Square Enix's biggest mistake ever could be them backing 360

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#451 Adonymous
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SE says that they will treat all consoles fairly if my memory serves me right. We'll just see how this goes.

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#452 NielsNL
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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="st1ka"] like i said SE games will sell better on the PS3 non SE games will sell better on the 360 this is my predictionJLF1

I doubt that.



We don't know how it will end but JRPGs devs having their games on multiple consoles can only help them.

That's a whole different discussion. I think with time multiplat will be pretty much standard when speaking of 3rd party games, The only exclusives we'll see will be 1st and 2nd party. Caused by the higher cost of game development nowadays. There's nothing wrong with games going multiplat though IMO. I may prefer the PS3, but I personally don't care and wasn't surprised by FF going multiplat. What does surprise me is the exclusives for 360 SE is developing. If MS did pay for it it's understandable, but if they didn't I think it's a very strange move.

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[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="sbfriends"]

You have a very poor understanding of corporations law.

A company exists to serve itself. As such, a company that is benefiting itself is benefiting it's investors.

One of the most basic priniciples is to avoid conflicts of interest, and here is a prime example of why any company (take Square) wouldn't bend over backwards to help an investor (Sony), when that action would be detrimental to its own business. This action goes against other investors, and is by and large, and to put it simply for your sake, a no-no.

As for suggesting hostile takeovers? Do you even understand the theory behind them, or are you just assuming investors can throw money at a problem, and for other investors to sell off their shares (which, can only happen in certain situations).

You should spend less time caring about trivial issues you know nothing about, and more time off the internet.

subrosian

Amy is a freshman CS student, not a business person, her belief about investing, profit, business law, business management, and finance are reflective of that lack of education. That's not to insult her, it's simply a reality than an MBA / MIS / whatever should know: people without formal training / experience in these areas generally say things that make little sense to those with that experience / education.

Maybe you shouldn't start assuming again that you know what my educational background consists of. Last time you did that, it started a huge flame war and the moderators had to come in and delete the topic.

Anyway, takeovers aren't the same in Japan as they are in the United States because of the Keiretsu. Sony however, is not a part of the Keiretsu. Did you read what I said above, or are you just trying to troll?

I only know what you claim Amy.

Anyway, I'm a college student currently studying Software Engineering. I wouldn't admit this on the public forums, but I'm only a freshmen =P, so I'm not quite as knowledgable as I pretend to be xD. Anyway, thanks for correcting me, and I hope to be able to program XNA some day when I become more knowledgable.

AmyMizuno

*shrugs* if you were lying to me then I do apologize. And I don't troll Amy, accusing people of trolling in your posts, and calling people "ban-dodgers" though is trolling. I'm not reporting it here, of course, I don't think that's a good way to resolve a dispute, and I have no intention of insulting your intelligence, but I would like you to clarify how you're qualified to talk on this issue?

I don't think being able to pull things off Wikipedia is quite the same as being an expert in International Business. As a claimed "software engineer" you'd probably agree with the statement that it takes a few years to really "get" stuff like object-oriented programming, and what all that really "means", no matter how smart you are.

What you're doing here is implying that you, a college freshman, are smarter than the dozens of world-c1ass business executives with years of formal education and decades of experience. I mean, really? That's a rather bold claim.

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And of course if you're not a college freshman / were making something up there y'know you're more than welcome to update us with the correct information regarding your background. I of course don't want to be inaccurate about your experience.

Wow. Talk about having a history together. :lol: Amy's entitled to her opinion, but I think rather than discrediting her, it's easier to simply point out the simple facts. I'm no business or MBA person but I am a stock investor with 10 years experience investing & watching how acquisitions & the actions of companies work, & looking at all the business relationships these companies have to see that Sorny will not take action against a game company. In my own opinion, I think a buyout would be a sign of weakness & fear.

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there also backing the PS3 (and possibly the PC soon....who knows at this stage?). either way square win. any potential backlash from fanboys regarding backing the PS3 will be minimal....when FF13 is released they will still get it on whatever platform they want.
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#455 eklineage
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[QUOTE="eklineage"]

SE says that they will treat all consoles fairly if my memory serves me right. We'll just see how this goes.

Adonymous

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im looking more into TGS and that square enix event. DKSsomething something lol.

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#456 NielsNL
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Wow. Talk about having a history together. :lol: Amy's entitled to her opinion, but I think rather than discrediting her, it's easier to simply point out the simple facts. I'm no business or MBA person but I am a stock investor with 10 years experience investing & watching how acquisitions & the actions of companies work, & looking at all the business relationships these companies have to see that Sorny will not take action against a game company. In my own opinion, I think a buyout would be a sign of weakness & fear.

jknight5422

Can't you just use the companies' proper names?

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#457 darthogre
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SE says that they will treat all consoles fairly if my memory serves me right. We'll just see how this goes.

eklineage

No I believe the quote was more they didn't want to give Sony a big advantage over everyone else so they were spreading the weatlh........this was in response to people questioning why they went X360 exclusive and timed exclusive with a lot of their games recently.

Actually that statement doesn't really make any sense now.......everyone thought X360 was being favored because PS3 had FF13 exclusive. Now that it doesn't, it seems to me X360 is the one console that has a super advantage over the other......which is exactly what they said they were trying to avoid lol. $$$ talks I guess.

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#458 jknight5422
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That post was written by me over 6 months ago today. I even know who I was talking to, Teuf. Anyway, sometimes corporate executives begin to lose touch with reality. I think the average person, not only myself probably has a better grounding than most MBAs out there today.

AmyMizuno

LOL! Ok, now I know this must be a joke thread.

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there also backing the PS3 (and possibly the PC soon....who knows at this stage?). either way square win. any potential backlash from fanboys regarding backing the PS3 will be minimal....when FF13 is released they will still get it on whatever platform they want.osan0

The problem is their backing is half-arsed. The only thing PS3 is getting is FF13 and now it's day/date with X360's version. All their other games that are coming out are exclusive or timed exclusive to X360.

You really consider that "backing" the PS3? If you take out FF13 they seem to be almost a 1st party publisher for MS by default.

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That's a whole different discussion. I think with time multiplat will be pretty much standard when speaking of 3rd party games, The only exclusives we'll see will be 1st and 2nd party. Caused by the higher cost of game development nowadays. There's nothing wrong with games going multiplat though IMO. I may prefer the PS3, but I personally don't care and wasn't surprised by FF going multiplat. What does surprise me is the exclusives for 360 SE is developing. If MS did pay for it it's understandable, but if they didn't I think it's a very strange move.

NielsNL

I think I read somewhere that S-E don't want a clear winner or loser.

PS3: FFvXIII, FFXIII, Last remnant

XBOX 360: FFXIII, Last remnant, Star Ocean 4

Yes they have exclusive games on the 360 but they also have them on the PS3.


I wasn't talking about S-E when I said that it would help JRPG devs but smaller devs like NIS, Vanillaware and Atlus. These companies could afford to have a little more success. The only drawback in having the games multiplat is that the games can never enhance the games according to their respective consoles power and they will look the same on both consoles but these games never pushes a consoles limit so it doesn't matter here.
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#461 jknight5422
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

That post was written by me over 6 months ago today. I even know who I was talking to, Teuf. Anyway, sometimes corporate executives begin to lose touch with reality. I think the average person, not only myself probably has a better grounding than most MBAs out there today.

AmyMizuno

You are aware that I have multiple accounts on GameSpot Amy, aren't you? If you're talking to almost anyone on GS, there's a damn good chance you're talking to me. That's how I know when people are lying, when they say one thing to "subrosian" and another thing to __________ .

Bottom line, I don't feel you're qualified to contest the decision of people who've been doing this job longer than you claim to be alive. It's one thing if you don't *agree* with the decision on moral principle, fine, but to call it a bad business decision is simply absurd.

Now you're using FUD, and yourself as a not very convincing argument. I'm not buying it, and no one else is either.

I think we're probably all aware by now that you're not taking your own statements seriously at this point.

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#462 eklineage
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[QUOTE="eklineage"]

SE says that they will treat all consoles fairly if my memory serves me right. We'll just see how this goes.

darthogre

No I believe the quote was more they didn't want to give Sony a big advantage over everyone else so they were spreading the weatlh........this was in response to people questioning why they went X360 exclusive and timed exclusive with a lot of their games recently.

Actually that statement doesn't really make any sense now.......everyone thought X360 was being favored because PS3 had FF13 exclusive. Now that it doesn't, it seems to me X360 is the one console that has a super advantage over the other......which is exactly what they said they were trying to avoid lol. $$$ talks I guess.

meh, as long as i get vesperia and so4 in the end, im a happy man. I've played every other rpg out for 360 so far with my cousin's 360. The only things im in the 360 atm is just those 2 games. The rest is ps3 i guess. What can i say, i like all 3 consoles lol.

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#463 jknight5422
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The fact of the matter is, I am right a majority of the time. When I have a hunch about something, it is generally correct, and you can look at my track record to see how often I am right. My own track record can be used to support my assertions. That's why I don't always need facts, although facts are nice.

AmyMizuno

Sheesh. Thanks for wasting my time with your joke thread!!

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#464 istreakforfood
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I think we're probably all aware by now that you're not taking your own statements seriously at this point.

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Keep reading it gets better page by page.

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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

That's a whole different discussion. I think with time multiplat will be pretty much standard when speaking of 3rd party games, The only exclusives we'll see will be 1st and 2nd party. Caused by the higher cost of game development nowadays. There's nothing wrong with games going multiplat though IMO. I may prefer the PS3, but I personally don't care and wasn't surprised by FF going multiplat. What does surprise me is the exclusives for 360 SE is developing. If MS did pay for it it's understandable, but if they didn't I think it's a very strange move.

JLF1


I think I read somewhere that S-E don't want a clear winner or loser.

PS3: FFvXIII, FFXIII, Last remnant

XBOX 360: FFXIII, Last remnant, Star Ocean 4

Yes they have exclusive games on the 360 but they also have them on the PS3.


I wasn't talking about S-E when I said that it would help JRPG devs but smaller devs like NIS, Vanillaware and Atlus. These companies could afford to have a little more success. The only drawback in having the games multiplat is that the games can never enhance the games according to their respective consoles power and they will look the same on both consoles but these games never pushes a consoles limit so it doesn't matter here.

That's something I also fear. Although if one console turns out to have more potential then the other, I guess the latter will get the downgraded ports while the former gets the optimised version of the game.

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I think I read somewhere that S-E don't want a clear winner or loser.

PS3: FFvXIII (this is not going to be exclusive), FFXIII, Last remnant (gets it much later)

XBOX 360: FFXIII, Last remnant (timed exclusive), Star Ocean 4, Infinite Undiscovery (exclusive)

Yes they have exclusive games on the 360 but they also have them on the PS3.


JLF1

I updated your list for you. My feeling is FFvs will be multiplat so I'm putting it in X360's corner. It's a guess but jesus they have all the other games so why wouldn't they release it on the X360 too? You really feel comfortable saying VS will be exclusive to PS3?

So there you have it, 2 day/date releases, 1 timed exclusive, and 2 exclusive titles is what X360 will have from them. Sony will have 2 day/date releases and they will get one game MUCH later than the X360 so it's not even worth mentioning.

You think SE is not favoring one over the other? Who is the clear winner and loser here? Be honest.

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#467 jknight5422
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[QUOTE="jknight5422"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

For RPG's? Sales have shown us that RPG sales at lackluster at best for the install base on the 360 and I doubt FFXIII will radically change that. I still expect good sales, but nothing compared to the PS3 even in America.

Let it be known my crystal ball can see all!

st1ka

JRPGs on the 360 is breaking the stereotype that a JRPG must be enjoyed on a Japanese console. It's a start. Perhaps this is the shape of things to come.

i love your sig

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]
I think I read somewhere that S-E don't want a clear winner or loser.

PS3: FFvXIII (this is not going to be exclusive), FFXIII, Last remnant (gets it much later)

XBOX 360: FFXIII, Last remnant (timed exclusive), Star Ocean 4, Infinite Undiscovery (exclusive)

Yes they have exclusive games on the 360 but they also have them on the PS3.


darthogre

I updated your list for you. My feeling is FFvs will be multiplat so I'm putting it in X360's corner. It's a guess but jesus they have all the other games so why wouldn't they release it on the X360 too? You really feel comfortable saying VS will be exclusive to PS3?

So there you have it, 2 day/date releases, 1 timed exclusive, and 2 exclusive titles is what X360 will have from them. Sony will have 2 day/date releases and they will get one game MUCH later than the X360 so it's not even worth mentioning.

You think SE is not favoring one over the other? Who is the clear winner and loser here? Be honest.

I still think MS must have paid for this, I see no other explanation.

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they will get more sales leading to more cash made.

how is that a mistake for a company??

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#470 JLF1
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That's something I also fear. Although if one console turns out to have more potential then the other, I guess the latter will get the downgraded ports while the former gets the optimised version of the game.

NielsNL

That's why I stated that this doesn't matter for most JRPGs as they don't even begin to push a consoles power.
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
I think I read somewhere that S-E don't want a clear winner or loser.

PS3: FFvXIII (this is not going to be exclusive), FFXIII, Last remnant (gets it much later)

XBOX 360: FFXIII, Last remnant (timed exclusive), Star Ocean 4, Infinite Undiscovery (exclusive)

Yes they have exclusive games on the 360 but they also have them on the PS3.


NielsNL

I updated your list for you. My feeling is FFvs will be multiplat so I'm putting it in X360's corner. It's a guess but jesus they have all the other games so why wouldn't they release it on the X360 too? You really feel comfortable saying VS will be exclusive to PS3?

So there you have it, 2 day/date releases, 1 timed exclusive, and 2 exclusive titles is what X360 will have from them. Sony will have 2 day/date releases and they will get one game MUCH later than the X360 so it's not even worth mentioning.

You think SE is not favoring one over the other? Who is the clear winner and loser here? Be honest.

I still think MS must have paid for this, I see no other explanation.

probably

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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

That's something I also fear. Although if one console turns out to have more potential then the other, I guess the latter will get the downgraded ports while the former gets the optimised version of the game.

JLF1


That's why I stated that this doesn't matter for most JRPGs as they don't even begin to push a consoles power.

Good point there.

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[QUOTE="osan0"]there also backing the PS3 (and possibly the PC soon....who knows at this stage?). either way square win. any potential backlash from fanboys regarding backing the PS3 will be minimal....when FF13 is released they will still get it on whatever platform they want.darthogre

The problem is their backing is half-arsed. The only thing PS3 is getting is FF13 and now it's day/date with X360's version. All their other games that are coming out are exclusive or timed exclusive to X360.

You really consider that "backing" the PS3? If you take out FF13 they seem to be almost a 1st party publisher for MS by default.

isnt the PS3 also getting 13 versus or something? and dont be surprised if square decide to put those 360 games on the PS3 aswel in the future, especially if it gets more NPDs like it has this month.

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they will get more sales leading to more cash made.

how is that a mistake for a company??

daveg1

I think the question of FF13 should be dropped. The big question is why is Square favoring X360 with the rest of their titles?

If as you say "they will get more sales leading to more cash made" for releasing FF13 day/date on X360, WHY would they then give MS two exclusives and one timed exclusive? This is what does not make ANY SENSE to me. It's why the only reasonable explanation is MS paid them for this and if that's the case you can drop the whole "they are doing this for extra sales".....no they are being paid by MS to do it, plain and simple. If that's not the case then your point proves how they are making HUGE mistakes right now by not releasing PS3 titles day/date with X360 ones.

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Let me take a guess at how this whole thing has gone so far....

MS is teh Debbil and they used thier evil Debbil money to corrupt those fine people at Squeenix.

Now sign my petition!!!!!!

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[QUOTE="daveg1"]

they will get more sales leading to more cash made.

how is that a mistake for a company??

darthogre

I think the question of FF13 should be dropped. The big question is why is Square favoring X360 with the rest of their titles?

If as you say "they will get more sales leading to more cash made" for releasing FF13 day/date on X360, WHY would they then give MS two exclusives and one timed exclusive? This is what does not make ANY SENSE to me. It's why the only reasonable explanation is MS paid them for this and if that's the case you can drop the whole "they are doing this for extra sales".....no they are being paid by MS to do it, plain and simple. If that's not the case then your point proves how they are making HUGE mistakes right now by not releasing PS3 titles day/date with X360 ones.

Pretty obvious.

Press shift + 4 on your keyboard and you know why MS is favoured.

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#477 NielsNL
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Let me take a guess at how this whole thing has gone so far....

MS is teh Debbil and they used thier evil Debbil money to corrupt those fine people at Squeenix.

Now sign my petition!!!!!!

Riverwolf007

Nothing wrong with choosing that strategy, but they did pay.

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#478 daveg1
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[QUOTE="daveg1"]

they will get more sales leading to more cash made.

how is that a mistake for a company??

darthogre

I think the question of FF13 should be dropped. The big question is why is Square favoring X360 with the rest of their titles?

If as you say "they will get more sales leading to more cash made" for releasing FF13 day/date on X360, WHY would they then give MS two exclusives and one timed exclusive? This is what does not make ANY SENSE to me. It's why the only reasonable explanation is MS paid them for this and if that's the case you can drop the whole "they are doing this for extra sales".....no they are being paid by MS to do it, plain and simple. If that's not the case then your point proves how they are making HUGE mistakes right now by not releasing PS3 titles day/date with X360 ones.

are they making more cash doing this?
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="osan0"]there also backing the PS3 (and possibly the PC soon....who knows at this stage?). either way square win. any potential backlash from fanboys regarding backing the PS3 will be minimal....when FF13 is released they will still get it on whatever platform they want.osan0

The problem is their backing is half-arsed. The only thing PS3 is getting is FF13 and now it's day/date with X360's version. All their other games that are coming out are exclusive or timed exclusive to X360.

You really consider that "backing" the PS3? If you take out FF13 they seem to be almost a 1st party publisher for MS by default.

isnt the PS3 also getting 13 versus or something? and dont be surprised if square decide to put those 360 games on the PS3 aswel in the future, especially if it gets more NPDs like it has this month.

Yes VS is going to the PS3 supposedly......but it's a rather sure bet X360 is going to get it as well.

That's all nice and good that they will EVENTUALLY put them on the PS3, the larger question you should be asking then is why exactly are they not going day and date like FF13? Again, do you consider that backing the PS3? You say the damage will be minimal but that's only because ALL there other games are not even releasing on the PS3 so how could it damage them lol.

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I updated your list for you. My feeling is FFvs will be multiplat so I'm putting it in X360's corner. It's a guess but jesus they have all the other games so why wouldn't they release it on the X360 too? You really feel comfortable saying VS will be exclusive to PS3?

So there you have it, 2 day/date releases, 1 timed exclusive, and 2 exclusive titles is what X360 will have from them. Sony will have 2 day/date releases and they will get one game MUCH later than the X360 so it's not even worth mentioning.

You think SE is not favoring one over the other? Who is the clear winner and loser here? Be honest.

darthogre


1: Frankly I don't care. I only have PS3 so if the game turn up on the 360 it won't bother me.

2: There is aslo a possibility that SO4 also will be on the PS3. In the MS press conference S-E clearly said that Last remnant was time exclusive and Infinite Undiscovery will be exclusive but they never said anything about SO4 and it never said on the screen that the will be exclusive. I'm not saying it will be on the PS3 after some time all I'm saying is that it might have a chance of coming to the PS3.

3: I don't really care if S-E ends up exclusive to the 360 because they are one of the most overrated devs out there and NO I'm not saying that because FFXIII ended up being mutliplat. Read my posting history and you will See me state several times that I think Atlus is much better.
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#481 darthogre
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[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="daveg1"]

they will get more sales leading to more cash made.

how is that a mistake for a company??

daveg1

I think the question of FF13 should be dropped. The big question is why is Square favoring X360 with the rest of their titles?

If as you say "they will get more sales leading to more cash made" for releasing FF13 day/date on X360, WHY would they then give MS two exclusives and one timed exclusive? This is what does not make ANY SENSE to me. It's why the only reasonable explanation is MS paid them for this and if that's the case you can drop the whole "they are doing this for extra sales".....no they are being paid by MS to do it, plain and simple. If that's not the case then your point proves how they are making HUGE mistakes right now by not releasing PS3 titles day/date with X360 ones.

are they making more cash doing this?

That's what no one knows.......Square says things like "we don't want to favor one console over the other" but their actions speak much louder than their words. I would hope as a business they are making more upfront cash with MS for doing this, if not that is an idiotic decision to do what they are doing.

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#482 jknight5422
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Just like GTA, FFXIII won't do anything for either console.

It's not really a mistake for SE though. They'll probably be fine, even though the userbases of both consoles won't be that high.

AmyMizuno

I blame the recession, and President Bush. Why does this generation of consoles and games ****? Now you know. Maybe if the dollar was a little stronger when converting into Yen, Sony wouldn't have had to charge $599 for the original PS3. Maybe if the United States didn't have trillions of dollars in debt, the dollar would actually still be worth something.

Hmmm...so now it's the USA & Dumbya's fault for FF13 going to the 360? That's anecdotal...at best.

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#483 JLF1
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That's what no one knows.......Square says things like "we don't want to favor one console over the other" but their actions speakmuch louder than their words. I would hope as a business they are making more upfront cash with MS for doing this, if not that is an idiotic decision to do what they are doing.

darthogre

Yes their actions speak that they favor the DS.
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Aww. I missed this thread :( Final Fantasy sells different than most other franchises. For some reason, it's way more popular than it should be.
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#485 daveg1
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[QUOTE="daveg1"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="daveg1"]

they will get more sales leading to more cash made.

how is that a mistake for a company??

darthogre

I think the question of FF13 should be dropped. The big question is why is Square favoring X360 with the rest of their titles?

If as you say "they will get more sales leading to more cash made" for releasing FF13 day/date on X360, WHY would they then give MS two exclusives and one timed exclusive? This is what does not make ANY SENSE to me. It's why the only reasonable explanation is MS paid them for this and if that's the case you can drop the whole "they are doing this for extra sales".....no they are being paid by MS to do it, plain and simple. If that's not the case then your point proves how they are making HUGE mistakes right now by not releasing PS3 titles day/date with X360 ones.

are they making more cash doing this?

That's what no one knows.......Square says things like "we don't want to favor one console over the other" but their actions speak much louder than their words. I would hope as a business they are making more upfront cash with MS for doing this, if not that is an idiotic decision to do what they are doing.

well i think its safe to say ms gave them a **** load of cash for this game and the other's plus sales from the games from us so i think its obviously being thought as a good business move by square enix.
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#486 jknight5422
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Every time u say your right about something,you usually turn out to be wrong and ur threads get debunked like a Mac truck dumping trash at a junk yard.

For Example this.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]They are giving the 360 lots of love, while ignoring the PS3-- going against the market trends and against the will of their own investors.Unforgiven2870
You have no clue what ur talking about if you watched this video.LINK! You will come to find out that Sony knew FFXIII was going to the 360 Oh and to top it off They are not ignoring the PS3.

its simple Square Enix going multiplat 1 game for 2 big gaming system's ='s double the $$$$$.

LOL! That's the best analogy I've seen yet. However, when you read that someone says they don't need facts to win an argument, I think that's Amy's way of saying that everything she is talking about is just an act. Ie., trolling or trying to annoy people. Hopefully she hasn't been suspended for 24 hours yet.

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#487 darthogre
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]

That's what no one knows.......Square says things like "we don't want to favor one console over the other" but their actions speakmuch louder than their words. I would hope as a business they are making more upfront cash with MS for doing this, if not that is an idiotic decision to do what they are doing.

JLF1


Yes their actions speak that they favor the DS.

The cost to make a DS game is almost nothing compared to making a PS3 or X360 game.

That's why it's such a big deal when they decide to go exclusive or even timed exclusive with one of the consoles.

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I think its a good idea that FF13 is on both 360 and OS3, if there is one game that can show the difference between the PS3 nad 360 it's FF13. The game currently is only in production for the Japanese version of FF13 and the 360 version is a way off. If the game ends up being on 3 discs for the 360 I will laugh out loud :lol: Anyway FF13 is bound to sell double if not triple the amount on PS3 compared to 360 because of Japan, FF titles always sell half of the total amount made in Japan.
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#489 vashkey
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The only reason PS3 sales have gone up recently is MGS4. Give it a month or two and it'll be back down to regulatr levels.

GTA IV sold less on the PS3, so I don't know why your using it as an excuse as to why FFXIII should be exclusive to the PS3.

Why did you even bother displaying the sales for Final Fantasy XI on the 360? Why would it sell well? It's a ported PS2 game that requires you to pay an additional monthly fee on top of the live fee, it was destined to fail.

The sales info for Blue Dragon hasn't been updated in ages but 500 k is not bad. Especaily considering it's a new ip and it's not really the type of RPG that appeals to the US... and the fact it wasnt very good.
Enchanted arms sold poorly on both platforms

750 k is good. Nearly a million and is also very good for a new IP.

And Eternal Sonata sold poorly on both platforms.

Wheres the good selling PS3 JRPGS, huh? Why didn't you post those? Oh, wait, that right!!! there are none.

But your sales comparisons between Devil May Cry on the PS3 and the 360 prove why Final Fantasy Will beo n the 360. It'll sell. The PS3 version will likely sell a little more, but the 360 version will sell similar numbers andwhich is obviously enough to make the port worth it.

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[QUOTE="Nolan16"]i don't really understand how that could be a mistake having a multi plat as big as FF i mean 70% of north american owns a 360 over PS3.AmyMizuno

This is going against market trends.

Square-Enix is:

1) Snubbing their nose in their third largest investor, Sony. If Sony wanted to harm Square Enix, they are in a position to do so by undervaluing their stock. This would be a bigger hit to Square-Enix than would be a bank failure.

2) Spending money on exclusive titles on the 360, which will not well well and will end up costing more money to make and port than they will return.

They already lost Dragon Quest, the biggest game series in Japan, to Nintendo. If they were going to do somthing like you said, they'd have done it by now.

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#491 adman66
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you logic is flawed,

1st square enix does not care about sony, they will sell more games being multiplat then they would if it was exclusive, this is good for them bad for sony because they will not sell as much ps3 as if it was exclusive,

2nd, your numbers mean nothing, the only numbers that square enix is concerened with is the current number of consoles sold, and guess what there are more 360s then ps3s,

3rd. saying that jrpg bombed on 360 is true but you need to realize that all the games you showed were new ips that noone really heard about or seen before so of course they aren't going to sell alot since there was not a lot of advertisement(well LO there was) or hype outside form the non casuals, now for ff11, this was a late port, you cant count this, late port 90% of time dont sell well. that being said, i can guarentee you that if square put LO or any of thoses games mentioned on a disk and put ffXIII on the cover it would sell over 4 million on 360.

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#493 Adonymous
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[QUOTE="Nolan16"]i don't really understand how that could be a mistake having a multi plat as big as FF i mean 70% of north american owns a 360 over PS3.AmyMizuno

This is going against market trends.

Square-Enix is:

1) Snubbing their nose in their third largest investor, Sony. If Sony wanted to harm Square Enix, they are in a position to do so by undervaluing their stock. This would be a bigger hit to Square-Enix than would be a bank failure.

2) Spending money on exclusive titles on the 360, which will not well well and will end up costing more money to make and port than they will return.

Ohh amy you are so silly.

If Sony wanted to do harm to SE, and actually did Undervalue their stock...who do you think would swoop in for the save and get all major franchises? Hmm...Microsoft?...EA Perhaps?...hmm...a japanesse Developer such as Capcom?

This would hurt Sony infinatley more times then SE.

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#494 clone01
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[QUOTE="f50p90"]multiplat means more sales for them any way you spin it. If you are talking about Star Ocean 4 or Infinite Undiscovery (thats Tri Ace though). Those are destined for low salesAmyMizuno
There's one flaw in your argument. Their third largest investor Sony is not very happy right now. Eventually, Yuichi Wada will have to answer to his investors. They are his boss.

so you think Sony will pull investment on one of its largest producing clients? doubtful.

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#495 espoac
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I don't think the issue is FXIII going multiplat, that's makes perfect sense(hell, with their stock in SE and FFXIII still PS3-exclusive in Japan Sony may even end up making even more money off of a multiplat FFXIII than a PS3-exclusive one), rather it's SO4, LR and IU being 360-exclusive(for at least the time being) that's confusing. However, not that I've read all 25 pages of this thread, maybe people are ignoring Microsoft's most notorious behaviors. It's possible that MS simply payed SE for the exclusives in their ever-futile attempts to win over the Japanese. I really don't see any other explanation.
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#496 inertk
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I see FFXIII selling more on the PS3 than the 360. Slightly more.

The rest of the exclusive games they've given to the 360 don't make much sense to me, especially as they did say they're not favouring any console -- why aren't the other games multiplatform too. Confusing, especially since they won't sell as great in Japan.

Obvious solution here is just to put it all on the Wii.

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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]This is good... :) Lots of fun, Amy brings light into SW. Really it's always so boring, mundane and too calm, she stirs up a storm and it's great. :D jknight5422

It's nice to see she has a cheerleading squad. But honestly, it's not really funny. It's kind of annoying & the next time she poses a thought, I certainly will not waste 2-3 paragraphs replying to it since we all know its nothing but wankage.

I think it's incredibly sad that she has cheerleaders and that people actually support her. That support more than likely stems from the fact she claims to be a female on a gaming forum and nothing else
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The only reason PS3 sales have gone up recently is MGS4. Give it a month or two and it'll be back down to regulatr levels.

GTA IV sold less on the PS3, so I don't know why your using it as an excuse as to why FFXIII should be exclusive to the PS3.

Why did you even bother displaying the sales for Final Fantasy XI on the 360? Why would it sell well? It's a ported PS2 game that requires you to pay an additional monthly fee on top of the live fee, it was destined to fail.

The sales info for Blue Dragon hasn't been updated in ages but 500 k is not bad. Especaily considering it's a new ip and it's not really the type of RPG that appeals to the US... and the fact it wasnt very good.
Enchanted arms sold poorly on both platforms

750 k is good. Nearly a million and is also very good for a new IP.

And Eternal Sonata sold poorly on both platforms.

Wheres the good selling PS3 JRPGS, huh? Why didn't you post those? Oh, wait, that right!!! there are none.

But your sales comparisons between Devil May Cry on the PS3 and the 360 prove why Final Fantasy Will beo n the 360. It'll sell. The PS3 version will likely sell a little more, but the 360 version will sell similar numbers andwhich is obviously enough to make the port worth it.

vashkey

lol wut? eternal sonata came out for ps3 already?

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[QUOTE="jknight5422"]

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]This is good... :) Lots of fun, Amy brings light into SW. Really it's always so boring, mundane and too calm, she stirs up a storm and it's great. :D flatline711

It's nice to see she has a cheerleading squad. But honestly, it's not really funny. It's kind of annoying & the next time she poses a thought, I certainly will not waste 2-3 paragraphs replying to it since we all know its nothing but wankage.

I think it's incredibly sad that she has cheerleaders and that people actually support her. That support more than likely stems from the fact she claims to be a female on a gaming forum and nothing else

LOL.

Honestly I'd prefer it if all her topics where just bright green, i don't often read the authors name and I'd rather skip right over her dribble.