Square Enix's biggest mistake ever could be them backing 360

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]Um isnt it fact that the 360 usually sells more software then the ps3 almost all the time? Why don't we look at grand theft auto sales on both systems? Why didn't you post that? Isn't Final fantasy a pretty popular game? Maybe not as much as GTA but it is up there I would think no?HuusAsking

Ummm you do know the game is still coming out for the PS3 right? Their is no snub. There are also FF games coming out on the PSP. How do you know that Microsoft hasn't invested in SquareEnix as well. They could easily invest more then what Sony could invest in SquareEnix.

You don't know what your talking about. Everything you are saying is just guess work and your opinion on the subject. How is having FFXIII on 2 platforms a bad thing? SquareEnix is going to make twice the amount of money then they normally would have with the game just on the PS3.

blackace

To counter paragraph two, what about potential PS3 sales riding on FF13 as they have with MGS4? Also, what about homeland alienation (see first paragraph counter) that may make Japanese gamers not buy S-E games for any platform (cut off the nose to spite the face, sort of), resulting in potentially less return than if they had stuck with one platform.

[QUOTE="NuclearFreedom"]

plus sony would get profit for every 360 version of ff13 is sold

nervmeister

At what point did making more money become a mistake ?:lol:

[QUOTE="NuclearFreedom"]

plus sony would get profit for every 360 version of ff13 is sold

nervmeister

well im guessing since sony has shares from squareenix

[QUOTE="blackace"]

Ummm you do know the game is still coming out for the PS3 right? Their is no snub. There are also FF games coming out on the PSP. How do you know that Microsoft hasn't invested in SquareEnix as well. They could easily invest more then what Sony could invest in SquareEnix.

You don't know what your talking about. Everything you are saying is just guess work and your opinion on the subject. How is having FFXIII on 2 platforms a bad thing? SquareEnix is going to make twice the amount of money then they normally would have with the game just on the PS3.

HuusAsking

To counter paragraph two, what about potential PS3 sales riding on FF13 as they have with MGS4? Also, what about homeland alienation (see first paragraph counter) that may make Japanese gamers not buy S-E games for any platform (cut off the nose to spite the face, sort of), resulting in potentially less return than if they had stuck with one platform.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

Ummm you do know the game is still coming out for the PS3 right? Their is no snub. There are also FF games coming out on the PSP. How do you know that Microsoft hasn't invested in SquareEnix as well. They could easily invest more then what Sony could invest in SquareEnix.

You don't know what your talking about. Everything you are saying is just guess work and your opinion on the subject. How is having FFXIII on 2 platforms a bad thing? SquareEnix is going to make twice the amount of money then they normally would have with the game just on the PS3.

HuusAsking

Not always it is possible for a firma to choose its investors. By the way, MS could have bought 20% of SE stocks, and nobody would know. Besides, FFXIII coming to the 360 (plus exclusives and a timed exclusive) shows that both MS and SE have a good relationship.

To counter paragraph two, what about potential PS3 sales riding on FF13 as they have with MGS4? Also, what about homeland alienation (see first paragraph counter) that may make Japanese gamers not buy S-E games for any platform (cut off the nose to spite the face, sort of), resulting in potentially less return than if they had stuck with one platform.

Come on. FF is almost a religion in Japan. Do you really think they are stop buying it just because in other continents it is avalaible in another console? Absolutely unlikely.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

Development costs for second platform + possible exclusivity deal < Sales on second platform = Multiplat

RK-Mara

Not to mention the massive amount of money Microsoft paid for the multiplat deal.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="NuclearFreedom"]

plus sony would get profit for every 360 version of ff13 is sold

HuusAsking

Ironic, but true. Isn't that funny?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="NuclearFreedom"]

plus sony would get profit for every 360 version of ff13 is sold

IronBass

Ironic, but true. Isn't that funny?

somewhat, everyone wins

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="odin2019"]Someone mentioned that SE's stock droped by like 20% or something earlier in this thread I think it was like page 9 or 10. Anyway if thats the case its a perfect oppertunity for sony to buy some shares to reach the 51% so they have majority of votes whenever a decision comes up in that company...in other words complete control over what SE does.odin2019

Of course thats why they should of made some deal where if FFXIII goes multiplat they get a hold of more shares so everyone benefits.

There has got to be a way to get more shares forcefully but legally like buying up their good software artists and what not and combining those people with the people at SCEA to make an rpg.

Who else owns SE?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="blackace"]

Ummm you do know the game is still coming out for the PS3 right? Their is no snub. There are also FF games coming out on the PSP. How do you know that Microsoft hasn't invested in SquareEnix as well. They could easily invest more then what Sony could invest in SquareEnix.

You don't know what your talking about. Everything you are saying is just guess work and your opinion on the subject. How is having FFXIII on 2 platforms a bad thing? SquareEnix is going to make twice the amount of money then they normally would have with the game just on the PS3.

IronBass

Not always it is possible for a firma to choose its investors. By the way, MS could have bought 20% of SE stocks, and nobody would know. Besides, FFXIII coming to the 360 (plus exclusives and a timed exclusive) shows that both MS and SE have a good relationship.

To counter paragraph two, what about potential PS3 sales riding on FF13 as they have with MGS4? Also, what about homeland alienation (see first paragraph counter) that may make Japanese gamers not buy S-E games for any platform (cut off the nose to spite the face, sort of), resulting in potentially less return than if they had stuck with one platform.

Come on. FF is almost a religion in Japan. Do you really think they are stop buying it just because in other continents it is avalaible in another console? Absolutely unlikely.

The propaganda from Fanfolk always numbs my head,

From the Tweenagers I expect this, but Amy you are a University student and should know better.

If Square had pulled Sony support and gone exclusive to Microsoft by all means, but the bottom-line is that Sony does not have nearly a 100 million console lead this generation and while PS3 may surpass the 360 sooner or later with the release of Gears of War 2 later this year and the fanfare that will be attached to that, when the years shakes out in terms of who sold more consoles Wii will be WAY ahead and PS3 and 360 and the difference between the two will be present but hardly earth shattering.

This generation the masses are far more divided then at anytime that Square has supported Sony during the Console Wars, and while every console loyalist will float theories about console X being 100 million ahead when the smoke clears, realistically this generation is going to be a lot closer then the last two were judging by the sales patterns over the last few years. PS3 may be gaining but to think it has the momentum to basically stop sales of the 360 when you have the follow up to the second best selling game on the console coming in November, coupled with the release of Fable 2 which regardless of our personal feelings is the follow up to the 4th best selling Xbox game, and the second best selling Xbox game not called Halo.

The fact that PS3 is selling very well the month that the most highly antisipated game for the console was finally released is nice, but unless the PS3 outsells the 360 in November and December by a wide margin which with Gears and Fable may be a tall task, the reality is that once again the PS3/360 battle will basically be "Coke Vs. Pepsi" a close battle with no clear winner.

Square wanted to make sure that the franchise they have been very successful with over the last few years and over the past few console generations continues to reach as many gamers as possible, and the reality is that with no clear cut winner in the "High end console" race between the PS3 and 360 which I imagine are the only two consoles that could run FFXIII, Square had to make a judgement call.

So they opted to offer the game to both PS3 owners and 360 owners which will help soften the blow from the fact that Final Fantasy XIII will not be available on the console that has the most users being the Nintendo Wii.

PS3 stumbled out of the gates in terms of sales, Square/Enix has put a lot of time and effort into this game and to release it to a console base of just 20 million? 25 million or whatever the PS3 may be it when FFXIII is released would be brutal when in the past they have released it in a console with two to three times that amount of units sold at least.

With large developer studios being eatten alive by bigger firms Square/Enix made the best choice they could given the situation and that was to broaden their userbase.

Anyone who feels that that was a poor business choice us too far gone in the realm of fanboydom to even bother with.

With large developer studios being eatten alive by bigger firms Square/Enix made the best choice they could given the situation and that was to broaden their userbase.

Anyone who feels that that was a poor business choice us too far gone in the realm of fanboydom to even bother with.

cosmostein77

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="blackace"]

Ummm you do know the game is still coming out for the PS3 right? Their is no snub. There are also FF games coming out on the PSP. How do you know that Microsoft hasn't invested in SquareEnix as well. They could easily invest more then what Sony could invest in SquareEnix.

You don't know what your talking about. Everything you are saying is just guess work and your opinion on the subject. How is having FFXIII on 2 platforms a bad thing? SquareEnix is going to make twice the amount of money then they normally would have with the game just on the PS3.

HuusAsking

Not always it is possible for a firma to choose its investors. By the way, MS could have bought 20% of SE stocks, and nobody would know. Besides, FFXIII coming to the 360 (plus exclusives and a timed exclusive) shows that both MS and SE have a good relationship.

To counter paragraph two, what about potential PS3 sales riding on FF13 as they have with MGS4? Also, what about homeland alienation (see first paragraph counter) that may make Japanese gamers not buy S-E games for any platform (cut off the nose to spite the face, sort of), resulting in potentially less return than if they had stuck with one platform.

Come on. FF is almost a religion in Japan. Do you really think they are stop buying it just because in other continents it is avalaible in another console? Absolutely unlikely.

I'd never discuss how INTENSE (yup, with big letters) the national pride in Japan is. But I don't think it will be a preoblem, becasue FFXIII is still exclusive in Japan (smart move of SE), so I don't think it will be a problem. Besides, FfXIII is GOD there, in the worst case, I'm sure they would make an exception.

SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?Kahuna_1

What?

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?Gamerman12362

What?

Haha MS paid to have it go multiplat outside of Japan.

SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?Kahuna_1

Um first of all SO4 is exclusive atleast until its release date of '09. In all honesty a game such as FF will sell a hell of a lot more than that figure you spued out. Secondly it would be in Square's benefit to sell on both systems considering that would push more quantities to be sold, you fanboys really have to get off this whole money bit. Its common sense, you run a business you want money are you going to sit here and say "ohhhh we have been with Sony for sooo long I think it is time to move on, but it will be really really depressing." Come on really they want money and that is a good way to spread the game out to a broader user base to make more money.

but Amy you are a University student

cosmostein77

Or so she says. Compulsive liars tend to lie... compulsively :o

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?xscrapzx

Um first of all SO4 is exclusive atleast until its release date of '09. In all honesty a game such as FF will sell a hell of a lot more than that figure you spued out. Secondly it would be in Square's benefit to sell on both systems considering that would push more quantities to be sold, you fanboys really have to get off this whole money bit. Its common sense, you run a business you want money are you going to sit here and say "ohhhh we have been with Sony for sooo long I think it is time to move on, but it will be really really depressing." Come on really they want money and that is a good way to spread the game out to all users and make more money.

I hold no loyalty to anyone, all the companies can burn for all I care. Second of all, FF sales are slowly declining, I do not even think 10 and 12 sold 5 million, I forgot what the figure said yesterday. And if FF goes multiplat it would only make sense for them to make everything else multiplat.

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?xscrapzx

Um first of all SO4 is exclusive atleast until its release date of '09. In all honesty a game such as FF will sell a hell of a lot more than that figure you spued out. Secondly it would be in Square's benefit to sell on both systems considering that would push more quantities to be sold, you fanboys really have to get off this whole money bit. Its common sense, you run a business you want money are you going to sit here and say "ohhhh we have been with Sony for sooo long I think it is time to move on, but it will be really really depressing." Come on really they want money and that is a good way to spread the game out to a broader user base to make more money.

would have been a mistake not to imo - aren't opinions great Amy?

So you'd perfer it if an entire population of gamers wouldn't be able to play what is one of the greatest RPG franchises of all time? Ugh, typical pathetic fanboy. I couldn't care less about the business involved, I'm happy because I only own a 360 and now I get a chance to continue my tradition of playing every single main series FF game in one form or another.glitchgeeman

[QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

but Amy you are a University student

flatline711

Or so she says. Compulsive liars tend to lie... compulsively :o

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?xscrapzx

Um first of all SO4 is exclusive atleast until its release date of '09. In all honesty a game such as FF will sell a hell of a lot more than that figure you spued out. Secondly it would be in Square's benefit to sell on both systems considering that would push more quantities to be sold, you fanboys really have to get off this whole money bit. Its common sense, you run a business you want money are you going to sit here and say "ohhhh we have been with Sony for sooo long I think it is time to move on, but it will be really really depressing." Come on really they want money and that is a good way to spread the game out to a broader user base to make more money.

Going by what you say they are smart and stupid at the same time. Smart for multiplating FF13 but dumb for giving X360 2 exclusives and 1 timed exclusive.

and maybe even profit out of a console sale.HuusAsking

lol, Sony I don't think makes a profit on their console yet so maybe that is a plus that it won't lose them more money.....yeah I'm sure that is what they were thinking when FF13 announced for X360 lol.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]SE is only doing it because MS throws money at them like they do with all their games. FF13 was going to sell like 5 million on the PS3, with it being multiplat it will probably sell like 6.5 million, my guess is 4.5 million on the PS3 and 2 million on the 360. Expect SO4 to go multiplat by the end of the year as well. The only game that will not is IU because MS bought that right?darthogre

Um first of all SO4 is exclusive atleast until its release date of '09. In all honesty a game such as FF will sell a hell of a lot more than that figure you spued out. Secondly it would be in Square's benefit to sell on both systems considering that would push more quantities to be sold, you fanboys really have to get off this whole money bit. Its common sense, you run a business you want money are you going to sit here and say "ohhhh we have been with Sony for sooo long I think it is time to move on, but it will be really really depressing." Come on really they want money and that is a good way to spread the game out to a broader user base to make more money.

Going by what you say they are smart and stupid at the same time. Smart for multiplating FF13 but dumb for giving X360 2 exclusives and 1 timed exclusive.

I have been hinting at that, but you cannot insult the 360 here so I guess it is only ok for the 360 to have exclusives from what some people post. All 3rd party should just go multiplat because then we would see how great everyones' first party studios are.

So you'd perfer it if an entire population of gamers wouldn't be able to play what is one of the greatest RPG franchises of all time? Ugh, typical pathetic fanboy. I couldn't care less about the business involved, I'm happy because I only own a 360 and now I get a chance to continue my tradition of playing every single main series FF game in one form or another.glitchgeeman

Wait, so Halo is probably one of the greatest FPS franchises of all time.....are you saying Lems are a bunch of fanboys because they don't want Cows to be able to play a PS3 version of it?

Just because it's a great franchise doesn't mean you have a RIGHT to have it on your specific console.

[QUOTE="flatline711"][QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

but Amy you are a University student

AgentA-Mi6

Or so she says. Compulsive liars tend to lie... compulsively :o

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

Oh please don't give me that crap. She brings it upon herself with her narcissistic attitude.

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

AgentA-Mi6

That's because she defended herself into a suspension.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="flatline711"][QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

but Amy you are a University student

flatline711

Or so she says. Compulsive liars tend to lie... compulsively :o

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

Oh please don't give me that crap. She brings it upon herself with her narcissistic attitude.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

Blackbond

That's because she defended herself into a suspension.

Damn it Amy... I Warned You :(

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

Blackbond

That's because she defended herself into a suspension.

really :shock:

I'm gonna stop this right now......

FF13 went to 360, it happened, Deal Widit,

If PS3 is this monster of a console, why is it in last place? It's not likely that 360 sales will just stop. This thread is nothing but cows crying, and damage controlling, just stop, because no it is becoming pathetic looking.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

AgentA-Mi6

That's because she defended herself into a suspension.

Damn it Amy... I Warned You :(

Heh not my fault. Instead of answering and replying to questions she continued to troll other users repeatedly while avoiding every point. I'm not suprised it didn't happen sooner.

But hey I only found out because a lot of people like to PM me about these things for some reason.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

Blackbond

That's because she defended herself into a suspension.

Damn it Amy... I Warned You :(

Heh not my fault. Instead of answering and replying to questions she continued to troll other users repeatedly while avoiding every point. I'm not suprised it didn't happen sooner.

But hey I only found out because a lot of people like to PM me about these things for some reason.

You re a fearsome force on system wars

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Why is everyone getting personal with amy? Let her be she is not even logged to defend herself anymore

Blackbond

That's because she defended herself into a suspension.

Damn it Amy... I Warned You :(

Heh not my fault. Instead of answering and replying to questions she continued to troll other users repeatedly while avoiding every point. I'm not suprised it didn't happen sooner.

But hey I only found out because a lot of people like to PM me about these things for some reason.

Watch, I am going to get another "I am being suspended by a band of thugs" message in my PM box.

Watch, I am going to get another "I am being suspended by a band of thugs" message in my PM box.

Kahuna_1

Only Moderators and Admin's can suspend you.

You re a fearsome force on system wars

AgentA-Mi6

If you only knew the true depths of my power on these boards. Hell you might as well say I have moderation immunity.

*Nah I just know how the system works*

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Watch, I am going to get another "I am being suspended by a band of thugs" message in my PM box.

Blackbond

Only Moderators and Admin's can suspend you.

You re a fearsome force on system wars

AgentA-Mi6

If you only knew the true depths of my power on these boards. Hell you might as well say I have moderation immunity.

*Nah I just know how the system works*

I'm glad not being against you...

If you only knew the true depths of my power on these boards. Hell you might as well say I have moderation immunity.

*Nah I just know how the system works*Blackbond

Tracking... Im curious now

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Watch, I am going to get another "I am being suspended by a band of thugs" message in my PM box.

Blackbond

Only Moderators and Admin's can suspend you.

Yeah, she thought Subrosian(did I spell that right) was the leader of the group and you and a few others were involved in group effort to get the mods to suspend her. I was laughing.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Watch, I am going to get another "I am being suspended by a band of thugs" message in my PM box.

Kahuna_1

Only Moderators and Admin's can suspend you.

Yeah, she thought Subrosian(did I spell that right) was the leader of the group and you and a few others were involved in group effort to get the mods to suspend her. I was laughing.

She actually thinks Subrosian is a mod lol?

Listen I'm not attacking Sub or anything but we don't typically get along. I'd go on a limb to say that if Sub was actually a Mod then yeah I'd have to be more careful about how I post lol.

Its really funny how she lumps us together we in reality we really don't get along all too well. No anamosity its just that hey we don't really get along.

And there is no such thing as people involved in effort to get one suspended. Nobody else is typing on her keyboard besides her.

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Watch, I am going to get another "I am being suspended by a band of thugs" message in my PM box.

Blackbond

Only Moderators and Admin's can suspend you.

Yeah, she thought Subrosian(did I spell that right) was the leader of the group and you and a few others were involved in group effort to get the mods to suspend her. I was laughing.

She actually thinks Subrosian is a mod lol?

Listen I'm not attacking Sub or anything but we don't typically get along. I'd go on a limb to say that if Sub was actually a Mod then yeah I'd have to be more careful about how I post lol.

Its really funny how she lumps us together we in reality we really don't get along all too well. No anamosity its just that hey we don't really get along.

And there is no such thing as people involved in effort to get one suspended. Nobody else is typing on her keyboard besides her.

Haha I think she knew he was not a mod, she just suspected his "band of thugs" to get a mod to suspend her. It was one of her early horrible topics that everyone was chewing out so she just group you all together. It was so funny, I actually responded back to her and she got a mod to delete my message.

People are responsible for their own posts. And everyone is aware there is a zero tolerance policy for flaming in system wars.

Also for the record sub =/= sbfriends, I checked. 8)

If sub were ever to use a false identity we all know it would be a way more pretencious name than that :P