Square Enix Unit Sales Down 74%

That's what you get when you make average games to a non rpg console.

 

Square should have stuck with PS3 and ported to the 360 if needed, not the other way around.  

 

I'm glad this is happening.  

Xalaten

That's what you get when you make average games to a non rpg console.

Square should have stuck with PS3 and ported to the 360 if needed, not the other way around.

I'm glad this is happening.

Xalaten

How do you know that it will sell better on the PS3? From the facts that we have seen from the JRPG that have released on the PS3 it wouldn't have sold better.

In before the senseless "It's becuz SE supported teh Xbox 3-"...oh, wait, they've already posted.

SE, this is what happens when you play off of the nostalgia of the fanbase of a certain, singular game franchise for too long. Your other series fall into neglect, and when those nostalgic fans start to dwindle, you're screwed. Try releasing new and original content more than every few years for a change, why don't you? FFVII wasn't your only, or even best, game, and Final Fantasy wasn't your only franchise.

my last postquoted some one i did not but i will not go back and fix it

back on topic square needs to go back to supporting lead platform (snes,ps1,ps2,wii) it worked in the past and it would work today. 

my last postquoted some one i did not but i will not go back and fix it

 

back on topic square needs to go back to supporting lead platform (snes,ps1,ps2,wii) it worked in the past and it would work today. 

surrealnumber5

Exactly

In before the senseless "It's becuz SE supported teh Xbox 3-"...oh, wait, they've already posted.

SE, this is what happens when you play off of the nostalgia of the fanbase of a certain, singular game franchise for too long. Your other series fall into neglect, and when those nostalgic fans start to dwindle, you're screwed. Try releasing new and original content more than every few years for a change, why don't you? FFVII wasn't your only, or even best, game, and Final Fantasy wasn't your only franchise.

Verge_6

Another issue is gamers like myself. The old guard. Which would probably represent you as well Verge. They've fed us this spinoff/remake/port crap and kept us in the same FF/DQ Universes rather then branching off for so long I can honestly say that I just don't care as much anymore.

I'm not excited when they make new announcements, I fully expect nothing but the usual when they make any announcements. Couple that with the fact that they've taken so overly long with bringing out FFXIII and other high level console games when we are three years into this gen they've become pretty irrelevant in the market to me.

I'm not buying games that I've already played before and I'm 95% of the time not going to buy  a spinoff unless its exceptional because quite frankly I'm just sick of the same old concepts that they use. I mean its not like they are supplementing their library with other games it would be like if 90% of every game Nintendo made was freaking Mario.

In a market where Oblivion was a success, games like Mass Effect, Fable II, and now even Fall Out 3 reaching 4 million plus copies. The JRPG genre has essentially become dominated.

This isn't the PS1 era anymore. This is something all together different. It boggles my mind that when two of the greatest JRPG devs ever came together that they changed their focus so completely. They would have been better off seperate because all they did together was change their focus to this silly thing you see before you today all while killing off the Ogre Battle franchise completely.

Man I feel old. It seems like yesterday that Square and Enix were on top of their game. Now it just seems like they are a struggling dev still trying to find themselves within the console market. Sad indeed. 

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

In before the senseless "It's becuz SE supported teh Xbox 3-"...oh, wait, they've already posted.

SE, this is what happens when you play off of the nostalgia of the fanbase of a certain, singular game franchise for too long. Your other series fall into neglect, and when those nostalgic fans start to dwindle, you're screwed. Try releasing new and original content more than every few years for a change, why don't you? FFVII wasn't your only, or even best, game, and Final Fantasy wasn't your only franchise.

Blackbond

Another issue is gamers like myself. The old guard. Which would probably represent you as well Verge. They've fed us this spinoff/remake/port crap and kept us in the same FF/DQ Universes rather then branching off for so long I can honestly say that I just don't care as much anymore.

I'm not excited when they make new announcements, I fully expect nothing but the usual when they make any announcements. Couple that with the fact that they've taken so overly long with bringing out FFXIII and other high level console games when we are three years into this gen they've become pretty irrelevant in the market to me.

I'm not buying games that I've already played before and I'm 95% of the time not going to buy  a spinoff unless its exceptional because quite frankly I'm just sick of the same old concepts that they use. I mean its not like they are supplementing their library with other games it would be like if 90% of every game Nintendo made was freaking Mario.

In a market where Oblivion was a success, games like Mass Effect, Fable II, and now even Fall Out 3 reaching 4 million plus copies. The JRPG genre has essentially become dominated.

This isn't the PS1 era anymore. This is something all together different. It boggles my mind that when two of the greatest JRPG devs ever came together that they changed their focus so completely. They would have been better off seperate because all they did together was change their focus to this silly thing you see before you today all while killing off the Ogre Battle franchise completely.

Man I feel old. It seems like yesterday that Square and Enix were on top of their game. Now it just seems like they are a struggling dev still trying to find themselves within the console market. Sad indeed. 

With the way there supporting the 360 numbers are bound to be lower then what they really were. They want to release multiplatform gmes and that seems to be the handle that their going with. The hardware this gen is very complicated, expensive, and have way more lower userbases then they did in the past.

ONce Final Fantasy XIII releases we will probably see new things from them, which has happened always in the past. And to people using RPG numbers for the PS3? Has the PS3 even released a high budget RPG yet? VC and Disgea III are niche SJRPG games which had no advertisement. Im surprised it got the sales that it did.

Its good to hear that people are not buying junk from them. Anyway as we speak there should be some changes within the company that have to do with personnel. They need better management for one thing and they need people who have a better idea of the kinds of games most people want to play from them which is a big part of what they lack. Next they may hire some better devs to put out better games but there should definitely be some changes to the management.

Oh and by the way with SE's current state and the kinds of games they are putting out on the 360 I don't expect MS to bail them out. As a matter of fact I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if MS didn't lift a finger to help them. Maybe they will give them some funding for Star Ocean and FFXIII but if those don't do well SE is done.

Its good to hear that people are not buying junk from them. Anyway as we speak there should be some changes within the company that have to do with personnel. They need better management for one thing and they need people who have a better idea of the kinds of games most people want to play from them which is a big part of what they lack. Next they may hire some better devs to put out better games but there should definitely be some changes to the management.

Oh and by the way with SE's current state and the kinds of games they are putting out on the 360 I don't expect MS to bail them out. As a matter of fact I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if MS didn't lift a finger to help them. Maybe they will give them some funding for Star Ocean and FFXIII but if those don't do well SE is done.

odin2019

They need to revive the Ogre Battle series rather then forcing htat team into those sill spinoff of a spinoff Final Fantasy Tactics Advance games. Can we get Final Fantasy Tactics 2 already also? 

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Yeah, he got it at Survivor Series last Sunday. Blackbond

Well I wish someone else would have won because I'm tired of people disappearing off screen only to come back and win the belt. Aka Cena and Edge. But hell I'd rather see anyone the Champion besides HHH. So cheers I guess. Hopefully this means Chrisitan is going to feud with him when he comes back.

From what's been said, Edge winning was due to the fact that Hard's psuedo-heel turn wasn't working out (people were still cheering him on, hell in the match itself where hardy wasn't present because of an "Injury", there were a lot of "We Want Hardy" chants). So they brought in Edge as the definitive heel.

in truth all of the 360's RPGs are new franchises and didn't get hype worthy of a final fantasy game, so i'm also not surprised of their sales st1ka

Fair enough. I see where you're coming from.

wow, maybe they will start making good games again and actually sell copies. pretty obvious.

MrUn1t

[QUOTE="MrUn1t"]

wow, maybe they will start making good games again and actually sell copies. pretty obvious.

darthogre

Two things I've noticed in this thread:

1)  No where in that article posted did it say that SE was losing money.  Selling less software doesn not necessarily mean making less money.  maybe I missed something.

2) Sony fanboys doing the fastest 180 degree turn in a thread I've ever seen.  Going from "JRPG's would've sold better if it was on the PS3" to "Those PS3 JRPG's didn't get much hype.  I'm surprise they sold as well as they did" 

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

That's what you get when you make average games to a non rpg console.

 

Square should have stuck with PS3 and ported to the 360 if needed, not the other way around.  

 

I'm glad this is happening.  

surrealnumber5

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question.  Please don't be angry.

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off.  The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

That's what you get when you make average games to a non rpg console.

 

Square should have stuck with PS3 and ported to the 360 if needed, not the other way around.  

 

I'm glad this is happening.  

Xalaten

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question.  Please don't be angry.

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off.  The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

That's what you get when you make average games to a non rpg console.

 

Square should have stuck with PS3 and ported to the 360 if needed, not the other way around.

 

I'm glad this is happening.

spinecaton

How do you know that it will sell better on the PS3? From the facts that we have seen from the JRPG that have released on the PS3 it wouldn't have sold better.

It's called common sense.

Squenix's biggest demographic is the Japanese jrpg.  The Japanese don't like the 360.

Once again, common sense.

Squenix thought they could put jrpgs on the 360 and then every jrpg fan would say "gee I'm going to gobble that right up!".

Instead, they said "no thank you, I'm paying 200 bucks for a console just to play average rpgs with one or two good ones thrown in".

The Japanese don't like fps's guys, this is a proven fact.  The 360 is an FPS machine first and foremost.

Good night now.  

The 360 is an FPS machine first and foremost.

Xalaten

2005's over, spud.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]how is the ps3 an rpg console it has like 2 bad rpg's totalVerge_6

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question.  Please don't be angry.

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off.  The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.  If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age.  This is NOT arguable.  The main reason is the whole price thing.  

It's a fact the Japanese don't like the 360.  Look at Japanese sales numbers.

It's a fact the FPS is the biggest demographic of the 360 and most of these are young males.  Fact.  Fact.  Fact.  Fact.  The 360s two biggest sellers are shooters for the loe of pete.

You can argue with me all you want but I am 100% correct in this.  Squenix spit in the face of the people paying their bills for the past 15 years and now they can't figure out why average jrpgs don't sell on a console not known for jrpgs?  It's called logic people.  I know common sense and logic don't belong on SW but I will bring it to you as much as I can.

Occam's Razor.  If you don't know what that means you can look that up too.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

The 360 is an FPS machine first and foremost.

Verge_6

2005's over, spud.

Microsoft's two biggest sellers and franchises, by far, are Gears of War and Halo.  This is not even an argument.  

Fable is also a big seller, but it's not a jrpg, or even a true rpg.  It's more an action/adventure game.

Please tell me when in Microsoft's history have they EVER been a successful rpg developer?  They weren't with the original xbox and they aren't with the 360.

HOWEVER, the PS1 AND the PS2 were always jrpg magnets.  There were so many rpgs on those two platforms it boggled the mind.  So logic (again I know some people hate that word) would dictate that the Playstation platform has always been an rpg king and the xbox platform has struggled as one (and that's me being generous).

Instead of saying "you're wrong" how about you actually refute with facts what I'm saying.

I have a feeling I'll be waiting here awhile.  Even the most diehard lemmings will admit the PS platform has always been the biggest rpg developer.  

 

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.  If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

 

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age.  This is NOT arguable.  The main reason is the whole price thing.  

 

It's a fact the Japanese don't like the 360.  Look at Japanese sales numbers.

 

It's a fact the FPS is the biggest demographic of the 360 and most of these are young males.  Fact.  Fact.  Fact.  Fact.  The 360s two biggest sellers are shooters for the loe of pete.

 

You can argue with me all you want but I am 100% correct in this.  Squenix spit in the face of the people paying their bills for the past 15 years and now they can't figure out why average jrpgs don't sell on a console not known for jrpgs?  It's called logic people.  I know common sense and logic don't belong on SW but I will bring it to you as much as I can.

 

Occam's Razor.  If you don't know what that means you can look that up too.

Xalaten

It's sad when the first statement in your post is an outright lie...

But first, before I dissect your post, I must address this second fallacy in your post.  The one highlighted in red. That was a nice try but it seems someone has forgotten what they've learned in debating 101. You were the one who made the claim that the PS3's prime demographic is older and more sophisticated than the Xbox 360's and thus, the burden of proof is on you. Don't want to back up your claims? Then don't make them. So, like Verge, I'd like to see you prove those 100% irrefutable facts. 

Don't have any proof? Well, then you don't have an argument. :wink:

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

The 360 is an FPS machine first and foremost.

Xalaten

2005's over, spud.

Microsoft's two biggest sellers and franchises, by far, are Gears of War and Halo.  This is not even an argument.  

Fable is also a big seller, but it's not a jrpg, or even a true rpg.  It's more an action/adventure game.

Please tell me when in Microsoft's history have they EVER been a successful rpg developer?  They weren't with the original xbox and they aren't with the 360.

HOWEVER, the PS1 AND the PS2 were always jrpg magnets.  There were so many rpgs on those two platforms it boggled the mind.  So logic (again I know some people hate that word) would dictate that the Playstation platform has always been an rpg king and the xbox platform has struggled as one (and that's me being generous).

Instead of saying "you're wrong" how about you actually refute with facts what I'm saying.

I have a feeling I'll be waiting here awhile.  Even the most diehard lemmings will admit the PS platform has always been the biggest rpg developer.  

The 360 is an FPS machine first and foremost.

2005's over, spud.

Microsoft's two biggest sellers and franchises, by far, are Gears of War and Halo.  This is not even an argument.  

Fable is also a big seller, but it's not a jrpg, or even a true rpg.  It's more an action/adventure game.

Please tell me when in Microsoft's history have they EVER been a successful rpg developer?  They weren't with the original xbox and they aren't with the 360.

HOWEVER, the PS1 AND the PS2 were always jrpg magnets.  There were so many rpgs on those two platforms it boggled the mind.  So logic (again I know some people hate that word) would dictate that the Playstation platform has always been an rpg king and the xbox platform has struggled as one (and that's me being generous).

Instead of saying "you're wrong" how about you actually refute with facts what I'm saying.

I have a feeling I'll be waiting here awhile.  Even the most diehard lemmings will admit the PS platform has always been the biggest rpg developer.  

 

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question. Please don't be angry.

 

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off. The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

 

On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

 

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Xalaten

Read this and weep.

King of Japan????  The PS3 is currently selling worse than the gamecube did in this time in its lifecycle. :lol: 

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age. This is NOT arguable. The main reason is the whole price thing.

Xalaten

If they are of higher age, wouldn't they be able to better afford a PS3 and wouldn't it be selling more?

this is officially the oxymoron of the day.

In a market where Oblivion was a success, games like Mass Effect, Fable II, and now even Fall Out 3 reaching 4 million plus copies. The JRPG genre has essentially become dominated.

This isn't the PS1 era anymore. This is something all together different. It boggles my mind that when two of the greatest JRPG devs ever came together that they changed their focus so completely. They would have been better off seperate because all they did together was change their focus to this silly thing you see before you today all while killing off the Ogre Battle franchise completely.

Man I feel old. It seems like yesterday that Square and Enix were on top of their game. Now it just seems like they are a struggling dev still trying to find themselves within the console market. Sad indeed.

Blackbond

I think the 'age of the JRPG' is almost over; however IIRC the only one that really sells is Final Fantasy, but a JRPG reaching a million is very rare. But with WRPGS like you said there are two WRPGs that came out this year that already had over a million+ copies sold. I remember at TGS someone at S-E said the Japanese devs are falling behind. So maybe with next generation we may see the end of the JRPG as we know it.

Also I think I know why Square and Enix aren't as good as they were. It is because they came together. When they are apart they are rivals and fighting to be better. Without that they don't have any reason to be at the top of their game.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

 

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question. Please don't be angry.

 

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off. The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the 1) PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

 

2) On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

 

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Xalaten

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age. This is NOT arguable. The main reason is the whole price thing.

It's a fact the Japanese don't like the 360. Look at Japanese sales numbers.

It's a fact the FPS is the biggest demographic of the 360 and most of these are young males. Fact. Fact. Fact. Fact. The 360s two biggest sellers are shooters for the loe of pete.

You can argue with me all you want but I am 100% correct in this. Squenix spit in the face of the people paying their bills for the past 15 years and now they can't figure out why average jrpgs don't sell on a console not known for jrpgs? It's called logic people. I know common sense and logic don't belong on SW but I will bring it to you as much as I can.

Occam's Razor. If you don't know what that means you can look that up too.

Oh man this is going to be easier then coloring inside the lines  :lol: 

100% Irrefutable Facts BlackBond's *** 

1. If PS3 has so many people who like RPGs then why did sales of Fallout 3 and Oblivion come out higher on the 360? Why are JRPGS selling better on the 360 then the PS3? Why are JRPGS selling better on 360 in Japan then JRPGS selling on PS3 in Japan? Why have Mass Effect and Fable 2 sold over a million copies?
2. PS3 is the King of Japan? Yeah maybe if you didn't count Nintendo LOL. Japan's favorite Genre is the JRPG? Well it wouldn't seem so anymore seeing as the Wii's software obliterates the PS3's software sales in Japan.

You'll have to provide evidence to support that claim. I mean really it sounds like you just pulled it out of the sky and that's because you did.

Us doing your work? No this is you proving your case and providing evidence to support your point. Clearly you did nothing in either regard. 

The biggest demographic on the PS3 is FPS as well. RFOM and COD4 man lol. Both are 3 million plus and you realize that COD4 was the most popular game on PSN for how long? This gen its the FPS its not just XBOX. Or did you forget that Sony went for Haze, RFOM, RFOM2, and now Killzone 2 for no reason at all? 

You are not 100% right as you cannot prove made up facts. Provide evidence, facts, and support for your claims and then we'll see if you are 100% correct which you obviously are not.

I love irony haha 

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

 

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question.  Please don't be angry.

 

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off.  The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

 

On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

 

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Xalaten

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.  If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

Translation; You don't have diddly-squat to back up your statements. Do you know what it means to refuse to back up your information with sources, especially if they are "common knowledge", in a debate? It means you LOSE. You get NOTHING! Good day, sir!

 

It's called common sense.

 

Squenix's biggest demographic is the Japanese jrpg. The Japanese don't like the 360.

 

Once again, common sense.

 

Squenix thought they could put jrpgs on the 360 and then every jrpg fan would say "gee I'm going to gobble that right up!".

 

Instead, they said "no thank you, I'm paying 200 bucks for a console just to play average rpgs with one or two good ones thrown in".

 

 

 

Good night now.

Xalaten

Unfortunately for you common sense is not factual evidence thus making what you refer to as common sense irrelevant.

JRPGS are selling better on the 360 then the PS3 fact. JRPGS sell better in Japan on 360 then the PS3 at the moment right now is also a fact. So what the hell are you talking about? 

No instead they bought more copies of JRPGS on 360 then on the PS3. 

That and the Japanese market isn't the only demographic for JRPGS as seen by the sales of these games. 

People, stop picking on Xalaten. Give him some time to breathe in between having his arguments crushed. :lol:The_Game21x

But its so deliciously evil....

But seriously when you claim that your comments (opinions) are 100% irrefutable facts and don't back them up what do you expect to happen? Sometimes I feel as if people believe that some people in SW think that the overall menatlity of people in SW is so low that no matter how far fetched a comment they say they act like oh well its SW they aren't smart enough to not believe it.

That is not true. 

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="MrUn1t"]

wow, maybe they will start making good games again and actually sell copies. pretty obvious.

Verge_6

Wow, IU didn't even break 100,000 now that is sad, very sad indeed. Yup Square, you just keep putting exclusives on the 360 and look where it will get ya. Delsage

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

 

2005's over, spud.

Verge_6

Microsoft's two biggest sellers and franchises, by far, are Gears of War and Halo.  This is not even an argument.  

Fable is also a big seller, but it's not a jrpg, or even a true rpg.  It's more an action/adventure game.

Please tell me when in Microsoft's history have they EVER been a successful rpg developer?  They weren't with the original xbox and they aren't with the 360.

HOWEVER, the PS1 AND the PS2 were always jrpg magnets.  There were so many rpgs on those two platforms it boggled the mind.  So logic (again I know some people hate that word) would dictate that the Playstation platform has always been an rpg king and the xbox platform has struggled as one (and that's me being generous).

Instead of saying "you're wrong" how about you actually refute with facts what I'm saying.

I have a feeling I'll be waiting here awhile.  Even the most diehard lemmings will admit the PS platform has always been the biggest rpg developer.  

Actually the Playstation platform's top sellers have always been the God of War series, GTA series, Gran Turismo series, MGS series and Final Fantasy series.  Nice try though!

The reason Resistance and Uncharted are the highest sellers on the PS3 along with MGS 4 and GTA  is because they haven't released God of War, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo etc.  Once they do those will take the top spots.

So no, I'm not wrong.  It's not my fault Sony is dragging their feet on their top first party sellers.  When God of War, Gran Turismo and FF 13/Versus are released they will sell more than I bet even Killzone (and far more than Resistance 2).  THOSE are the system sellers and they simply haven't come out yet.

Gran Turismo series is still the top seller on the PS2.  Bet you didn't know that little tidbit.  

Two things I've noticed in this thread:

1)  No where in that article posted did it say that SE was losing money.  Selling less software doesn not necessarily mean making less money.  maybe I missed something.

2) Sony fanboys doing the fastest 180 degree turn in a thread I've ever seen.  Going from "JRPG's would've sold better if it was on the PS3" to "Those PS3 JRPG's didn't get much hype.  I'm surprise they sold as well as they did" 

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

I'm going to be blunt and answer your question. Please don't be angry.

 

The largest demographic of the 360 is teenage boys and 20 somethings who enjoy blowing things up, shooting things and watching people's head's come off. The PS3's demographic is proven to be older statistically and since many PS2 fanbois support the PS3 it has a very high amount of people who enjoy RPGs, much MUCH higher than the 360s fanbase.

 

On top of that, keep in mind the PS3 is king in Japan and Japan's favorite genre is the jrpg, so why in the name of monkey pee would Square decide to put most of their jrpgs on a console the Japanese don't even like much?

 

I'll tell you why, their greed got in the way of their common sense.

Yellow_Rose

Read this and weep.

King of Japan????  The PS3 is currently selling worse than the gamecube did in this time in its lifecycle. :lol: 

Where in your pathetic little link does it say that the 360 is more popular than the PS3 in Japan, or even close in sales?

Just curious.

Again, I'll wait.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age. This is NOT arguable. The main reason is the whole price thing.

Yellow_Rose

If they are of higher age, wouldn't they be able to better afford a PS3 and wouldn't it be selling more?

this is officially the oxymoron of the day.

Oh look a fact!  I expect an apology.The Escapist : News : Report: Younger Gamers Prefer Xbox 360

As you can see the percentage is much higher with the 360 with younger gamers.  Yes, I know the PS3 is beaten by both the Wii and 360 in all areas but that wasn't what I was arguing.  I was arguing the demographic of the PS3 due to the price is of an older age and that article proves it.  Usage as age goes up for the 360 goes down where the highes tusage rate is teens and early to mid 20s.

Apology please.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

 

 

Microsoft's two biggest sellers and franchises, by far, are Gears of War and Halo.  This is not even an argument.  

 

Fable is also a big seller, but it's not a jrpg, or even a true rpg.  It's more an action/adventure game.

 

Please tell me when in Microsoft's history have they EVER been a successful rpg developer?  They weren't with the original xbox and they aren't with the 360.

 

HOWEVER, the PS1 AND the PS2 were always jrpg magnets.  There were so many rpgs on those two platforms it boggled the mind.  So logic (again I know some people hate that word) would dictate that the Playstation platform has always been an rpg king and the xbox platform has struggled as one (and that's me being generous).

 

Instead of saying "you're wrong" how about you actually refute with facts what I'm saying.

 

I have a feeling I'll be waiting here awhile.  Even the most diehard lemmings will admit the PS platform has always been the biggest rpg developer.  

Xalaten

Actually the Playstation platform's top sellers have always been the God of War series, GTA series, Gran Turismo series, MGS series and Final Fantasy series.  Nice try though!

The reason Resistance and Uncharted are the highest sellers on the PS3 along with MGS 4 and GTA  is because they haven't released God of War, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo etc.  Once they do those will take the top spots.

So no, I'm not wrong.  It's not my fault Sony is dragging their feet on their top first party sellers.  When God of War, Gran Turismo and FF 13/Versus are released they will sell more than I bet even Killzone (and far more than Resistance 2).  THOSE are the system sellers and they simply haven't come out yet.

Gran Turismo series is still the top seller on the PS2.  Bet you didn't know that little tidbit.  

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Wow, generalization, assumptions, and flat-out lies all in one post...I'm impressed.Blackbond

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age. This is NOT arguable. The main reason is the whole price thing.

It's a fact the Japanese don't like the 360. Look at Japanese sales numbers.

It's a fact the FPS is the biggest demographic of the 360 and most of these are young males. Fact. Fact. Fact. Fact. The 360s two biggest sellers are shooters for the loe of pete.

You can argue with me all you want but I am 100% correct in this. Squenix spit in the face of the people paying their bills for the past 15 years and now they can't figure out why average jrpgs don't sell on a console not known for jrpgs? It's called logic people. I know common sense and logic don't belong on SW but I will bring it to you as much as I can.

Occam's Razor. If you don't know what that means you can look that up too.

Oh man this is going to be easier then coloring inside the lines  :lol: 

100% Irrefutable Facts BlackBond's *** 

1. If PS3 has so many people who like RPGs then why did sales of Fallout 3 and Oblivion come out higher on the 360? Why are JRPGS selling better on the 360 then the PS3? Why are JRPGS selling better on 360 in Japan then JRPGS selling on PS3 in Japan? Why have Mass Effect and Fable 2 sold over a million copies?
2. PS3 is the King of Japan? Yeah maybe if you didn't count Nintendo LOL. Japan's favorite Genre is the JRPG? Well it wouldn't seem so anymore seeing as the Wii's software obliterates the PS3's software sales in Japan.

You'll have to provide evidence to support that claim. I mean really it sounds like you just pulled it out of the sky and that's because you did.

Us doing your work? No this is you proving your case and providing evidence to support your point. Clearly you did nothing in either regard. 

The biggest demographic on the PS3 is FPS as well. RFOM and COD4 man lol. Both are 3 million plus and you realize that COD4 was the most popular game on PSN for how long? This gen its the FPS its not just XBOX. Or did you forget that Sony went for Haze, RFOM, RFOM2, and now Killzone 2 for no reason at all? 

You are not 100% right as you cannot prove made up facts. Provide evidence, facts, and support for your claims and then we'll see if you are 100% correct which you obviously are not.

I love irony haha 

Gee, what are all these jrpgs that came out for the PS3 that you're talking about?  You mean Oblivion and Fallout 3?  Not jrpgs.  You mean Eternal Sonata?  Already been out for a year on the 360 and most who wanted it in Japan already bought the 360 for it.  Disagea?  Not a jrpg, a strategy rpg.  Valkyria Chronicles, not a jrpg but a strategy rpg (a GREAT one, by the way).

Gee that sure is a long list of PS3 jrpgs that you said weren't selling in Japan.  Technically your'e right though since Sony has barely released any jrpgs.  

I mean really Black, you usually  make good points but this time you're just fishing.  Why do jrpgs sell better on the 360 than the PS3?  BECUASE THERE ARE ALMOST NONE ON THE PS3.  Makes sense, doesn't it?  Almost all jrpgs have come out on the 360.

I mean, that's like asking "why does Burger King sell more Whoppers than MacDonald's"?

We were talking about hte 360 and PS3, not the Wii.  The PS3 is bigger in Japan than the 360.  Please don't argue that one.  I mean c'mon, the biggest reason the 360 has sold what it has in Japan is because almost all the current gens jrpgs have come out only on the 360.  Blue Dragon pushed a lot of 360s as did Vesperia and Lost Oddysey.  None of which are on the PS3 and also the only decent jrpgs for the 360.  Are you REALLY going to sit here and tell me if they had come out on the PS3 instead that all those 360s would have been bought?

Really, think about that one.  PS3 leads in Japan over the 360.  If those three decent to good jrpgs came out on the PS3 to are you going to sit here and tell me with a straight face that the Japanese would have ignored the PS3 version on a console they already had and buy a 360?

You know the answer to that.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Two things I've noticed in this thread:

1) No where in that article posted did it say that SE was losing money. Selling less software doesn not necessarily mean making less money. maybe I missed something.

2) Sony fanboys doing the fastest 180 degree turn in a thread I've ever seen. Going from "JRPG's would've sold better if it was on the PS3" to "Those PS3 JRPG's didn't get much hype. I'm surprise they sold as well as they did"

hayato_

SJRPGS are still JRPGS. Any RPG made in Japan is a JRPG hence the term Japanese RPG.

Fire Emblem on Wii you know an SJRPG hit above 500,000 man. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]

Everything I said is 100% irrefutable fact.If you want the actual sources do a google search because I'm not doing your work for you when the facts are common knowledge within the gaming community.

The demographics of the PS3 are of a higher age. This is NOT arguable. The main reason is the whole price thing.

It's a fact the Japanese don't like the 360. Look at Japanese sales numbers.

It's a fact the FPS is the biggest demographic of the 360 and most of these are young males. Fact. Fact. Fact. Fact. The 360s two biggest sellers are shooters for the loe of pete.

You can argue with me all you want but I am 100% correct in this. Squenix spit in the face of the people paying their bills for the past 15 years and now they can't figure out why average jrpgs don't sell on a console not known for jrpgs? It's called logic people. I know common sense and logic don't belong on SW but I will bring it to you as much as I can.

Occam's Razor. If you don't know what that means you can look that up too.

Xalaten

Oh man this is going to be easier then coloring inside the lines :lol:

100% Irrefutable Facts BlackBond's ***

You'll have to provide evidence to support that claim. I mean really it sounds like you just pulled it out of the sky and that's because you did.

Us doing your work? No this is you proving your case and providing evidence to support your point. Clearly you did nothing in either regard.

The biggest demographic on the PS3 is FPS as well. RFOM and COD4 man lol. Both are 3 million plus and you realize that COD4 was the most popular game on PSN for how long? This gen its the FPS its not just XBOX. Or did you forget that Sony went for Haze, RFOM, RFOM2, and now Killzone 2 for no reason at all?

You are not 100% right as you cannot prove made up facts. Provide evidence, facts, and support for your claims and then we'll see if you are 100% correct which you obviously are not.

I love irony haha

You mean Eternal Sonata? Already been out for a year on the 360 and most who wanted it in Japan already bought the 360 for it.

:roll: typical cow thrying to avoid the question so ur basically saying E.S was a flop correct slaes-Wise?

so ur blaming the 360 of the bad sales of bioshock on the PS3?

E.S couldn't even top the debut sales of ES:lol:

just further proof that japan are more willing to shell out 200 bucks for a system for an jrpg then the PS3 owners. pretty pathetic.

 

Yes it's a fact because THE PS3 HASN'T RELEASED MANY (ANY) EXCLUSIVE JRPGS!  My god you can't be this vapid.

 

Xalaten

Disgaea 3, Eternal sonata, Folklore, Valkyria chronicles