. Logic dictates this would continue with future consoles. How can you argue that? Are you saying all of a sudden Sony gamers are going to give up on rpgs and microsoft gamers are going to suddenly fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox and haven't sold that well except for a couple on the 360?

 

Finally, I will take back what I said since you're such a stickler for the Wii. OK, PS3 isn't king in Japan, Wii is. Happy now? PS3 is more popular in Japan than the 360. This is proven by sales numbers. Also, are you truly going to argue with me that rpgs are not the favorite genre in Japan? I can't prove that either but EVERYONE knows it.The only people who don't know it are trolls on internet message boards who want to get in a shouting match to prove who has the bigger epeen.

 

There are plenty of things that can't be proven with numbers or letters but are generally accepted by the populace at large. I can't prove most southerners like NASCAR but you know what? I'm pretty sure they do.

Blackbond

And to think it took this long to get down to this. Its what I said from the beginging. You can't prove a thing. Its exactly why I laughed when you original said that its 100% irrefutable facts.

• I don't care if you hate typical foul mouth brats on XBL.
• You think I'm a stickler for the Wii? Well that doesn't matter either fact is the Wii is king of Japan not PS3.

Those statements don't do anything.

I keep asking for things that can't be proven with facts? Well then maybe you shouldn't have said in the begining that they are 100% irrefutable facts :roll:

You call it logic. Claiming thatSony platforms have always sold a ton ofrpgs, Microsoft platforms have not. Yeah and you should have realized that times have changed and this isn't the PS1, PS2, or Xbox days. This is a new generation where RPGSlike Fable II, Oblivion, Fallout 3, andMass Effect have all sold 1 million +. WhereRPGSsuch as Blue Dragonand Lost Oddesseyhave sold 500,000+. Likewise only one multiplatformRPGhas sold better on the PS3 and that is Enchanted arms.

*Guesstimates*

So yeah its logic called logic. Sony platforms have always sold a ton of RPGs, Microsoft platforms have not. In other words stop living in the past this is now.

And then here you go saying

"Logic dictates this would continue with future consoles. How can you argue that? Are you saying all of a sudden Sony gamers are going to give up on rpgs and microsoft gamers are going to suddenly fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox and haven't sold that well except for a couple on the 360?"

Xalaten

Yeah and logic also dicated that the N64 should have crushed the PS1 right and guess what happened? How can I argue that? Well lets see look at the software sales man or RPGS in general. They are selling better on the 360. Am I saying that all of a sudden Sony games are going to give up on RPGS no I'm not. Am I going to say that MS gamers are going to fall in love with rpgs even though they had almost none on the original xbox? Well probably yes. Look at the sales of Rpgsman. There are already million sellers on it, 2 Japanese ones that have exceeded half a million, not to mention they are finding more success in Japan on 360 then the PS3.

If you can't prove it then why bother making the claim? There isn't a bunch of JRPGS continuously topping the japanese sales charts its a ton of those quircky Japanese games Wii/DS games and Nintendo games.

You know I'm not even suprised. Typical and predictable.

You pretty much said it yourself with all these "rpgs" that sell well on the 360.  Every single one of those four is a pseudo rpg.  Fallout and Oblivion are first person rpgs with fps type combat.  Mass Effect was a third person rpg with shird person shooter combat.  Fable 2 can just barely call itself an rpg.

We'll see what happens, as I said, when WKC comes out.  It will be the first old school jrpg to show up on the PS3.  American RPGS, which is what those four rpgs you mentioned are on the 360, are a fairly new genre that Elder Scrolls created within the rpg universe.

You take this stuff entirely too seriously btw.  20k plus post count?  My God man, please step AWAY from the keyboard.  

It's silly, to me anyways, becausepeople usually buy games because of the type of gameplay it offers, not because of the area of the world it came from. If Square-Enix made an RPG that played completely different from Final Fantasy or other games of that type and more like Mass Effect and you hated the game would you still say you enjoyed JRPGs the best? If you did you would be lying. What you would mean is you enjoyed turn based RPGs the best.

Edit: Sorry I can't link the link because it says HTML not well formed. (This is the third time I've tried it and I ended up having to reload the page. *Shakes fist at Gamespot*)

www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,25/section,181/

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And here I thought a JRPG was a style of RPG where instead of just running around in first person you controlled a team and when you came battles a battle screen appeared where your party took turns hitting one another. Perhaps we should rename JRPGs because it appears none of you know what you're talking about.Blackbond

You thought wrong.

A JRPG is simply a RPG of Japanese Origin. 

...and it just so happens most rpgs fit into what he just said, hence why most people consider rpgs like the FF series and Dragon quest as true, old-school jrpgs.  

To regurgitate what I've seen in a similar thread on the same data, those numbers are flawed.

1) Why are they counting year-to-date numbers on both 2007 AND 2008 games? This naturally skews the data, because the 2007 games have been out longer. 

2) Not only that, but they're taking games released during the whole year of 2007, without counting the sales of games released during November and December 2008, the busiest shopping season of the year. Chrono Trigger and The Last Remnant, in particular, fail to make appearances on the list, counting for at least a few hundred thousand sales between them. 

3) This calendar year is a low point, cyclically, for Square Enix. They've had similar years in the past. Next year, a number of huge titles, such as Final Fantasy XIII and Dragon Quest IX, are coming out. 

I don't think there's too much to worry about here. 

How can it be silly to say someone likes JRPGs more then the alternativie. They both can offer the same exact core gameplay but the fact is that they don't. There is a huge difference from a Fable, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout 3 compared to say a Tales of Vesperia, Final Fantasy, or TWEWY.

Its just a matter of Orgin when the W or J is added.

Blackbond

Sure there is a huge difference from Fable, Mass Effect, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 to Tales of Vesperia, Final Fantasy, and TWEWY.

But take a WSRPG like Silent Storm to a JSRPG like Disgaea (probabyl not the best example, but right now it the only one I can think of), they may not look the same. But on the gameplay level they are very similar.

[QUOTE="muffintheduffin"]

karma.

u screw over ur fans when u announced FFXIII for the 360 after claiming it exclusive to the ps3 COUNTLESS TIMES and now ur fans has abandon ship.

yeah, karma's a glitch. 

lawlessx

See, this is where you're wrong.

Sony fanboys can't boast about FFXIII being exclusive and use it as another reason why the Xbox 360 sucks in this or any other forum around the world (except, perhaps, Japan) How dare Square-Enix do this to them?! Losing this game as an exclusive is a fate worse than death!

Or...at least that's what reading these posts has lead me to believe.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="muffintheduffin"]

karma.

u screw over ur fans when u announced FFXIII for the 360 after claiming it exclusive to the ps3 COUNTLESS TIMES and now ur fans has abandon ship.

yeah, karma's a glitch. 

The_Game21x

See, this is where you're wrong.

Sony fanboys can't boast about FFXIII being exclusive and use it as another reason why the Xbox 360 sucks in this or any other forum around the world (except, perhaps, Japan) How dare Square-Enix do this to them?! Losing this game as an exclusive is a fate worse than death!

Or...at least that's what reading these posts has lead me to believe.

dude..i know all of this

i just do ps3 fanboys a favor and pretend i wasnt around whenever a 360 fanboy made a thread about an JRPG :wink: truth is Versus only started getting attention once FF13 was announced for the 360. cows then tried to backtrack EVERY good comment they made about ff13 and now say Versus was the one game they had real interest in.

wow, maybe they will start making good games again and actually sell copies. pretty obvious.

MrUn1t

 

You pretty much said it yourself with all these "rpgs" that sell well on the 360. Every single one of those four is a pseudo rpg. Fallout and Oblivion are first person rpgs with fps type combat. Mass Effect was a third person rpg with shird person shooter combat. Fable 2 can just barely call itself an rpg.

 

We'll see what happens, as I said, when WKC comes out. It will be the first old school jrpg to show up on the PS3. American RPGS, which is what those four rpgs you mentioned are on the 360, are a fairly new genre that Elder Scrolls created within the rpg universe.

 

You take this stuff entirely too seriously btw. 20k plus post count? My God man, please step AWAY from the keyboard.

Xalaten

Roll in the Damage Control 

Pseudo RPG? Come on man you know it, I know it, and the world knows it that Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect and Fable 2 are all RPGs. What does First Person FPS have to do with it not being an RPG? What does being in third Person with shooting have to do with it not being an RPG? Fable II can barely call itself an RPG? Just stop yourself right there. They are all RPGS. Just because Fable II is more action orientated doesn't mean its not an RPG. 

Those four RPGS are a fairly new genre that the Elder Scrolls created within the RPG Universe? 

You are aware that Elder Scrolls Arena came out in like 1994 right? Yeah um how about no....Not only that but there was a Fable that came out last genetation as well so I don't know what you are talking about on this one. Maybe I'm not understanding what exactly you are trying to type. 

You take this stuff entirely too seriously btw. 20k plus post count? My God man, please step AWAY from the keyboard.

1. Yes I was waiting for this part the personal attacks. Always a favorite of BlackBond. I mean it goes like clockwork then when the opposition is defeated you hear things like, Oh BlackBond you take things so seriously." 
2. 20K Post Count? Whats your point.
3. Good god step away from the keyboard?

Oh is that the best you could come up with? Why not make fun of me for

1. Not being 6'4?
2. For not being very athletic?
3. For not being able to get women?
4. For not being about a year and away from an Engineering Degree at Pittsburgh?
5. For just not being a total athlete having my walls lined with Trophies?

I mean go all out man lol

If this keeps up maybe Square Enix will start putting out good games like the past and maybe they will stop with this endless spinoff, remake, port crap. Look at your sales SE and realize the Spinoff, Remake, Port crap isn't going to work. Blackbond

They're probably still unsure what direction their games should take now that Mistwalker has cannibalized their once-great company...

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

You pretty much said it yourself with all these "rpgs" that sell well on the 360. Every single one of those four is a pseudo rpg. Fallout and Oblivion are first person rpgs with fps type combat. Mass Effect was a third person rpg with shird person shooter combat. Fable 2 can just barely call itself an rpg.

 

We'll see what happens, as I said, when WKC comes out. It will be the first old school jrpg to show up on the PS3. American RPGS, which is what those four rpgs you mentioned are on the 360, are a fairly new genre that Elder Scrolls created within the rpg universe.

 

You take this stuff entirely too seriously btw. 20k plus post count? My God man, please step AWAY from the keyboard.

Blackbond

Roll in the Damage Control 

Pseudo RPG? Come on man you know it, I know it, and the world knows it that Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect and Fable 2 are all RPGs. What does First Person FPS have to do with it not being an RPG? What does being in third Person with shooting have to do with it not being an RPG? Fable II can barely call itself an RPG? Just stop yourself right there. They are all RPGS. Just because Fable II is more action orientated doesn't mean its not an RPG. 

Those four RPGS are a fairly new genre that the Elder Scrolls created within the RPG Universe? 

You are aware that Elder Scrolls Arena came out in like 1994 right? Yeah um how about no....Not only that but there was a Fable that came out last genetation as well so I don't know what you are talking about on this one. Maybe I'm not understanding what exactly you are trying to type. 

You take this stuff entirely too seriously btw. 20k plus post count? My God man, please step AWAY from the keyboard.

1. Yes I was waiting for this part the personal attacks. Always a favorite of BlackBond. I mean it goes like clockwork then when the opposition is defeated you hear things like, Oh BlackBond you take things so seriously." 
2. 20K Post Count? Whats your point.
3. Good god step away from the keyboard?

Oh is that the best you could come up with? Why not make fun of me for

1. Not being 6'4?
2. For not being very athletic?
3. For not being able to get women?
4. For not being about a year and away from an Engineering Degree at Pittsburgh?
5. For just not being a total athlete having my walls lined with Trophies?

I mean go all out man lol

Where does this idea that RPGs are going to sell amazingly well on the PS3 come from? Any RPG that comes out on the PS3 will probably sell about as well as its 360-counterpart (give or take a few percentage points because the PS3 install base is slightly lower, or if the game has been traditionally Playstation-exclusive). It's not like when Squeenix starts releasing games for the PS3, all its games will suddenly sell abnormally high amounts; for that to happen, the company would have to go back to being the JRPG king it used to be. The fact of the matter is, SquareEnix isn't selling games for two reasons: 1) JRPGs don't sell as well as some of the more casual-saturated genres on the market, and 2) SE isn't making enough high quality games. 

As to being dissed on for your post count...Well...We all take the time to argue on a forum about videogames. I don't think any of us really gets to jump on someone else for taking this site too seriously. ;)