Square Enix Unit Sales Down 74%

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Explain why Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia (360) has sold more than Valkria Chronicles (PS3) in Japan.

rybe1025

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Delsage"] Yeah right, just like they made SO4 multiplat right.Delsage

You obviously missed the point. Vashkey said that IU would be on the PS3 if it wasn't published by Microsoft, however SO4 isn't published by Microsoft and has yet to be announced for the PS3.

Good job at reading into things on your part though. ;)

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

 

Not so good when you remember.

1) Vakyria Chronicles is critically a better game than IU.

2) PS3 has over 3 times the userbase in Japan than 360.

3) Blue Dragon has sold more than VC.

Yellow_Rose

If we use gamerankings, then its

VC = 86%
IU = 68%

If we use just GS

VC = 8.5
IU = 6.5

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Not good when you have 360 JRPGS that are selling more then that in Japan alone. I mean for the people that think that JRPGS on 360 aren't selling um they are selling better then a good deal of the JRPGS on the PS2.

Blue Dragon and Lost Oddessey have done much better then any title in the Persona series. JRPGS in Japan are sellig better on 360 then PS3 atm as well. So for anyone to say if they put it on PS3 instead of 360 it would sell better I'm not so sure. I don't expect a JRPG boom in Japan until FFXIII. Hopefully WKC though.

Blackbond

Blue Dragon for 500,000 as well I believe. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="JLF1"]
Lost odyssey is actually the only new IP in the JRPG genre that has sold more than 500K (over 700K actually in LO's case) sense Kingdom hearts.

Jrpgs are selling amazing on the 360.JLF1

Blue Dragon for 500,000 as well I believe. 

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
Yellow_Rose

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
Yellow_Rose

Makes no sense why some people are blaming the 360. Especially when the one game(TLR) they released and funded recieved bad reviews and the other was a MS game(IU) which also recieved bad reviews. All I know is thatfrom my understanding JRPG were never huge selllers unless it was DQ, FF, and now KH. LO is the first JRPG this gen to sell at least 800k and BD sold over 500k. JRPGs can sell on the 360 it just have to be advertised and put out around a certain time.too_much_eslim

Agreed. If anything it's because of the lack of quality in their latest titels. 

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

Blue Dragon sold well in Japan with 210k, but sold REALLY poorly in NA and EU. It reached 500k, but it was an expensive game to make Either way, MS need to keep funding them because it really did help their operations in JapanFirstDiscovery

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
Yellow_Rose

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]Makes no sense why some people are blaming the 360. Especially when the one game(TLR) they released and funded recieved bad reviews and the other was a MS game(IU) which also recieved bad reviews. All I know is thatfrom my understanding JRPG were never huge selllers unless it was DQ, FF, and now KH. LO is the first JRPG this gen to sell at least 800k and BD sold over 500k. JRPGs can sell on the 360 it just have to be advertised and put out around a certain time.JLF1

Agreed. If anything it's because of the lack of quality in their latest titels. 

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
jakarai

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]Makes no sense why some people are blaming the 360. Especially when the one game(TLR) they released and funded recieved bad reviews and the other was a MS game(IU) which also recieved bad reviews. All I know is thatfrom my understanding JRPG were never huge selllers unless it was DQ, FF, and now KH. LO is the first JRPG this gen to sell at least 800k and BD sold over 500k. JRPGs can sell on the 360 it just have to be advertised and put out around a certain time.too_much_eslim

Agreed. If anything it's because of the lack of quality in their latest titels. 

Good. Maybe they will attempt to start making some original content worth buying again.foxhound_fox

EDIT:  Also, include well known franchises like FF and DQ into the games = more profit for them. 

[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them. But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
JLF1

I thought Star Ocean 4 was still coming to the PS3. 

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]
Blue Dragon sold well in Japan with 210k, but sold REALLY poorly in NA and EU. It reached 500k, but it was an expensive game to make Either way, MS need to keep funding them because it really did help their operations in JapanJLF1

[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
JLF1

How many games has SE released on PS3? - 0 How many have they released on Xbox 360? - 4 I'll make it easy for you and give you the answers.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="jakarai"] I guess they don't want to stay in business either. LOL Keep supporting Xbox exclusively SE see how far it gets ya.jakarai

How many games has SE released on PS3? How many have they released on Xbox 360?

No third-party haven this generation, the PS3 and the 360 arent doing well, SE has to change to the new climate of casuals otherwise they go bust Oh yeah, but this isnt Nintendos fault even though its the Wii that has pushed out the hardcore consoles:roll:FirstDiscovery

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
jakarai

because RPGS on the PS3 just sell wonderfully don't they :roll:

eternal sonata: 60K in Japan (don't know the rest)

Valkyria chronicles 250K worldwide

disgaea 3: 90K in the US

[QUOTE="Delsage"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"] How is it Squares fault? Their business has always been DS centred so what you talking about, TWO games have ruined everything for them? IU is a Microsoft owned, tri-Ace developed game that SE published. TLR is a FRIGGIN multiplat, seriously what dont fanboys get this?Yellow_Rose

Hey! Is TLR even out on the PS3 right now? Didn't think so. We can't tell how well that will do until it's out for at least a couple of months, but judging on how Bad it is I doubt it will do well at all, on any console. However IU was decent, and it didn't even break 100,000.

Also I am not a "fanboy" I would even own a 360 by now if I wasn't afraid of getting the RRoD. But face facts, JRPG's would sell more on the PS3 and everyone knows it, lemmings included even though they won't admit it. But it's true, guaranteed if White Knight Chronicles gets the same score as IU it will sell hundreds of thousands in Japan.

Explain why Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia (360) has sold more than Valkria Chronicles (PS3) in Japan.

Blue Dragon had Hironobu Sakaguchi (Creator of the classic Final Fantasys) and Akira Toriyama (The artist for Dragonball, Dragon Quest, and Chrono Trigger) behind the helm. Tales of Vesperia was a sequel to an established franchise. Valkyria is a new IP. Take it as damage control if you want, but those two games had more going for it.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Delsage"]

Hey! Is TLR even out on the PS3 right now? Didn't think so. We can't tell how well that will do until it's out for at least a couple of months, but judging on how Bad it is I doubt it will do well at all, on any console. However IU was decent, and it didn't even break 100,000.

Also I am not a "fanboy" I would even own a 360 by now if I wasn't afraid of getting the RRoD. But face facts, JRPG's would sell more on the PS3 and everyone knows it, lemmings included even though they won't admit it. But it's true, guaranteed if White Knight Chronicles gets the same score as IU it will sell hundreds of thousands in Japan.

Lionheart08

Explain why Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia (360) has sold more than Valkria Chronicles (PS3) in Japan.

Blue Dragon had Hironobu Sakaguchi (Creator of the classic Final Fantasys) and Akira Toriyama (The artist for Dragonball, Dragon Quest, and Chrono Trigger) behind the helm. Tales of Vesperia was a sequel to an established franchise. Valkyria is a new IP. Take it as damage control if you want, but those two games had more going for it.

on the other hand the PS3 has more then twice the userbase doesn't it?

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
Yellow_Rose

If Square wants to make more money, then remake FF7 for PS3 (port it to 360/PC if they want). I'll buy all three copies just so Square makes more money from it.PandaBear86

If Square Enix (not Square) does that then its over. They will have solidified the remake plan and once it sells don't ever expect much in anything new again. Sure it will be a bandaid but it will hamper them in the long run. This remake, spinoff, port crap isn't going to work. They need a new strategy.

[QUOTE="jakarai"][QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Hey i dont blame them, but the effects for gamers are being felt, the hardcore industry has been ruinedFirstDiscovery

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Explain why Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia (360) has sold more than Valkria Chronicles (PS3) in Japan.

st1ka

Blue Dragon had Hironobu Sakaguchi (Creator of the classic Final Fantasys) and Akira Toriyama (The artist for Dragonball, Dragon Quest, and Chrono Trigger) behind the helm. Tales of Vesperia was a sequel to an established franchise. Valkyria is a new IP. Take it as damage control if you want, but those two games had more going for it.

on the other hand the PS3 has more then twice the userbase doesn't it?

Let me count the PS3 JRPGs:

Valkyria Chronicles which I already explained.
Disgaea 3 which is already part of a niche franchise.
Folklore: Seriously this game get any hype?

I'm not exactly surprised none of them are top sellers. :P

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

BTW guys, remember Square-Enix saying this:

"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them.  But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much." - LINK
Lionheart08

Why do people expect PS3s few rpg to sell well. Even most PS2 rpg didn't sell good. There was no major hype for Disgaea 3, Cross Edge, and Valkyria Chronicles in Japan. Unlike MS's hype behind 360's jrpg. The few PS3 rpg weren't hyped nor were they bundled. People see the word jrpg and PS3 and they expect it to sell. Stereotype imo, just because its an rpg doesn't mean it'll sell. If the first PS3 jrpg thats getting hype and bundled in Japan known as White Knight Chronicles doesn't sell well then you'll have a valid argument.WatchmenWatchUs

Wait wtf Edge is the WWE champion?  

[QUOTE="WatchmenWatchUs"]Why do people expect PS3s few rpg to sell well. Even most PS2 rpg didn't sell good. There was no major hype for Disgaea 3, Cross Edge, and Valkyria Chronicles in Japan. Unlike MS's hype behind 360's jrpg. The few PS3 rpg weren't hyped nor were they bundled. People see the word jrpg and PS3 and they expect it to sell. Stereotype imo, just because its an rpg doesn't mean it'll sell. If the first PS3 jrpg thats getting hype and bundled in Japan known as White Knight Chronicles doesn't sell well then you'll have a valid argument.Blackbond

Wait wtf Edge is the WWE champion?  

[QUOTE="WatchmenWatchUs"]Why do people expect PS3s few rpg to sell well. Even most PS2 rpg didn't sell good. There was no major hype for Disgaea 3, Cross Edge, and Valkyria Chronicles in Japan. Unlike MS's hype behind 360's jrpg. The few PS3 rpg weren't hyped nor were they bundled. People see the word jrpg and PS3 and they expect it to sell. Stereotype imo, just because its an rpg doesn't mean it'll sell. If the first PS3 jrpg thats getting hype and bundled in Japan known as White Knight Chronicles doesn't sell well then you'll have a valid argument.Blackbond

Wait wtf Edge is the WWE champion?  

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="WatchmenWatchUs"]Why do people expect PS3s few rpg to sell well. Even most PS2 rpg didn't sell good. There was no major hype for Disgaea 3, Cross Edge, and Valkyria Chronicles in Japan. Unlike MS's hype behind 360's jrpg. The few PS3 rpg weren't hyped nor were they bundled. People see the word jrpg and PS3 and they expect it to sell. Stereotype imo, just because its an rpg doesn't mean it'll sell. If the first PS3 jrpg thats getting hype and bundled in Japan known as White Knight Chronicles doesn't sell well then you'll have a valid argument.Lionheart08

Wait wtf Edge is the WWE champion?

Well I wish someone else would have won because I'm tired of people disappearing off screen only to come back and win the belt. Aka Cena and Edge. But hell I'd rather see anyone the Champion besides HHH. So cheers I guess. Hopefully this means Chrisitan is going to feud with him when he comes back.

Back on topic Square Enix needs to shape up. 

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

 

Blue Dragon had Hironobu Sakaguchi (Creator of the classic Final Fantasys) and Akira Toriyama (The artist for Dragonball, Dragon Quest, and Chrono Trigger) behind the helm. Tales of Vesperia was a sequel to an established franchise. Valkyria is a new IP. Take it as damage control if you want, but those two games had more going for it.

Lionheart08

on the other hand the PS3 has more then twice the userbase doesn't it?

Let me count the PS3 JRPGs:

Valkyria Chronicles which I already explained.
Disgaea 3 which is already part of a niche franchise.
Folklore: Seriously this game get any hype?

I'm not exactly surprised none of them are top sellers. :P

in truth all of the 360's RPGs are new franchises and didn't get hype worthy of a final fantasy game, so i'm also not surprised of their sales

I guess that SE deserve this.

They are only releasing remakes and spinoffs for the DS and PSP. 

They have released few NEW IP or MAIN GAMES, and they few they released were only on 360. What about the PS3?

However i'm sure that FF13 will sell a lot, and FF13 versus will sell a lot too.

That's what you get when you make average games to a non rpg console.

Square should have stuck with PS3 and ported to the 360 if needed, not the other way around.  

I'm glad this is happening.