Square Enix's biggest mistake ever could be them backing 360

I don't think the issue is FXIII going multiplat, that's makes perfect sense(hell, with their stock in SE and FFXIII still PS3-exclusive in Japan Sony may even end up making even more money off of a multiplat FFXIII than a PS3-exclusive one), rather it's SO4, LR and IU being 360-exclusive(for at least the time being) that's confusing. However, not that I've read all 25 pages of this thread, maybe people are ignoring Microsoft's most notorious behaviors. It's possible that MS simply payed SE for the exclusives in their ever-futile attempts to win over the Japanese. I really don't see any other explanation.espoac

According to a Sony excutive (I just read it), the way he put it Sony couldn't do anything to prevent FF13 from going to the X360 because they gave a truck load of money to Square.........that's how he put it. Whether or not he is correct IT SEEMS this is the first confirmation from someone that MS has infact been paying Square off in some way to get at least FF13, my guess is the other games were paid for as well.

The TC has an excellent point, and unlike every other post in this forum, actually gives good support for his/her argument.

Of course we always get this huge 30-page flame war ensuing, because 90% of the posters didn't read beyond the topic title, and are just coming here to spew out their fanboyish statements

exactly my point thank you

st1ka

I like the way you pointed out the lack of JRPG sales on the PS2. This definitely changed my attitude to the negative elements others were pointing at about JRPG sales lacking on the 360. It appears they like making these games regardless of the sales. It's a good thing.

don't u people konw that the best way to play a final fantasy game is to play it with a playstation controller?

its just disgusting to play it with a 360 controller

for a start the left analog stick of the PS3 is perfectly positioned for RPGs. you can play for hours at that position.

thats the reason why lost ody and blue dragon had such lousy sales.

MS should start paying sony for Sony's shooters, cause thats what the 360 controller is good for.

Sony should then pay SE for LO, SO4 and other RPGs

so far there are only 2 JRPGs on the PS3, Folklore and Disgaea 3 (correct me if im wrong) eternal sonata sold better then both of them

so far i dont agree with you

although i will tell you this: FF 13 will sell better on the PS3 i have no doubts about that

but on the other hand: no SE games will sell better on the 360

this is my prediction, call it a crystal ball prediction if you want

st1ka

I wouldn't be quick with that prediction. People were predicting recently the new iphone would not sell out & it did. But basically people who have been waiting for FF13, no longer have to purchase a PS3 in order to play the game. I know at least one person who has been waiting for the FF13 game to come out before buying a PS3. Now he doesn't have to. He can buy the 360 if he wants & play it there.

And what is this talk of "port"? So far, history shows us that people port to the PS3 from the 360 because the 360 is easier to develop for. I would not be surprised if the 360 version of the product was being developed in parallel with the PS3 version.

EDIT: removed not in "being developed in parallel" with..

The only reason PS3 sales have gone up recently is MGS4. Give it a month or two and it'll be back down to regulatr levels.

vashkey

Hasn't Ps3 been outselling 360 worldwidely since last year?

I don't think the issue is FXIII going multiplat, that's makes perfect sense(hell, with their stock in SE and FFXIII still PS3-exclusive in Japan Sony may even end up making even more money off of a multiplat FFXIII than a PS3-exclusive one), rather it's SO4, LR and IU being 360-exclusive(for at least the time being) that's confusing. However, not that I've read all 25 pages of this thread, maybe people are ignoring Microsoft's most notorious behaviors. It's possible that MS simply payed SE for the exclusives in their ever-futile attempts to win over the Japanese. I really don't see any other explanation.espoac

I wouldn't be quick with that prediction. People were predicting recently the new iphone would not sell out & it did. But basically people who have been waiting for FF13, no longer have to purchase a PS3 in order to play the game. I know at least one person who has been waiting for the FF13 game to come out before buying a PS3. Now he doesn't have to. He can buy the 360 if he wants & play it there.

And what is this talk of "port"? So far, history shows us that people port to the PS3 from the 360 because the 360 is easier to develop for. I would not be surprised if the 360 version of the product was not being developed in parallel with the PS3 version.

jknight5422

I would say yes, IF they had no other RPG's on 360, but the fact that FF13 is coming on 360, and Star Ocean 4 and stuff like that means, people who want RPG's will buy the 360, take Japan where 360 is lagging behind, they would've still stuck with PS3 just for FF13 and missed the other RPG's, but now, they'll buy 360's because they know they can get FF13 when it comes out.bobbetybob

I do believe FFXIII isn't coming out on the 360 in Japan.

[QUOTE="espoac"]I don't think the issue is FXIII going multiplat, that's makes perfect sense(hell, with their stock in SE and FFXIII still PS3-exclusive in Japan Sony may even end up making even more money off of a multiplat FFXIII than a PS3-exclusive one), rather it's SO4, LR and IU being 360-exclusive(for at least the time being) that's confusing. However, not that I've read all 25 pages of this thread, maybe people are ignoring Microsoft's most notorious behaviors. It's possible that MS simply payed SE for the exclusives in their ever-futile attempts to win over the Japanese. I really don't see any other explanation.HuusAsking

I was thinking about that too....it's strange because Sony had loyalty to Square back when they had financial problems. That's why Sony owns so much of their stock. It's rather weird that the Japanese developers have seemed to shun the PS3 over the X360........I didn't think that would ever happen. Maybe the Japanese companies are changing with the times.....cut throat like the US companies and do away with that honor and loyalty stuff.

most final fantasy games have sold Significantly more in japan than in north america. this doesn't make much sense, but then again, ever since square merged with enix, they have always been more about making money than making games.mistervengeance

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]i don't really understand how that could be a mistake having a multi plat as big as FF i mean 70% of north american owns a 360 over PS3.AmyMizuno

Square-Enix is:

1) Snubbing their nose in their third largest investor, Sony. If Sony wanted to harm Square Enix, they are in a position to do so by undervaluing their stock. This would be a bigger hit to Square-Enix than would be a bank failure.

2) Spending money on exclusive titles on the 360, which will not well well and will end up costing more money to make and port than they will return.

most final fantasy games have sold Significantly more in japan than in north america. this doesn't make much sense, but then again, ever since square merged with enix, they have always been more about making money than making games.mistervengeance

[QUOTE="espoac"]I don't think the issue is FXIII going multiplat, that's makes perfect sense(hell, with their stock in SE and FFXIII still PS3-exclusive in Japan Sony may even end up making even more money off of a multiplat FFXIII than a PS3-exclusive one), rather it's SO4, LR and IU being 360-exclusive(for at least the time being) that's confusing. However, not that I've read all 25 pages of this thread, maybe people are ignoring Microsoft's most notorious behaviors. It's possible that MS simply payed SE for the exclusives in their ever-futile attempts to win over the Japanese. I really don't see any other explanation.darthogre

According to a Sony excutive (I just read it), the way he put it Sony couldn't do anything to prevent FF13 from going to the X360 because they gave a truck load of money to Square.........that's how he put it. Whether or not he is correct IT SEEMS this is the first confirmation from someone that MS has infact been paying Square off in some way to get at least FF13, my guess is the other games were paid for as well.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="espoac"]I don't think the issue is FXIII going multiplat, that's makes perfect sense(hell, with their stock in SE and FFXIII still PS3-exclusive in Japan Sony may even end up making even more money off of a multiplat FFXIII than a PS3-exclusive one), rather it's SO4, LR and IU being 360-exclusive(for at least the time being) that's confusing. However, not that I've read all 25 pages of this thread, maybe people are ignoring Microsoft's most notorious behaviors. It's possible that MS simply payed SE for the exclusives in their ever-futile attempts to win over the Japanese. I really don't see any other explanation.Red_sox_fans

According to a Sony excutive (I just read it), the way he put it Sony couldn't do anything to prevent FF13 from going to the X360 because they gave a truck load of money to Square.........that's how he put it. Whether or not he is correct IT SEEMS this is the first confirmation from someone that MS has infact been paying Square off in some way to get at least FF13, my guess is the other games were paid for as well.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]most final fantasy games have sold Significantly more in japan than in north america. this doesn't make much sense, but then again, ever since square merged with enix, they have always been more about making money than making games.HuusAsking

are we forgetting that M$ puts money down for these rpgs.

eklineage

That's a theory. I don't know if it's true or not. It could be that they just actually want to produce games for the 360 because they like the platform & want to sell to that base.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]most final fantasy games have sold Significantly more in japan than in north america. this doesn't make much sense, but then again, ever since square merged with enix, they have always been more about making money than making games.Jandurin

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]I would say yes, IF they had no other RPG's on 360, but the fact that FF13 is coming on 360, and Star Ocean 4 and stuff like that means, people who want RPG's will buy the 360, take Japan where 360 is lagging behind, they would've still stuck with PS3 just for FF13 and missed the other RPG's, but now, they'll buy 360's because they know they can get FF13 when it comes out.inertk

I do believe FFXIII isn't coming out on the 360 in Japan.

Even if it were comming, MS has been agressively pushing japanese oriented games from day one but has found nothing but failure in the japanese market. I don't think even FF, which is a series that has been gradually decrasing in sales and popularity for the past 10 years(a reflection of SE downfall aswell) will have a big impact in japan.

One has said, "Not even Dragon Quest could save 360 in Japan" and you can easly reach that conclusion with all games that were supposed to "conquer japan" but failed miserably.

Haven't VGChartz's charts have an unhealthy tendency to drift? Anyway, if NA's potential return is even reasonably close to that of Japan, then S-E is making a savvy move to capitalize on the NA market (and this is one reason Enix merged with Square--Square's more aware of the American market).HuusAsking

The downfall of SE has been prophesied by many, their latest moves(supporting 360 exclusively with so many games that don't recoup costs) could be their demise.

Contrary to popular belief, MS doesn't have an infinite ammout of cash to keep paying for games that don't turn out profits and for SE to rely on MS as their sugar-daddy is a really bad decision(as It was when they released Spirits Whitin flop and went on Sony payroll, but the setting that time didn't troubled them).

Team Ninja has disolved and Mistwalk is jumping in the Nintendo bandwagon.

While 360 certainly has the best library and the best online service(altough I wouldn't pay for it no matter what) but MS way of doind business has a way of pissing a LOT of people.

lordxymor

This is entirely inaccurate. How is bringing a big name game like FF13 upsetting Mr. Softy customers? The only people getting angry are the cows because they've lost the holy grail. Now it sounds like we will start to hear about the coming fall of SE because they have reached out to put their game on all consoles besides the PS3! Stating that SE is going out of business based on lack of quality in their games because they are moving multi-platform is completely anecdotal. Give me real evidence to support your statement.

The only thing that could support the argument is if FF13 is released and then flops.

Every post I've seen you make is anti 360 and stupid.

Fail just fail.

[QUOTE="eklineage"]

are we forgetting that M$ puts money down for these rpgs.

jknight5422

That's a theory. I don't know if it's true or not. It could be that they just actually want to produce games for the 360 because they like the platform & want to sell to that base.

it's a fact that MGS was copublishing Infinate Undiscovery at one time.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]most final fantasy games have sold Significantly more in japan than in north america. this doesn't make much sense, but then again, ever since square merged with enix, they have always been more about making money than making games.Jandurin

Yep, you are correct. Why people seem to think japan owns FF in sales.......not really. The US is almost equal in sales to Japan. With FF13 being multiplat, this title has a more than decent shot more in the US than in Japan.

Naw, Squares biggest msitake was green lighting Final Fantasy The Spirits Within and then allowing Sony to market the movie. After the movie bombed worldwide, it allowed Sony to sneak in and buy 20% of a stake in the company. Too bad cows just come to grip with the fact SE finally saw the light and realized supprtinting the 360 is a better idea...AlphaGamer469

You just did not blame Sony for FF Sprits Within for failing did you? lol, that is just too funny. Like if Warner was promoting FF it would have done better...riiiiiiight.

I see FFXIII selling more on the PS3 than the 360. Slightly more.

The rest of the exclusive games they've given to the 360 don't make much sense to me, especially as they did say they're not favouring any console -- why aren't the other games multiplatform too. Confusing, especially since they won't sell as great in Japan.

Obvious solution here is just to put it all on the Wii.

inertk

It makes sense to me. The 360 is easier to develop for. The game developers are extremely happy with how to generate a game on a 360 box, it has been stated many times before. Dealing with "cutting edge" tech on the PS3 is cumbersome & time-consuming & it seems to be producing more frustration, hence they want to make games for the 360 without having to deal with the difficulties of the PS3. It still makes for a blu-ray player at least.

[QUOTE="flatline711"][QUOTE="jknight5422"]

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]This is good... :) Lots of fun, Amy brings light into SW. Really it's always so boring, mundane and too calm, she stirs up a storm and it's great. :D CreepyBacon

It's nice to see she has a cheerleading squad. But honestly, it's not really funny. It's kind of annoying & the next time she poses a thought, I certainly will not waste 2-3 paragraphs replying to it since we all know its nothing but wankage.

LOL.

Honestly I'd prefer it if all her topics where just bright green, i don't often read the authors name and I'd rather skip right over her dribble.

Based on her writings, I don't think she's in college. Maybe a teen or pre-teen person we are dealing wit.

A quick look at 360 software sales tells you quite quickly that it would be a big mistake for any third party to ignore the 360 at this point. The userbase just keeps buying more and more games.Teufelhuhn

Um isnt it fact that the 360 usually sells more software then the ps3 almost all the time? Why don't we look at grand theft auto sales on both systems? Why didn't you post that? Isn't Final fantasy a pretty popular game? Maybe not as much as GTA but it is up there I would think no?xscrapzx

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]Um isnt it fact that the 360 usually sells more software then the ps3 almost all the time? Why don't we look at grand theft auto sales on both systems? Why didn't you post that? Isn't Final fantasy a pretty popular game? Maybe not as much as GTA but it is up there I would think no?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]Um isnt it fact that the 360 usually sells more software then the ps3 almost all the time? Why don't we look at grand theft auto sales on both systems? Why didn't you post that? Isn't Final fantasy a pretty popular game? Maybe not as much as GTA but it is up there I would think no?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="jknight5422"]

I wouldn't be quick with that prediction. People were predicting recently the new iphone would not sell out & it did. But basically people who have been waiting for FF13, no longer have to purchase a PS3 in order to play the game. I know at least one person who has been waiting for the FF13 game to come out before buying a PS3. Now he doesn't have to. He can buy the 360 if he wants & play it there.

And what is this talk of "port"? So far, history shows us that people port to the PS3 from the 360 because the 360 is easier to develop for. I would not be surprised if the 360 version of the product was not being developed in parallel with the PS3 version.

HuusAsking

If FF13 for Xbox 360 is going to be released on time, then they were probably writing 360 code for it the whole time.

hey, you guys are known to buy games and alot of you tend to just blow them off for games likes....um...the ones with guns. judging buy sales and xbox 360 install. Think about how much halo sold and tell me why LO couldn't get a mill.

ff7isnumbaone

Look at the sales of CoD4 for PS3 and RFOM man. Shooters are the new poular thing. Hence why Sony is concentrating on them rather then JRPGS. MAG, RFOM, RFOM2, KZ2.

Hey you guys? Well if you're talking about 360 owners there are more million sellers of different variety then the PS3. Don't be like Amy and think that all 360 owners buy is shooters because your factually wrong. There are lots of million sellers that aren't shooters.

And you realize that JRPGS are a niche genre right now right?

Naw, Squares biggest msitake was green lighting Final Fantasy The Spirits Within and then allowing Sony to market the movie. After the movie bombed worldwide, it allowed Sony to sneak in and buy 20% of a stake in the company. Too bad cows just come to grip with the fact SE finally saw the light and realized supprtinting the 360 is a better idea...AlphaGamer469

Wait, so, did you actually read what the TC had in his post? With the numbers from RPG sales on the 360? I'm with Espoac (posted a couple pages back) in that developing FFXIII for the 360 was a good choice. SE has been in the red for a bit, and they need any extra profit they can make on their flagship title. Also cooking up a sweet exclusive like Infinite Undiscovery is just MS doing a little investment to boost sales in Japan (similar strategy with Blue Dragon imo). But SO4 and The Last Remnant appearing first on the 360 and SO4 not even announced for PS3 yet? Absolutely retarded move by SE, they may just have pushed themselves back into the red with this one.

But no worries, SE will learn from their mistakes as soon as the sales numbers come back in for SO4 and The Last Remnant on the 360 (if the trend of RPG sales on the 360 continues).

If FF13 for Xbox 360 is going to be released on time, then they were probably writing 360 code for it the whole time.

jknight5422

I seriously doubt that........it will not be released until 2010 IMO because of this. Maybe a Nov/Dec 09 release if MS helped them with developement. If Japan doesn't get it this year, it will not release in the other markets until 2010.

I was thinking about that too....it's strange because Sony had loyalty to Square back when they had financial problems. That's why Sony owns so much of their stock. It's rather weird that the Japanese developers have seemed to shun the PS3 over the X360........I didn't think that would ever happen. Maybe the Japanese companies are changing with the times.....cut throat like the US companies and do away with that honor and loyalty stuff.

darthogre

No, I think it's a case of getting out from under. They're tired of Sorny's thumb on top of them.

[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]

hey, you guys are known to buy games and alot of you tend to just blow them off for games likes....um...the ones with guns. judging buy sales and xbox 360 install. Think about how much halo sold and tell me why LO couldn't get a mill.

Blackbond

Look at the sales of CoD4 for PS3 and RFOM man. Shooters are the new poular thing. Hence why Sony is concentrating on them rather then JRPGS. MAG, RFOM, RFOM2, KZ2.

Hey you guys? Well if you're talking about 360 owners there are more million sellers of different variety then the PS3. Don't be like Amy and think that all 360 owners buy is shooters because your factually wrong. There are lots of million sellers that aren't shooters.

And you realize that JRPGS are a niche genre right now right?

[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]

hey, you guys are known to buy games and alot of you tend to just blow them off for games likes....um...the ones with guns. judging buy sales and xbox 360 install. Think about how much halo sold and tell me why LO couldn't get a mill.

Blackbond

Look at the sales of CoD4 for PS3 and RFOM man. Shooters are the new poular thing. Hence why Sony is concentrating on them rather then JRPGS. MAG, RFOM, RFOM2, KZ2.

The games you mentioned are only western based Sony games, at TGS Sony will show what their Japanese studios are creating fo the PS3. I doubt Team Ico will be making a shooter